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Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
October 02 2012 04:57 GMT
#4101
I just watched the first episode. It was the first Dexter episode I didn't like. Idk, it just felt so flat. I'm still gonna keep watching though. Hopefully the writers haven't run out of steam, and better stuff lies ahead.
whatevername
Profile Joined June 2012
471 Posts
October 02 2012 05:35 GMT
#4102
On October 02 2012 13:54 Dave[9] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2012 10:59 Racetrack wrote:
This series can only end in two ways to not disappoint me:

a) he gets caught
b) incest ending

Anything else and I will be sad


They aren't blood related, kinda just awkward "we grew up together since we were 4" sex.
Thats actually the entire psychological reason incest is a taboo. Its why childhood friends usually say something like "ew id never, hes like a brother!".
Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
October 02 2012 08:00 GMT
#4103
Really great episode. I love the tension so much, I've been waiting for this since season 1.
i was driving down the road this november eve and spotted a hitchhiker walking down the street. i pulled over and saw that it was only a tree. i uprooted it and put it in my trunk. do trees like marshmallow peeps? cause that's all i have and will have.
Nizaris
Profile Joined May 2010
Belgium2230 Posts
October 02 2012 08:28 GMT
#4104
About time Deb figured it out.

I lol'd when he took the chick fingerprint with his iphone...
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9448 Posts
October 02 2012 08:34 GMT
#4105
On October 02 2012 13:57 Chairman Ray wrote:
I just watched the first episode. It was the first Dexter episode I didn't like. Idk, it just felt so flat. I'm still gonna keep watching though. Hopefully the writers haven't run out of steam, and better stuff lies ahead.


?
Rannasha
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Netherlands2398 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-02 09:47:15
October 02 2012 09:46 GMT
#4106
On October 02 2012 08:52 Pyskee wrote:
As a criminal justice major and someone that plans to be a detective in the future, this show is almost insulting. Is Dexter the only fucking person in that entire department that is good at his job? A cop just got killed -- something that would usually get the whole force worked up into a state-wide manhunt -- and we got the two stooges and Masuka over here handling it. While the former are off drinking, the latter is sifting through useless paperwork and all the while Dexter finds and kills the guy before the day is done. I understand Dexter broke into the guy's apartment, checked his laptop, and other things that violated the fourth amendment, but he's a vigilante; I get that, so he'll be able to do things regular cops can't. But nobody checks the turn signal?! Dexter is really the only person capable of figuring that gem out? These detectives have decades of experience combined and they all decide to look for fingerprints everywhere but the turn signal?

(emphasis mine)

You shouldn't watch tv series / movies that match your field of study/work and expect it to be even remotely accurate. As mathematician/physicist who also dabbles in computer science, there are many series and movies where the (computer) science is so excruciatingly bad that it turns something that appears be serious to the general audience into a comedy for people with expert knowledge.

----------

Anyway, for the episode. I have mixed feelings. On one hand the whole reveal thing was pretty cool and leaves you wondering how on earth Dex is going to clean up the mess with Deb, LaGuerta, The Crazy Intern and Team Special Tactics on his tail. The performances of the actors (Hall & Carpenter) was pretty good too. But there were many moments of very sloppy writing / storytelling that were quite distracting.

Mike just happens to run into the mobster having car trouble. Nice coincidence there. Furthermore, after the guy repeatedly says that he doesn't need help, Mike keeps insisting ("it's okay, I'm a cop") and just barges forward opening the guys trunk. It's just a far too easy way to start up this storyline, with a sequence of unlikely coincidences.

Dexters finding of the killers fingerprint I can live with. Regular CSI may have missed a spot and Dexter is portrayed as being better at this than all the rest. But then he finds a laptop that is not password protected in any way, where he can just open the browser history and find the flight the guy is taking? If I were on the run for double homicide (including a cop-kill), I'd take 2 minutes to ensure that when the police inevitably searches my apartment, they have to do more than just start my laptop to find exactly where I went.

Then the whole airport scene is just weird. In a large city like Miami, Dexter just happens to run into the guy as he enters the toilet. Talk about right place, right time (for Dexter at least). Oh and the toilet happens to be empty and noone is walking by as Dexter rolls his unconscious victim in a wheelchair underneath the "closed" sign. Then he proceeds to do the kill in a quiet corner of the airport. Sure, it's unlikely that anyone would enter, but it's still extremely risky and completely against Dexters code. Dex may be stressed out, but he's been in trouble before and he's never been this risky. Again, it reeks of lazy writing, because the typical Dexter kill involves incredible planning and observation and it is this process that seems to give Dexter already enough anticipation to at least temporarily satisfy his dark passenger, at least in earlier seasons. And even other rush-jobs that he did, were more believable than the scenario painted here.

Deb trying to connect the dots was for the most part fine. With one major exception, which was apparently also the major clue that Deb needed to search Dexters place: The "working late alibi". When your sister and (probably) best friend works at the same place you do (and it's a friggin police station), you have to assume that the alibi of "working late" isn't going to work forever. Sooner or later she would find a discrepancy in it. It so happens that this first occurred just after Deb found out that Dexter killed someone, but the whole scene of Debrah looking for Dexter, calling the babysitter who says that Dex is working late, while Deb knows he isn't, could've happened a long time ago. If you need an alibi, pick something that doesn't directly involve the people who may be looking for you. Pretend to be part of some lame sports club that noone wants to know about.

So like I said, mixed feelings about the episode. There were pretty cool parts and I definitely want to see how the story will unfold, but the amount of lazy writing in this episode did dampen the fun. Of course, it's a show about a serial killer working for the police, so some coincidences need to be there to keep the story running, but earlier seasons seemed to be more believable and consistent.
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GhostLink
Profile Joined January 2011
United States450 Posts
October 02 2012 09:53 GMT
#4107

On October 02 2012 08:52 Pyskee wrote:
As a criminal justice major and someone that plans to be a detective in the future, this show is almost insulting. Is Dexter the only fucking person in that entire department that is good at his job? A cop just got killed -- something that would usually get the whole force worked up into a state-wide manhunt -- and we got the two stooges and Masuka over here handling it. While the former are off drinking, the latter is sifting through useless paperwork and all the while Dexter finds and kills the guy before the day is done. I understand Dexter broke into the guy's apartment, checked his laptop, and other things that violated the fourth amendment, but he's a vigilante; I get that, so he'll be able to do things regular cops can't. But nobody checks the turn signal?! Dexter is really the only person capable of figuring that gem out? These detectives have decades of experience combined and they all decide to look for fingerprints everywhere but the turn signal?


I would say Dexter wiped the turn signal after he checked it for a print.


Let a man play chess, and tell him that every pawn is his friend. Let him think both bishops holy. Let him remember happy days in the shadows of his castles. Let him love his queen. Watch him lose them all.
i99
Profile Joined February 2012
United States362 Posts
October 02 2012 10:02 GMT
#4108
On October 02 2012 08:52 Pyskee wrote:
Why the Hell am I still watching this show? Season five was bad, season six was bad, and now this season comes back with the same, stale writing and horrible characters and cliched plot twists. Maybe I just want it to be good, like how it was when I first started watching it :\

As a criminal justice major and someone that plans to be a detective in the future, this show is almost insulting. Is Dexter the only fucking person in that entire department that is good at his job? A cop just got killed -- something that would usually get the whole force worked up into a state-wide manhunt -- and we got the two stooges and Masuka over here handling it. While the former are off drinking, the latter is sifting through useless paperwork and all the while Dexter finds and kills the guy before the day is done. I understand Dexter broke into the guy's apartment, checked his laptop, and other things that violated the fourth amendment, but he's a vigilante; I get that, so he'll be able to do things regular cops can't. But nobody checks the turn signal?! Dexter is really the only person capable of figuring that gem out? These detectives have decades of experience combined and they all decide to look for fingerprints everywhere but the turn signal?

I also loved the AFIS app for his iPhone XD

It's a real shame they killed off the new cop. He was the only other reasonably competent detective in the show and he gets killed after having just enough lines to start to see some potential. But as someone earlier in this thread said, every black person on this show dies :\




so do you not understand how tv shows work? Whats next you're telling me CSI isn't really able to identify people from a reflection on a penny?
pugowar
Profile Joined January 2010
United States142 Posts
October 02 2012 11:39 GMT
#4109
On October 02 2012 18:46 Rannasha wrote:

Anyway, for the episode. I have mixed feelings. On one hand the whole reveal thing was pretty cool and leaves you wondering how on earth Dex is going to clean up the mess with Deb, LaGuerta, The Crazy Intern and Team Special Tactics on his tail. The performances of the actors (Hall & Carpenter) was pretty good too. But there were many moments of very sloppy writing / storytelling that were quite distracting.

Mike just happens to run into the mobster having car trouble. Nice coincidence there. Furthermore, after the guy repeatedly says that he doesn't need help, Mike keeps insisting ("it's okay, I'm a cop") and just barges forward opening the guys trunk. It's just a far too easy way to start up this storyline, with a sequence of unlikely coincidences.


Just because something is unlikely doesn't mean it cannot happen. Mike is a person who enjoys helping others, and wanted to help - thinking the guy was nervous to have a big black dude stop and get out of his car. Which is why he said he was a cop. If the car didn't break down, they would have never caught him.

Dexters finding of the killers fingerprint I can live with. Regular CSI may have missed a spot and Dexter is portrayed as being better at this than all the rest. But then he finds a laptop that is not password protected in any way, where he can just open the browser history and find the flight the guy is taking? If I were on the run for double homicide (including a cop-kill), I'd take 2 minutes to ensure that when the police inevitably searches my apartment, they have to do more than just start my laptop to find exactly where I went.


Actually - I don't know if you have ever done a double homicide before (esp one including a cop) but it seems pretty reasonable to me that the dude was freaking out and was just trying to get away as quickly as possible. When you are freaked, it is harder to pay attention to details and some get lost in the shuffle.

Then the whole airport scene is just weird. In a large city like Miami, Dexter just happens to run into the guy as he enters the toilet. Talk about right place, right time (for Dexter at least). Oh and the toilet happens to be empty and noone is walking by as Dexter rolls his unconscious victim in a wheelchair underneath the "closed" sign. Then he proceeds to do the kill in a quiet corner of the airport. Sure, it's unlikely that anyone would enter, but it's still extremely risky and completely against Dexters code. Dex may be stressed out, but he's been in trouble before and he's never been this risky. Again, it reeks of lazy writing, because the typical Dexter kill involves incredible planning and observation and it is this process that seems to give Dexter already enough anticipation to at least temporarily satisfy his dark passenger, at least in earlier seasons. And even other rush-jobs that he did, were more believable than the scenario painted here.


Your right - this is against dexters code. As dexter becomes more preoccupied with Deb, his attention to detail and thought process could be becoming warped. He could think he is doing it by his code when he really isn't. He changed many things about the kill - not using plastic, bshing the head etc, so if the scene is found, it wont look like him. He didn't even take a blood sample. In short Deb is forcing him to evolve at an uncomfortable rate - and they are showing it. Of course - they could have had him kill the guy in the woods or someplace else boring but they thought this was a cool (and yes a bit unrealistic) way to kill him.

Deb trying to connect the dots was for the most part fine. With one major exception, which was apparently also the major clue that Deb needed to search Dexters place: The "working late alibi". When your sister and (probably) best friend works at the same place you do (and it's a friggin police station), you have to assume that the alibi of "working late" isn't going to work forever. Sooner or later she would find a discrepancy in it. It so happens that this first occurred just after Deb found out that Dexter killed someone, but the whole scene of Debrah looking for Dexter, calling the babysitter who says that Dex is working late, while Deb knows he isn't, could've happened a long time ago. If you need an alibi, pick something that doesn't directly involve the people who may be looking for you. Pretend to be part of some lame sports club that noone wants to know about.


Dexter thinks he is smarter then everyone else. He also had no reason to ever think that anyone would start to look at him. Maybe this was a giant flaw in his plan - but like most geniuses they cannot see flaws in their own plan. However it isn't just a police station - there are hundreds of cops there and cops are not at the station that much - going out to collect evidence and interview and arrest. Their schedules are set like a normal job and everyone is working different cases so there is no way to keep tabs on anyone. Dexter has been operating this way for what 20 years? without a problem. Deb has consistently - through out the show- looked at things other have looked at and pieced them together. Before Deb was just another cop - but now she is the captain she looks at higher level working in the station and figured it out.

So like I said, mixed feelings about the episode. There were pretty cool parts and I definitely want to see how the story will unfold, but the amount of lazy writing in this episode did dampen the fun. Of course, it's a show about a serial killer working for the police, so some coincidences need to be there to keep the story running, but earlier seasons seemed to be more believable and consistent.


I don't know why people say this - each season has been a bit unbelievable. tell me which season was believable? Maybe the season where dexter has a wife and still has time to stay out all night murdering people? Maybe the season(s) where just as the cop in question finds out enough evidence to almost catch Dexter they die?

This is a fun show that if you guys stop trying to come up with clever ways to tear it down, you might enjoy a bit more.
Gooooooooooo Sparkyz!
Figgy
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada1788 Posts
October 02 2012 14:40 GMT
#4110
On October 02 2012 14:35 whatevername wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2012 13:54 Dave[9] wrote:
On October 02 2012 10:59 Racetrack wrote:
This series can only end in two ways to not disappoint me:

a) he gets caught
b) incest ending

Anything else and I will be sad


They aren't blood related, kinda just awkward "we grew up together since we were 4" sex.
Thats actually the entire psychological reason incest is a taboo. Its why childhood friends usually say something like "ew id never, hes like a brother!".


Not even close.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inbreeding
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Mr.Faces
Profile Joined June 2012
United States121 Posts
October 02 2012 14:55 GMT
#4111
On October 02 2012 23:40 Figgy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2012 14:35 whatevername wrote:
Thats actually the entire psychological reason incest is a taboo. Its why childhood friends usually say something like "ew id never, hes like a brother!".


Not even close.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inbreeding[/QUOTE]

He's referring to the PSYCHOLOGICAL REASON, not the genetical/physical. And, he's also referring to possible sex between childhood friends, not actual family members.
I shall prevail
Mr.Faces
Profile Joined June 2012
United States121 Posts
October 02 2012 15:05 GMT
#4112
Did anyone else miss the part where Dexter forgets Mr.ComputerExpert is found at his computer. That doesn't raise his keen detective senses? Or perhaps he was too stressed about having his fix and hiding his true self from deb but...either way, when his credit cards get denied on the way to the airport...doesn't that get him wondering?
I shall prevail
pugowar
Profile Joined January 2010
United States142 Posts
October 02 2012 15:18 GMT
#4113
On October 03 2012 00:05 Mr.Faces wrote:
Did anyone else miss the part where Dexter forgets Mr.ComputerExpert is found at his computer. That doesn't raise his keen detective senses? Or perhaps he was too stressed about having his fix and hiding his true self from deb but...either way, when his credit cards get denied on the way to the airport...doesn't that get him wondering?


I am sure it will next episode.
Gooooooooooo Sparkyz!
theKingUK
Profile Joined October 2012
United Kingdom5 Posts
October 02 2012 15:27 GMT
#4114
Love this show so much, cant wait till next week now! Shit gonna hit the fan
Kazeyonoma
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2912 Posts
October 02 2012 15:40 GMT
#4115
so glad it's back and enjoying it. @pugowar, yeah there's gonna be people who tear down good shows no matter where you go, don't stray over to the walking dead thread when it comes back, you'll fight all season with people about 'not enough zombies' or 'not realistic'... it's a zombie apocalypse... but ooookay.

i'm so excited about this season... i'm sad it's ending in the next season but that means the writers can start planning for the end game, something that I feel makes shows ramp up and get better if the writers are good (think Dollhouse season 2... so good)
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zalz
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Netherlands3704 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-02 15:56:00
October 02 2012 15:55 GMT
#4116
I usually lock the trunk of my car.

Were I to transport a dead prostitute, I might be more inclined to make sure my trunk is locked.


Also, gotta love Deb's line:

"We are looking for one shooter minimum."

Gee, you think, captain?
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24807 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-02 16:51:11
October 02 2012 16:50 GMT
#4117
On October 03 2012 00:55 zalz wrote:
I usually lock the trunk of my car.

Were I to transport a dead prostitute, I might be more inclined to make sure my trunk is locked.


Also, gotta love Deb's line:

"We are looking for one shooter minimum."

Gee, you think, captain?

I didn't notice the line during the show, but analyzing it now:

If it was like "we are looking for one shooter.... minimum" it means "don't assume there is just 1 person even though that is likely". Still kinda silly but not as ridiculous as it sounds out of context.

Unless the context which I'm not remembering does indeed point in a different direction...
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Sonic Boom
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
29 Posts
October 02 2012 20:45 GMT
#4118
On October 02 2012 20:39 pugowar wrote:Your right - this is against dexters code. As dexter becomes more preoccupied with Deb, his attention to detail and thought process could be becoming warped. He could think he is doing it by his code when he really isn't. He changed many things about the kill - not using plastic, bshing the head etc, so if the scene is found, it wont look like him. He didn't even take a blood sample. In short Deb is forcing him to evolve at an uncomfortable rate - and they are showing it. Of course - they could have had him kill the guy in the woods or someplace else boring but they thought this was a cool (and yes a bit unrealistic) way to kill him.


Don't forget he also simply ties him up with some strap belts with no plastic so how the fuck would he clean shit up.
Cloud9157
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2968 Posts
October 02 2012 21:02 GMT
#4119
On October 03 2012 05:45 Sonic Boom wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2012 20:39 pugowar wrote:Your right - this is against dexters code. As dexter becomes more preoccupied with Deb, his attention to detail and thought process could be becoming warped. He could think he is doing it by his code when he really isn't. He changed many things about the kill - not using plastic, bshing the head etc, so if the scene is found, it wont look like him. He didn't even take a blood sample. In short Deb is forcing him to evolve at an uncomfortable rate - and they are showing it. Of course - they could have had him kill the guy in the woods or someplace else boring but they thought this was a cool (and yes a bit unrealistic) way to kill him.


Don't forget he also simply ties him up with some strap belts with no plastic so how the fuck would he clean shit up.


Which is exactly why he put a bag over the guy's head and bashed it in with a fire extinguisher. Blood drips into bag>dispose of bag along with body>go home satisfied.
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whatevername
Profile Joined June 2012
471 Posts
October 02 2012 21:28 GMT
#4120
I find it a weirdly consistent behaviour in fans of Dexter, constantly screaming how its a "plot hole" when dexter acts impulsively or counter to harrys code: How, exactly? Serial killers dont differ from M.O ever? Not even under stress? Yes, they in fact do. Its an accurate portrayl to show Dexter have a ritual, a preferred type to kill [white male criminals] yet having, underladden all that effort to remain organized, an impulsive and psychological need to simple kill people. Hes killed innocent people before due to sloppyness or outright rage [that guy he beat to death after Rita died IIRC...was definitely season 4]. Hes taken extreme risks.

Anyway, my little rant.
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