EPT1. Susano'o requires double eyes: then Madara using it without eyes is a mistake
2. Susano'o requires the special Uchiha chakra in the brain: then Kakashi using it without Uchiha chakra is a mistake.
You can't have your cake and eat it too.
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LaughingTulkas
United States1107 Posts
1. Susano'o requires double eyes: then Madara using it without eyes is a mistake 2. Susano'o requires the special Uchiha chakra in the brain: then Kakashi using it without Uchiha chakra is a mistake. You can't have your cake and eat it too. | ||
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Lokian
United States699 Posts
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sumsaR
Sweden1812 Posts
On August 08 2014 21:24 Lokian wrote: maybe obito fused with kakashi? that could be why he said it was "temporary." Can't remember reading that word. "Here have this tempory power-up so you can become hokage temporarily.", eh? | ||
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Eshra
France1009 Posts
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17Sphynx17
580 Posts
On August 08 2014 21:58 Eshra wrote: He said his gift " might expire ". If that's the case, then Obito and the rest of them are not really fighting Kaguya, they are only dreaming they are fighting her. But if they defeat her, then they break the tsukiyomi and awaken from the dream hence the BS powerups were not real in the awaken reality. OMG, it all makes sense. | ||
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freelander
Hungary4707 Posts
When Madara got revived, and fought against the army alone, he activated Susanoo to defend against something. Then I think Gaara pulled him out of the Susanoo with sand and Naruto hurled a Rasen Shuriken at him. He was forced to activate the Rinnegan to absorb the projectile. When he did that, the Susanoo disappeared. | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On August 08 2014 20:37 sumsaR wrote: Nice strawman. Who exactly has said chakra comes from the eyes? if the chakra does not come from the eyes, then theres no reason there necesary for Susano'o 2. Susano'o requires the special Uchiha chakra in the brain: then Kakashi using it without Uchiha chakra is a mistake. Kakashi has had the Sharingan for years, its not wierd that the sharingan would effect his development and he received Obitos Chakra | ||
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
On August 08 2014 17:04 BigFan wrote: out of curiosity, might mentioning what the evidence is? I'm sure Madara will be used as an example but I believe many people including myself believe that was a mistake on Kishi's part when he wrote it. The proof that Kakashi can use Susanoo now and not before with one mangekyo (or even without it after he lost it) can be used to support the notion that the eyes play a big role. Sphinx pretty much explained what I had in mind. Anyways, I had a talk with a friend about this and we kinda agreed that Kishi didn't really explain things well enough about the mangekyo. As a final note, Obito and Shisui had different eye powers and neither seems to have awoken Susanoo though Obito only ever had one mangekyo so he technically couldn't and Shisui wasn't spoken much off aside from the small bits we got. Oh, I don't actually disagree with the assessment that you are supposed to have done whatever is required to be able to use mangyeko. I just don't think that the eyes are needed to use susanoo. 1.) as we know, madara made the susanoo without eyes. 2.) madara also summoned susanoo while he had 2 rinnegan instead of sharingan 3.) itachi summoned it while not using mangyeko sharingan 4.) i read on some link while researching this, about the lore of susanoo: "All three were born from Izanagi, when he washed his face clean of the pollutants of Yomi, the underworld. Amaterasu was born when Izanagi washed out his left eye, Tsukuyomi was born from the washing of the right eye, and Susanoo from the washing of the nose." So, amaterasu = left eye, tsukuyomi = right eye, susanoo = nose | ||
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sumsaR
Sweden1812 Posts
On August 09 2014 00:40 Forikorder wrote: if the chakra does not come from the eyes, then theres no reason there necesary for Susano'o So no one said it? And why do chakra need to come from the eyes for eyes being necessary for manifesting susanoo? Have you considered that the eyes are just part of the various requirements? That you'd need the correct eyes in combination with the correct chakra (which doesn't come from the eyes)? On August 09 2014 00:40 Forikorder wrote: Kakashi has had the Sharingan for years, its not wierd that the sharingan would effect his development and he received Obitos Chakra So Obito magically turned into a tailed beast/Naruto so he can transfer his chakra (AND EYES, JESUS CHRIST KISHI) to people? | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
So no one said it? And why do chakra need to come from the eyes for eyes being necessary for manifesting susanoo? Have you considered that the eyes are just part of the various requirements? That you'd need the correct eyes in combination with the correct chakra (which doesn't come from the eyes)? is there any reason at all to believe that? So Obito magically turned into a tailed beast/Naruto so he can transfer his chakra (AND EYES, JESUS CHRIST KISHI) to people? people who arent Naruto have been doing that for ages like when the 3rd put himself and his wife inside Naruto to live on | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
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GettingIt
1656 Posts
On August 09 2014 02:19 NewSunshine wrote: I imagine this is what it's like arguing with a golfer. What is that even supposed to mean haha | ||
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sumsaR
Sweden1812 Posts
I'm imagining he's attempting to be as absurd as Forik. | ||
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TMG26
Portugal2017 Posts
On August 09 2014 01:35 travis wrote: So, amaterasu = left eye, tsukuyomi = right eye, susanoo = nose The Almighty nose. | ||
Shellshock
United States97277 Posts
On August 08 2014 23:35 17Sphynx17 wrote: If that's the case, then Obito and the rest of them are not really fighting Kaguya, they are only dreaming they are fighting her. But if they defeat her, then they break the tsukiyomi and awaken from the dream hence the BS powerups were not real in the awaken reality. OMG, it all makes sense. They think they beat her and then it zooms out to the real world to show them all still trapped in the cocoons | ||
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issh
Netherlands96 Posts
I think its kinda lame, but when Madara used it without his eyes, i just assumed that thats how it worked, somehow. Then again its probably just a mistake on Kishi's part, why the fuck is this raising so much discussing though?  | ||
BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On August 09 2014 01:35 travis wrote: Oh, I don't actually disagree with the assessment that you are supposed to have done whatever is required to be able to use mangyeko. I just don't think that the eyes are needed to use susanoo. 1.) as we know, madara made the susanoo without eyes. 2.) madara also summoned susanoo while he had 2 rinnegan instead of sharingan 3.) itachi summoned it while not using mangyeko sharingan 4.) i read on some link while researching this, about the lore of susanoo: "All three were born from Izanagi, when he washed his face clean of the pollutants of Yomi, the underworld. Amaterasu was born when Izanagi washed out his left eye, Tsukuyomi was born from the washing of the right eye, and Susanoo from the washing of the nose." So, amaterasu = left eye, tsukuyomi = right eye, susanoo = nose 1) agree though I chalk it up to a mistake on Kishi's part. 2) We could argue that since rinnegan comes from sharingan, you have the potential to use Susanoo however Nagato never did so that kind takes that point out. This of course, assumes he can't and not that he doesn't want to. 3) when was this? After he got revived? 4) LOL. When I first read the last line, thought you were making a joke but not so much after I read the full post. I always (since it got introduced) saw Susanoo as a combination of the eyes so once you awaken both of those two powers, you get the third power, Susanoo. I believe it was Sasuke from that manga panel posted earlier (or maybe Itachi) that set that point straight. | ||
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Sponkz
Denmark4564 Posts
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
On August 09 2014 02:27 sumsaR wrote: I'm imagining he's attempting to be as absurd as Forik. PLEASE no, I could never pull that off, it was mostly an inside joke, from me to me. | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
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