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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On June 02 2014 19:09 Talaris wrote: This. There is so much repetitiveness to ensure that everyone "gets it", which could have (at least partially) have been spent building up stuff like "the Mountain, that dude from the tourney in Season 1, is really a bad-ass-fighter" or Olenna not just casually explaining to her granddaughter that she poisoned Joffrey =/ How is oberyn more interesting and complex than say Joffrey? He's basically his pure opposite, but not really so complex. Yeah, his character was likable in the sense that we could agree with his values and he was a badass, but that doesn't make him complex. His actor was great for sure. Better than Joffrey's. I'd say maybe only tyrion, jaime, and probably a few others could be described as having real depth. | ||
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KingAlphard
Italy1705 Posts
His death might have been stupid... but the aim imo was to have Oberyn lose and still showing he was clearly the better fighter in the end. Which also means that the Mountain isn't as unbeatable as they made him up to be during the whole show. I don't think the Mountain will die from the wounds, although he fell down after smashing Oberyn's head. My prediction is that there will be another fight between him and an important character in the future, and he will lose that time. It's not true that good characters always die. Just think about Jon Snow. He had multiple chances of dying: when he was with the wildlings, when Ygritte hit him with 3 arrows, and especially when he fought with Karl at the keep. He always survived in the end. | ||
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Talaris
Switzerland753 Posts
On June 02 2014 19:11 kyllinghest wrote: Im guessing the only reason they told us the bold part is because his influence on the show probably is far from finished. They wouldn´t have made him so "cool" if he was only going to die like that without getting more shit done. Im really looking forward to the next two episodes, something is definately up! hmm, you got a point... if I recap, there were like 5 characterisctics (the 3 mentioned and that he hates the Lannisters and he speaks directly) pointed out repeatedly and I didn't think about the poison-thing up until now. Not sure if it wouldn't feel forced though, if ppl started to die of poison after his death - Oberyn always cut straight to the point, he does not look like the almighty schemer a là Varys/Petyr/Cersei. Perhaps his Mistress ( "... Sand", forgot her name), it still feels ..shallow. Of course time will tell, but it would have been so much more plausible if Dorne(as a faction) gets involved more actively in the show when the Prince didn't die while fighting a sanctioned duel... | ||
Hot_Bid
Braavos36383 Posts
On June 02 2014 19:12 kongoline wrote: if mountain dies isnt this a tie? it's who dies first technically every trial by combat is a tie since both men die eventually then XD | ||
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KoRStarvid
Sweden767 Posts
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Deleted User 197942
Romania151 Posts
 Every season, so many characters I like and find interesting die. Why does it have to be like this, the actor of Oberyn was amazing. I keep getting less and less interested in the show. :/ | ||
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Talaris
Switzerland753 Posts
On June 02 2014 19:19 Itsmedudeman wrote: How is oberyn more interesting and complex than say Joffrey? He's basically his pure opposite, but not really so complex. Yeah, his character was likable in the sense that we could agree with his values and he was a badass, but that doesn't make him complex. His actor was great for sure. Better than Joffrey's. I'd say maybe only tyrion, jaime, and probably a few others could be described as having real depth. I was quoting b/c I share the thought that we get alot of repetition lately (and I wish this screentime would be spent otherwise), not b/c I share the thought that e.g. Oberyn is more complex than Joffrey. Btw, I really dig Jack Gleesons acting, for me he was one of the best actors on GoT ! - and we got alot of really good actors there ! | ||
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Parcelleus
Australia1662 Posts
It's like "game of predictable surprises". | ||
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urboss
Austria1223 Posts
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36383 Posts
On June 02 2014 19:24 KoRStarvid wrote: Meh, it's a shame that a good character like Oberyn was killed in such a silly way. Why would we believe that an otherwise intelligent man would act so irrationally instead of just killing Gregor and tea-bag him in front of the Lannisters... i really wouldn't describe the most brutal death on TV in recent memory "silly" but the guy let his hubris/thirst for revenge for his sister consume him and paid for it, outside of that he was very intelligent but it was his one weakness. even during the fight as he was toying with the mountain there were moments that showed real danger, he got knocked off his feet a few times etc. | ||
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Monsen
Germany2548 Posts
On June 02 2014 13:49 albis wrote: WTF. he won. he had it won. when you're ahead you get more ahead. he threw it all away and lost. ahhhhh i hate it so. but...but..littlefinger is growing more OP so...there's that<3. and stupid bolten bastered been giving titles. meh, hate that kid. that fight was meh choreographed. Someone should have told Oberyn to watch some Artosis/Day9. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
looks like only the tyrells are backing the lannisters, and the hell if they are trustworthy from what we've seen. its a perfect storm of fuck the lannisters. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
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KoRStarvid
Sweden767 Posts
On June 02 2014 19:32 Hot_Bid wrote: i really wouldn't describe the most brutal death on TV in recent memory "silly" but the guy let his hubris/thirst for revenge for his sister consume him and paid for it, outside of that he was very intelligent but it was his one weakness. even during the fight as he was toying with the mountain there were moments that showed real danger, he got knocked off his feet a few times etc. Writers do this mistake time and again - they make intelligent characters temporarily stupid for the sake of suspense and excitement, and it's not realistic in any way. Though I agree that the death itself wasn't silly, but rather gruesome as you say, the script was silly as hell. I wish writers would stop using this "sudden irrationality"-device. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On June 02 2014 19:43 KoRStarvid wrote: Writers do this mistake time and again - they make intelligent characters temporarily stupid for the sake of suspense and excitement, and it's not realistic in any way. Though I agree that the death itself wasn't silly, but rather gruesome as you say, the script was silly as hell. I wish writers would stop using this "sudden irrationality"-device. How is this not realistic? Not all intelligent people act rationally ALL THE FUCKING TIME. In fact, really intelligent people believe in stupid bullshit when not overcome with emotion whatsoever. This is the reality of everyone and no one is perfect like you believed Oberyn to be. | ||
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Zexion
Sweden971 Posts
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Warri
Germany3208 Posts
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Monsen
Germany2548 Posts
On June 02 2014 19:40 Itsmedudeman wrote: Intelligent people act irrationally all the time. Hopefully I don't need to bring out the history textbooks, but yeah. He didn't just want to get revenge on the Mountain, he wanted revenge on Tywin who ordered it too so it was really important to him that the Mountain would confess to it. Really, in terms of whose fault it was Oberyn may have hated the Mountain and Tywin equally as much. Indeed. Everyone chastising Oberyn for not ending the fight as soon as he could just doesn't understand his motivations at all. He didn't fight just to kill the mountain. Even before the fight he basically (and wrongly) took the mountains death for granted and was more focused on getting the confession that would give him a shot at Tywin. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On June 02 2014 19:47 Warri wrote: Thinking about the scene a bit more, it's just so cliché. When the mountain grabbed him, he already had his calf pierced and he also had his stomach severely pierced. But then, after lying on the ground for half a minute, he wakes up and goes all enraged berserker mode and manages to actually get up. How does he manage to keep kneeling there, his leg should be paralyzed. And then he can exert enough force with his arms, which also require the torso, to push in a skull? When he pressing his fucking stomach should have exploded out of him at that point. Anyway, im not a doctor, but that shit looked unrealistic. :| It's called adrenaline and yes it can make you do crazy shit and even make you oblivious to pain. | ||
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