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Mafe
Germany5966 Posts
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
On April 17 2014 20:47 Mafe wrote: Stupid theorycraft: If king dies without a son/daughter, but his wife is currently pregnant, where does the child fit into the line of succession once he/she is born? I believe the child will eventually inherit the throne when they come of age. A regent probably presides over things until then. | ||
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Scorch
Austria3371 Posts
On April 17 2014 20:05 TerransHill wrote: I dont think Kwark is way off. How is it against Tywinns character? As you stated he would never harm his own family but Joffrey was a danger and just ignoring that wouldve harmed his family. He always talked about how you have to make sacrifices for the greater good of the family. And he had 2 options here: Let the whole family go down or kill one of their members. And Tywinn is just the one who would make such an extreme decision. Agreed. Tywin does everything for the family. By that he means not the well-being of the individual family members but the position and legacy of House Lannister as a whole. Joffrey was a threat to the latter because he made terrible decisions on a whim. At any point, he could have had his advisors killed, run the kingdom into bancruptcy, offended another house, further turned the people against him to the point of an uprising or started and lost a war. I'm sure Tywin would kill Joffrey to protect the family's interests in the big picture. | ||
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ShadeR
Australia7535 Posts
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Vesimias
Finland135 Posts
Although you have a point in that he wouldn't have known that when Tyrion was born, but I would still say that killing Joffrey would make the Lannisters stronger. Tyrells won't get their queen and Tywin can lead in peace, since Tommen is not a pompous sadistic twat. | ||
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kamicom
United States180 Posts
On April 17 2014 21:12 ShadeR wrote: And what good was dwarf baby Tyrion to Tywin? Killed his wife in childbirth and whose existence is a shame to the Lannister name. Only reason he wasn't tossed into a river as many deformed children would have is because he is a LAnnister and Tywin wouldn't do that to one. That's probably the nail in the coffin. There's no indication that Tywin changes characteristics, let alone anything that suggests he might be the culprit. OH! and i forgot about one thing. Since when the HELL was there a romantic relationship between Brienne and Jamie?? I thought at the most, it was a relationship of mutual respect. Am i the only one? | ||
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Leporello
United States2845 Posts
On April 17 2014 21:24 kamicom wrote: That's probably the nail in the coffin. There's no indication that Tywin changes characteristics, let alone anything that suggests he might be the culprit. OH! and i forgot about one thing. Since when the HELL was there a romantic relationship between Brienne and Jamie?? I thought at the most, it was a relationship of mutual respect. Am i the only one? It's not whether there is one, but whether there is a desire for one. After their adventure together, it's understandable that Brienne has some feelings for Jaime, and Cersei picked up on that. Brienne isn't a flirtatious sort, probably doesn't get to know a lot of men, and she got to know Jaime pretty well. | ||
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karazax
United States3737 Posts
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Vesimias
Finland135 Posts
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FrogOfWar
Germany1406 Posts
On April 17 2014 22:05 karazax wrote: It's odd that Cersei would "pick up" on Brienne having any feelings for Jaime, if she did. For one Brienne is pretty man-ish, so how much of a threat could Cersei consider her? More importantly, Cersei has barely interacted with Brienne, and I don't recall her ever interacting with Jaime and Brienne together. Even viewers who have seen all of the interactions between Brienne and Jaime haven't come to the conclusion that Brienne is in love with Jaime. So it was an odd thing for Cersei to say out of the blue. She knows they travelled together for a while and saved each other's lives. That should be enough for Cersei "I only fuck relatives cuz everyone else are enemies" Lannister to be jealous. Edit: I wouldn't say romantic relationship. Could be that she fancies him, she doesn't wear her heart on her sleeve, but the way she was stunned when Cersei mentioned the idea suggests there's something to it. Jaime on the other hand clearly wanted to get back together with Cersei. That was more important to him than having a "career" of some sort. | ||
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scoww
595 Posts
On April 17 2014 21:22 Vesimias wrote: Although you have a point in that he wouldn't have known that when Tyrion was born, but I would still say that killing Joffrey would make the Lannisters stronger. Tyrells won't get their queen and Tywin can lead in peace, since Tommen is not a pompous sadistic twat. The Lannister still need the Tyrells financial and military power who I don't think they will lift a finger for this "alliance" without the marriage, wich is now worth jack ... | ||
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TerransHill
Germany572 Posts
On April 17 2014 21:24 kamicom wrote: That's probably the nail in the coffin. There's no indication that Tywin changes characteristics, let alone anything that suggests he might be the culprit. How can you even compare baby Tyrion and Joffrey? Baby Tyrion was not a danger for the lannister family, there was no reason to kill him other than him being a dwarf. | ||
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kwizach
3658 Posts
In addition, I consider it extremely improbable for an intelligent woman like her to actually believe Tyrion was behind the murder. It seems very out-of-character from her to genuinely believe Tyrion did it. So she might have decided to frame him in advance, although I guess she couldn't have anticipated that Joffrey would make him the cup bearer. Of course, there are reasons why it might not have been her: she seemed to still love her son. I'm also not sure how exactly the assassination was carried out - it seems to me more probable that the wine was poisoned rather than the food (given how many people might have tasted the cake at different stages of its making), but then I'm not sure how she could have poisoned the wine unnoticed. It would also seem out-of-character from her to get the aid of Ser Dontos "Florian" (The Fool), yet he seems mixed up in this. I guess we'll have to see how things unfold ,-) By the way, I was a bit disappointed by Joffrey's death: it was a bit too quick/not humiliating enough :-D I would have preferred him to die in a confrontation with someone, getting slapped a couple of times first. | ||
sumsaR
Sweden1812 Posts
On April 17 2014 23:49 kwizach wrote: In addition, I consider it extremely improbable for an intelligent woman like her to actually believe Tyrion was behind the murder. It seems very out-of-character from her to genuinely believe Tyrion did it. So she might have decided to frame him in advance, although I guess she couldn't have anticipated that Joffrey would make him the cup bearer. In her mind Tyrion was out to get her, just like she was out to get him (likely due to that very reason). Tyrion was the one serving him his cup. It was a very short jump of conclusion for her, seeing how she practically wanted it to be him subconsciously (so she could put him to death). Had she been rational (which she's not), she would realise that's not really his style, and he'd very much not look so guilty had he actually done it (because really, why would you pick up the murder weapon if you're a likely suspect?). | ||
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ShadeR
Australia7535 Posts
But to be fair to her, Tyrion did go on that little "And your joy will turn to ashes" tirade. | ||
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Vesimias
Finland135 Posts
But of course, because Cersei is shocked about her son's death AND hates Tyrion, she thinks he is the killer. I bet she will continue to demand Tyrion's life for the murder of her son while everyone else looks for the right killer. I can almost imagine the bitching! I don't think Cersei is the one who poisoned Joffrey though, she loves her children, they are the only ones she loves in the world, as she said in the previous seasons. | ||
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ShadeR
Australia7535 Posts
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Yoav
United States1874 Posts
On April 17 2014 20:54 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: I believe the child will eventually inherit the throne when they come of age. A regent probably presides over things until then. Yeah, this happened historically with John I of France (14th C) and Alfonso XIII of Spain (19th C). But kinda a sucky situation, given rates of infant mortality... John I died within a week. | ||
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urboss
Austria1223 Posts
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
In retrospect this trailer now makes a lot of sense | ||
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