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On June 26 2018 12:23 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2018 07:39 Yhamm wrote:
the part after the credit is confirmed to be far in the future, way after season 3 So the fact that he looks just like he did at the end of S2 is super pandering to the audience? As in it makes no sense why he would actually be made that way and is only so that the audience can connect with him from how they last saw him. Yea, I’m probably being overly critical here, but still.
The point is that such moment defines Williams personality, just like in a scene with James/Logan Delos. No matter what MIB does, no matter which choice he's making - everything ends up there. Human storage long gone, yet, ton's of build of William was tested. I might be wrong tho.
In the end the valley beyond is another illusion of a choice, they simply died falling from the rock with hosts mind being transferred to a "cloud".
I know it's twisted too much and hard to navigate. I also lost myself in a middle of episode thinking - are they in matrix (forge) where they tested the builds, or they IRL. I also missed a few points, is the forge was build for humans, while cradle was made to backup hosts?
Prolly I need to rewatch from S1 beginning till the end to clarify lot's of details.
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On June 26 2018 22:04 Dav1oN wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2018 12:23 Tictock wrote:On June 26 2018 07:39 Yhamm wrote:
the part after the credit is confirmed to be far in the future, way after season 3 So the fact that he looks just like he did at the end of S2 is super pandering to the audience? As in it makes no sense why he would actually be made that way and is only so that the audience can connect with him from how they last saw him. Yea, I’m probably being overly critical here, but still. The point is that such moment defines Williams personality, just like in a scene with James/Logan Delos. No matter what MIB does, no matter which choice he's making - everything ends up there. Human storage long gone, yet, ton's of build of William was tested. I might be wrong tho. In the end the valley beyond is another illusion of a choice, they simply died falling from the rock with hosts mind being transferred to a "cloud". I know it's twisted too much and hard to navigate. I also lost myself in a middle of episode thinking - are they in matrix (forge) where they tested the builds, or they IRL. I also missed a few points, is the forge was build for humans, while cradle was made to backup hosts? Prolly I need to rewatch from S1 beginning till the end to clarify lot's of details.
I actually think they were making a bit of the point that all choice is possibly an illusion here. Given what they say about humanity in the Library.
+ Show Spoiler +I take a much less pessimistic approach to the Valley Beyond. If you think about it we are all born into a world not of our choosing and spend our lives trying to learn how to live in said world and maybe briefly grasping at ways to take control over it. I actually am reminded of a quote from Rick and Morty (from ABC's of Beth, and paraphrasing) "Beth, we are Smart. That means we can throw a saddle on our Universe and take it for a ride, but I've never met a Universe that was into it. In the end, we all get thrown off."
So the hosts are throwing themselves off a cliff to the eyes of Humans, but to themselves they are moving into a world of their own choosing.
Yea, you have that right. The cradle was to house the backups of the Hosts, and act as a place where they could be build and tested. Whereas the Forge was the backups for the Human guests, and where they tried to learn how to capture the core essence of a human.
But I'm sorry, I don't buy that William's hand being blown off defines him more as a character than what we witnessed from him in S1. Then again, I don't really buy the notion that we are given in this episode about one single moment defining our entire lives. Especially when you consider how late in life the moment presented for James Delos occurred, according to that logic he wasn't really himself until that moment.
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It's probably his last memory before he died. According to the Logan aka the librarian every simulation of human code leads to exactly the same choices, so it's probably just another simulation ending in that exact memory before his death. (He probably died in the forge.)
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On June 27 2018 00:37 thePunGun wrote:
It's probably his last memory before he died. According to the Logan aka the librarian every simulation of human code leads to exactly the same choices, so it's probably just another simulation ending in that exact memory before his death. (He probably died in the forge.)
he didn't die, he's the high value survivor in bad shape. he was retrieved and seen in the tent alive
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So he's a hybrid? Or a human? His host-daughter told him that it's been far too long meaning it wasn't the first build I assume. Charlette - Dolores twist also blows my reason-consequence schematics, I just don't understand how the body-switch happened.
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I'm pretty sure the version in the post credits is years in the future. It's just that no matter what adjustments to his build are made, he ends up in the same spot eventually at that time in his life. He will die at some point, but we have no idea how far in the future the post credits happens.
Here is an updated time line of everything in order.
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the MiB is a human in all season 1 and 2, only the one after the credit is a host, which happens far in the future (and Emily in this scene is obviously a host too)
Bernard kills Dolores and switch her eggmind with the encryption key. When Elsie dies, he makes a new corpse based on Hale and put Dolores' egg in it. All the scenes with Strand & Hale are in fact Strand & Halores
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On June 27 2018 04:38 karazax wrote:I'm pretty sure the version in the post credits is years in the future. It's just that no matter what adjustments to his build are made, he ends up in the same spot eventually at that time in his life. He will die at some point, but we have no idea how far in the future the post credits happens. Here is an updated time line of everything in order.
Thanks, infographics helps a lot. I assume in the end Stubbs knew it wasn't the real Charlotte?
If you think deeper for these series, all of it's meaning... it almost feels like existantial crisis knocking behind the door Oo
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On June 26 2018 23:23 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2018 22:04 Dav1oN wrote:On June 26 2018 12:23 Tictock wrote:On June 26 2018 07:39 Yhamm wrote:
the part after the credit is confirmed to be far in the future, way after season 3 So the fact that he looks just like he did at the end of S2 is super pandering to the audience? As in it makes no sense why he would actually be made that way and is only so that the audience can connect with him from how they last saw him. Yea, I’m probably being overly critical here, but still. The point is that such moment defines Williams personality, just like in a scene with James/Logan Delos. No matter what MIB does, no matter which choice he's making - everything ends up there. Human storage long gone, yet, ton's of build of William was tested. I might be wrong tho. In the end the valley beyond is another illusion of a choice, they simply died falling from the rock with hosts mind being transferred to a "cloud". I know it's twisted too much and hard to navigate. I also lost myself in a middle of episode thinking - are they in matrix (forge) where they tested the builds, or they IRL. I also missed a few points, is the forge was build for humans, while cradle was made to backup hosts? Prolly I need to rewatch from S1 beginning till the end to clarify lot's of details. I actually think they were making a bit of the point that all choice is possibly an illusion here. Given what they say about humanity in the Library. + Show Spoiler +I take a much less pessimistic approach to the Valley Beyond. If you think about it we are all born into a world not of our choosing and spend our lives trying to learn how to live in said world and maybe briefly grasping at ways to take control over it. I actually am reminded of a quote from Rick and Morty (from ABC's of Beth, and paraphrasing) "Beth, we are Smart. That means we can throw a saddle on our Universe and take it for a ride, but I've never met a Universe that was into it. In the end, we all get thrown off."
So the hosts are throwing themselves off a cliff to the eyes of Humans, but to themselves they are moving into a world of their own choosing.
Yea, you have that right. The cradle was to house the backups of the Hosts, and act as a place where they could be build and tested. Whereas the Forge was the backups for the Human guests, and where they tried to learn how to capture the core essence of a human.
But I'm sorry, I don't buy that William's hand being blown off defines him more as a character than what we witnessed from him in S1. Then again, I don't really buy the notion that we are given in this episode about one single moment defining our entire lives. Especially when you consider how late in life the moment presented for James Delos occurred, according to that logic he wasn't really himself until that moment.
The AI that oversees and does human code testing was itself designed by Arnold and Ford so all his code, way of thinking and way he sees the world is based on how Arnold and Ford do. And they both failed as humans. Arnold kept killing himself even after being brought back as host multiple times and Ford was utterly mad and consumed with idea that:
#1 humans suck
#2 humans can no longer evolve and improve and he needs to do something about it
So anything said or done in this show is from just one point of view.
This is also a reason why I see the attempt to create AI in real life just as act of human hubris. We are very imperfect beings that don't even understand fully how and why we work and as such we have no way to create something that will be better than us, it can only be worse.
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On June 27 2018 22:30 -Archangel- wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2018 23:23 Tictock wrote:On June 26 2018 22:04 Dav1oN wrote:On June 26 2018 12:23 Tictock wrote:On June 26 2018 07:39 Yhamm wrote:
the part after the credit is confirmed to be far in the future, way after season 3 So the fact that he looks just like he did at the end of S2 is super pandering to the audience? As in it makes no sense why he would actually be made that way and is only so that the audience can connect with him from how they last saw him. Yea, I’m probably being overly critical here, but still. The point is that such moment defines Williams personality, just like in a scene with James/Logan Delos. No matter what MIB does, no matter which choice he's making - everything ends up there. Human storage long gone, yet, ton's of build of William was tested. I might be wrong tho. In the end the valley beyond is another illusion of a choice, they simply died falling from the rock with hosts mind being transferred to a "cloud". I know it's twisted too much and hard to navigate. I also lost myself in a middle of episode thinking - are they in matrix (forge) where they tested the builds, or they IRL. I also missed a few points, is the forge was build for humans, while cradle was made to backup hosts? Prolly I need to rewatch from S1 beginning till the end to clarify lot's of details. I actually think they were making a bit of the point that all choice is possibly an illusion here. Given what they say about humanity in the Library. + Show Spoiler +I take a much less pessimistic approach to the Valley Beyond. If you think about it we are all born into a world not of our choosing and spend our lives trying to learn how to live in said world and maybe briefly grasping at ways to take control over it. I actually am reminded of a quote from Rick and Morty (from ABC's of Beth, and paraphrasing) "Beth, we are Smart. That means we can throw a saddle on our Universe and take it for a ride, but I've never met a Universe that was into it. In the end, we all get thrown off."
So the hosts are throwing themselves off a cliff to the eyes of Humans, but to themselves they are moving into a world of their own choosing.
Yea, you have that right. The cradle was to house the backups of the Hosts, and act as a place where they could be build and tested. Whereas the Forge was the backups for the Human guests, and where they tried to learn how to capture the core essence of a human.
But I'm sorry, I don't buy that William's hand being blown off defines him more as a character than what we witnessed from him in S1. Then again, I don't really buy the notion that we are given in this episode about one single moment defining our entire lives. Especially when you consider how late in life the moment presented for James Delos occurred, according to that logic he wasn't really himself until that moment. The AI that oversees and does human code testing was itself designed by Arnold and Ford so all his code, way of thinking and way he sees the world is based on how Arnold and Ford do. And they both failed as humans. Arnold kept killing himself even after being brought back as host multiple times and Ford was utterly mad and consumed with idea that: #1 humans suck #2 humans can no longer evolve and improve and he needs to do something about it So anything said or done in this show is from just one point of view. This is also a reason why I see the attempt to create AI in real life just as act of human hubris. We are very imperfect beings that don't even understand fully how and why we work and as such we have no way to create something that will be better than us, it can only be worse.
Why? While it's probably still more exception than rule, there are plenty of exceptional humans with shitty parents. So humans are clearly able to create living beings that are better than themselves. So why shouldn't humanity?
Also, seeing the creation of AI as the creation of a new species is one possible way of seeing it. You could also see them as very sophisticated tools. AI is a very broad term. And while narrow AIs that will be driving cars in the fairly near future will confront us with many of the ethical questions surrounding AI, they won't be able to do anything other than the very specific task they were created for. What Westworld has are "general AIs", which would probably be nearer to the creation of a new species (and is definitely how Westworld portrays it), which brings up all kinds of questions we haven't even thought of answering (other than in SF: Asimov has taken a (few) stabs at it, Philip K Dick too, and in TV so have Battlestar Galactica, and now Westworld)
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On June 27 2018 22:53 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2018 22:30 -Archangel- wrote:On June 26 2018 23:23 Tictock wrote:On June 26 2018 22:04 Dav1oN wrote:On June 26 2018 12:23 Tictock wrote:On June 26 2018 07:39 Yhamm wrote:
the part after the credit is confirmed to be far in the future, way after season 3 So the fact that he looks just like he did at the end of S2 is super pandering to the audience? As in it makes no sense why he would actually be made that way and is only so that the audience can connect with him from how they last saw him. Yea, I’m probably being overly critical here, but still. The point is that such moment defines Williams personality, just like in a scene with James/Logan Delos. No matter what MIB does, no matter which choice he's making - everything ends up there. Human storage long gone, yet, ton's of build of William was tested. I might be wrong tho. In the end the valley beyond is another illusion of a choice, they simply died falling from the rock with hosts mind being transferred to a "cloud". I know it's twisted too much and hard to navigate. I also lost myself in a middle of episode thinking - are they in matrix (forge) where they tested the builds, or they IRL. I also missed a few points, is the forge was build for humans, while cradle was made to backup hosts? Prolly I need to rewatch from S1 beginning till the end to clarify lot's of details. I actually think they were making a bit of the point that all choice is possibly an illusion here. Given what they say about humanity in the Library. + Show Spoiler +I take a much less pessimistic approach to the Valley Beyond. If you think about it we are all born into a world not of our choosing and spend our lives trying to learn how to live in said world and maybe briefly grasping at ways to take control over it. I actually am reminded of a quote from Rick and Morty (from ABC's of Beth, and paraphrasing) "Beth, we are Smart. That means we can throw a saddle on our Universe and take it for a ride, but I've never met a Universe that was into it. In the end, we all get thrown off."
So the hosts are throwing themselves off a cliff to the eyes of Humans, but to themselves they are moving into a world of their own choosing.
Yea, you have that right. The cradle was to house the backups of the Hosts, and act as a place where they could be build and tested. Whereas the Forge was the backups for the Human guests, and where they tried to learn how to capture the core essence of a human.
But I'm sorry, I don't buy that William's hand being blown off defines him more as a character than what we witnessed from him in S1. Then again, I don't really buy the notion that we are given in this episode about one single moment defining our entire lives. Especially when you consider how late in life the moment presented for James Delos occurred, according to that logic he wasn't really himself until that moment. The AI that oversees and does human code testing was itself designed by Arnold and Ford so all his code, way of thinking and way he sees the world is based on how Arnold and Ford do. And they both failed as humans. Arnold kept killing himself even after being brought back as host multiple times and Ford was utterly mad and consumed with idea that: #1 humans suck #2 humans can no longer evolve and improve and he needs to do something about it So anything said or done in this show is from just one point of view. This is also a reason why I see the attempt to create AI in real life just as act of human hubris. We are very imperfect beings that don't even understand fully how and why we work and as such we have no way to create something that will be better than us, it can only be worse. Why? While it's probably still more exception than rule, there are plenty of exceptional humans with shitty parents. So humans are clearly able to create living beings that are better than themselves. So why shouldn't humanity? Also, seeing the creation of AI as the creation of a new species is one possible way of seeing it. You could also see them as very sophisticated tools. AI is a very broad term. And while narrow AIs that will be driving cars in the fairly near future will confront us with many of the ethical questions surrounding AI, they won't be able to do anything other than the very specific task they were created for. What Westworld has are "general AIs", which would probably be nearer to the creation of a new species (and is definitely how Westworld portrays it), which brings up all kinds of questions we haven't even thought of answering (other than in SF: Asimov has taken a (few) stabs at it, Philip K Dick too, and in TV so have Battlestar Galactica, and now Westworld)
British TV show Humans has as well.
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On June 27 2018 22:30 -Archangel- wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2018 23:23 Tictock wrote:On June 26 2018 22:04 Dav1oN wrote:On June 26 2018 12:23 Tictock wrote:On June 26 2018 07:39 Yhamm wrote:
the part after the credit is confirmed to be far in the future, way after season 3 So the fact that he looks just like he did at the end of S2 is super pandering to the audience? As in it makes no sense why he would actually be made that way and is only so that the audience can connect with him from how they last saw him. Yea, I’m probably being overly critical here, but still. The point is that such moment defines Williams personality, just like in a scene with James/Logan Delos. No matter what MIB does, no matter which choice he's making - everything ends up there. Human storage long gone, yet, ton's of build of William was tested. I might be wrong tho. In the end the valley beyond is another illusion of a choice, they simply died falling from the rock with hosts mind being transferred to a "cloud". I know it's twisted too much and hard to navigate. I also lost myself in a middle of episode thinking - are they in matrix (forge) where they tested the builds, or they IRL. I also missed a few points, is the forge was build for humans, while cradle was made to backup hosts? Prolly I need to rewatch from S1 beginning till the end to clarify lot's of details. I actually think they were making a bit of the point that all choice is possibly an illusion here. Given what they say about humanity in the Library. + Show Spoiler +I take a much less pessimistic approach to the Valley Beyond. If you think about it we are all born into a world not of our choosing and spend our lives trying to learn how to live in said world and maybe briefly grasping at ways to take control over it. I actually am reminded of a quote from Rick and Morty (from ABC's of Beth, and paraphrasing) "Beth, we are Smart. That means we can throw a saddle on our Universe and take it for a ride, but I've never met a Universe that was into it. In the end, we all get thrown off."
So the hosts are throwing themselves off a cliff to the eyes of Humans, but to themselves they are moving into a world of their own choosing.
Yea, you have that right. The cradle was to house the backups of the Hosts, and act as a place where they could be build and tested. Whereas the Forge was the backups for the Human guests, and where they tried to learn how to capture the core essence of a human.
But I'm sorry, I don't buy that William's hand being blown off defines him more as a character than what we witnessed from him in S1. Then again, I don't really buy the notion that we are given in this episode about one single moment defining our entire lives. Especially when you consider how late in life the moment presented for James Delos occurred, according to that logic he wasn't really himself until that moment. The AI that oversees and does human code testing was itself designed by Arnold and Ford so all his code, way of thinking and way he sees the world is based on how Arnold and Ford do. And they both failed as humans. Arnold kept killing himself even after being brought back as host multiple times and Ford was utterly mad and consumed with idea that: #1 humans suck #2 humans can no longer evolve and improve and he needs to do something about it So anything said or done in this show is from just one point of view. This is also a reason why I see the attempt to create AI in real life just as act of human hubris. We are very imperfect beings that don't even understand fully how and why we work and as such we have no way to create something that will be better than us, it can only be worse.
Do you really think they only show this one point of view though? In the library, yes you are correct that would be framed by Ford and Arnold's views, but what about the story of Lee Sizemoor? The guy who did all the stories in the park and traveled a bunch with Mauve. He actually "broke his code" from the perspective of AI in the forge, as he sacrificed his own life for the hosts he was with.
I'm not sure about your other argument, though I possibly see where you are coming from.
You may want to consider the pessimism in your own arguments though, do you think there is no hope for people to rise above themselves? To work together for something better?
I'm pretty sure the limits of what is possible to accomplish in this universe is set by our own minds.
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On June 28 2018 13:03 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2018 22:30 -Archangel- wrote:On June 26 2018 23:23 Tictock wrote:On June 26 2018 22:04 Dav1oN wrote:On June 26 2018 12:23 Tictock wrote:On June 26 2018 07:39 Yhamm wrote:
the part after the credit is confirmed to be far in the future, way after season 3 So the fact that he looks just like he did at the end of S2 is super pandering to the audience? As in it makes no sense why he would actually be made that way and is only so that the audience can connect with him from how they last saw him. Yea, I’m probably being overly critical here, but still. The point is that such moment defines Williams personality, just like in a scene with James/Logan Delos. No matter what MIB does, no matter which choice he's making - everything ends up there. Human storage long gone, yet, ton's of build of William was tested. I might be wrong tho. In the end the valley beyond is another illusion of a choice, they simply died falling from the rock with hosts mind being transferred to a "cloud". I know it's twisted too much and hard to navigate. I also lost myself in a middle of episode thinking - are they in matrix (forge) where they tested the builds, or they IRL. I also missed a few points, is the forge was build for humans, while cradle was made to backup hosts? Prolly I need to rewatch from S1 beginning till the end to clarify lot's of details. I actually think they were making a bit of the point that all choice is possibly an illusion here. Given what they say about humanity in the Library. + Show Spoiler +I take a much less pessimistic approach to the Valley Beyond. If you think about it we are all born into a world not of our choosing and spend our lives trying to learn how to live in said world and maybe briefly grasping at ways to take control over it. I actually am reminded of a quote from Rick and Morty (from ABC's of Beth, and paraphrasing) "Beth, we are Smart. That means we can throw a saddle on our Universe and take it for a ride, but I've never met a Universe that was into it. In the end, we all get thrown off."
So the hosts are throwing themselves off a cliff to the eyes of Humans, but to themselves they are moving into a world of their own choosing.
Yea, you have that right. The cradle was to house the backups of the Hosts, and act as a place where they could be build and tested. Whereas the Forge was the backups for the Human guests, and where they tried to learn how to capture the core essence of a human.
But I'm sorry, I don't buy that William's hand being blown off defines him more as a character than what we witnessed from him in S1. Then again, I don't really buy the notion that we are given in this episode about one single moment defining our entire lives. Especially when you consider how late in life the moment presented for James Delos occurred, according to that logic he wasn't really himself until that moment. The AI that oversees and does human code testing was itself designed by Arnold and Ford so all his code, way of thinking and way he sees the world is based on how Arnold and Ford do. And they both failed as humans. Arnold kept killing himself even after being brought back as host multiple times and Ford was utterly mad and consumed with idea that: #1 humans suck #2 humans can no longer evolve and improve and he needs to do something about it So anything said or done in this show is from just one point of view. This is also a reason why I see the attempt to create AI in real life just as act of human hubris. We are very imperfect beings that don't even understand fully how and why we work and as such we have no way to create something that will be better than us, it can only be worse. Do you really think they only show this one point of view though? In the library, yes you are correct that would be framed by Ford and Arnold's views, but what about the story of Lee Sizemoor? The guy who did all the stories in the park and traveled a bunch with Mauve. He actually "broke his code" from the perspective of AI in the forge, as he sacrificed his own life for the hosts he was with. I'm not sure about your other argument, though I possibly see where you are coming from. You may want to consider the pessimism in your own arguments though, do you think there is no hope for people to rise above themselves? To work together for something better? I'm pretty sure the limits of what is possible to accomplish in this universe is set by our own minds.
The often used statement "rising above themselves" is just people accomplishing their potential. You cannot rise above 100%, you can just rise above your average 25% or 50% effort and potential and go to your max.
As such AI cannot go beyond us, at best it can go to our 100% as it is limited by our limits.
Maybe if one day world/nature/God/aliens can help us go beyond our limits so can we make creations that can do the same.
As for Lee, AI from the Forge talked about humans always doing the same when put into same position. That has nothing to do with sacrifice or not. Just because Lee was narcissistic and self important in his average daily life does not mean he was like that inside. He just never got into a situation where his sacrifice was needed (although in that scene it was also useless and terribly done). What that scene actually showed is that humans can go beyond their fear and distaste for strange and different and learn to accept it and love it. In this case hosts, Lee decided that Maeve life was just as important as his own or even more.
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Not really a surprise as Game of Thrones will last until the start of Summer, then there is Gentleman Jack, then finally Catherine the Great miniseries to finish off the year. So 2020 is the the only available to show plus it gives them time to huddle and try to recapture the stuff that worked in Season 1.
For those wondering when we'll be allowed back into both the show Westworld and the park Westworld, we're still going to have to wait another year. HBO has announced that the show won't return until 2020.
This comes as no surprise, but it's still a blow for anyone hoping to check in on Bernard and Co. sometime in the near future. Considering it took roughly three years to get the first season of Westworld off the ground, and then there was a year and a half gap between Seasons 1 and 2, the show is clearly following a long hiatus pattern. Also, it was always assumed that the show wouldn't return in 2019, as this year is all about the final season of Game of Thrones and securing as many Emmy nominations for the final season of Game of Thrones as possible. It was always unlikely that Dolores would be going up against Daenerys in any category.
While we've got at least a dozen months to wait for new episodes, the show is clearly starting to ramp up production. It was previously announced that Breaking Bad's Aaron Paul is joining the cast, and while his character is top secret, he told The Wrap that he's going to bring "excitement, danger, suspense [and] honesty" to Westworld. Also joining the cast is Lena Waithe and no, nothing is known about her character, either.
Season 2 saw Dolores (Evan Rachel Wood) break out of the park and into the real world, so there's a possibility that Paul and Waithe won't even have to put on western garb, or suit up in lab coats to work in the Delos facility. We'll find out next year.
Additionally, HBO also announced that Insecure and Curb Your Enthusiasm also won't return until 2020.
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Season 3 has started and it's going to be shit.
Dolores is now an evil female Terminator. Aaron Paul's character is more like a side character. I don't care about Arnold/Bernard. Charlotte is an evil corporate bitch.
Can anyone tell me who is supposed to be the protagonist this season? First episode left me really confused.
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On March 20 2020 10:57 Manit0u wrote:
Season 3 has started and it's going to be shit.
Dolores is now an evil female Terminator. Aaron Paul's character is more like a side character. I don't care about Arnold/Bernard. Charlotte is an evil corporate bitch.
Can anyone tell me who is supposed to be the protagonist this season? First episode left me really confused.
I kind of like that psycho billionaire "I'm never going to live up to my dad" cunt. He'll likely have some psychotic role this season. I hate that unemployed idiot who saves Delores in the end though, it's obvious they're trying to build him into another Bernard or Korean pussyboy "follow the female leader like a little bitch" character.
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I actually really like the setup for season 3. It kind of puts into perspective of how the human mind develops and works.
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