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On June 03 2010 13:03 Navi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2010 11:31 JIJIyO wrote:So for some odd reason I went to check this thread because I haven't followed Naruto in forever. Read the latest chapter and found the art terrible. Isn't this supposed to be a good fight? I'm not intending to troll or anything, but personally Naruto sort of died for me after the exam arc =( I thought that black guy was cool though. + Show Spoiler +![[image loading]](http://i48.tinypic.com/2aez6s8.jpg) Really? That's Rasengan? A bunch of scribbles? I thought the same when I looked at it... but kishi and kubo both seem to be really stepping down their artwork now that they're big; all of their characters are a lot more "round" feel-y (maybe the effects of computerization) and often underdone. oh well at least they're better than that spurt of time when each chapter of hunter x hunter looked like its raw
At least the HxH author had a good excuse.
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On June 03 2010 12:52 Nal_rAwr wrote: ya its supposed to be a sphere with chakra spinning in it
how else do you draw it Maybe like this or something similar. Add some artistic flare to it or something instead of a bunch of scribbles.
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On June 03 2010 13:03 Navi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2010 11:31 JIJIyO wrote:So for some odd reason I went to check this thread because I haven't followed Naruto in forever. Read the latest chapter and found the art terrible. Isn't this supposed to be a good fight? I'm not intending to troll or anything, but personally Naruto sort of died for me after the exam arc =( I thought that black guy was cool though. + Show Spoiler +![[image loading]](http://i48.tinypic.com/2aez6s8.jpg) Really? That's Rasengan? A bunch of scribbles? I thought the same when I looked at it... but kishi and kubo both seem to be really stepping down their artwork now that they're big; all of their characters are a lot more "round" feel-y (maybe the effects of computerization) and often underdone. oh well at least they're better than that spurt of time when each chapter of hunter x hunter looked like its raw
I was also thinking of bringing up Bleach as well, but this is the Naruto thread. The white background stuff really makes me sad. It's so bland. I know it's the world of the dead, but put some effort into it Kubo.
I love HxH, but don't read the manga (make more OVAs pls). Maybe I should and see how bad this is haha.
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IMO this was the first quality chapter in a while. Action is actually happening!
On June 03 2010 13:27 JIJIyO wrote: I love HxH, but don't read the manga (make more OVAs pls). Maybe I should and see how bad this is haha.
HxH manga is great. Don't hate D=
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lol JIJIyO you know that a computer graphic is completely different than a manga drawing right? i'm sure they could've made it look like that if they wanted their mangas in color and spent more time, but they dont have that time nor the budget (just my guess) to do so
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On June 03 2010 13:33 nbtnbt5 wrote:IMO this was the first quality chapter in a while. Action is actually happening! Show nested quote +On June 03 2010 13:27 JIJIyO wrote: I love HxH, but don't read the manga (make more OVAs pls). Maybe I should and see how bad this is haha. HxH manga is great. Don't hate D= I'm not hating, just want to see how bad the quality is haha. Ryodan arc = one of the best arcs I've ever seen.
On June 03 2010 13:40 BlueRoyaL wrote: lol JIJIyO you know that a computer graphic is completely different than a manga drawing right? i'm sure they could've made it look like that if they wanted their mangas in color and spent more time, but they dont have that time nor the budget (just my guess) to do so Yeah, I'm aware of that, but it's not just the Rasengan, but the chapter as a whole. It really seemed lacking, and if memory serves me correctly, some of the earlier Naruto chapters have better art than this. Well, Kishi is cashing in on Naruto, so maybe that's why he hasn't been keeping up the quality. I don't read Naruto, so this is all just my assumption. Not trying to start a flamewar, so hope you guys enjoy your Naruto =]
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HxH is too good man...
+ Show Spoiler +I didn't expect Gon to go over 9000 with his life compression technique against Pitou..
too bad it's on hiatus again. I really like where it was going..
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Does anyone else think Sasuke is just becoming more stupid as a character? Let's face it, Naruto trains his ass off to learn new abilities and what not. And here Sasuke gets his abilities inherited from Itachi. That's not even the problem, his powers are so bland, boring, and require no skill to use. Maybe it takes a lot out of the user, but that hardly constitutes as exciting. All Sasuke does, with his mangekyou (which they seem to be making more and more OP as time goes on) is stand there and set people on fire by looking at them. A fire that can't be stopped and nearly defeated the friggen 8 tail demon. Oh don't worry about the 9 tails, apparently the mangekyou is already strong enough to control it itself. Not only that, he doesn't even have to move out of the way when attacked by an extremely powerful attack. He stands there and lets Susanoo take it. This would be a typical fight with Sasuke. Ninja A dashes around, does a bunch of crazy crap, and tries to kill Sasuke. Sasuke sits in 1 spot, and blocks it all with Susanoo while setting people on fire which = GG right away. Seriously, how in the world does ANYONE stop Amaterasu? It has a couple of counters, one that only Tobi/Madara seems to know about (although I doubt it'd his time space ability, as he would have just done the same for the destruction bugs that Torune put in him), and being super fast like the Raikage. Let's face it, one of the strongest ninjas, the Raikage, had his arm put out of commission just by some skill-less fire that can't be stopped. The Raikage actually had to move faster than the eye could keep up with (which was very cool and original way of countering the Amaterasu IMO).
Here we have the Byakugan who I used to think was very powerful, but lately it's just been getting useless compared to all the abilities that the Sharingan can do. They've been giving the Sharingan so much development, that the Byakugan looks like crap in comparison. Why don't we list what each is capable of?
Byaukgan -Increase range of view -Allows a near 360 degree of vision -Can see through objects and chakra
Sharingan -Develops into those 3 dots that connect, each dot granting new powers -turns into the Mangekyou -sets shit on fire that can't be stopped unless you permanently sever the part -has the power to control the 9 tails -Has a shield even more powerful than Gaara's, Susanoo -can make illusion, that can even be developed into stronger illusions that can be time controlled -can copy any justu by following the hand seals -can make shit disappear just like Kakashi did when saving Choji -Izanagi, which warps reality (although makes you go blind) -Kamui -etc
Cool as it is I just think it's getting lame that they're heaping so much powers onto this eye power. Sasuke doesn't even have to move anymore, what's the point of being fast? Just set whatever you look at on fire and you're good to go.
PS: I really miss Shino and his clan. Torune was cool IMO, but we don't get to see much of their development anymore, let alone any of the other characters. The manga is pretty much just about Naruto and Sasuke now. Saskura is useless as ever too.
Oh well, it's still pretty good though, looking forward to the development of Naruto vs the Kyuubi.
Conclusion: Basically, Sasuke is now a very (nearly OP) character who we derive excitement from by watching OTHER characters try to devise plans to overcome his OPness. He hardly does anything exciting or original himself. His fight with Deidara was totally 1 sided once you realize how his electricity stops all effects of Deidara's bombs. It was still exciting though, because I was delightfully entertained by the counter counter that Deidara threw out when we realized he had trained to overcome the Sharingan's illusions. Too bad Sasuke is just a natural counter with his electricity, he would have lost otherwise.
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Didn't Sasuke manage to dodge the fire shit himself when he was against Itachi? I guess that doesn't count since Itachi was gonna die anyway with his disease or something but you're practically right, Sasuke just needs to stand there and go 1a2a3a (shoot the bigass arrow of Susanoo, set shit on fire, set shit into an endless genjutsu - in any order) while his opponents try to move around and shit to scratch him...
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to this day, i am still bitter that sakura is still alive. dammit, naruto!!!! sasuke was gonna kill her useless ass!!
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On June 03 2010 18:44 Pandonetho wrote: Does anyone else think Sasuke is just becoming more stupid as a character? Let's face it, Naruto trains his ass off to learn new abilities and what not. And here Sasuke gets his abilities inherited from Itachi. That's not even the problem, his powers are so bland, boring, and require no skill to use. Maybe it takes a lot out of the user, but that hardly constitutes as exciting. All Sasuke does, with his mangekyou (which they seem to be making more and more OP as time goes on) is stand there and set people on fire by looking at them. A fire that can't be stopped and nearly defeated the friggen 8 tail demon. Oh don't worry about the 9 tails, apparently the mangekyou is already strong enough to control it itself. Not only that, he doesn't even have to move out of the way when attacked by an extremely powerful attack. He stands there and lets Susanoo take it. This would be a typical fight with Sasuke. Ninja A dashes around, does a bunch of crazy crap, and tries to kill Sasuke. Sasuke sits in 1 spot, and blocks it all with Susanoo while setting people on fire which = GG right away. Seriously, how in the world does ANYONE stop Amaterasu? It has a couple of counters, one that only Tobi/Madara seems to know about (although I doubt it'd his time space ability, as he would have just done the same for the destruction bugs that Torune put in him), and being super fast like the Raikage. Let's face it, one of the strongest ninjas, the Raikage, had his arm put out of commission just by some skill-less fire that can't be stopped. The Raikage actually had to move faster than the eye could keep up with (which was very cool and original way of countering the Amaterasu IMO).
Here we have the Byakugan who I used to think was very powerful, but lately it's just been getting useless compared to all the abilities that the Sharingan can do. They've been giving the Sharingan so much development, that the Byakugan looks like crap in comparison. Why don't we list what each is capable of?
Byaukgan -Increase range of view -Allows a near 360 degree of vision -Can see through objects and chakra
Sharingan -Develops into those 3 dots that connect, each dot granting new powers -turns into the Mangekyou -sets shit on fire that can't be stopped unless you permanently sever the part -has the power to control the 9 tails -Has a shield even more powerful than Gaara's, Susanoo -can make illusion, that can even be developed into stronger illusions that can be time controlled -can copy any justu by following the hand seals -can make shit disappear just like Kakashi did when saving Choji -Izanagi, which warps reality (although makes you go blind) -Kamui -etc
Cool as it is I just think it's getting lame that they're heaping so much powers onto this eye power. Sasuke doesn't even have to move anymore, what's the point of being fast? Just set whatever you look at on fire and you're good to go.
PS: I really miss Shino and his clan. Torune was cool IMO, but we don't get to see much of their development anymore, let alone any of the other characters. The manga is pretty much just about Naruto and Sasuke now. Saskura is useless as ever too.
Oh well, it's still pretty good though, looking forward to the development of Naruto vs the Kyuubi.
Conclusion: Basically, Sasuke is now a very (nearly OP) character who we derive excitement from by watching OTHER characters try to devise plans to overcome his OPness. He hardly does anything exciting or original himself. His fight with Deidara was totally 1 sided once you realize how his electricity stops all effects of Deidara's bombs. It was still exciting though, because I was delightfully entertained by the counter counter that Deidara threw out when we realized he had trained to overcome the Sharingan's illusions. Too bad Sasuke is just a natural counter with his electricity, he would have lost otherwise.
Sasuke is getting overpowered is fine, it'll just make Naruto v Sasuke rematch even better. I'm also curious to see what kind of new techniques he has now that he's acquired permanent MS. Besides, once Naruto beats the Kyubi and has access to the Kyubi chakra + sage mode he's going to be ridiculously powerful.
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On June 03 2010 19:24 space_yes wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2010 18:44 Pandonetho wrote: Does anyone else think Sasuke is just becoming more stupid as a character? Let's face it, Naruto trains his ass off to learn new abilities and what not. And here Sasuke gets his abilities inherited from Itachi. That's not even the problem, his powers are so bland, boring, and require no skill to use. Maybe it takes a lot out of the user, but that hardly constitutes as exciting. All Sasuke does, with his mangekyou (which they seem to be making more and more OP as time goes on) is stand there and set people on fire by looking at them. A fire that can't be stopped and nearly defeated the friggen 8 tail demon. Oh don't worry about the 9 tails, apparently the mangekyou is already strong enough to control it itself. Not only that, he doesn't even have to move out of the way when attacked by an extremely powerful attack. He stands there and lets Susanoo take it. This would be a typical fight with Sasuke. Ninja A dashes around, does a bunch of crazy crap, and tries to kill Sasuke. Sasuke sits in 1 spot, and blocks it all with Susanoo while setting people on fire which = GG right away. Seriously, how in the world does ANYONE stop Amaterasu? It has a couple of counters, one that only Tobi/Madara seems to know about (although I doubt it'd his time space ability, as he would have just done the same for the destruction bugs that Torune put in him), and being super fast like the Raikage. Let's face it, one of the strongest ninjas, the Raikage, had his arm put out of commission just by some skill-less fire that can't be stopped. The Raikage actually had to move faster than the eye could keep up with (which was very cool and original way of countering the Amaterasu IMO).
Here we have the Byakugan who I used to think was very powerful, but lately it's just been getting useless compared to all the abilities that the Sharingan can do. They've been giving the Sharingan so much development, that the Byakugan looks like crap in comparison. Why don't we list what each is capable of?
Byaukgan -Increase range of view -Allows a near 360 degree of vision -Can see through objects and chakra
Sharingan -Develops into those 3 dots that connect, each dot granting new powers -turns into the Mangekyou -sets shit on fire that can't be stopped unless you permanently sever the part -has the power to control the 9 tails -Has a shield even more powerful than Gaara's, Susanoo -can make illusion, that can even be developed into stronger illusions that can be time controlled -can copy any justu by following the hand seals -can make shit disappear just like Kakashi did when saving Choji -Izanagi, which warps reality (although makes you go blind) -Kamui -etc
Cool as it is I just think it's getting lame that they're heaping so much powers onto this eye power. Sasuke doesn't even have to move anymore, what's the point of being fast? Just set whatever you look at on fire and you're good to go.
PS: I really miss Shino and his clan. Torune was cool IMO, but we don't get to see much of their development anymore, let alone any of the other characters. The manga is pretty much just about Naruto and Sasuke now. Saskura is useless as ever too.
Oh well, it's still pretty good though, looking forward to the development of Naruto vs the Kyuubi.
Conclusion: Basically, Sasuke is now a very (nearly OP) character who we derive excitement from by watching OTHER characters try to devise plans to overcome his OPness. He hardly does anything exciting or original himself. His fight with Deidara was totally 1 sided once you realize how his electricity stops all effects of Deidara's bombs. It was still exciting though, because I was delightfully entertained by the counter counter that Deidara threw out when we realized he had trained to overcome the Sharingan's illusions. Too bad Sasuke is just a natural counter with his electricity, he would have lost otherwise. Sasuke is getting overpowered is fine, it'll just make Naruto v Sasuke rematch even better. I'm also curious to see what kind of new techniques he has now that he's acquired permanent MS. Besides, once Naruto beats the Kyubi and has access to the Kyubi chakra + sage mode he's going to be ridiculously powerful.
If Sasuke gets overpowered he can prolly take the 9 tails from Naruto like getting the tissue you need from a tissue roll.
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Sasuke is getting overpowered is fine, it'll just make Naruto v Sasuke rematch even better. I'm also curious to see what kind of new techniques he has now that he's acquired permanent MS.
We already know his (the MS) powers, unless the author decides to give him even MORE powers.
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agree about the drawing being worst .
that sad he dont put much time into drawing anymore , and just create fast chapter .
if you want to see the drawing style , just check chapter 1-100 , he was drawing background back there and everything was kinda better .
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On June 03 2010 19:26 SilverSkyLark wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2010 19:24 space_yes wrote:On June 03 2010 18:44 Pandonetho wrote: Does anyone else think Sasuke is just becoming more stupid as a character? Let's face it, Naruto trains his ass off to learn new abilities and what not. And here Sasuke gets his abilities inherited from Itachi. That's not even the problem, his powers are so bland, boring, and require no skill to use. Maybe it takes a lot out of the user, but that hardly constitutes as exciting. All Sasuke does, with his mangekyou (which they seem to be making more and more OP as time goes on) is stand there and set people on fire by looking at them. A fire that can't be stopped and nearly defeated the friggen 8 tail demon. Oh don't worry about the 9 tails, apparently the mangekyou is already strong enough to control it itself. Not only that, he doesn't even have to move out of the way when attacked by an extremely powerful attack. He stands there and lets Susanoo take it. This would be a typical fight with Sasuke. Ninja A dashes around, does a bunch of crazy crap, and tries to kill Sasuke. Sasuke sits in 1 spot, and blocks it all with Susanoo while setting people on fire which = GG right away. Seriously, how in the world does ANYONE stop Amaterasu? It has a couple of counters, one that only Tobi/Madara seems to know about (although I doubt it'd his time space ability, as he would have just done the same for the destruction bugs that Torune put in him), and being super fast like the Raikage. Let's face it, one of the strongest ninjas, the Raikage, had his arm put out of commission just by some skill-less fire that can't be stopped. The Raikage actually had to move faster than the eye could keep up with (which was very cool and original way of countering the Amaterasu IMO).
Here we have the Byakugan who I used to think was very powerful, but lately it's just been getting useless compared to all the abilities that the Sharingan can do. They've been giving the Sharingan so much development, that the Byakugan looks like crap in comparison. Why don't we list what each is capable of?
Byaukgan -Increase range of view -Allows a near 360 degree of vision -Can see through objects and chakra
Sharingan -Develops into those 3 dots that connect, each dot granting new powers -turns into the Mangekyou -sets shit on fire that can't be stopped unless you permanently sever the part -has the power to control the 9 tails -Has a shield even more powerful than Gaara's, Susanoo -can make illusion, that can even be developed into stronger illusions that can be time controlled -can copy any justu by following the hand seals -can make shit disappear just like Kakashi did when saving Choji -Izanagi, which warps reality (although makes you go blind) -Kamui -etc
Cool as it is I just think it's getting lame that they're heaping so much powers onto this eye power. Sasuke doesn't even have to move anymore, what's the point of being fast? Just set whatever you look at on fire and you're good to go.
PS: I really miss Shino and his clan. Torune was cool IMO, but we don't get to see much of their development anymore, let alone any of the other characters. The manga is pretty much just about Naruto and Sasuke now. Saskura is useless as ever too.
Oh well, it's still pretty good though, looking forward to the development of Naruto vs the Kyuubi.
Conclusion: Basically, Sasuke is now a very (nearly OP) character who we derive excitement from by watching OTHER characters try to devise plans to overcome his OPness. He hardly does anything exciting or original himself. His fight with Deidara was totally 1 sided once you realize how his electricity stops all effects of Deidara's bombs. It was still exciting though, because I was delightfully entertained by the counter counter that Deidara threw out when we realized he had trained to overcome the Sharingan's illusions. Too bad Sasuke is just a natural counter with his electricity, he would have lost otherwise. Sasuke is getting overpowered is fine, it'll just make Naruto v Sasuke rematch even better. I'm also curious to see what kind of new techniques he has now that he's acquired permanent MS. Besides, once Naruto beats the Kyubi and has access to the Kyubi chakra + sage mode he's going to be ridiculously powerful. If Sasuke gets overpowered he can prolly take the 9 tails from Naruto like getting the tissue you need from a tissue roll.
his weakness is that he has ABSOLUTELY no friends ;D edit: dont bump the thread , no manga out yet wtf ;O
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On June 03 2010 22:46 Madkipz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2010 19:26 SilverSkyLark wrote:On June 03 2010 19:24 space_yes wrote:On June 03 2010 18:44 Pandonetho wrote: Does anyone else think Sasuke is just becoming more stupid as a character? Let's face it, Naruto trains his ass off to learn new abilities and what not. And here Sasuke gets his abilities inherited from Itachi. That's not even the problem, his powers are so bland, boring, and require no skill to use. Maybe it takes a lot out of the user, but that hardly constitutes as exciting. All Sasuke does, with his mangekyou (which they seem to be making more and more OP as time goes on) is stand there and set people on fire by looking at them. A fire that can't be stopped and nearly defeated the friggen 8 tail demon. Oh don't worry about the 9 tails, apparently the mangekyou is already strong enough to control it itself. Not only that, he doesn't even have to move out of the way when attacked by an extremely powerful attack. He stands there and lets Susanoo take it. This would be a typical fight with Sasuke. Ninja A dashes around, does a bunch of crazy crap, and tries to kill Sasuke. Sasuke sits in 1 spot, and blocks it all with Susanoo while setting people on fire which = GG right away. Seriously, how in the world does ANYONE stop Amaterasu? It has a couple of counters, one that only Tobi/Madara seems to know about (although I doubt it'd his time space ability, as he would have just done the same for the destruction bugs that Torune put in him), and being super fast like the Raikage. Let's face it, one of the strongest ninjas, the Raikage, had his arm put out of commission just by some skill-less fire that can't be stopped. The Raikage actually had to move faster than the eye could keep up with (which was very cool and original way of countering the Amaterasu IMO).
Here we have the Byakugan who I used to think was very powerful, but lately it's just been getting useless compared to all the abilities that the Sharingan can do. They've been giving the Sharingan so much development, that the Byakugan looks like crap in comparison. Why don't we list what each is capable of?
Byaukgan -Increase range of view -Allows a near 360 degree of vision -Can see through objects and chakra
Sharingan -Develops into those 3 dots that connect, each dot granting new powers -turns into the Mangekyou -sets shit on fire that can't be stopped unless you permanently sever the part -has the power to control the 9 tails -Has a shield even more powerful than Gaara's, Susanoo -can make illusion, that can even be developed into stronger illusions that can be time controlled -can copy any justu by following the hand seals -can make shit disappear just like Kakashi did when saving Choji -Izanagi, which warps reality (although makes you go blind) -Kamui -etc
Cool as it is I just think it's getting lame that they're heaping so much powers onto this eye power. Sasuke doesn't even have to move anymore, what's the point of being fast? Just set whatever you look at on fire and you're good to go.
PS: I really miss Shino and his clan. Torune was cool IMO, but we don't get to see much of their development anymore, let alone any of the other characters. The manga is pretty much just about Naruto and Sasuke now. Saskura is useless as ever too.
Oh well, it's still pretty good though, looking forward to the development of Naruto vs the Kyuubi.
Conclusion: Basically, Sasuke is now a very (nearly OP) character who we derive excitement from by watching OTHER characters try to devise plans to overcome his OPness. He hardly does anything exciting or original himself. His fight with Deidara was totally 1 sided once you realize how his electricity stops all effects of Deidara's bombs. It was still exciting though, because I was delightfully entertained by the counter counter that Deidara threw out when we realized he had trained to overcome the Sharingan's illusions. Too bad Sasuke is just a natural counter with his electricity, he would have lost otherwise. Sasuke is getting overpowered is fine, it'll just make Naruto v Sasuke rematch even better. I'm also curious to see what kind of new techniques he has now that he's acquired permanent MS. Besides, once Naruto beats the Kyubi and has access to the Kyubi chakra + sage mode he's going to be ridiculously powerful. If Sasuke gets overpowered he can prolly take the 9 tails from Naruto like getting the tissue you need from a tissue roll. his weakness is that he has ABSOLUTELY no friends ;D edit: dont bump the thread , no manga out yet wtf ;O
been out since yesterday dude, check mangastream.
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kickass chapter love how naruto just meets his whole family when battling with the fox xD
and ya sasuke is just messed w/ all his rdm power-ups, will just have to w8 and see what finaly come from it
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On June 03 2010 11:14 Nal_rAwr wrote: as we're nearing the 500th chapter, lets make a list of all the plotholes and stuff we have yet to understand...
- kisame is in the sword - what is itachi's gift to naruto? - how did Rin die? - how does Kakashi have mangekyo?
actually there's probably dozens more, some of which might not even be answered
but if the manga were to end in like 3 chapters, what questions would be left?
add to the list: -who was in Kabuto's last coffin -Naruto's move that Minato wanted him to do -Naruto's mom's whirlwind clan information (any kekkei genkai?) -the power of Madara's combined 7 tailed beasts
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On June 04 2010 10:15 Sharkey wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2010 11:14 Nal_rAwr wrote: as we're nearing the 500th chapter, lets make a list of all the plotholes and stuff we have yet to understand...
- kisame is in the sword - what is itachi's gift to naruto? - how did Rin die? - how does Kakashi have mangekyo?
actually there's probably dozens more, some of which might not even be answered
but if the manga were to end in like 3 chapters, what questions would be left? add to the list: -who was in Kabuto's last coffin -Naruto's move that Minato wanted him to do -Naruto's mom's whirlwind clan information (any kekkei genkai?) -the power of Madara's combined 7 tailed beasts I really want to know what's in Kabuto's last coffin. And whats Naruto's mom's whirlwind clan O_O? never heard of it before.
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Yeah, I'm also very curious to see what's in the last coffin. Is it maybe the sage of the 6 paths? What could possibly make Madara be blackmailed, hmmm.
Also, lol at what's his face, the guy that got blown up by Shikamaru. While everyone else was resurrected he's still stuck in a pit.
They better answer all the questions! I really wanna know how Kakashi obtained the MS if the only way we know of getting it so far is to have a loved one die.
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