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Well, we all now that Kakashi made his name by being the copy cat ninja...
Okay I wouldn't be surprised if Hashirama's ghost will contact Sakura and give OP powers.
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On August 07 2014 05:45 Kazeyonoma wrote:
agreed with JustPassingBy. its just a chakra transfer? I guess we saw how Minato and Naruto's Mom were somehow stored in his consciousness via chakra magic too so... it's. within the realm...?
I dunno
and the Obito != Susanoo is mostly due to him never having both of his eyes together. Susanoo always required both eyes to be together right? that's why Obito couldn't use it before but now Kakashi has both? maybe? How did obito end up with both again? And how did undead (pre breaking of the zombie mode) Madara activate 100s of Susanoo's then if he had rinnegans and not his eyes? or were they his eyes? but if they were his eyes, then what did Obito have?
my head hurts.
I remember I think Forik making a big deal about how Susanoo didn't even require you to have the eyes b/c Madara used it before he got his eyes back when he was fighting the kages. Of course this contradicts what obito says to sasuke about how rare his eyes are for being able to awaken Susanoo.
Either way, I think it's beyond hope of a logical explanation now.
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On August 07 2014 17:18 ArieDeOwner wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2014 16:38 17Sphynx17 wrote:
Disregarding the fact of determining "how" it all happened, I am now onto the train of thought of "why it needed to happen".
Sasuke only has 1 sharingan left because one of his eyes got upgraded.
Since Sasuke has used Susanoo with just 1 sharingan and 1 rinnengan, you can assume that at least 1 sharingan is all you need to summon Susanoo as long as you can do it.
So would giving kakashi 2 sharingan more than likely mean that Kishi wants kakashi to lock Kaguya in an infinite loop reality unless she chooses to change like what Itachi did to Kabuto thus needing him to sacrifice one Sharingan in the process when all is said and done?
I am just thinking out loud here since it appears eye techniques technically work on Kaguya if she allowed them to hit. There is one problem with your idea though. I'm pretty sure one of the eyes is able to summon amaterasu and the other is the genjutsu eye. You need to combine the two to actually summon susano'o if I remember correctly. But Kishi has gone of script completely, none of the "rules" of the shinobi world apply anymore ://
The other problem is the Madara used Susano'o without any sharingans at all.
And then there's this: http://www.mangapanda.com/93-35269-9/naruto/chapter-467.html
It's just not consistent!
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On August 07 2014 15:00 EnumaAvalon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2014 14:01 Forikorder wrote:On August 07 2014 13:52 lannisport wrote:On August 07 2014 12:39 Forikorder wrote:
as crazy as it sounds the more i think about it the more it makes sense
Kakashi got his Sharingan super early and grew up with it so it makes sense that his body would grow more accustomed to it and more similar to an Uchiha
Nagato explained that those who have the Rinnegan are standing at the border between worlds, plus Obito was the 10 tails Jinchuuriki for a time and had zetsu implanted in it, so all in all he cannot be considered a normal person on any level right now
weve so far seen 3 people exist as "chakra spirits" (the 4th, his wife and the So6P) so if Obito could use some remaining bonus from having the Rinnegan, in addition to his own natural affinity for moving between dimensions its not that wierd that he could also temporarily become a chakra spirit and give Chakra to Kakashi
since Kakashi has already grown up with a Sharingan it wouldnt be wierd if Obitos pure blooded Uchiha chakra melded with Kakashis causing him to awaken his own Sharingan
since Kakashi is the copy ninja his Sharingan could have the special ability of extra powerful copying that he uses to copy Sasukes Susano'o Great fanwank  but wouldn't it have made more sense if Obito ha utilized Sakuras medical prowess to transfer his eyes before he died? I mean it would've been a way to actually utilize both characters and make them useful to the plot. well his body was disentagrating so maybe that wouldnt ahve worked Maybe he could have just pulled out his eyes then threw them at Sakura. That'd be more believable.
Haha, agreed. That's how Madara has been transferring eyes. Plug and chug.
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Even Sasuke is getting pissed off about the asspulls.
Pretty soon Team 7 will get entirely fed up and enter the Kishi dimension and finish off the villain behind the villain.
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On August 07 2014 17:18 ArieDeOwner wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2014 16:38 17Sphynx17 wrote:
Disregarding the fact of determining "how" it all happened, I am now onto the train of thought of "why it needed to happen".
Sasuke only has 1 sharingan left because one of his eyes got upgraded.
Since Sasuke has used Susanoo with just 1 sharingan and 1 rinnengan, you can assume that at least 1 sharingan is all you need to summon Susanoo as long as you can do it.
So would giving kakashi 2 sharingan more than likely mean that Kishi wants kakashi to lock Kaguya in an infinite loop reality unless she chooses to change like what Itachi did to Kabuto thus needing him to sacrifice one Sharingan in the process when all is said and done?
I am just thinking out loud here since it appears eye techniques technically work on Kaguya if she allowed them to hit. There is one problem with your idea though. I'm pretty sure one of the eyes is able to summon amaterasu and the other is the genjutsu eye. You need to combine the two to actually summon susano'o if I remember correctly. But Kishi has gone of script completely, none of the "rules" of the shinobi world apply anymore ://
the Susano'o was never shown to be related to the eye though, its not like it was shown to be connected to it or the eyes do something when its summoned the eyes are jsut a reflection of how there chakra has evolved
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On August 07 2014 22:19 yevoc wrote:
Even Sasuke is getting pissed off about the asspulls.
Pretty soon Team 7 will get entirely fed up and enter the Kishi dimension and finish off the villain behind the villain.
haha Sauce is just salty - the one bit of logically congruency in the chapter this week.
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On August 07 2014 23:53 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2014 17:18 ArieDeOwner wrote:On August 07 2014 16:38 17Sphynx17 wrote:
Disregarding the fact of determining "how" it all happened, I am now onto the train of thought of "why it needed to happen".
Sasuke only has 1 sharingan left because one of his eyes got upgraded.
Since Sasuke has used Susanoo with just 1 sharingan and 1 rinnengan, you can assume that at least 1 sharingan is all you need to summon Susanoo as long as you can do it.
So would giving kakashi 2 sharingan more than likely mean that Kishi wants kakashi to lock Kaguya in an infinite loop reality unless she chooses to change like what Itachi did to Kabuto thus needing him to sacrifice one Sharingan in the process when all is said and done?
I am just thinking out loud here since it appears eye techniques technically work on Kaguya if she allowed them to hit. There is one problem with your idea though. I'm pretty sure one of the eyes is able to summon amaterasu and the other is the genjutsu eye. You need to combine the two to actually summon susano'o if I remember correctly. But Kishi has gone of script completely, none of the "rules" of the shinobi world apply anymore :// the Susano'o was never shown to be related to the eye though, its not like it was shown to be connected to it or the eyes do something when its summoned the eyes are jsut a reflection of how there chakra has evolved
Except it was. Back when Sasuke fought Itachi and there was all that exposition about the Mangekyou and ocular jutsu. If you exclude Madara using it with no eyes, which was likely poor planning on Kishimoto's part, it's only ever been used once someone had two eyes. I would think the fact that neither Kakashi nor Obito had ever used it, but once Kakashi gets both he can suddenly use it is pretty straightforward.
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On August 08 2014 01:11 NewSunshine wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2014 23:53 Forikorder wrote:On August 07 2014 17:18 ArieDeOwner wrote:On August 07 2014 16:38 17Sphynx17 wrote:
Disregarding the fact of determining "how" it all happened, I am now onto the train of thought of "why it needed to happen".
Sasuke only has 1 sharingan left because one of his eyes got upgraded.
Since Sasuke has used Susanoo with just 1 sharingan and 1 rinnengan, you can assume that at least 1 sharingan is all you need to summon Susanoo as long as you can do it.
So would giving kakashi 2 sharingan more than likely mean that Kishi wants kakashi to lock Kaguya in an infinite loop reality unless she chooses to change like what Itachi did to Kabuto thus needing him to sacrifice one Sharingan in the process when all is said and done?
I am just thinking out loud here since it appears eye techniques technically work on Kaguya if she allowed them to hit. There is one problem with your idea though. I'm pretty sure one of the eyes is able to summon amaterasu and the other is the genjutsu eye. You need to combine the two to actually summon susano'o if I remember correctly. But Kishi has gone of script completely, none of the "rules" of the shinobi world apply anymore :// the Susano'o was never shown to be related to the eye though, its not like it was shown to be connected to it or the eyes do something when its summoned the eyes are jsut a reflection of how there chakra has evolved Except it was. Back when Sasuke fought Itachi and there was all that exposition about the Mangekyou and ocular jutsu. If you exclude Madara using it with no eyes, which was likely poor planning on Kishimoto's part, it's only ever been used once someone had two eyes. I would think the fact that neither Kakashi nor Obito had ever used it, but once Kakashi gets both he can suddenly use it is pretty straightforward.
thats jsut a coincidence correlation does not mean causation just because the only Uchihas badass enough to use Susano'o had both eyes doesnt mean you need 2 eyes to use it
and the 2nd hokage explained that the eyes change because of a reaction that starts in the brain
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you guys ever think that maybe the characters are just characters and sometimes they don't know everything about kishi's universe? we can all say this is a fact because this character said this, but kishi can do whatever he wants because, he can. Whatever inconsistency in dialogue or actions can be consistent by making stuff up, since, you know, it's a cartoon... a universe that is made up, can make more things up to remain consistent. It's basic universe building 101. i agree a good foundation is needed but like you guys mentioned, madara summoned susanoo without eyes and so kakashi summoning one doesn't seem to be that far-fetch. as far as we know, kakashi got new eye powers that allowed him to summon susanoo since he's not even an uchiha and who knows how his eyes became like that.
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On August 08 2014 01:26 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2014 01:11 NewSunshine wrote:On August 07 2014 23:53 Forikorder wrote:On August 07 2014 17:18 ArieDeOwner wrote:On August 07 2014 16:38 17Sphynx17 wrote:
Disregarding the fact of determining "how" it all happened, I am now onto the train of thought of "why it needed to happen".
Sasuke only has 1 sharingan left because one of his eyes got upgraded.
Since Sasuke has used Susanoo with just 1 sharingan and 1 rinnengan, you can assume that at least 1 sharingan is all you need to summon Susanoo as long as you can do it.
So would giving kakashi 2 sharingan more than likely mean that Kishi wants kakashi to lock Kaguya in an infinite loop reality unless she chooses to change like what Itachi did to Kabuto thus needing him to sacrifice one Sharingan in the process when all is said and done?
I am just thinking out loud here since it appears eye techniques technically work on Kaguya if she allowed them to hit. There is one problem with your idea though. I'm pretty sure one of the eyes is able to summon amaterasu and the other is the genjutsu eye. You need to combine the two to actually summon susano'o if I remember correctly. But Kishi has gone of script completely, none of the "rules" of the shinobi world apply anymore :// the Susano'o was never shown to be related to the eye though, its not like it was shown to be connected to it or the eyes do something when its summoned the eyes are jsut a reflection of how there chakra has evolved Except it was. Back when Sasuke fought Itachi and there was all that exposition about the Mangekyou and ocular jutsu. If you exclude Madara using it with no eyes, which was likely poor planning on Kishimoto's part, it's only ever been used once someone had two eyes. I would think the fact that neither Kakashi nor Obito had ever used it, but once Kakashi gets both he can suddenly use it is pretty straightforward. thats jsut a coincidence correlation does not mean causation just because the only Uchihas badass enough to use Susano'o had both eyes doesnt mean you need 2 eyes to use it and the 2nd hokage explained that the eyes change because of a reaction that starts in the brain
It's not a coincidence, it was literally said that the jutsu you get when you use both eyes together is Susano'o.
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I also didn't say anything about how anyone got the Sharingan, I don't see what the 2nd Hokage has to do with anything. The fact that Kakashi can use it now that he has both eyes - and yet is not an Uchiha and as such does not possess their chakra - means it is connected to the eyes, ergo there are inconsistencies regarding when Madara lost his eyes.
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On August 08 2014 01:26 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2014 01:11 NewSunshine wrote:On August 07 2014 23:53 Forikorder wrote:On August 07 2014 17:18 ArieDeOwner wrote:On August 07 2014 16:38 17Sphynx17 wrote:
Disregarding the fact of determining "how" it all happened, I am now onto the train of thought of "why it needed to happen".
Sasuke only has 1 sharingan left because one of his eyes got upgraded.
Since Sasuke has used Susanoo with just 1 sharingan and 1 rinnengan, you can assume that at least 1 sharingan is all you need to summon Susanoo as long as you can do it.
So would giving kakashi 2 sharingan more than likely mean that Kishi wants kakashi to lock Kaguya in an infinite loop reality unless she chooses to change like what Itachi did to Kabuto thus needing him to sacrifice one Sharingan in the process when all is said and done?
I am just thinking out loud here since it appears eye techniques technically work on Kaguya if she allowed them to hit. There is one problem with your idea though. I'm pretty sure one of the eyes is able to summon amaterasu and the other is the genjutsu eye. You need to combine the two to actually summon susano'o if I remember correctly. But Kishi has gone of script completely, none of the "rules" of the shinobi world apply anymore :// the Susano'o was never shown to be related to the eye though, its not like it was shown to be connected to it or the eyes do something when its summoned the eyes are jsut a reflection of how there chakra has evolved Except it was. Back when Sasuke fought Itachi and there was all that exposition about the Mangekyou and ocular jutsu. If you exclude Madara using it with no eyes, which was likely poor planning on Kishimoto's part, it's only ever been used once someone had two eyes. I would think the fact that neither Kakashi nor Obito had ever used it, but once Kakashi gets both he can suddenly use it is pretty straightforward. thats jsut a coincidence correlation does not mean causation just because the only Uchihas badass enough to use Susano'o had both eyes doesnt mean you need 2 eyes to use it and the 2nd hokage explained that the eyes change because of a reaction that starts in the brain
That opens a whole other can of worms. That would mean Kakashi became a self-hating, emo teenager to the max because he now has 2 Mangekyou Sharingan.
Remember when Itachi had to bleed out of both of his eyes to use Susanoo? That was when Susanoo was introduced.
Itachi was able to hide mythical artifacts in his Susanoo. A shield and a sword that Orochimaru searched for. He took real things that existed and made them part of his Susanoo energy thing.
It is better the less you think about all the background given about techniques.
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On August 08 2014 03:56 Mataza wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2014 01:26 Forikorder wrote:On August 08 2014 01:11 NewSunshine wrote:On August 07 2014 23:53 Forikorder wrote:On August 07 2014 17:18 ArieDeOwner wrote:On August 07 2014 16:38 17Sphynx17 wrote:
Disregarding the fact of determining "how" it all happened, I am now onto the train of thought of "why it needed to happen".
Sasuke only has 1 sharingan left because one of his eyes got upgraded.
Since Sasuke has used Susanoo with just 1 sharingan and 1 rinnengan, you can assume that at least 1 sharingan is all you need to summon Susanoo as long as you can do it.
So would giving kakashi 2 sharingan more than likely mean that Kishi wants kakashi to lock Kaguya in an infinite loop reality unless she chooses to change like what Itachi did to Kabuto thus needing him to sacrifice one Sharingan in the process when all is said and done?
I am just thinking out loud here since it appears eye techniques technically work on Kaguya if she allowed them to hit. There is one problem with your idea though. I'm pretty sure one of the eyes is able to summon amaterasu and the other is the genjutsu eye. You need to combine the two to actually summon susano'o if I remember correctly. But Kishi has gone of script completely, none of the "rules" of the shinobi world apply anymore :// the Susano'o was never shown to be related to the eye though, its not like it was shown to be connected to it or the eyes do something when its summoned the eyes are jsut a reflection of how there chakra has evolved Except it was. Back when Sasuke fought Itachi and there was all that exposition about the Mangekyou and ocular jutsu. If you exclude Madara using it with no eyes, which was likely poor planning on Kishimoto's part, it's only ever been used once someone had two eyes. I would think the fact that neither Kakashi nor Obito had ever used it, but once Kakashi gets both he can suddenly use it is pretty straightforward. thats jsut a coincidence correlation does not mean causation just because the only Uchihas badass enough to use Susano'o had both eyes doesnt mean you need 2 eyes to use it and the 2nd hokage explained that the eyes change because of a reaction that starts in the brain That opens a whole other can of worms. That would mean Kakashi became a self-hating, emo teenager to the max because he now has 2 Mangekyou Sharingan. Remember when Itachi had to bleed out of both of his eyes to use Susanoo? That was when Susanoo was introduced. Itachi was able to hide mythical artifacts in his Susanoo. A shield and a sword that Orochimaru searched for. He took real things that existed and made them part of his Susanoo energy thing. It is better the less you think about all the background given about techniques.
He was becoming kinda emo about "not being able to contribute" so that sounds like what you need to activate Susanoo. Phew, glad I have that one cleared up now.
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On August 07 2014 20:45 SilverSkyLark wrote:
Well, we all now that Kakashi made his name by being the copy cat ninja...
Okay I wouldn't be surprised if Hashirama's ghost will contact Sakura and give OP powers.
Although he became a Jounin while he was still a boy. Guess he just grew up used to the red eye techs.
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On August 08 2014 01:26 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2014 01:11 NewSunshine wrote:On August 07 2014 23:53 Forikorder wrote:On August 07 2014 17:18 ArieDeOwner wrote:On August 07 2014 16:38 17Sphynx17 wrote:
Disregarding the fact of determining "how" it all happened, I am now onto the train of thought of "why it needed to happen".
Sasuke only has 1 sharingan left because one of his eyes got upgraded.
Since Sasuke has used Susanoo with just 1 sharingan and 1 rinnengan, you can assume that at least 1 sharingan is all you need to summon Susanoo as long as you can do it.
So would giving kakashi 2 sharingan more than likely mean that Kishi wants kakashi to lock Kaguya in an infinite loop reality unless she chooses to change like what Itachi did to Kabuto thus needing him to sacrifice one Sharingan in the process when all is said and done?
I am just thinking out loud here since it appears eye techniques technically work on Kaguya if she allowed them to hit. There is one problem with your idea though. I'm pretty sure one of the eyes is able to summon amaterasu and the other is the genjutsu eye. You need to combine the two to actually summon susano'o if I remember correctly. But Kishi has gone of script completely, none of the "rules" of the shinobi world apply anymore :// the Susano'o was never shown to be related to the eye though, its not like it was shown to be connected to it or the eyes do something when its summoned the eyes are jsut a reflection of how there chakra has evolved Except it was. Back when Sasuke fought Itachi and there was all that exposition about the Mangekyou and ocular jutsu. If you exclude Madara using it with no eyes, which was likely poor planning on Kishimoto's part, it's only ever been used once someone had two eyes. I would think the fact that neither Kakashi nor Obito had ever used it, but once Kakashi gets both he can suddenly use it is pretty straightforward. thats jsut a coincidence correlation does not mean causation just because the only Uchihas badass enough to use Susano'o had both eyes doesnt mean you need 2 eyes to use it and the 2nd hokage explained that the eyes change because of a reaction that starts in the brain
sorry but you're wrong. NewSunshine has it spot on. It's been said and he linked the manga panel, that you need both eyes to activate Susanoo. We can use that as the reason Kakashi can activate it however, it was also said that one has to have special eyes to awaken Susanoo so who knows if he meant that Sasuke has eyes capable of that or if he was just referring to any Uchiha with a pair of mangekyo sharingans(or anyone with a pair for that matter like Kakashi).
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It's not a coincidence, it was literally said that the jutsu you get when you use both eyes together is Susano'o.
no it does not literally say that, he saids only those who can control the double mangekyo can use it, so anyone who has awakened there mangekyo can use it, it does not say that only those who currently have 2 mangekyo can use it
also Sasuke is not the master of Uchiha lore, Madara is Sasuke is like a 18 year old kid maybe we shouldnt take the shit he talks about as complete fact
I also didn't say anything about how anyone got the Sharingan, I don't see what the 2nd Hokage has to do with anything. The fact that Kakashi can use it now that he has both eyes - and yet is not an Uchiha and as such does not possess their chakra - means it is connected to the eyes, ergo there are inconsistencies regarding when Madara lost his eyes.
Kakashi has had a Sharingan for years im williong to believe that his chakra would have changed as it developed alongside the Sharingan
Remember when Itachi had to bleed out of both of his eyes to use Susanoo? That was when Susanoo was introduced.
Itachi was able to hide mythical artifacts in his Susanoo. A shield and a sword that Orochimaru searched for. He took real things that existed and made them part of his Susanoo energy thing.
Itachi was deathly sick remember
well the sword at least was a mystical spirit sword without form so thats not wierd
and the shield may the same sorta deal they could be actually inside Itachi and he brings them out with his Susano'o
they could be like the 4 ninja tools the twin dudes used and put a heavy strain on the wielder and by having his Susano'o use them bypass that
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On August 08 2014 12:13 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +It's not a coincidence, it was literally said that the jutsu you get when you use both eyes together is Susano'o. no it does not literally say that, he saids only those who can control the double mangekyo can use it, so anyone who has awakened there mangekyo can use it, it does not say that only those who currently have 2 mangekyo can use italso Sasuke is not the master of Uchiha lore, Madara is Sasuke is like a 18 year old kid maybe we shouldnt take the shit he talks about as complete fact Show nested quote +I also didn't say anything about how anyone got the Sharingan, I don't see what the 2nd Hokage has to do with anything. The fact that Kakashi can use it now that he has both eyes - and yet is not an Uchiha and as such does not possess their chakra - means it is connected to the eyes, ergo there are inconsistencies regarding when Madara lost his eyes. Kakashi has had a Sharingan for years im williong to believe that his chakra would have changed as it developed alongside the Sharingan Show nested quote +
Remember when Itachi had to bleed out of both of his eyes to use Susanoo? That was when Susanoo was introduced.
Itachi was able to hide mythical artifacts in his Susanoo. A shield and a sword that Orochimaru searched for. He took real things that existed and made them part of his Susanoo energy thing.
Itachi was deathly sick remember well the sword at least was a mystical spirit sword without form so thats not wierd and the shield may the same sorta deal they could be actually inside Itachi and he brings them out with his Susano'o they could be like the 4 ninja tools the twin dudes used and put a heavy strain on the wielder and by having his Susano'o use them bypass that
what? you just contradicted yourself in the same line lol ><
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On August 08 2014 12:34 BigFan wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2014 12:13 Forikorder wrote:It's not a coincidence, it was literally said that the jutsu you get when you use both eyes together is Susano'o. no it does not literally say that, he saids only those who can control the double mangekyo can use it, so anyone who has awakened there mangekyo can use it, it does not say that only those who currently have 2 mangekyo can use italso Sasuke is not the master of Uchiha lore, Madara is Sasuke is like a 18 year old kid maybe we shouldnt take the shit he talks about as complete fact I also didn't say anything about how anyone got the Sharingan, I don't see what the 2nd Hokage has to do with anything. The fact that Kakashi can use it now that he has both eyes - and yet is not an Uchiha and as such does not possess their chakra - means it is connected to the eyes, ergo there are inconsistencies regarding when Madara lost his eyes. Kakashi has had a Sharingan for years im williong to believe that his chakra would have changed as it developed alongside the Sharingan
Remember when Itachi had to bleed out of both of his eyes to use Susanoo? That was when Susanoo was introduced.
Itachi was able to hide mythical artifacts in his Susanoo. A shield and a sword that Orochimaru searched for. He took real things that existed and made them part of his Susanoo energy thing.
Itachi was deathly sick remember well the sword at least was a mystical spirit sword without form so thats not wierd and the shield may the same sorta deal they could be actually inside Itachi and he brings them out with his Susano'o they could be like the 4 ninja tools the twin dudes used and put a heavy strain on the wielder and by having his Susano'o use them bypass that what? you just contradicted yourself in the same line lol ><
no i didnt
he says those who can control the double mangekyo (as in those who have awoken it) can susano'o, he does not say that those who have the double mangekyo can susano'o,. so he put more emphasis on awakening them then having them which shows the Susano'o is not directly linked tot he eyes
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On August 08 2014 12:46 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2014 12:34 BigFan wrote:On August 08 2014 12:13 Forikorder wrote:It's not a coincidence, it was literally said that the jutsu you get when you use both eyes together is Susano'o. no it does not literally say that, he saids only those who can control the double mangekyo can use it, so anyone who has awakened there mangekyo can use it, it does not say that only those who currently have 2 mangekyo can use italso Sasuke is not the master of Uchiha lore, Madara is Sasuke is like a 18 year old kid maybe we shouldnt take the shit he talks about as complete fact I also didn't say anything about how anyone got the Sharingan, I don't see what the 2nd Hokage has to do with anything. The fact that Kakashi can use it now that he has both eyes - and yet is not an Uchiha and as such does not possess their chakra - means it is connected to the eyes, ergo there are inconsistencies regarding when Madara lost his eyes. Kakashi has had a Sharingan for years im williong to believe that his chakra would have changed as it developed alongside the Sharingan
Remember when Itachi had to bleed out of both of his eyes to use Susanoo? That was when Susanoo was introduced.
Itachi was able to hide mythical artifacts in his Susanoo. A shield and a sword that Orochimaru searched for. He took real things that existed and made them part of his Susanoo energy thing.
Itachi was deathly sick remember well the sword at least was a mystical spirit sword without form so thats not wierd and the shield may the same sorta deal they could be actually inside Itachi and he brings them out with his Susano'o they could be like the 4 ninja tools the twin dudes used and put a heavy strain on the wielder and by having his Susano'o use them bypass that what? you just contradicted yourself in the same line lol >< no i didnt he says those who can control the double mangekyo (as in those who have awoken it) can susano'o, he does not say that those who have the double mangekyo can susano'o,. so he put more emphasis on awakening them then having them which shows the Susano'o is not directly linked tot he eyes
what? no >< You wrote it yourself! lol. You have to awaken it obviously but you need TWO of them, aka TWO eyes! lol. It's been known for a long time that each eye gives you some power then when you have both mangekyo's you get Susanoo. Dunno why you're saying otherwise now.
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LOL - another ridiculous argument brought forth by Forikorder. Christ dude, you're trying to argue that the word 'control' in that panel means 'awaken'. It's pretty obvious that you put forward a theory that was fundamentally flawed and someone used the manga as evidence to refute your theory. Instead of graciously accepting that you are sometimes wrong, you instead try to defend your now debunked theory by re-defining the English language.
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