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NukeD
Croatia1612 Posts
You got weird taste :O Average at best??? Eh | ||
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killerdog
Denmark6522 Posts
On June 23 2016 04:52 Sbrubbles wrote: To make sure John wouldn't use it as leverage to release Rickon, guaranteeing Rickon's and Ramsey's death, making her the de facto lady of Winterfell. Lol jk, it's so that we're surprised when the army shows up. Well she (pretty fairly) puts a lot of the blame for what ramsay did to her at littlefingers feet, he asked her to trust him then handed her directly to Ramsay. He's probably her second most hated man in westeros right now after Ramsay. On June 23 2016 04:18 Sent. wrote: GoT had a lot of terrible actors and actresses but in my opinion she's not one of them. Watch this: + Show Spoiler + I don't know how she could make this scene any better, it's not her fault her character often has to say or do stupid things She has some good scenes, it's not like she can't act at all. She just doesn't have the charisma/stage presence required for a lot of the scenes she needs to do. There are a lot of scenes where she's meant to completely intimidate people into submission, or look incredibly strong and majestic, and I just don't feel it. It's hard to put into words, but like someone else said, the melisandra actress can dominate entire scenes without even saying anything. Especially in her earlier scenes with stannis she has the air of someone who 100% knows they are in control and will get what they want, and the entire set is just enveloped by that, and all the other actors can play off it really easily/well. Like just look at the last episode, when she walked in to tyrion she just looked like she was amused or something. Even Dinklage couldn't sell that he was actually seriously intimidated by her, and then the discussion with the masters just felt awkward. She's trying to project overwhelming confidence but it just kind of feels like she doesn't care/isn't even invested in the scene. These complaints are really small complaints in the grand scheme of things, she's a good actor and she isn't acting badly, it's just a few scenes feel like they don't really mesh with her strengths as an actor at all. Plus there are so many really amazing actors in the show that when you get one who isn't totally in their element it stands out a bit. I feel like she played off Jorah really well, (who's actor is fucking amazing btw,) so it's a pity he's gone.Their relationship let them really draw each others characters out into the open properly, and daario's character is ridiculously one dimensional. Hopefully he gets back soon since she's sort of just talking to a brick wall of (intentionally) emotionless actors, or tyrion (who plotwise just isn't a good conversation partner) until then  | ||
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Sbrubbles
Brazil5775 Posts
On June 23 2016 05:10 killerdog wrote: Well she (pretty fairly) puts a lot of the blame for what ramsay did to her at littlefingers feet, he asked her to trust him then handed her directly to Ramsay. He's probably her second most hated man in westeros right now after Ramsay. That's no reason not to inform John of the possibility of it happening. Not only would it make no sense to refuse help, but the Vale army could have helped whether Sansa/John wanted it to or not. And if Littlefinger's army for some reason sided with Ramsey, it would also have been good for John to know. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
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On June 23 2016 04:58 Sent. wrote: I didnt like Robb, Shae, pre-Reek Theon, Ellaria, Sand Snakes and Lancel but criticizing the cast was not my intent. I guess it's not "a lot", my bad I can see Shae and the Sand Snakes, not sure about the rest though. On June 23 2016 04:46 Hider wrote: Melisandre plays her "look at me I know what I am doing"-role very well. It's actually interesting to think that Dany was recasted. Originally they had a different actor and had to reshoot the scenes with Emilie Clarke. It kinda makes sense given that she executed her role in S1 as well, but she just isn't a "nuanced" actor that can play different roles. They especially got lucky with their child actors who all turned out pretty well. Dany is the only actor that feels unbelieveable in her current role. Yeah i think Emilia is clearly the worst "main" actor and it shows somewhat (makes her scenes less enjoyable) | ||
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killerdog
Denmark6522 Posts
On June 23 2016 05:20 Sbrubbles wrote: That's no reason not to inform John of the possibility of it happening. Not only would it make no sense to refuse help, but the Vale army could have helped whether Sansa/John wanted it to or not. And if Littlefinger's army for some reason sided with Ramsey, it would also have been good for John to know. She knows if she tells him about littlefinger, he'll obviously want to go get them to come help. Then she'd have to explain what exactly ramsay did to her and why she blames littlefinger. Then best case scenario Jon gets all hot headed and does something stupid like attacking Ramsay (which incidentally ended up happening anyway,) or he realises what littlefinger did to her and ends up wanting to kill both Ramsay AND Littlefinger. She's desperately trying to find any possible way to defeat Ramsay without resorting to asking Littlefinger for help, hence her near breakdown with Jon right before the battle where she's desperately pleading for there to be any other way. Then the results of that conversation (Jon (unwittingly) helping her see there is no other way) + seeing Ramsay in person again are enough for her to decide that she's willing to go back to littlefinger if it lets her get her revenge on Ramsay. It's all pretty clearly explained character development over the last season. | ||
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beentheredonethat
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Sbrubbles
Brazil5775 Posts
On June 23 2016 05:26 killerdog wrote: She knows if she tells him about littlefinger, he'll obviously want to go get them to come help. Then she'd have to explain what exactly ramsay did to her and why she blames littlefinger. Then best case scenario Jon gets all hot headed and does something stupid like attacking Ramsay (which incidentally ended up happening anyway,) or he realises what littlefinger did to her and ends up wanting to kill both Ramsay AND Littlefinger. She's desperately trying to find any possible way to defeat Ramsay without resorting to asking Littlefinger for help, hence her near breakdown with Jon right before the battle where she's desperately pleading for there to be any other way. Then the results of that conversation (Jon (unwittingly) helping her see there is no other way) + seeing Ramsay in person again are enough for her to decide that she's willing to go back to littlefinger if it lets her get her revenge on Ramsay. It's all pretty clearly explained character development over the last season. Not only is John already pissed at Ramsey, but being that he knows Ramsey is a sicko and that they were married for many days, he's probably got a good guess of the abuse she's been through. John being hotheaded and attacking Littlefinger because of the marriage would be stupid beyond measure. It took his brother dying in front of him to get him to forfeit everything he cared about for a moment of rage. As for character development, Sansa looked to briefly have character development, going from a girl in need of rescue to something more (when with Littlefinger in the Vale), only to go back to being a girl in need of rescue (with Ramsey). If I were to agree with you that she's trying to win without Littlefinger, what's the lesson here for Sansa's character? That even when she wants to do things her own way she still needs to be rescued by him? | ||
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FFGenerations
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that is my review of this repisode like me | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
How can you resist the eyebrows ![[image loading]](https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.pandawhale.com%2Fpost-36188-Emilia-Clarke-Eyebrows-gif-gfy-nHYW.gif&f=1) | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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Kevin_Sorbo
Canada3217 Posts
[QUOTE]On June 22 2016 08:05 Sbrubbles wrote: [QUOTE]On June 22 2016 07:21 Kevin_Sorbo wrote: [QUOTE]On June 22 2016 06:54 Plansix wrote: Sansa didn't know the Knights were coming or if anyone would come? She sent a raven asking for help, apparently(we never see it). But we see no evidence that a return raven was received. Also, she might not trust Jon that much. Or anyone at this point. I can think of a lot of reasons why she did tell him, some not great. Also, we forget that Little Finger is the one who lead to the death of Ned. It happened by mistake due to Joffrey demanding Ned's head, but Little Finger was the one who betrayed Ned. If I were her, i would not be confidence how Jon would react to asking for Little Finger's help or what Jon knows about how Ned died. [/QUOTE] You got it all wrong man. Sansa knew from the beginning that LF would be there with his army. She also knew that Ramsay is a sick fuck that would be happy to come out to crush a weaker force. Ramsay would never have left Winterfell if he had known about the Vale Army. Sansa chose to keep it secret from Jon for some reason I guess... Also maybe she didnt know that lf would wait until the last second to come out guns blazing with his army. I think Ramsay took Sansa's bait. [quote]The only chance for Rickon living (besides some deus ex machina) was being part of a negotiation, and Ramsey didn't need to negotiate unless threatened (by, say, a large army coming from the only region in Westeros that has been spared from the war). It only makes sense for Sansa to not tell anyone about the incoming Vale army if she wants Rickon to die, but I won't believe that unless the show makes that clear. Edit: Ofc, it doesn't make sense that an army can show up without anyone knowing about it (I think the show itself even stated when the Vale knights took Moat Cailin), but hey, maybe a wizard did it. I dont know about that. Jon and Sansa cant really enter negotiations with Ramsay because he holds all the assets. He has the heir of house Stark in the dungeons and hes got the shelter. Any siege is a win for Ramsay. The way I see it, the only chance the Stark forces have to defeat Ramsay is to bait him out of his castle. | ||
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Sbrubbles
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killerdog
Denmark6522 Posts
On June 22 2016 08:05 Sbrubbles wrote: The only chance for Rickon living (besides some deus ex machina) was being part of a negotiation, and Ramsey didn't need to negotiate unless threatened (by, say, a large army coming from the only region in Westeros that has been spared from the war). It only makes sense for Sansa to not tell anyone about the incoming Vale army if she wants Rickon to die, but I won't believe that unless the show makes that clear. Edit: Ofc, it doesn't make sense that an army can show up without anyone knowing about it (I think the show itself even stated when the Vale knights took Moat Cailin), but hey, maybe a wizard did it. Dunno what moat cailin is, but they had a whole bit about Jamie and bronn having caught the forces besiegeing the blackfish by surprise. (At riverrun? not sure.) Although if Littlefingers army was purely mounted, they were probably just making double time towards the battlefield after Sansa told him it had already started. The fighting could easily have been going on for an hour or two by the time they arrived, so it's not like either side would be holding an overly strict perimeter when one side was fucked and the other slaughtering survivors. I'm curious what, if anything, Sansa promised littlefinger. Do we know anything about why Catelyn ended up marrying ned instead of Littlefinger? With all the paralells running between Jon/Sansa and Ned/Cat, it feels like her relationship with littlefiner could mirror Cat's with Ned. But I can't remember learning anything about that other than that Littlefinger had the hots for her or something. | ||
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Hyperbola
United States2534 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/OyVKYv2.jpg) Daenerys Kitchenborn of the House Targaryen. The First of Her Size, the Unburnt, Queen of McDonalds, Queen of the Dressing and the Cheesy Potatoes and the First Bakers, Khaleesi of the Great Cola Sea, Breaker of Crab Legs, and Mother of Burgers. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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FFGenerations
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Dav1oN
Ukraine3164 Posts
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Logo
United States7542 Posts
On June 23 2016 07:17 killerdog wrote: Dunno what moat cailin is, but they had a whole bit about Jamie and bronn having caught the forces besiegeing the blackfish by surprise. (At riverrun? not sure.) Although if Littlefingers army was purely mounted, they were probably just making double time towards the battlefield after Sansa told him it had already started. The fighting could easily have been going on for an hour or two by the time they arrived, so it's not like either side would be holding an overly strict perimeter when one side was fucked and the other slaughtering survivors. I'm curious what, if anything, Sansa promised littlefinger. Do we know anything about why Catelyn ended up marrying ned instead of Littlefinger? With all the paralells running between Jon/Sansa and Ned/Cat, it feels like her relationship with littlefiner could mirror Cat's with Ned. But I can't remember learning anything about that other than that Littlefinger had the hots for her or something. Littlefinger was no one. He had no titles or stature and was the lord of a very very small keep. Catelyn, being the daughter of a prominent lord, had a duty to marry and bring houses together. | ||
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Wuster
1974 Posts
On June 22 2016 23:27 Whole wrote: Sweet video. Thanks for the link as I never heard of this channel before. He did one for the Tower of Joy too, he defended the duel wielding =p. TL;DR - dual wielding is good for small fights, crap for army combat, so it's appropriate for this context. On June 23 2016 07:17 killerdog wrote: Dunno what moat cailin is, but they had a whole bit about Jamie and bronn having caught the forces besiegeing the blackfish by surprise. (At riverrun? not sure.) Although if Littlefingers army was purely mounted, they were probably just making double time towards the battlefield after Sansa told him it had already started. The fighting could easily have been going on for an hour or two by the time they arrived, so it's not like either side would be holding an overly strict perimeter when one side was fucked and the other slaughtering survivors. I'm curious what, if anything, Sansa promised littlefinger. Do we know anything about why Catelyn ended up marrying ned instead of Littlefinger? With all the paralells running between Jon/Sansa and Ned/Cat, it feels like her relationship with littlefiner could mirror Cat's with Ned. But I can't remember learning anything about that other than that Littlefinger had the hots for her or something. Moat Cailin is the castle that protects the Southern approach to the North. It's vitally important (a few seasons back, Roose sends Ramsay to use Reek to talk down the Iron Born because of how important it is). After the Vale took it, there's no way Ramsay / Karstark would have ignored a hostile army taking their most important Southern stronghold. It's a huge hand-wave. | ||
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killerdog
Denmark6522 Posts
On June 23 2016 08:14 Logo wrote: Littlefinger was no one. He had no titles or stature and was the lord of a very very small keep. Catelyn, being the daughter of a prominent lord, had a duty to marry and bring houses together. Did Cat actually return his affections, and only marry Ned out of duty? Or was it one sided from littlefingers side | ||
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ticklishmusic
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