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On November 23 2011 10:11 Elegy wrote:Whether Geller is real or not is almost irrelevant as the simple fact that so many people are either unsure (or come down hard on either side of the issue) means the writers are doing their jobs pretty well 
well..one could also say people are unsure because writers aren't doing their jobs very well..
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On November 23 2011 10:20 ondik wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2011 10:11 Elegy wrote:Whether Geller is real or not is almost irrelevant as the simple fact that so many people are either unsure (or come down hard on either side of the issue) means the writers are doing their jobs pretty well well..one could also say people are unsure because writers aren't doing their jobs very well..
True, although I'm fairly sure Geller's ambiguity is deliberate
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On November 23 2011 10:27 Elegy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2011 10:20 ondik wrote:On November 23 2011 10:11 Elegy wrote:Whether Geller is real or not is almost irrelevant as the simple fact that so many people are either unsure (or come down hard on either side of the issue) means the writers are doing their jobs pretty well well..one could also say people are unsure because writers aren't doing their jobs very well.. True, although I'm fairly sure Geller's ambiguity is deliberate
Most definitely.
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Ok so I haven't finished last sunday's episode yet but is it just me or does Travis and his sister act more like a couple than brother and sister? It could be just me but I always get that thought creeping into my head every time they have a scene together.
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Umm, I don't know why this hasn't been brought up but the photo with Travis and Gellar says it all in my opinion. Travis's sister says she knew nothing about a professor. Surely she would have seen that photo at some point, so Gellar must not really be in the photo...
The "Travis couldn't knock himself out" argument is mute. We saw brian stab someone with a pitchfork only in the previous ep... It's pretty clear to me that the whole dark passenger thing is just justification for these crazy people (Dexter and Travis,) because of course Dexter would "never" kill an innocent and Travis would "never" kill his sister.
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On November 23 2011 13:47 Xinder wrote:
Ok so I haven't finished last sunday's episode yet but is it just me or does Travis and his sister act more like a couple than brother and sister? It could be just me but I always get that thought creeping into my head every time they have a scene together.
Definitely got that feeling. I'm an only child, but no siblings I know like each other that much XD
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On November 23 2011 10:15 Sfydjklm wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2011 09:36 Klogon wrote:
Misuka is the best side character, besides the fact that he is supposedly Korean but with what is clearly a Japanese name. wasnt there an exchange in one of the previous seasons where someone calls masuka chinese and he corrects em saying he is japanese?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vince_Masuka
Played by a Korean-American, but Masuka is Japanese descent.
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I feel all this talk about an imaginary Gellar is completely ridiculous.
First, let's address the comparison with fight club. Throughout the fight club, the protagonist was puzzled by events he couldn't explain, like club followers keeping secrets from him, girlfriend acting strange, etc. The dual personality was the central selling point and its manifestations surface throughout the latter half of the movie. This season's Dexter plot has not seen such anomalies, the focus of the season lies in the battle between darkness and light. First Dexter wanted to kill Brother Sam, then he learned that it was indeed possible for bad people to turn away from evil for good. He tried to spare Nick. The very next episode he turned away Brian and went back to Harry's ways. Now he's made it his personal mission to redeem Travis, the accomplice who could be saved.
Now let's look at how much material we've had that will contradict the idea of an alternate Travis doing evil. This dark Travis, let's call him that, if he exists, he would have to be a religious fanatic. The main difference here would be his willingness to perpetrate evil in the name of god. He's perhaps more well-versed in the holy book, but is otherwise not any different in subjects unrelated to theology.
At the beginning of the season we saw that Dark Travis was a better snake catcher than Travis, advising him about where and how to catch live water snakes.
The next episode he advised patience in the killing of the fruit stand occupant when they were waiting in the car.
Much have been made of the fact that the escaped woman did not directly see or hear old man Gellar's, but the earlier male victim from the horseman episode did. Gellar said to Travis at the door where the man was held captive: "He's ready."
Again, when the waitress was tied to a kitchen sink at Travis' place, Travis was still in bed, undressed. Later the woman heard Gellar lecturing Travis about dragging her into god's plan. Could Travis have turned dark, tied her up, turned back normal, then went right back to sleep?
We know Gellar is a prodigious painter and artist. His earlier drawings depict the exact kind of murders that are taking place now. You can argue that Dark Travis is carrying out killings according to Gellar's earlier drawings, but Gellar is seen painting in the church throughout the season, it's quite a stretch to say Travis happened to possess just as much artistic talent and share the exact same style.
Dexter remarked that without Travis, there was no page numbers cut off from his bible inserted into the victim's body.
Finally the sad business with his sister, there's simply nothing in place to suggest that he had any beef with her at all. Is it really possible for Travis to move from that to abruptly killing her?
About Gellar's supposed lack of "interactions" with other characters. Well who exactly is he going to interact with? His name is on the paper. And only a very select few characters in the show would not instantly report him to the police. He is the archvillian here so of course he will only interact with his accomplice and victims.This show is about Dexter and his many struggles, Gellar has had ample screen time and interactions as an antagonist.
To introduce Gellar as Dark Travis, the writers will have to reconcile this much and more. Without proper foreshadowing and quite frankly no good reason to introduce such a twist to an otherwise coherent plot, Gellar is definitely not a figment of Travis' imagination.
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No one else was bothered by the fact that when dexter arrives to the old church where he expects to find Gellar, he bang his car door like a noob. Even park too close to the church for someone trying to catch the guy by surprise?
I felt that was really out of character.
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On November 23 2011 21:36 0x64 wrote:
No one else was bothered by the fact that when dexter arrives to the old church where he expects to find Gellar, he bang his car door like a noob. Even park too close to the church for someone trying to catch the guy by surprise?
I felt that was really out of character.
Yeah when this happened I was like wtf.. really fucking sketchy and stupid, easy way for the writers to keep us guessing about whether Gellar is real or not, it was real bullshit, he showed up in his killing clothes and a syringe ready to kill and then just gives away his position away like a moron.
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I'm going to have to argue both sides here, since people are making a lot of wrong points...
On November 23 2011 13:48 skipgamer wrote:
Umm, I don't know why this hasn't been brought up but the photo with Travis and Gellar says it all in my opinion. Travis's sister says she knew nothing about a professor. Surely she would have seen that photo at some point, so Gellar must not really be in the photo...
The "Travis couldn't knock himself out" argument is mute. We saw brian stab someone with a pitchfork only in the previous ep... It's pretty clear to me that the whole dark passenger thing is just justification for these crazy people (Dexter and Travis,) because of course Dexter would "never" kill an innocent and Travis would "never" kill his sister.
I am sure Gellar is in the photo. He was alive at some point, remember, even if he's dead now. Also the sister's reaction seemed to imply that she suspected something, but she was trying to protect her brother.
Brian didn't stab anybody with a pitchfork, it was Dexter the whole time. There's a big difference between doing something crazy out of character, and doing something that's physically impossible.
On November 23 2011 20:13 GoodWill wrote:
Much have been made of the fact that the escaped woman did not directly see or hear old man Gellar's, but the earlier male victim from the horseman episode did. Gellar said to Travis at the door where the man was held captive: "He's ready."
Again, when the waitress was tied to a kitchen sink at Travis' place, Travis was still in bed, undressed. Later the woman heard Gellar lecturing Travis about dragging her into god's plan. Could Travis have turned dark, tied her up, turned back normal, then went right back to sleep?
We know Gellar is a prodigious painter and artist. His earlier drawings depict the exact kind of murders that are taking place now. You can argue that Dark Travis is carrying out killings according to Gellar's earlier drawings, but Gellar is seen painting in the church throughout the season, it's quite a stretch to say Travis happened to possess just as much artistic talent and share the exact same style.
Dexter remarked that without Travis, there was no page numbers cut off from his bible inserted into the victim's body.
a.) There's no indication that the male victim heard anything. All we saw is Travis acknowledging Gellar. Just because he was speaking onscreen while a victim was present, does not mean that the victim saw/heard him.
b.) Yes, why not? Less crazy than Fight Club.
c.) Travis' sister commented that he is a very talented artist. He works at a museum. Travis being the painter does not seem like the biggest stretch of logic in this. Who says they share the same style?
d.) This point is valid, one of the things that made me think Gellar is real from last episode.
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Great episode, soooo much better than that Nebraska travesty of an episode.
At this point, I don't see Gellar being real. I think Travis is just split-personality and crazy. Poor sister.
I mostly think that because Gellar seems too mythical at this point. As others have noted, he's a flabby old man. He just can't be as dangerous as he's made out to be, and I don't see how he just "slips away" from Dexter without so much as a sound. Was he a ninja before he became a professor? Travis is young, somewhat in shape, he's a talented artist, and... yeah.
I suspect the end of the season will be Dexter deciding whether or not it's right to kill Travis -- who is essentially innocent in Dexter's eyes -- in order to kill Travis's "dark passenger". Sort of the same situation as with Trinity's son at the end of the Nebraska episode, only this time, Dexter will make the kill.
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On November 24 2011 00:35 Leporello wrote:
I mostly think that because Gellar seems too mythical at this point. As others have noted, he's a flabby old man. He just can't be as dangerous as he's made out to be, and I don't see how he just "slips away" from Dexter without so much as a sound. Was he a ninja before he became a professor? Travis is young, somewhat in shape, he's a talented artist, and... yeah.
Trinity wasnt an amazing physical specimen either and he was able to kill tons of people.
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Dexter is acting so weird this season. Letting Travis, the old priest and Jonas know he's a killer. Trusting Travis to a pretty large extent when it's still not 100% clear that he is or isn't Geller.
Also, in the previews, we see a quick flash of Dexter covered in blood. Not sure if that's something random or part of the next episode; would be insane.
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On November 25 2011 05:07 Kurr wrote:
Dexter is acting so weird this season. Letting Travis, the old priest and Jonas know he's a killer. Trusting Travis to a pretty large extent when it's still not 100% clear that he is or isn't Geller.
Also, in the previews, we see a quick flash of Dexter covered in blood. Not sure if that's something random or part of the next episode; would be insane.
the trailers have always been terrible misdirection since the show came on air, never read into it too much
On November 23 2011 21:36 0x64 wrote:
No one else was bothered by the fact that when dexter arrives to the old church where he expects to find Gellar, he bang his car door like a noob. Even park too close to the church for someone trying to catch the guy by surprise?
I felt that was really out of character.
dexter has been insanely reckless this season, kind of annoying
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On November 23 2011 21:36 0x64 wrote:
No one else was bothered by the fact that when dexter arrives to the old church where he expects to find Gellar, he bang his car door like a noob. Even park too close to the church for someone trying to catch the guy by surprise?
I felt that was really out of character.
dexter has been insanely reckless this season, kind of annoying[/QUOTE]
The amount of close calls is nothing compared to the 2nd season. Since he wasnt caught / killed in season 2 he's never going to.
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Show nested quote +On November 26 2011 09:45 Darkdeath3 wrote:On November 23 2011 21:36 0x64 wrote:
No one else was bothered by the fact that when dexter arrives to the old church where he expects to find Gellar, he bang his car door like a noob. Even park too close to the church for someone trying to catch the guy by surprise?
I felt that was really out of character. dexter has been insanely reckless this season, kind of annoying The amount of close calls is nothing compared to the 2nd season. Since he wasnt caught / killed in season 2 he's never going to.
Until the last season, of course.
I think Dexter needs to end, because the ending could be totally epic, especially if they played with the three possible endings: Dexter dies, is caught, or stops killing. Any of them could probably work, but if a season kept you guessing at which one, it could be pretty tense and amazing.
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Last i heard the dexter deal had went through so that's another two seasons.
I don't think they can keep it interesting for another two seasons. This season is allready pretty weak. The writers have proven too scared to touch the formula in any serious way.
They have dragged out of it what they could. Just like any show that fears change, it's getting stagnant.
The upside is that they have some more time to write a final season. Writers seem to grow a pair when they can let go off their need to maintain audience numbers.
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Yeah, they can only keep on hashing out near identical season structures for so long. Out of the current 6 seasons, only 2 have been truly good. The one with Brian and the other one with Trinity. The others have felt so weak, plot and character wise.
I noticed NO ONE mentioned that LaGuerta tried hard to close the hooker case - only to phone up someone unknown and let him/her/whoever know 'it has been taken care of' - classic dialogue that invites for plot twists. She seemed scared/tense about it.
I personally hope they fix season 6 with the following:
1.- They find out what dirty stuff LaGuerta is in
2.- They either send her to prison, humilliate her publicly or have her become a victim of Gellar's
3.- Dexter goes cuckoo crazy and fully embraces his brother instead of his lame dad
4.- He goes reckless, gets trapped, kills some cops and goes out on a run
5.- The season and the show ends with a weird escape or an epic last stand
But plz, plz, whatever you do, get rid of LaGuerta, I can't stand her fat, ugly ass bossing people around. It's just pathetic!
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