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On November 22 2011 12:45 Elegy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2011 11:47 dazed wrote:On November 22 2011 11:28 Corvi wrote:
how can u still discuss if gellar is real or not. did travis knockout himself, then kill his sister and then chain and torture himself or what ... >_<
gellar being the counterpart to dexters father wouldnt make sense anyway, because his father did never have any impact on the real world, but just speaking some (boring) words of wisdom. Thats true BUT DAMN!!!!!!!! how the hell did Gellar get away from Dexter? Seriously??? Gellar is an old fat fart while dexter is young (relatively) and somewhat athletic. Dexter should be able to easily chase after the guy and tackle and manhandle him. somewhat athletic? Isn't Dexter highly trained in martial arts? I remember him wiping the floor with Doakes without breaking a sweat from season 1....
In the show he uses a lot of BJJ moves, so yes, he is highly trained. We know that his father gave him basic training, but more likely he picked up the BJJ in college. One has to wonder how he has time to be in such great shape while being so busy, hehe. I suppose killing people is quite the work out.
Actually, I think it was stated in one of the episodes that he studied 'advanced jiu jitsu' in college.
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On November 22 2011 14:20 shinosai wrote:Actually, I think it was stated in one of the episodes that he studied 'advanced jiu jitsu' in college.
Yeah when doakes was stalking him he asked dexter why he was taking BJJ classes in college.
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On November 22 2011 11:28 Corvi wrote:
how can u still discuss if gellar is real or not. did travis knockout himself, then kill his sister and then chain and torture himself or what ... >_<
gellar being the counterpart to dexters father wouldnt make sense anyway, because his father did never have any impact on the real world, but just speaking some (boring) words of wisdom.
Yes, actually, that is all extremely plausible. Same type of thing happened in Fight Club; don't see why it couldn't happen in another form of media. Even in real cases of DID, many of them can't remember anything in the time period they were their other self.
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Every episode I hate Deborah more.
abllarghagharg kill her Dexter kill herrrr.
Also kill Laguerta too.
Also there is no way The Professor is real. He interacts with ZEROOOOO!!!!!!! other characters besides Crazy Ol' Mini Tom Hanks. And by interacting I don't mean cutting somebody up off camera... I mean like how Mini Tom Hanks talks to his sister, dexter, etc... He's blacking out, performing the rituals then coming back to consciousness and seeing imaginary Professor.
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Gellar is 100% still a figment of Travis' imagination imo. Something happened to Travis that we as the audience can't quite pinpoint; perhaps it was the death of his parents, perhaps the death of Gellar, perhaps something else. Whatever the reason, this traumatic event lead to Travis developing a split personality - his normal self, and Gellar (when he blacks out and performs the rituals).
This "Gellar Personality" isn't fully separate from "Good Travis", which is why Travis can interact with his "Dark Passenger" (Gellar) in the form of a hallucination. What we are witnessing is Travis' Dark Passenger slowly consuming his good side. His good side held tried to hold out the best it could (ie: letting the original "whore of babylon" go), but in the end, the Dark Passenger began taking him over again (he blacked out, killed his sister, chained himself to the floor).
I'd say it is likely that the Dark Passenger, after killing Travis' sister, is now the dominant personality. As for the torture, well I'd say it didn't physically happen, and is instead representative of the now-dominant Dark Passenger psychologically lashing out at the previously dominant "Good Travis". We don't see any wounds on Travis from Dexter's perspective as far as I can remember. I'm guessing that the Dark side of Travis will continue to try to protect itself through subterfuge, but it will eventually fully take Travis over, forcing Dexter to kill him.
Actually the other possibility is that there will be a big showdown in which Travis "kills" Gellar, possibly because Dexter "shows him the light" (and then has a big wishy washy brother-Sam-memory scene), and then the camera pans out to reveal that *gasp* - Gellar isn't real!
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At this point I feel like it doesn't make any sense if Gellar is real, or if he is not real. He's done things which defy logic for one human being to have done on his own, like chain himself to a grate and then somehow walk over to the fire and grab a hot poker to torture himself. I mean, really?
However, he's also never been seen by anyone besides Travis, and he seems to practically be a spectre able to appear and disappear at will.
Conclusion: I don't know what the writers have decided, but I think they've done a bad job teasing us about it this whole way, creating more plot holes for themselves and neglecting what could have been a far more interesting study into the characters of Travis (if he indeed is deranged) or Gellar (if he indeed is alive). This should have been revealed 2-3 episodes ago.
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On November 22 2011 17:51 Steemer wrote:
Gellar is 100% still a figment of Travis' imagination imo. Something happened to Travis that we as the audience can't quite pinpoint; perhaps it was the death of his parents, perhaps the death of Gellar, perhaps something else. Whatever the reason, this traumatic event lead to Travis developing a split personality - his normal self, and Gellar (when he blacks out and performs the rituals).
This "Gellar Personality" isn't fully separate from "Good Travis", which is why Travis can interact with his "Dark Passenger" (Gellar) in the form of a hallucination. What we are witnessing is Travis' Dark Passenger slowly consuming his good side. His good side held tried to hold out the best it could (ie: letting the original "whore of babylon" go), but in the end, the Dark Passenger began taking him over again (he blacked out, killed his sister, chained himself to the floor).
I'd say it is likely that the Dark Passenger, after killing Travis' sister, is now the dominant personality. As for the torture, well I'd say it didn't physically happen, and is instead representative of the now-dominant Dark Passenger psychologically lashing out at the previously dominant "Good Travis". We don't see any wounds on Travis from Dexter's perspective as far as I can remember. I'm guessing that the Dark side of Travis will continue to try to protect itself through subterfuge, but it will eventually fully take Travis over, forcing Dexter to kill him.
Actually the other possibility is that there will be a big showdown in which Travis "kills" Gellar, possibly because Dexter "shows him the light" (and then has a big wishy washy brother-Sam-memory scene), and then the camera pans out to reveal that *gasp* - Gellar isn't real!
i agree with this. not sure how they will reveal this, but hopefully it doesn't disappoint
at first, i thought when dexter was going to the church at the end, he was going to see travis burning/marking himself, but then that was squashed cuz of them hearing the car (sneaky dexter :S)
but no worries, prly a bit too early anyways, can't see them revealing the travis/gellar mystery till near the very end of the season
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On November 22 2011 17:51 Steemer wrote:
Gellar is 100% still a figment of Travis' imagination imo. Something happened to Travis that we as the audience can't quite pinpoint; perhaps it was the death of his parents, perhaps the death of Gellar, perhaps something else. Whatever the reason, this traumatic event lead to Travis developing a split personality - his normal self, and Gellar (when he blacks out and performs the rituals).
This "Gellar Personality" isn't fully separate from "Good Travis", which is why Travis can interact with his "Dark Passenger" (Gellar) in the form of a hallucination. What we are witnessing is Travis' Dark Passenger slowly consuming his good side. His good side held tried to hold out the best it could (ie: letting the original "whore of babylon" go), but in the end, the Dark Passenger began taking him over again (he blacked out, killed his sister, chained himself to the floor).
I'd say it is likely that the Dark Passenger, after killing Travis' sister, is now the dominant personality. As for the torture, well I'd say it didn't physically happen, and is instead representative of the now-dominant Dark Passenger psychologically lashing out at the previously dominant "Good Travis". We don't see any wounds on Travis from Dexter's perspective as far as I can remember. I'm guessing that the Dark side of Travis will continue to try to protect itself through subterfuge, but it will eventually fully take Travis over, forcing Dexter to kill him.
Actually the other possibility is that there will be a big showdown in which Travis "kills" Gellar, possibly because Dexter "shows him the light" (and then has a big wishy washy brother-Sam-memory scene), and then the camera pans out to reveal that *gasp* - Gellar isn't real!
If this is true it gives quite the dilema for dexter. Can he simply kill travis or will we get the ending you just described ( I hope not). IT would be intresting if dexter feel that travis fits into the code. If we go by the previous seasons the main killer has to die maybe travis will tell dexter to kill him when he realizes what is going on.
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Debra is such a bad actor, and such a stupid role itself.
Well nice series anyway.
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Steemer's idea is possible but honestly I don't think thats where it's going. At least I hope it isn't because that would be lame.
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On November 23 2011 02:23 dOTY wrote:
Debra is such a bad actor, and such a stupid role itself.
Well nice series anyway.
what are you serious? She pretty much is my favorite character (after dexter). The relation between debra and dexter is really cool. I always keep wondering of he will ever tell her what kind of person he is, and how she will take it.
I mean they kind of played with the idea in the beginning(or a season ago), when she kinda of like it to kill the dude...
ah well... =)
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Netherlands13554 Posts
I also really don't see the problem people have with Debra in pretty much every season. I think she's a good character.
Laguerta really needs to go though but she should've went in S1. Apart from Laguerta, Quinn is kinda annoying but other than those 2 I don't mind any of the characters. Debra is there for a reason. Imagine a Dexter without Debra, yeah it would be good, but less good.
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On November 23 2011 09:21 Twisted wrote:
I also really don't see the problem people have with Debra in pretty much every season. I think she's a good character.
Laguerta really needs to go though but she should've went in S1. Apart from Laguerta, Quinn is kinda annoying but other than those 2 I don't mind any of the characters. Debra is there for a reason. Imagine a Dexter without Debra, yeah it would be good, but less good.
Yeah you are very right, Laguerta is terrible. I dont mind Quinn, but i would rather want doakes 
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On November 23 2011 09:26 aderum wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2011 09:21 Twisted wrote:
I also really don't see the problem people have with Debra in pretty much every season. I think she's a good character.
Laguerta really needs to go though but she should've went in S1. Apart from Laguerta, Quinn is kinda annoying but other than those 2 I don't mind any of the characters. Debra is there for a reason. Imagine a Dexter without Debra, yeah it would be good, but less good. Yeah you are very right, Laguerta is terrible. I dont mind Quinn, but i would rather want doakes
Suprise Motha Fucka.
I like both Quinn and THIS Season's Deb (previous ones were slutty and annoying as hell). As for laguerta, wow, I've always hated her with a passion.
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On November 23 2011 09:29 Titan107 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2011 09:26 aderum wrote:On November 23 2011 09:21 Twisted wrote:
I also really don't see the problem people have with Debra in pretty much every season. I think she's a good character.
Laguerta really needs to go though but she should've went in S1. Apart from Laguerta, Quinn is kinda annoying but other than those 2 I don't mind any of the characters. Debra is there for a reason. Imagine a Dexter without Debra, yeah it would be good, but less good. Yeah you are very right, Laguerta is terrible. I dont mind Quinn, but i would rather want doakes Suprise Motha Fucka. I like both Quinn and THIS Season's Deb (previous ones were slutty and annoying as hell). As for laguerta, wow, I've always hated her with a passion.
Haha lol, that caught me completely off guard...
But I guess laguerta is there for us to hate, a good story always need someone who people just hate.. but yeah, i just feels that she is boring and predictable...
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MURICA15980 Posts
Misuka is the best side character, besides the fact that he is supposedly Korean but with what is clearly a Japanese name.
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doesn't the girl that travis let go speak of two people? if thats the case, its travis and geller...unless travis was changing personality constantly and changing his voice, it seems geller being travis seems implausible. (i think too many holes to make geller, travis's imagination)
who is laguerta covering for? i was assuming for someone higher up (politician's son messing around or something) but someone mentioned batista w/ dead hooker...did i miss something?
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Whether Geller is real or not is almost irrelevant as the simple fact that so many people are either unsure (or come down hard on either side of the issue) means the writers are doing their jobs pretty well 
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but youre supposed to hate laguerta?
I think they do a nice job of capturing the essence of annoying ass boss and yall complain.
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On November 23 2011 09:36 Klogon wrote:
Misuka is the best side character, besides the fact that he is supposedly Korean but with what is clearly a Japanese name.
wasnt there an exchange in one of the previous seasons where someone calls masuka chinese and he corrects em saying he is japanese?
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