EPTOn April 17 2014 02:19 ZasZ. wrote:
Small point but Olenna is her grandmother and Mace Tyrell's mother.
Small point but Olenna is her grandmother and Mace Tyrell's mother.
Wut I thought Mace Tyrell was her grandfather lol :o
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SkelA
Macedonia13079 Posts
Wut I thought Mace Tyrell was her grandfather lol :o | ||
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kamicom
United States180 Posts
I don't remember what she said but I remember right when Joffrey started choking, she said something that was off-kilter. | ||
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urboss
Austria1223 Posts
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Assault_1
Canada1950 Posts
On April 17 2014 05:09 urboss wrote: its +1 day than that | ||
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Yoav
United States1874 Posts
On April 16 2014 13:24 Lord Tolkien wrote: Here's the S3 Lore video for the Lord of Light for some more info. As always, the comments MAY be dark and full of spoilers, if you visit the youtube page. I don't see one for this (currently), but care. Also, I would argue that it's much more Zoroastrian, which is where the Abrahamic religions and Manchiaeism derives its moral dualism between good and evil; a god of good and creation in an eternal struggle against an anti-thesis god of evil, with humanity playing an active role in the struggle. Heck, Zoroastrians have fire temples as their place of worship. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoroastrianism Trust me, I am the first to say that Zoroastrians get short shrift. But Manicaeism is heavily Zoroastrian based (light/fire imagery for good, for example), but chiefly differ in their evaluation of the created order. Zoroastrians consider the created order to be the creation of God, while the chaos is the desire of the devil-figure. (The language God/devil is the best available, but must be freed of the Christian understanding of God being omnipotent). Manichees, on the other hand, believe the created world to be an evil, and see a higher, spritual plane as the desirable state. Note the parallel to the basic disagreement between the religions considered "Western" (Islam, Christianity, Judaism, Zoroastrianism) and those considered "Eastern" (Buddhism, Hinduism) regarding whether the world is basically good or basically evil. Edit: Just watched the video. Is that kosher to post? A lot of information not in the series so far about Thoros. | ||
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ZasZ.
United States2911 Posts
No it's not? Today is Wednesday, and it airs on Sunday (in the US) 4.5 hours from now. That's 4 days 4.5 hours. | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12083 Posts
Also, I concede the point. The metaphysical aspect fits better for manchieasm. | ||
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Zandar
Netherlands1541 Posts
On April 17 2014 04:02 SkelA wrote: Wut I thought Mace Tyrell was her grandfather lol :o A funny moment was where Mace Tyrell wants to talk to Olenna and she just tells him "not now, I'm talking to lord Tywin" as if he was some little kid and not the lord of Highgarden. | ||
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Zandar
Netherlands1541 Posts
He even let baby Tyrion live just because he was a Lannister, while he really wanted to drown him in the sea. | ||
KwarK
United States43991 Posts
On April 17 2014 06:45 Zandar wrote: Reading up a bit, many people say Tywin could also be the poisoner, but I don't think so. He even let baby Tyrion live just because he was a Lannister, while he really wanted to drown him in the sea. For the good of the family. Joffrey may not necessarily be for the good of the family, he was getting harder to control by the day and Margaery was clearly gaining influence over him. | ||
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Excludos
Norway8257 Posts
On April 17 2014 07:01 KwarK wrote: For the good of the family. Joffrey may not necessarily be for the good of the family, he was getting harder to control by the day and Margaery was clearly gaining influence over him. That would be amazingly far out of character for Tywin. He does everything for his family, even if they are jerks or oppose him. He wouldn't poison the child of his daughter (and son). Like the commenter above said, he even didn't kill Tyrion, even though tyrion indirectly killed his wife by birth, and was born a dwarf. Tyrion is probably the person Tywin hates most in the entire world, and he still doesn't kill him because he's family. | ||
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Mafe
Germany5966 Posts
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
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Omnishroud
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On April 17 2014 07:05 Excludos wrote: That would be amazingly far out of character for Tywin. He does everything for his family, even if they are jerks or oppose him. He wouldn't poison the child of his daughter (and son). Like the commenter above said, he even didn't kill Tyrion, even though tyrion indirectly killed his wife by birth, and was born a dwarf. Tyrion is probably the person Tywin hates most in the entire world, and he still doesn't kill him because he's family. Tyrion was born a dwarf and indirectly killed his mother. Both things he was entirely irresponsible for. He has undertaken many things for the lannister family and does his duty in the name of it, he brings no shame or threat to the family whatsoever, he is, by all aspects, a loyal lannister. The only thing he's guilty of is liking whores, which all of westeros seems to partake in. What exactly would make it out of character for tywin to kill joffrey, the little prick who risks losing the entirety of the lannisters power, brings shame with his actions and is entirely bloodthirsty and near-impossible to control, causing exponential risk to the family and its name. Why in the world are these two things comparable? | ||
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Assault_1
Canada1950 Posts
On April 17 2014 05:28 ZasZ. wrote: No it's not? Today is Wednesday, and it airs on Sunday (in the US) 4.5 hours from now. That's 4 days 4.5 hours. um yes it is? that thing says 3 days 2 hours, its in 4 days and 2 hours edit: nvm he fixed it, you can see it in my quote though! | ||
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Dfgj
Singapore5922 Posts
On April 17 2014 07:36 Omnishroud wrote: Tyrion was born a dwarf and indirectly killed his mother. Both things he was entirely irresponsible for. He has undertaken many things for the lannister family and does his duty in the name of it, he brings no shame or threat to the family whatsoever, he is, by all aspects, a loyal lannister. The only thing he's guilty of is liking whores, which all of westeros seems to partake in. What exactly would make it out of character for tywin to kill joffrey, the little prick who risks losing the entirety of the lannisters power, brings shame with his actions and is entirely bloodthirsty and near-impossible to control, causing exponential risk to the family and its name. Why in the world are these two things comparable? Don't know about that, we saw right from the start of S1 that he has a reputation as a whoring drunkard. Not the most honorable appearance at all. Tywin brings it back up in S3 when Tyrion asks for his position of inheritance. | ||
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Emnjay808
United States10665 Posts
On April 17 2014 07:12 Mafe wrote: One question I wonder about is: Why would -whoever did it- kill Joffrey at his wedding, when so many eyes could have watched him? I mean circumstances are very different from Robb here: Most of Joffreys presumed killers should have a much easier time killing him at some other point (While Robb was out of reach for his enemies until he entered the Frey castle). Is this not only a murder, but also message at the same time? A public death makes it easier to manipulate the witnesses as to who the real culprit is. Thats why Sansa and the Fool skedaddled asap, even though they may have nothing to do with it. They had to avoid on-the-scene accusations so people dont start jumping the blame-wagon. Point in case, look at Cersei and Tyrion. She calls him out in front of everyone after Joffrey points at him, what do you think the witnesses will think after seeing that? | ||
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
On April 17 2014 08:02 Emnjay808 wrote: Point in case, look at Cersei and Tyrion. She calls him out in front of everyone after Joffrey points at him, what do you think the witnesses will think after seeing that? That Joffrey was pointing at the realm's new king and that Cercei wanted him smexy for the ceremony, obviously. | ||
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LaNague
Germany9118 Posts
On April 17 2014 07:01 KwarK wrote: For the good of the family. Joffrey may not necessarily be for the good of the family, he was getting harder to control by the day and Margaery was clearly gaining influence over him. yeah but what good does killing him like this do to his family. His one son gets accused of the murder, his other son gets accused of failing to protect his king as the bodyguard commander, his daughter probably goes crazymode. | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
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