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On November 16 2011 03:28 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
imo the manifestations of father and brother are there to communicate dexter's inner dialogue to the audience. story-wise, the manifestations are justified by his general mental weirdness -- they are not a further development of his mental weirdness. it's just a failing of the medium of television that such a device needs to be used.
Just wondering, how do you feel about the Travis/Gellar thing then? If it turns out Gellar is in Travis' head and he's crazy, don't you think it would be a weird way to communicate two totally different messages (one char is crazy, the other is not) to the viewer in the same way? (by the same way I mean with hallucinations of dead people) Or should we just cross that bridge when we come to it? If at all...
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On November 16 2011 03:22 floor exercise wrote:
I will be interested to see the outcome with Gellar and such, hoping that things get shaken up massively soon.
The thing is we really haven't had a massive shake up in the series. I would have only considered the endings of season 2 and season 4 to be huge shake ups. When i look at seasons 3 and 5 they almost seem like filler seasons to me where not much is accomplished and not much changes except resolving story lines that were introduced just in that season. However when i look at the main arc in this storyline the dooms day killer it kind of feels like another filler season. Dexter has had very little interaction with the killers and has little to no connection compared to say what he had with the trinity killer or his brother in season 1.
I think there is going to be some massive developments for this season to be considered a success. Sure the killer is cool in this season but there hasnt been any bombshells and if it continues on this path i feel like we are just gonna have another season 3 or 5 instead of a season 1,2, or 4.
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Belgium38799 Posts
I don't really understand what you people expect from a series... I am enjoying every damn second of this season.
(1) Good acting
(2) Good story
(3) Interesting main character, in depth personality
(4) Interesting side characters. Brother Sam, Deb & Quinn, Travis, LaGuerta, Batista and Sister, and Masuuka + Intern.
(5) Doomsday killer is main plot but doesn't take all the space.
(6) It doesn't feel repetitive at all, even in season 6.
What the fuck do you want?
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The next episode Koshi 
I've resolved to wait for the season to finish so I can binge on 4-5 episodes a day. I go crazy waiting for the next one.
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On November 17 2011 06:38 Koshi wrote:
I don't really understand what you people expect from a series... I am enjoying every damn second of this season.
(1) Good acting
(2) Good story
(3) Interesting main character, in depth personality
(4) Interesting side characters. Brother Sam, Deb & Quinn, Travis, LaGuerta, Batista and Sister, and Masuuka + Intern.
(5) Doomsday killer is main plot but doesn't take all the space.
(6) It doesn't feel repetitive at all, even in season 6.
What the fuck do you want?
Good writing would be nice.
Something the last episode (and the one before that) was in dire lack of.
There was a glimps of something more, a real change in Dexters character but it all fell flat on it's face because the writer lacked a pair to carry it through. Rather the writers decided to try and have their little moment of darkness but also instantly write some pathetic cop-out into one and the same episode.
If a character goes from one end of the spectrum to the other end for no proper reason then that is generally poor writing.
You need to learn that it's possible to like a series whilst also seeing the flaws. Just because you like a show does not mean you need to pretend like it's the 2nd comming and it is without flaw.
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It was just that the last episode was a bit unbelievable I think(completely undexterlike of dexter), I'm enjoying the rest of the season though.
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I loved this episode. He was going on vacation and wanted to act out, because he felt how good it did when he strangled nick that's all. He has acted out before like this not so undexterlike when you think back.
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Some questions I have:
What did Dexter do with the gun? Did he just leave it in the murdered dude's garage? Isn't it also plausible that him stealing the gun would be caught on some kind of camera surveillance that would be checked once it's noticed as missing?
Also, the part about him being able to keep the pen from the hotel felt very force-injected (a possible future plot point?). I have a feeling his little trip is going to come back to haunt him.
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On November 17 2011 07:06 getty wrote:
Some questions I have:
What did Dexter do with the gun? Did he just leave it in the murdered dude's garage? Isn't it also plausible that him stealing the gun would be caught on some kind of camera surveillance that would be checked once it's noticed as missing?
Also, the part about him being able to keep the pen from the hotel felt very force-injected (a possible future plot point?). I have a feeling his little trip is going to come back to haunt him.
its possible but there was no reported robbery for them to go over the tape. plus I think it was just 1 person that owned that store , not much security.
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I thought it was a good episode. He didn't just stop with Trinity's son for no reason and suddenly become good again. He went through a phase of rage with Sam's death and dealt with it in his own way. He never turned to the "dark side" 100%. He was just closer than normal. I would've like more closure in the ending though. He just says "forgive yourself" and drives off... that's pretty lame.
The next episode looks brutal and full of gore T_T. I hate episodes like that. Episodes with character development for Dexter and story telling like the last one are those I prefer. That's pretty much why I watch Dexter; the character. Season 1 and 2 were all focused on him pretty much which was perfect and I like that they are focusing on him more this season compared to 3-5 and dropping a lot of lesser plots. I feel like Dexter is progressing as a character much more than in those seasons.
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Belgium38799 Posts
Kurr, it was a reference to the last words Brother Sam told him. "Forgive yourself"
It might be a bit cheesy, but it is a good reference. Dexter found the light in him!
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I just caught up on S1-S6 in the past week (a great way to spend a week off btw).
About the Gellar=hallucination theory, let us not forget that on the boat, Dexter was being handed garbage bags by Brian among other stuff. Maybe they are just preparing us by showing us that "hallucinations in this show are portrayed in this manner". Aka, according to the laws of cinematography, "hallucinated characters" can perform actions in the point of view of the hallucinatee.
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On November 18 2011 10:42 mprs wrote:
I just caught up on S1-S6 in the past week (a great way to spend a week off btw).
About the Gellar=hallucination theory, let us not forget that on the boat, Dexter was being handed garbage bags by Brian among other stuff. Maybe they are just preparing us by showing us that "hallucinations in this show are portrayed in this manner". Aka, according to the laws of cinematography, "hallucinated characters" can perform actions in the point of view of the hallucinatee.
It actually seems like the deeper the character falls into insanity, the more active a role their imaginary friends are able to perform. Dexter's dad never touches anything, because Dexter knows fully well that he's not real. If Travis is insane and truly believes Gellar is alive, it makes sense for them to show him performing all sorts of actions as he would be in Travis' mind.
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On November 17 2011 06:38 Koshi wrote:
I don't really understand what you people expect from a series... I am enjoying every damn second of this season.
(1) Good acting
(2) Good story
(3) Interesting main character, in depth personality
(4) Interesting side characters. Brother Sam, Deb & Quinn, Travis, LaGuerta, Batista and Sister, and Masuuka + Intern.
(5) Doomsday killer is main plot but doesn't take all the space.
(6) It doesn't feel repetitive at all, even in season 6.
What the fuck do you want?
dexter isnt judged by it's quality compared to CSI, its judged by compassion with it's own previous seasons and the only reason anyone gives any credit to season 6 is because season 5 happened.
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On November 18 2011 22:46 Cel.erity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2011 10:42 mprs wrote:
I just caught up on S1-S6 in the past week (a great way to spend a week off btw).
About the Gellar=hallucination theory, let us not forget that on the boat, Dexter was being handed garbage bags by Brian among other stuff. Maybe they are just preparing us by showing us that "hallucinations in this show are portrayed in this manner". Aka, according to the laws of cinematography, "hallucinated characters" can perform actions in the point of view of the hallucinatee. It actually seems like the deeper the character falls into insanity, the more active a role their imaginary friends are able to perform. Dexter's dad never touches anything, because Dexter knows fully well that he's not real. If Travis is insane and truly believes Gellar is alive, it makes sense for them to show him performing all sorts of actions as he would be in Travis' mind.
Yup I agree. My comment was toward people who believe that Gellar cannot be a hallucination because we see him performing certain actions. What he does is irrelevant, it is only if people notice him that you start running into plot problems. He could potentially take a gun and shoot someone, and still be a hallucination (like Brian stabbing the inn guy with a pitchfork, when it was really Dexter).
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I may have missed something because I was kinda sick when I watched this most recent episode, but how did Brian lead Dexter to the motel owner's pot farm in the middle of a giant corn field? I hope I overlooked something because otherwise that implies that a) Brian had some way of knowing about the pot farm AND its location and b) he had some way of imparting this knowledge on Dexter, which takes Brian from being part of Dexter's subconscious to an outside force who is giving Dexter knowledge he wouldn't otherwise have. At best, Brian was expressing Dexter's urge to look for trouble and the writers were just being lazy by having Dexter walk straight to a tiny pot farm in the middle of a HUGE corn field, or at worst, the writers have given up on having the story follow one of the fundamental rules of the Dexter universe (Dexter and maybe Travis's hallucinations are just a part of their subconscious and don't know anything that their respective hosts don't know)
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So if Gellar is Travis' hallucination, how does one explain the fired professor from the university? Travis killed Gellar then started hallucinating?
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On November 19 2011 01:53 GoodWill wrote:
So if Gellar is Travis' hallucination, how does one explain the fired professor from the university? Travis killed Gellar then started hallucinating?
Gellar got fired. Died some time after that.
Maybe he helped Travis before and died along the way. Maybe he never even knew who Travis was and Travis just pretends that Gellar gave him his ideas.
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What about the girl who travis let go? She said that there were two people and that Travis was the weaker one. I won't deny that there are a lot of good reason for why Gellar could be a hallucination and certainly going deeper into Dexter's would suggest that they're doing that, but I think that's still throwing a really big curve ball. Gellar's personality is really different from Travis especially when it comes to their use of violence.
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On November 19 2011 02:24 Fraidnot wrote:
What about the girl who travis let go? She said that there were two people and that Travis was the weaker one. I won't deny that there are a lot of good reason for why Gellar could be a hallucination and certainly going deeper into Dexter's would suggest that they're doing that, but I think that's still throwing a really big curve ball. Gellar's personality is really different from Travis especially when it comes to their use of violence.
I'm pretty sure she just said that Travis kept reffering to someone as "the professor". I'm pretty sure she never actually heard Gellar
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