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On June 13 2016 11:06 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
This was imo the absolute worst episode of the entire show, ever. I'd have to write my own novel to convey how disappointed I am with this week and how many stupid and lazy things. Almost everything about this episode was just bad and stupid as fuck.
i have to agree :/
btw. arya looked perfectly fine last scene...??? what did i miss?
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Pretty disappointing episode. Why are we still getting filler episodes at the end of the season, and why is it terrible filler that makes no sense. Dumbest thing was how they did Blackfish storyline; just why. It might have even been ok if he went with Brienne at the end, but what should have happened is he sees the castle is lost and walk out with Brienne with a white flag when the drawbridge is lowered or something. Just stupid.
Also, can anyone recall what the maester and cersie were talking about when he was telling her he found out? I can't remember what she asked him to look into other than to try and find sansa iirc.
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This whole season is just one filler after another at this point.
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This is the only time I think I can agree with the people in this thread. This episode was pretty... well kinda bad. Ayra's scenes were terrible, how the hell is she running around like that? No way, not with those wounds.
I didn't mind the riverrun ending, I am curious what's going to happen next. I think it was dumb of blackfish to die though  .
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I feel like I am a pretty forgiving guy, and this episode was shit, I mean WTF was that?
The scene in King landing were nice, Riverun were ok I guess (outside of Brienne on the river like 20 meter of the city siege and NO ONE see them or stop them outside of Jaime of course)
The hound and Mereen scene just felt flat to me, I mean an army showed up and I just felt "heh whatever"
Aria vs the Waif was a good scene for me until the end, I would not be surprise if they realize they were running out of time and made her story simpler, I was waiting for the twist, but nothing came. The ending was just weird after all the theories that were trowing around after last episode it is just a disappointing ending, all the "being no one" story line amount to nothing at all, should have just made a Rokky montage and be done with it if they just wanted to do that.
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The hound and Mereen scene just felt flat to me, I mean an army showed up and I just felt "heh whatever"
This. Usually the strenght of Game of Thrones has been that we as viewers gets so deeply involved in the characters, events, action-scenes and battles. But the build-up has been so terrible, so we no longer care.
I hate to say this, but it definitely seems like the writers just have no idea what to do without relying on the books.
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On June 13 2016 11:14 hootsushi wrote:
This whole season is just one filler after another at this point.
I've been okay with the season as a whole until this point. Had some bumpy times but overall to me it has been a good season, until this episode.
This episode confirms me fears that D&D have no clue how to write and properly end a proper story line.
Arya in Braavos story line ending, absolute complete garbage. Seriously what the fuck was that.
Blackfish story ending, lolol we didn't even get to see him fucking fight. Let alone the notion that a seasoned war veteran wouldn't consider going to help advise his niece in a battle, solidify the north and then with an army go back to Riverrun? I mean it's not like Sansa and the north isn't gonna want to fuck up the Freys anyway. Naw go try and fight literally an army by yourself, and off screen. Good job.
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Hey guys, that wasn't Arya 
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On June 13 2016 11:29 The_Red_Viper wrote:Hey guys, that wasn't Arya
Tell me more about how unsuccesful Overwatch is please. You was so happy to tell me about how bad it was 6-7 months ago, but yet you been so quiet ever since. Not happy to admit an error there, but when you happen to be right for the first time, you still feel the need to act smirky.
And It shouldn't have been Arya becasue that was the only way her story would made any sense and be somewhat interesting.
As it turned out, her story didn't make any sense and was boring as fuck. If you think that was a likely outcome, good for you. But otherwise there is no reason to be happy about being right for the wrong reasons.
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On June 13 2016 11:33 Hider wrote:Tell me more about how unsuccesful Overwatch is please. You was so happy to tell me about how bad it was 6-7 months ago, but yet you been so quiet ever since. Not happy to admit an error there, but happy enough to mock everyone else when you happened to be right for the first time. And It shouldn't have been Arya becasue that was the only way her story would made any sense and be somewhat interesting. As it turned out, her story didn't make any sense and was boring as fuck. If you think that was a likely outcome, good for you. But otherwise there is no reason to be happy about being right for the wrong reasons.
I wouldn't respond to Viper. Seriously he just hates on the show. For once this season he was right and he's going to rub it in of course lol. You'll find it much easier to just ignore him then trying to speak to him  .
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No. The only good thing about this episode is the preview for the next episode.
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On June 13 2016 11:40 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2016 11:33 Hider wrote:On June 13 2016 11:29 The_Red_Viper wrote:Hey guys, that wasn't Arya Tell me more about how unsuccesful Overwatch is please. You was so happy to tell me about how bad it was 6-7 months ago, but yet you been so quiet ever since. Not happy to admit an error there, but happy enough to mock everyone else when you happened to be right for the first time. And It shouldn't have been Arya becasue that was the only way her story would made any sense and be somewhat interesting. As it turned out, her story didn't make any sense and was boring as fuck. If you think that was a likely outcome, good for you. But otherwise there is no reason to be happy about being right for the wrong reasons. I wouldn't respond to Viper. Seriously he just hates on the show. For once this season he was right and he's going to rub it in of course lol. You'll find it much easier to just ignore him then trying to speak to him .
I wouldn't say he is that bad. But sometimes he has own opinions and rather than just accepting that these are his opinions and other people are allowed to have different opinions, he wants to force it down on others.
I still have some sympathy with people being different, but he takes it too far. Like putting the people who think it wasn't Arya on the same category as the Shaggydog-guys is ridiculous.There was a reason that a ton of people were on board on the Arya theory - for instance Alt + Shift + X also assesed that it was the most likely explanation.
With his logic you could dismiss every single theory on the show. So I would prefer if he just accepted that there were strong reasons for the Arya theory, and didn't act all smirky afterwards.
That said, going forward we all need to adjust future theories. It doesn't seem like there are any hidden agenda's anymore. So what we see is probably what we get. But I don't think that we could known that before today's episode.
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On June 13 2016 11:33 Hider wrote:Tell me more about how unsuccesful Overwatch is please. You was so happy to tell me about how bad it was 6-7 months ago, but yet you been so quiet ever since. Not happy to admit an error there, but when you happen to be right for the first time, you still feel the need to act smirky. And It shouldn't have been Arya becasue that was the only way her story would made any sense and be somewhat interesting. As it turned out, her story didn't make any sense and was boring as fuck. If you think that was a likely outcome, good for you. But otherwise there is no reason to be happy about being right for the wrong reasons.
Not gonna argue the overwatch stuff because it doesn't belong here. If you actually wanna discuss it, just send a pm.
You are simply wrong about Arya and her story, that's it. I am not saying that the current story progression is good writing, but as you already pointed out in your other post, the show went kinda downhill the last two seasons. That is the reason why the only reasonable prediction was it being Arya. It was as simple as: What is shown is actually what happened.
Everyone not being happy with it and thus creating weird theories to fit their worldview was confirmation bias 101. Nothing more and nothing less.
It happened with Rickon, it happened with Arya, it happened with Cleganebowl and it most likely happened with a topic related to BwB.
But yeah sure, i was right "for the wrong reasons", because the only reasons which are ever legit are yours.
On June 13 2016 11:40 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2016 11:33 Hider wrote:On June 13 2016 11:29 The_Red_Viper wrote:Hey guys, that wasn't Arya Tell me more about how unsuccesful Overwatch is please. You was so happy to tell me about how bad it was 6-7 months ago, but yet you been so quiet ever since. Not happy to admit an error there, but happy enough to mock everyone else when you happened to be right for the first time. And It shouldn't have been Arya becasue that was the only way her story would made any sense and be somewhat interesting. As it turned out, her story didn't make any sense and was boring as fuck. If you think that was a likely outcome, good for you. But otherwise there is no reason to be happy about being right for the wrong reasons. I wouldn't respond to Viper. Seriously he just hates on the show. For once this season he was right and he's going to rub it in of course lol. You'll find it much easier to just ignore him then trying to speak to him .
That is literally the only thing you ever add when i criticize the show. Never have i seen you actually argue the points.
If i "hate" on the show you certainly "hate" on me
On June 13 2016 11:50 Hider wrote:
I wouldn't say he is that bad. But sometimes he has own opinions and rather than just accepting that these are his opinions and other people are allowed to have different opinions, he wants to force it down on others.
I still have some sympathy with people being different, but he takes it too far. Like putting the people who think it wasn't Arya on the same category as the Shaggydog-guys is ridiculous.There was a reason that a ton of people were on board on the Arya theory - for instance Alt + Shift + X also assesed that it was the most likely explanation.
With his logic you could dismiss every single theory on the show. So I would prefer if he just accepted that there were strong reasons for the Arya theory, and didn't act all smirky afterwards.
That said, going forward we all need to adjust future theories. It doesn't seem like there are any hidden agenda's anymore. So what we see is probably what we get. But I don't think that we could known that before today's episode.
Just responding to this as well. AltShiftX actually says it not being Arya is "the most likely CRAZY theory".
Not that this would be a strong argument to begin with, AltShiftX does exactly that: Present theories from the asoiaf reddit in a way anybody can understand it. That's his whole concept.
And no you couldn't dismiss any show theory, but you should have more than your own bias and "arya's hair is different" for the basis of a theory. If you won't accept that there was no real strong evidence though then we should just agree to disagree.
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And no you couldn't dismiss any show theory, but you should have more than your own bias and "arya's hair is different" for the basis of a theory. If you won't accept that there was no real strong evidence though then we should just agree to disagree
Arya's hair is the main reason I thought it wasn't Arya that was stabbed? Or what exactly are you implying?
Just responding to this as well. AltShiftX actually says it not being Arya is "the most likely CRAZY theory".
Not that this would be a strong argument to begin with, AltShiftX does exactly that: Present theories from the asoiaf reddit in a way anybody can understand it. That's his whole concept.
Sure not. But point being that this was a theory that a ton of people found pretty likely for alot of reasons. What reasons did you provide for it being unlikely? IIRC your entire argument was the shaggydog comparison.
but as you already pointed out in your other post, the show went kinda downhill the last two seasons. That is the reason why the only reasonable prediction was it being Arya. It was as simple as: What is shown is actually what happened.
The difference was that there had not been a main character spending 2 seasons doing w/ no plot advancements before. This is comparable to Bran getting up beyond the wall, walking around for 2 seasons and then figuring out that he wants to go back to Winterfell.
Rickon and his wolf were different because they were minor characters + they already had an actual purpose with the way they were introduced.
Anyway, noone says you are not allowed to think it was Arya. The issue was that you were somewhat condescending towards people who thought differently.
Not gonna argue the overwatch stuff because it doesn't belong here. If you actually wanna discuss it, just send a pm.
Nah, just an example of how you act. You couldn't wait to message me when Overwatch wasn't well received in one community post as a proof of how it wasn't gonna be succesful.
Your smirky comments signal how much you want other people to acknowledge that you were right and other people were wrong, and that comes out as somewhat provocative.
And I don't think I ever did the same thing to you, like calling you out when it did turn out out that Winterstarcraft in fact was viewbotting after you called me a biased hater (or something along those lines) or when Overwatch ended up being succesful despite the terrible game modes.
We all make our predictions, and we are all wrong occationally. Just leave it at that.
Everyone not being happy with it and thus creating weird theories to fit their worldview was confirmation bias 101.
Side point, but that's actually not confirmation bias. That said, I do agree that people enjoy speculating. And yes 95%+ of all theories are bullshit. but that doesn't mean that some of them could not have merit. But as we get more and more data on the Game of Thrones writers, we should ofc adjust the probability of various theories being correct.
@ Right for wrong reasons
Well you had no argument besides "what you see is what you get" which you can imply to all theories. If there were many comparable previous instances, then you could refer to them to support your thesis. However, the Shaggydog example is - as explained - not comparable to Aryas storyline.
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Okay.. it's a little disappointing, this is an episode 8 of the season, if this happened during ep 2 or 3 then its okay. But I hope they fix some stuff like: Arya can barely walk properly when she got up from the bed, then suddenly she can outrun a 100hp assasin, also aren't the no-ones kill like stealth-like, they just made a commotion in whole braavos. not sure if Waif is toying around or she is just noob. The ending of Arya arc in braavos accomplished nothing (for now) except that she killed Meryn Trant.
The build for Blackfish was pretty disappointing too, at least show him have a stand off before a fight, before cutting the scene lol.
Likes:
-They showed Berric Dondarion again, kinda liked the character since s1, and the brotherhood aren't actually bad guys
-Arya last scene with waif , chopping the candle is pretty nice
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I don't get why the masters are attacking , didn't they had an agreement that they will give them like 7 years ?, And just realized the pyramid has no elevators right?
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I never said it was your main reason, but yes it was part of your reasoning.
My reasoning was that the whole evidence for it isn't strong (which it wasn't), GoT not having enough time anymore to do intricate plot lines (14 episodes for at least 2000 pages), it being simlar to the confirmation bias which was present in the past.
A lot of people believing in a theory is no good standard. Not sure why you would bring that up.
I am pretty sure i never messaged you directly about overwatch.
I was "acting smirky" in this topic just to tease you people who rather create/believe in "crazy theories" than believing in what was actually shown. Sorry if that pisses you off THAT much.
The difference was that there had not been a main character spending 2 seasons during something for no reason/plot advancements before. This is comparable to Bran just getting up beyond the wall, walking around for 2 seasons and then figuring out that he wants to go back to Winterfell.
This implies that the only way for Arya's arc to have a point would be if it wasn't Arya being stabbed. Which is simply wrong.
But anyway, noone says you are not allowed to think it was Arya. The issue was that you were somewhat condescending towards people who thought differently.
I don't think i was condescending at all. I simply pointed out that there is little basis for the theory and compared it to another theory with little basis in the past. If you think it is condescending to tell people that their theory has little evidence and that there is a simpler explanation which is more likely for varous reasons, then i guess i was condescending.
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YEH! Stomp that bitch Arya :p
rip Blackfish, cool character that didn't get enough screen time.
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On June 13 2016 12:19 shin_toss wrote:
Okay.. it's a little disappointing, this is an episode 8 of the season, if this happened during ep 2 or 3 then its okay. But I hope they fix some stuff like: Arya can barely walk properly when she got up from the bed, then suddenly she can outrun a 100hp assasin, also aren't the no-ones kill like stealth-like, they just made a commotion in whole braavos. not sure if Waif is toying around or she is just noob. The ending of Arya arc in braavos accomplished nothing (for now) except that she killed Meryn Trant.
The build for Blackfish was pretty disappointing too, at least show him have a stand off before a fight, before cutting the scene lol.
Likes:
-They showed Berric Dondarion again, kinda liked the character since s1, and the brotherhood aren't actually bad guys
-Arya last scene with waif , chopping the candle is pretty nice
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I don't get why the masters are attacking , didn't they had an agreement that they will give them like 7 years ?, And just realized the pyramid has no elevators right?
Master's used the downtime to rally their men. Tyrion was warned they were just playing him. They can just starve out the pyramid. Though starting off with a siege and moving into "oh Dany's back" seems like an odd way to end it. Especially when they next previews don't even mention the conflict.
Blackfish plotline was pretty underwhelming. The tactical expert comes off as a stubborn old dumbass in the end. How did he retake the castle without fighting anyway?
Arya's wasn't bad, it just felt like we spent way too long on it for the payoff. Her running away isn't even that farfetched given she thought she was about to die. A Man had a smirk when she left though, so maybe her not becoming no one is what he really wanted.
Cleganbowl denied.
Cercei fucked.
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They have so much to cover up in two episodes, maybe the Bolton arc will end this season, after that, In S7 finally we may see a connecting story from KL to the North and at the same time Iron Islands will merge with Dany arc
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Well that episode was wholly disappointing.
Both kills the idea of Syrio returning and the Cleganebowl happening in one fell swoop.
Not much really happened tbh. Arya escaped, in a bad chase scene and killed Waif off-screen. Hound had the only really good scenes or lines this entire episode and he was only in it for like 5min. Dany returns right on time, didn't even get any dragon action though. We also lose Blackfish in a fight off-screen and Brienne doesn't even get a impromptu kiss for Jaime or even gets to fight him.
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