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-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-18 14:53:36
May 18 2011 14:53 GMT
#3141
Well Loras was not short (well all are short when compared with Mountain) he was just without muscles. And Loras was not a martial artist but a middle age knight that trained by hitting stuff with a piece of metal for hours per day. And his body didn't reflect that. He looked more like some underfed starcraft 2 player who does not like his hair cut.
Can we please stop this pointless discussion?!
kerpal
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United Kingdom2695 Posts
May 18 2011 14:57 GMT
#3142
On May 18 2011 23:47 PlaGuE_R wrote:
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On May 18 2011 23:33 -Archangel- wrote:
On May 18 2011 22:13 PlaGuE_R wrote:
On May 18 2011 22:06 -Archangel- wrote:
On May 18 2011 21:37 Numy wrote:
On May 18 2011 21:15 -Archangel- wrote:
Come on people. Loras said he practices each day with a sword. I practiced with a stick in my martial arts class 3 times per week and after a few months I could feel the difference and my arms looked way more buff then Loras although still not big. They fucked up with this and no false logic will save it.


If you really care that much about it then I don't think you should continue to watch series. It's for enjoyment sake. Nitpicking that hardcore will just make everything not enjoyable no matter the content.

No, I do not care but I do care when people try to apply false logic to push their point or story forward.
This part with Loras was an obvious mistake (and there are more in the series) but considering + Show Spoiler [minor spoiler from Book 1] +
Loras will probably not appear in this season again it was too much to ask the actor to spend some weeks/months in a gym so he can better look the part to only show up for 3 minutes in the whole season.



....go look at Bruce Lee... size of your arms =/= strength. I've seen smaller and thinner people to the guy who plays Loras be about 10x more powerful then massive Gregor like guys. So please don't try and call everything false logic.

I've seen a 5 foot, super thin Thai guy kick a 6'3 ultra ripped Englishman in pads (the ones you hold for kicking practice) and make him stumble back 2 feet, when he wasnt even putting much force in his kick! seen it with my own eyes!

Lol you pick Bruce Lee of all the people. He has a really strong sinewy body. Loras not even close to that.
And you second example where you compare a martial artist focusing all his forward momentum into a kick and pushing someone away (who is at that point just a bag of force) to people fighting with swords and the effect of constant daily practice with piece of metal and the effect of that on your body, is a big FAIL.
If want to go by these stupid descriptions that mean nothing, I seen with my own eyes a guy with a huge belly do a flying kick. But you know what, this guy was training martial arts for like 20 years and had 3x the muscle of Loras actor although he was not buff.


no dude, i'm saying size doesnt mean shit all. go look at Samurai and see if u find massive body builder types there. and the martial artist wasnt focusing much energy to push back another martial artist that was double his size. It's not about how big you are, it's how you use those muscles.

There's a martial arts theory that people have red and white muscles with red being big bodybuilder types that deliver burst power and white being less strength but more endurance and then pink type which is as powerful as red but as endurant as white and not bulky.

anyways, size doesn't matter, especially if the entire force used is provided by a horse and not by you ie jousting. go watch Ong Bak and Tom Yum Goong and see how smaller = stronger in some cases


yeah, plus i'm skinny as a rake and i'd kick all your asses......
1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-18 17:12:50
May 18 2011 16:51 GMT
#3143
Why the hell are you guys arguing about Loras's appearance? You do realize that he probably doesn't have the trainers we have today? And simple sword play does not make you Hulk Hogan.

As for the best knight, the characters all seem to agree Dayne was the best of the recent era, and Aemon probably the best since Aegon landed
Known Aliases: Tyragon, Valeric ~MSL Forever, SKT is truly the Superior KT!
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-18 17:27:59
May 18 2011 17:09 GMT
#3144
On May 18 2011 16:22 betaV1.25 wrote:
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On May 18 2011 16:03 Geo.Rion wrote:
On May 18 2011 04:58 StorkHwaiting wrote:
Gay scene was so epic hot. It was like a great big potpourried fart in the faces of all those hurly burly knightly fanboys.

idk if i'd use the word hot, but i was glad, that when the knight of flowers came to the scene i was like "gaaaaayy", and what the hell he actually was, thx Game of Thrones!

Btw any idea how to buy the first book in Romania? I was searching on e bay but nobody ships to over here, and the bookstores id Budapest have only the last book



I am kinda confused to where you are anyway, when I am in Budapest I buy my books @ alexandra.
http://www.alexandra.hu/

They have the books (just checked the webstore).


edit: didnt include the places in Bucharest

Anthony Frost English Bookshop carries it and allso Nautilus.


Outside of Bucharest it will be extremly hard i would say.

Right, i should have clarified. I live in Transilvania, which is in Romania, though i'm Hungarian. Just now i've been to Budapest and went to Alexandra and Libry an neither had it, and tried to buy it online but bookline only had the last one.

Anyways, the alexandra.hu does not have it either quite yet, but if the message is correct, they should have it soon

EDIT : spoke too soon, they wont have the 2nd one :S
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
minus_human
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
4784 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-18 17:20:40
May 18 2011 17:19 GMT
#3145
I've seen all 4 books in a pack, you can find them in Cluj but only the Romanian version (I didn't buy them, I prefer to read in English). Don't know if you're aware of that Geo. Anyway my personal advice would be that you save your money so you can read them in the writer's language.
Sm3agol
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2055 Posts
May 18 2011 17:21 GMT
#3146
On May 18 2011 20:51 WiljushkA wrote:
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On May 18 2011 20:46 Sm3agol wrote:
On May 18 2011 20:34 exog wrote:
On May 18 2011 04:45 sCuMBaG wrote:
On May 18 2011 04:16 -Frog- wrote:
On May 18 2011 04:06 sCuMBaG wrote:
they even made a damn sucking sound^^
seriously... i suppose that scene was kind of meant to shock, but come on!

how the hell is a little gay boy like (this) ser loras supposed to beat anyone...


I think the point is you can't judge someone based on their sexual preference.

Though maybe the 4-5 seconds of nothing but suckling was a little too much lol.



I don't judge anyone. but some boyman with no muscles at all. please... that dude wouldn't even be able to hold a lance


First of all like others said, its fiction. Secondly, have you seen UFC? The bodies vary very much, and there are hardly any "bodybuilding-lookers" left. Actually many of the successfull fighters arent very muscled, speed and long limbs is extremely valuable.

Finally id just like to add that since they use weapons, strength/muscles should imo play even less of a role, and speed/reach even more.

Sounds good...if you're fighting in your boxers. Try being fast with a 10 lb sword with stick arms.


actually the most common medieval sword, the longsword, didnt weigh more than 3 lbs, and a good part of that weight is in the pommel, for balance and the ease of handling. that being said, loras looks a bit of a wuss still.

Random example......Why do all the baseball home run hitters have pretty big arms? Because attaining top speed with a weighted stick is a lot harder than you might initially perceive. I myself am quite skinny, but always surprise people with how strong I am. That being said, I cannot hit a baseball/sledgehammer/ax/etc anywhere near as hard as someone with more bulk to them. And swords would be no different. If you have no mass behind you, all the toughness in the world isn't going to help you. You won't be able to break armor/do damage behind armor/etc with stick arms. As someone with stick arms, I know this for a fact. I still might be dangerous in a fight because I would have elusivness on my side, and I would probably be deadly with a more rapier type weapon. But with a longsword....and having to get through armor? Forget about it, I would be f'ed.
DamnCats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1472 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-18 17:27:23
May 18 2011 17:27 GMT
#3147
Holy shit I need more game of thrones... Wtb time travel so I can time travel to the point where all the seasons have been released. Aahhhhhhhhhhhh

+ Show Spoiler +
Also I knew about the Gregor scene with his horse but it still shocked the shit out of me... crazy son of a bitch lol.
Disciples of a god, that neither lives nor breathes.
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-18 17:32:07
May 18 2011 17:29 GMT
#3148
On May 19 2011 02:19 minus_human wrote:
I've seen all 4 books in a pack, you can find them in Cluj but only the Romanian version (I didn't buy them, I prefer to read in English). Don't know if you're aware of that Geo. Anyway my personal advice would be that you save your money so you can read them in the writer's language.

HI there, i'd buy in English just as well, i'm on amazon right now, searching for them, but i dont see shipping to Romania. Do you know a sure way to order them?
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
ToxNub
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada805 Posts
May 18 2011 17:36 GMT
#3149
best fighters:
+ Show Spoiler +
Pretty sure in the books it was Dayne > Barristan > Jaime > Robert/Rhaegar/Loras etc. Since Dayne is dead (i think) then barristan is the greatest living one, followed by jaime.
MoonfireSpam
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1153 Posts
May 18 2011 17:37 GMT
#3150
Damn good show. One thing I wasn''t quite sure about but what did the guy do to the black horse to make it go berserk, I think I totally missed it?

Also if anyone knows of any other shows with such strong character writing then please let me know
Demand2k
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Norway875 Posts
May 18 2011 17:37 GMT
#3151
On May 19 2011 01:51 1Eris1 wrote:
Why the hell are you guys arguing about Loras's appearance? You do realize that he probably doesn't have the trainers we have today? And simple sword play does not make you Hulk Hogan.

As for the best knight, the characters all seem to agree Dayne was the best of the recent era, and Aemon probably the best since Aegon landed


The best knight in terms of what? Honor or fighting capabilities?

Sandor and Jaime are always mentioned in the top three in regards to the most dangerous allround-fighters. Gregor, Oberyn and Barristan too. Dayne, Rhaegar and Aemon were very popular and revered, but not necessarily the most dangerous people on the field.
InFiNitY[pG]
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Germany3474 Posts
May 18 2011 18:26 GMT
#3152
On May 19 2011 02:37 Demand2k wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2011 01:51 1Eris1 wrote:
Why the hell are you guys arguing about Loras's appearance? You do realize that he probably doesn't have the trainers we have today? And simple sword play does not make you Hulk Hogan.

As for the best knight, the characters all seem to agree Dayne was the best of the recent era, and Aemon probably the best since Aegon landed


The best knight in terms of what? Honor or fighting capabilities?

Sandor and Jaime are always mentioned in the top three in regards to the most dangerous allround-fighters. Gregor, Oberyn and Barristan too. Dayne, Rhaegar and Aemon were very popular and revered, but not necessarily the most dangerous people on the field.


You don't win battles for being honorable so it's obviously about the ability to fight. Those guys you named are only mentioned because they are living in the present, none of them would be able to beat a Robert when he took his throne in my view, nor any of the old Lord Commanders of the Kingsguard, except for Barristan of course who is Lord Commander at the moment.
"I just pressed stimpack, and somehow I won the battle" -Flash
Skilledblob
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany3392 Posts
May 18 2011 18:29 GMT
#3153
On May 19 2011 02:37 MoonfireSpam wrote:
Damn good show. One thing I wasn''t quite sure about but what did the guy do to the black horse to make it go berserk, I think I totally missed it?

Also if anyone knows of any other shows with such strong character writing then please let me know


The black horse was male

the horse the Knight of Flowers used was a female and in heat

so black horse goes wild
-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
May 18 2011 18:47 GMT
#3154
On May 19 2011 03:29 Skilledblob wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2011 02:37 MoonfireSpam wrote:
Damn good show. One thing I wasn''t quite sure about but what did the guy do to the black horse to make it go berserk, I think I totally missed it?

Also if anyone knows of any other shows with such strong character writing then please let me know


The black horse was male

the horse the Knight of Flowers used was a female and in heat

so black horse goes wild

In addition to this Mountain was known to only use the most powerful and the most wild male horses. So Loras used that to his advantage to get an upper hand.
Kickboxer
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Slovenia1308 Posts
May 18 2011 18:48 GMT
#3155
Florian the Fool was supposed to be super badass as well.
StorkHwaiting
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States3465 Posts
May 18 2011 18:48 GMT
#3156
On May 19 2011 03:47 -Archangel- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2011 03:29 Skilledblob wrote:
On May 19 2011 02:37 MoonfireSpam wrote:
Damn good show. One thing I wasn''t quite sure about but what did the guy do to the black horse to make it go berserk, I think I totally missed it?

Also if anyone knows of any other shows with such strong character writing then please let me know


The black horse was male

the horse the Knight of Flowers used was a female and in heat

so black horse goes wild

In addition to this Mountain was known to only use the most powerful and the most wild male horses. So Loras used that to his advantage to get an upper hand.


Loras most certainly knows how to handle a stallion!
-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
May 18 2011 18:50 GMT
#3157
On May 19 2011 03:48 StorkHwaiting wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2011 03:47 -Archangel- wrote:
On May 19 2011 03:29 Skilledblob wrote:
On May 19 2011 02:37 MoonfireSpam wrote:
Damn good show. One thing I wasn''t quite sure about but what did the guy do to the black horse to make it go berserk, I think I totally missed it?

Also if anyone knows of any other shows with such strong character writing then please let me know


The black horse was male

the horse the Knight of Flowers used was a female and in heat

so black horse goes wild

In addition to this Mountain was known to only use the most powerful and the most wild male horses. So Loras used that to his advantage to get an upper hand.


Loras most certainly knows how to handle a stallion!

Only the ones that do not like the look of their own blood :D
lixlix
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States482 Posts
May 18 2011 19:03 GMT
#3158
part of the reason for Loras' physique in the series being so undeveloped is probably because in the books hes described as being "slender as a reed"and "Out of his armor, Ser Loras Tyrell looked even younger than his sixteen years"
Metallingus
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Philippines468 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-19 02:20:18
May 19 2011 02:19 GMT
#3159
On May 19 2011 02:36 ToxNub wrote:
best fighters:
+ Show Spoiler +
Pretty sure in the books it was Dayne > Barristan > Jaime > Robert/Rhaegar/Loras etc. Since Dayne is dead (i think) then barristan is the greatest living one, followed by jaime.


+ Show Spoiler [ASOIAF canon] +
Except Jaime's sword hand had been reduced to a stump thanks to Vargo Hoat. A lot of people cast their votes on Dayne / Aemon the DK / Barristan. Garlan Tyrell is said to be pretty good too but the only evidence of that is hearsay about him practicing swordplay against three men of whose skill we have no idea. For GOAT, personally I'd pick Dayne particularly because of Jaime's personal account. Jaime's a bit full of himself when it comes to the topic of swordplay (with good cause) but when it comes to speaking of Dayne the guy is in awe. Living, my vote goes to The Hound.
Overcome all. Especially plateaus.
ClanRH.TV
Profile Joined July 2010
United States462 Posts
May 19 2011 02:27 GMT
#3160
ived watched all of them and they are great
"Don't take life too seriously because you'll never get out alive."
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