Mormont is revealed to be the spy much earlier in the books. Ned and Robert talk about it in their conversation on the Kingsroad. Also, Jamie isn't really set up to be sympathetic. He threw a child out the window and says that he would kill everybody but himself and Cercei. In a few episodes on, he will also kill assault Ned in the streets and kill his men.
I mean Jamie murdering the king as a sympathetic act, rather than just following oppertunity - basically Ned Stark's view of him. I guess this is partially because we don't get Jamie's POV in the book
No, I meant what we got - as readers - in the first book was Ned's version of Jamie, which is why the version we're seeing in the series doesn't seem correct for me at times. I just find him too likeable (in that I actually like the tv version) and "knightly," which has a lot to do with the warstories scene.
That depends entirely on whether or not you believe what he says rather than what he does. He is charismatic likeable if you disregard his crimes. So are many psycopaths in reality. To me, that just makes him more despicable at this point.
Like someone else said, I think too many people who have read the books are thinking about the characters and how they are in book four, rather than how they are in book 1. To predict how they are going to fail to portray the characters correctly 2 seasons from now, is just ridiculous.
My point is that it seems like they're trying to introduce elements of the characters as how they are in later books into how the characters are in season 1. + Show Spoiler +
Jamie seeming to have a more altruistic reason for slaying the king, rather than simple opportunism, for example. Although he always did it out of some sense of honor or compassion, the audience doesn't actually know that right off the bat - but it should be pretty obvious to people new to the tv series already
Meaning, it seems like they're cutting or compressing character development, not just over the course of a single book, but across the entire character arc of the saga as a whole. As in; I don't want any book 2-4 in season 1.
But whatever, it's just a nitpick or a worry at the moment, so I don't want to make that big a deal of it.
Like someone else said, I think too many people who have read the books are thinking about the characters and how they are in book four, rather than how they are in book 1. To predict how they are going to fail to portray the characters correctly 2 seasons from now, is just ridiculous.
My point is that it seems like they're trying to introduce elements of the characters as how they are in later books into how the characters are in season 1. + Show Spoiler +
Jamie seeming to have a more altruistic reason for slaying the king, rather than simple opportunism, for example. Although he always did it out of some sense of honor or compassion, the audience doesn't actually know that right off the bat - but it should be pretty obvious to people new to the tv series already
Meaning, it seems like they're cutting or compressing character development, not just over the course of a single book, but across the entire character arc of the saga as a whole. As in; I don't want any book 2-4 in season 1.
But whatever, it's just a nitpick or a worry at the moment, so I don't want to make that big a deal of it.
I don't think they are cutting or compressing character developement, but rather expanding it. Jamie's reasons behind killing the king don't change from book 1 to when we read his perspective on it much later. + Show Spoiler [Jamie's character in books 3 an…] +
His biggest changes after his mishap with the Vargo Hoat are completely seperate from what he did back under King Aerys. He always viewed killing Aerys as an honorable act, and he knew he was kept close more as a prisoner to keep his father Lord Tywin in line than because he was a trusted guardian. So when the Lannisters were capturing King's Landing and he prevented Aery's from giving the order for it all to be burned with wildfire, he thought himself a hero. We just get to see his perspective a lot earlier, but it isn't something that changed over time. Jaime will still have plenty of moments to be hated over the next few seasons.
With no point of view and no access to characters thoughts like the books have, the characters can't be given completely different motivations for their past actions, several seasons from now. Lot's of the story which is described via memories in the book will have to be done as it happens or via discussions like these or left out all together.
" "I would let his whole tribe f--- you, all 40,000 men and their horses, if that's what it took." Now, I don't think we'll see be seeing that actually happen on Thrones, but I wouldn't put it past Starz' Spartacus." The guy who writes the EW recaps is awesome.
On May 03 2011 05:43 Drowsy wrote: " "I would let his whole tribe f--- you, all 40,000 men and their horses, if that's what it took." Now, I don't think we'll see be seeing that actually happen on Thrones, but I wouldn't put it past Starz' Spartacus." The guy who writes the EW recaps is awesome.
my favorite in the last recap was : "Littlefinger apologizes for the location, while topless prostitutes wander uninvited into the room (this had no story point, but showed us just enough skin to give HBO an excuse to "warn" viewers there's nudity this week during its content disclaimer)"
I just watched the third episode since I wasn't able to last night. So it it just me or did the third episode just feel..boring? I swear it was almost awkward at times. If people disagree I'll give my reasons with detail but as far as I'm concerned, the book is much better thus far.
This is just my opinion and no I'm not bashing the show. I guess I just had higher expectations and we'll see how it goes next week.
So I finally watched the 3 episodes, and I really enjoyed it. As a long-time fan of the books, many things were exactly as I imagined them, the casting is for the most part excellent.
Arya has to be my favorite character so far. Maisie Williams is an amazing actress for her age, totally stealing every scene she is in - a big contrast to Sansa who isn't nearly as great. Tyrion is hilarious as was to be expected, I've loved Dinklage in every role I've seen him. It kinda bothered me that both of these characters were described to be "ugly" in the books and they really aren't, but they captured the spirits of the characters so well that I quickly forgot about it.
Cersei on the other hand falls completely flat so far, she just doesn't have the presence I imagined her to have. Any Dany scenes leave me bored and unimpressed, but it was the same with the books really. Never liked her character, and the show did nothing to change that.
And yes, the pacing feels rushed so far. Cramming the first book into just 10 episodes does that, so its understandable but still feels a bit awkward at times. For example, I felt like we didn't get a proper "feel" of the King's Landing: just a few halls, gates and a brothel. It's supposed to be this huge capital city, but it didn't really feel like it at all. But I guess this is something they can build on in further episodes.
hehe it is the same like everytime, the series/movie can be good but if you jave red the book before it becomes trash in comparison...alwaysa watch the animated medium 1st since books are always better.
He confuses the white walkers and the wildlings, but otherwise grasped most of the major points other than Littlefinger's name and thinking Tyrion won that dagger by winning the tournament himself.
I stopped watching before 3 minute mark... I rather watch the episode 7 more times than listen to him for 30 minutes, by far.
they are recaps rather than reviews but the commentary is really good for ep 1 and 2 they are linked at the end of the recap
On May 03 2011 07:00 floor exercise wrote:
to Quote the recap once more "Meanwhile, everybody's favorite adorable psychotic Arya is stabbing the breakfast table with a big knife and pretending its Joffrey's smirking smirky smirk face."
EPT
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