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On May 19 2011 04:03 lixlix wrote:
part of the reason for Loras' physique in the series being so undeveloped is probably because in the books hes described as being "slender as a reed"and "Out of his armor, Ser Loras Tyrell looked even younger than his sixteen years"
Ding ding. winner.
I don't get why people expected him to be some big burly man.
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On May 19 2011 11:28 GwSC wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2011 04:03 lixlix wrote:
part of the reason for Loras' physique in the series being so undeveloped is probably because in the books hes described as being "slender as a reed"and "Out of his armor, Ser Loras Tyrell looked even younger than his sixteen years" Ding ding. winner. I don't get why people expected him to be some big burly man.
Bruce Lee can be described as "slender as a reed" too. Even logic in the books supports the fact that Loras' actor's physique was a mess up: + Show Spoiler +Can't exactly quote it but there's a part in the books where it was noted that all the swordplay done by Grenn showed in his physique. Unless Loras practiced for an hour a day tops and relied on natural talent to get him by he should be either cut like a rock or have some muscle on him.
Personally I wasn't looking for some big burly man, but I would've thought that they'd pick someone with the physique of someone who engages in moderate physical activity on a regular basis.
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I also suspect that Loras' casting was meant to contrast the softness of the knights of the summer against the more battle-hardened Northerners.
+ Show Spoiler +When was the last time the southern armies even fought in a war? Mace Tyrell pretty much surrendered his forces without a fight in Robert's rebellion, and I doubt that they fought much at all in Balon Greyjoy's rebellion.
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On May 19 2011 11:28 GwSC wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2011 04:03 lixlix wrote:
part of the reason for Loras' physique in the series being so undeveloped is probably because in the books hes described as being "slender as a reed"and "Out of his armor, Ser Loras Tyrell looked even younger than his sixteen years" Ding ding. winner. I don't get why people expected him to be some big burly man.
You don't have to be big and burly to not look like you would get wrecked by Idra in an arm wrestle.
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On May 19 2011 11:36 Robstickle wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2011 11:28 GwSC wrote:On May 19 2011 04:03 lixlix wrote:
part of the reason for Loras' physique in the series being so undeveloped is probably because in the books hes described as being "slender as a reed"and "Out of his armor, Ser Loras Tyrell looked even younger than his sixteen years" Ding ding. winner. I don't get why people expected him to be some big burly man. You don't have to be big and burly to not look like you would get wrecked by Idra in an arm wrestle.
To be fair, the only person who looks like they may be wrecked by IdrA in an arm wrestle from the GoT cast is probably Sansa. Maybe Sweetrobin as well.
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On May 19 2011 11:38 tyCe wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2011 11:36 Robstickle wrote:On May 19 2011 11:28 GwSC wrote:On May 19 2011 04:03 lixlix wrote:
part of the reason for Loras' physique in the series being so undeveloped is probably because in the books hes described as being "slender as a reed"and "Out of his armor, Ser Loras Tyrell looked even younger than his sixteen years" Ding ding. winner. I don't get why people expected him to be some big burly man. You don't have to be big and burly to not look like you would get wrecked by Idra in an arm wrestle. To be fair, the only person who looks like they may be wrecked by IdrA in an arm wrestle from the GoT cast is probably Sansa. Maybe Sweetrobin as well.
Idra would've made a great Viserys.
You don't want to wake the Gracken, do you?
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Artistic license, maybe? So!
How about Tyrion doing pretty much the only heroic thing in the series so far by saving Catelyn instead of trying to escape when he had the chance? Also Catelyn's sister is pretty much as batshit crazy as I expected.
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I ordered the books from Amazon like 6 weeks ago and they still havent come... stupid back order, I want to read the books!
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On May 18 2011 23:57 kerpal wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2011 23:47 PlaGuE_R wrote:On May 18 2011 23:33 -Archangel- wrote:On May 18 2011 22:13 PlaGuE_R wrote:On May 18 2011 22:06 -Archangel- wrote:On May 18 2011 21:37 Numy wrote:On May 18 2011 21:15 -Archangel- wrote:
Come on people. Loras said he practices each day with a sword. I practiced with a stick in my martial arts class 3 times per week and after a few months I could feel the difference and my arms looked way more buff then Loras although still not big. They fucked up with this and no false logic will save it. If you really care that much about it then I don't think you should continue to watch series. It's for enjoyment sake. Nitpicking that hardcore will just make everything not enjoyable no matter the content. No, I do not care but I do care when people try to apply false logic to push their point or story forward. This part with Loras was an obvious mistake (and there are more in the series) but considering + Show Spoiler [minor spoiler from Book 1] +Loras will probably not appear in this season again it was too much to ask the actor to spend some weeks/months in a gym so he can better look the part to only show up for 3 minutes in the whole season. ....go look at Bruce Lee... size of your arms =/= strength. I've seen smaller and thinner people to the guy who plays Loras be about 10x more powerful then massive Gregor like guys. So please don't try and call everything false logic. I've seen a 5 foot, super thin Thai guy kick a 6'3 ultra ripped Englishman in pads (the ones you hold for kicking practice) and make him stumble back 2 feet, when he wasnt even putting much force in his kick! seen it with my own eyes! Lol you pick Bruce Lee of all the people. He has a really strong sinewy body. Loras not even close to that. And you second example where you compare a martial artist focusing all his forward momentum into a kick and pushing someone away (who is at that point just a bag of force) to people fighting with swords and the effect of constant daily practice with piece of metal and the effect of that on your body, is a big FAIL. If want to go by these stupid descriptions that mean nothing, I seen with my own eyes a guy with a huge belly do a flying kick. But you know what, this guy was training martial arts for like 20 years and had 3x the muscle of Loras actor although he was not buff. no dude, i'm saying size doesnt mean shit all. go look at Samurai and see if u find massive body builder types there. and the martial artist wasnt focusing much energy to push back another martial artist that was double his size. It's not about how big you are, it's how you use those muscles. There's a martial arts theory that people have red and white muscles with red being big bodybuilder types that deliver burst power and white being less strength but more endurance and then pink type which is as powerful as red but as endurant as white and not bulky. anyways, size doesn't matter, especially if the entire force used is provided by a horse and not by you ie jousting. go watch Ong Bak and Tom Yum Goong and see how smaller = stronger in some cases yeah, plus i'm skinny as a rake and i'd kick all your asses......
Rofl all you guys need to go watch some MMA. There is a reason they have weightclasses.
In 99% of cases big does = better.
The only times it doesnt is if the smaller guy is way better trained, and the big guy is untrained.
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On May 19 2011 12:17 Rarak wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2011 23:57 kerpal wrote:On May 18 2011 23:47 PlaGuE_R wrote:On May 18 2011 23:33 -Archangel- wrote:On May 18 2011 22:13 PlaGuE_R wrote:On May 18 2011 22:06 -Archangel- wrote:On May 18 2011 21:37 Numy wrote:On May 18 2011 21:15 -Archangel- wrote:
Come on people. Loras said he practices each day with a sword. I practiced with a stick in my martial arts class 3 times per week and after a few months I could feel the difference and my arms looked way more buff then Loras although still not big. They fucked up with this and no false logic will save it. If you really care that much about it then I don't think you should continue to watch series. It's for enjoyment sake. Nitpicking that hardcore will just make everything not enjoyable no matter the content. No, I do not care but I do care when people try to apply false logic to push their point or story forward. This part with Loras was an obvious mistake (and there are more in the series) but considering + Show Spoiler [minor spoiler from Book 1] +Loras will probably not appear in this season again it was too much to ask the actor to spend some weeks/months in a gym so he can better look the part to only show up for 3 minutes in the whole season. ....go look at Bruce Lee... size of your arms =/= strength. I've seen smaller and thinner people to the guy who plays Loras be about 10x more powerful then massive Gregor like guys. So please don't try and call everything false logic. I've seen a 5 foot, super thin Thai guy kick a 6'3 ultra ripped Englishman in pads (the ones you hold for kicking practice) and make him stumble back 2 feet, when he wasnt even putting much force in his kick! seen it with my own eyes! Lol you pick Bruce Lee of all the people. He has a really strong sinewy body. Loras not even close to that. And you second example where you compare a martial artist focusing all his forward momentum into a kick and pushing someone away (who is at that point just a bag of force) to people fighting with swords and the effect of constant daily practice with piece of metal and the effect of that on your body, is a big FAIL. If want to go by these stupid descriptions that mean nothing, I seen with my own eyes a guy with a huge belly do a flying kick. But you know what, this guy was training martial arts for like 20 years and had 3x the muscle of Loras actor although he was not buff. no dude, i'm saying size doesnt mean shit all. go look at Samurai and see if u find massive body builder types there. and the martial artist wasnt focusing much energy to push back another martial artist that was double his size. It's not about how big you are, it's how you use those muscles. There's a martial arts theory that people have red and white muscles with red being big bodybuilder types that deliver burst power and white being less strength but more endurance and then pink type which is as powerful as red but as endurant as white and not bulky. anyways, size doesn't matter, especially if the entire force used is provided by a horse and not by you ie jousting. go watch Ong Bak and Tom Yum Goong and see how smaller = stronger in some cases yeah, plus i'm skinny as a rake and i'd kick all your asses...... Rofl all you guys need to go watch some MMA. There is a reason they have weightclasses. In 99% of cases big does = better. The only times it doesnt is if the smaller guy is way better trained, and the big guy is untrained.
THis is pretty much true. Two guys of equal training and skill... THe big guy would almost always win as much as you want to argue about it. Of course not everyone is of the same skill and training, so im not suggesting a little guy couldnt beat the big guy. But generally bigger = stronger = better. (for fighting)
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On May 19 2011 12:17 Rarak wrote:
Rofl all you guys need to go watch some MMA. There is a reason they have weightclasses.
In 99% of cases big does = better.
The only times it doesnt is if the smaller guy is way better trained, and the big guy is untrained.
That may be an accurate percentage for unarmed fighting but I imagine it goes down quite a bit for armed fighting, though still favoring the stronger.
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Tyler speaks the truth. When your fighting with blades and lances, I imagine speed and agility is almost as important as strength.
It doesn't take a lot of force to damage humans, we're pretty fragile.
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On May 19 2011 12:17 Rarak wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2011 23:57 kerpal wrote:On May 18 2011 23:47 PlaGuE_R wrote:On May 18 2011 23:33 -Archangel- wrote:On May 18 2011 22:13 PlaGuE_R wrote:On May 18 2011 22:06 -Archangel- wrote:On May 18 2011 21:37 Numy wrote:On May 18 2011 21:15 -Archangel- wrote:
Come on people. Loras said he practices each day with a sword. I practiced with a stick in my martial arts class 3 times per week and after a few months I could feel the difference and my arms looked way more buff then Loras although still not big. They fucked up with this and no false logic will save it. If you really care that much about it then I don't think you should continue to watch series. It's for enjoyment sake. Nitpicking that hardcore will just make everything not enjoyable no matter the content. No, I do not care but I do care when people try to apply false logic to push their point or story forward. This part with Loras was an obvious mistake (and there are more in the series) but considering + Show Spoiler [minor spoiler from Book 1] +Loras will probably not appear in this season again it was too much to ask the actor to spend some weeks/months in a gym so he can better look the part to only show up for 3 minutes in the whole season. ....go look at Bruce Lee... size of your arms =/= strength. I've seen smaller and thinner people to the guy who plays Loras be about 10x more powerful then massive Gregor like guys. So please don't try and call everything false logic. I've seen a 5 foot, super thin Thai guy kick a 6'3 ultra ripped Englishman in pads (the ones you hold for kicking practice) and make him stumble back 2 feet, when he wasnt even putting much force in his kick! seen it with my own eyes! Lol you pick Bruce Lee of all the people. He has a really strong sinewy body. Loras not even close to that. And you second example where you compare a martial artist focusing all his forward momentum into a kick and pushing someone away (who is at that point just a bag of force) to people fighting with swords and the effect of constant daily practice with piece of metal and the effect of that on your body, is a big FAIL. If want to go by these stupid descriptions that mean nothing, I seen with my own eyes a guy with a huge belly do a flying kick. But you know what, this guy was training martial arts for like 20 years and had 3x the muscle of Loras actor although he was not buff. no dude, i'm saying size doesnt mean shit all. go look at Samurai and see if u find massive body builder types there. and the martial artist wasnt focusing much energy to push back another martial artist that was double his size. It's not about how big you are, it's how you use those muscles. There's a martial arts theory that people have red and white muscles with red being big bodybuilder types that deliver burst power and white being less strength but more endurance and then pink type which is as powerful as red but as endurant as white and not bulky. anyways, size doesn't matter, especially if the entire force used is provided by a horse and not by you ie jousting. go watch Ong Bak and Tom Yum Goong and see how smaller = stronger in some cases yeah, plus i'm skinny as a rake and i'd kick all your asses...... Rofl all you guys need to go watch some MMA. There is a reason they have weightclasses. In 99% of cases big does = better. The only times it doesnt is if the smaller guy is way better trained, and the big guy is untrained.
Obviously never saw Mortal Kombat 
Gah i can't wait for sundays now >.> i wish i could get all 10 episodes already!!
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On May 19 2011 12:02 Sanctimonius wrote:
Artistic license, maybe? So!
How about Tyrion doing pretty much the only heroic thing in the series so far by saving Catelyn instead of trying to escape when he had the chance? Also Catelyn's sister is pretty much as batshit crazy as I expected.
She needs to be crazier.
About 20% more crazy
Edit: Her son also needs to be more crazy.
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Oh, they will have plenty of time to display their full range of batshit. I think they order it in specially.
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I love this serries.
ITS SO GOOD!
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On May 19 2011 12:09 Darpa wrote:
I ordered the books from Amazon like 6 weeks ago and they still havent come... stupid back order, I want to read the books!
I ordered mine a two weeks ago and they arrived two days later. Maybe call them up? You can also torrent the books while you wait for them since you already paid for it.
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On May 19 2011 12:17 Rarak wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2011 23:57 kerpal wrote:On May 18 2011 23:47 PlaGuE_R wrote:On May 18 2011 23:33 -Archangel- wrote:On May 18 2011 22:13 PlaGuE_R wrote:On May 18 2011 22:06 -Archangel- wrote:On May 18 2011 21:37 Numy wrote:On May 18 2011 21:15 -Archangel- wrote:
Come on people. Loras said he practices each day with a sword. I practiced with a stick in my martial arts class 3 times per week and after a few months I could feel the difference and my arms looked way more buff then Loras although still not big. They fucked up with this and no false logic will save it. If you really care that much about it then I don't think you should continue to watch series. It's for enjoyment sake. Nitpicking that hardcore will just make everything not enjoyable no matter the content. No, I do not care but I do care when people try to apply false logic to push their point or story forward. This part with Loras was an obvious mistake (and there are more in the series) but considering + Show Spoiler [minor spoiler from Book 1] +Loras will probably not appear in this season again it was too much to ask the actor to spend some weeks/months in a gym so he can better look the part to only show up for 3 minutes in the whole season. ....go look at Bruce Lee... size of your arms =/= strength. I've seen smaller and thinner people to the guy who plays Loras be about 10x more powerful then massive Gregor like guys. So please don't try and call everything false logic. I've seen a 5 foot, super thin Thai guy kick a 6'3 ultra ripped Englishman in pads (the ones you hold for kicking practice) and make him stumble back 2 feet, when he wasnt even putting much force in his kick! seen it with my own eyes! Lol you pick Bruce Lee of all the people. He has a really strong sinewy body. Loras not even close to that. And you second example where you compare a martial artist focusing all his forward momentum into a kick and pushing someone away (who is at that point just a bag of force) to people fighting with swords and the effect of constant daily practice with piece of metal and the effect of that on your body, is a big FAIL. If want to go by these stupid descriptions that mean nothing, I seen with my own eyes a guy with a huge belly do a flying kick. But you know what, this guy was training martial arts for like 20 years and had 3x the muscle of Loras actor although he was not buff. no dude, i'm saying size doesnt mean shit all. go look at Samurai and see if u find massive body builder types there. and the martial artist wasnt focusing much energy to push back another martial artist that was double his size. It's not about how big you are, it's how you use those muscles. There's a martial arts theory that people have red and white muscles with red being big bodybuilder types that deliver burst power and white being less strength but more endurance and then pink type which is as powerful as red but as endurant as white and not bulky. anyways, size doesn't matter, especially if the entire force used is provided by a horse and not by you ie jousting. go watch Ong Bak and Tom Yum Goong and see how smaller = stronger in some cases yeah, plus i'm skinny as a rake and i'd kick all your asses...... Rofl all you guys need to go watch some MMA. There is a reason they have weightclasses. In 99% of cases big does = better. The only times it doesnt is if the smaller guy is way better trained, and the big guy is untrained.
this is only true in unarmed fighting. As sonn as weapons come into play the mass of your muscles is not that important anymore. A fast and agile fighter can beat a big muscleman as soon as he gets a sword
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Hey guys, I'm re-watching them from episode 1, moving up to now (already watched once, but I'm just a bit confused at parts).
Anyways, I have a question:
Episode 1:
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A question about the beginning, when 2 of the 3 guards get shredded by the "white walkers." The third one (the one that ran), right before being executed, says "I know I should of gone back to the wall to warn them, but, I saw what I saw..." why didn't he just go back and tell them "Hey guys, two of us just got eaten alive by wolf-men, can I come back inside?" What's the point of deserting? Also, if he did so, how did he get through the wall, to be able to desert?
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On May 19 2011 16:21 FubsyGamr wrote:Hey guys, I'm re-watching them from episode 1, moving up to now (already watched once, but I'm just a bit confused at parts). Anyways, I have a question: Episode 1: + Show Spoiler +
A question about the beginning, when 2 of the 3 guards get shredded by the "white walkers." The third one (the one that ran), right before being executed, says "I know I should of gone back to the wall to warn them, but, I saw what I saw..." why didn't he just go back and tell them "Hey guys, two of us just got eaten alive by wolf-men, can I come back inside?" What's the point of deserting? Also, if he did so, how did he get through the wall, to be able to desert?
+ Show Spoiler +The wall isn't waterproof you know. Some areas are less guarded, and there are some tunnel going below it. I guess he just wanted to get away from the cold and that damned wall.
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