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jtype
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
England2167 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-09 23:10:15
June 09 2015 23:09 GMT
#561
I certainly wouldn't call Robin Hobb 'grimdark', although some grim things do take place and the tone is serious. Having said that, I don't even really know what the threshold for grimdark would be.

There are a lot of light moments in Robin Hobb's books and the books tend to escalate towards darkness at the climax, not starting from there, which is - I guess - what I would personally classify as grimdark. I've read all of them so far and they all start out on a more 'normal' note.
bookwyrm
Profile Joined March 2014
United States722 Posts
June 10 2015 16:05 GMT
#562
I'm reading Thomas Hobbes. is HE grimdark?
si hortum in bibliotheca habes, deerit nihil
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
June 10 2015 16:12 GMT
#563
Naw he's just realistic
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Paljas
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6926 Posts
June 10 2015 18:29 GMT
#564
nah, he's just dumb
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BookTwo
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
1985 Posts
June 10 2015 23:33 GMT
#565
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Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-10 23:57:13
June 10 2015 23:44 GMT
#566
Reminds me of that Flannery O'Connor quotation: "“Anything that comes out of the South is going to be called grotesque by the northern reader, unless it is grotesque, in which case it is going to be called realistic.” That piece of cow manure The Red Badge of Courage comes to mind.

On June 11 2015 01:05 bookwyrm wrote:
I'm reading Thomas Hobbes. is HE grimdark?


If you're only familiar with De Cive and Leviathan, you might think that he's simplistic and cold, but other writings reveal (I'm so learned!) a more complex, idealistic, even sentimental, man. He's also one of the most difficult people to read because most people seem incapable of not projecting their own prejudices when they read him.
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18831 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-11 01:30:26
June 11 2015 01:28 GMT
#567
Hobbes fanboi detected. I mean, let's be real, everyone becomes more complex if you read more of them.

Just kidding. Not really, though. I will say that Flannery O'Connor is really quite good. Wise Blood is my personal O'Connor recommendation.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
June 11 2015 01:37 GMT
#568
Flannery O'Connor is the only author whose short stories I've read more than one or two of.
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
June 11 2015 02:03 GMT
#569
On June 11 2015 10:28 farvacola wrote:
Hobbes fanboi detected. I mean, let's be real, everyone becomes more complex if you read more of them.

Just kidding. Not really, though. I will say that Flannery O'Connor is really quite good. Wise Blood is my personal O'Connor recommendation.


Marx. Rand. Rawls.

Paul Krugman.
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18831 Posts
June 11 2015 02:08 GMT
#570
I'm not sure that one can responsibly point to any of those people and cry "Simpleton upon further review!" save for Krugman possibly. I'm sure bookwyrm thinks so, at least

"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
June 11 2015 02:11 GMT
#571
I don't get it.
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
corumjhaelen
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
France6884 Posts
June 11 2015 08:46 GMT
#572
I finished Montaigne hurrray. Might not become more complex if you read more of him, but he certainly gets cooler.
I mean there are pages where he argues that women should have the right to repudiate their husband if they turn out to have too small of a dick :D You don't find that in Hobbes I'm sure.
‎numquam se plus agere quam nihil cum ageret, numquam minus solum esse quam cum solus esset
bookwyrm
Profile Joined March 2014
United States722 Posts
June 11 2015 17:10 GMT
#573
On June 11 2015 11:03 Jerubaal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2015 10:28 farvacola wrote:
Hobbes fanboi detected. I mean, let's be real, everyone becomes more complex if you read more of them.

Just kidding. Not really, though. I will say that Flannery O'Connor is really quite good. Wise Blood is my personal O'Connor recommendation.


Marx. Rand. Rawls.

Paul Krugman.


you're just trolling me
si hortum in bibliotheca habes, deerit nihil
Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
June 11 2015 18:38 GMT
#574
On June 12 2015 02:10 bookwyrm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2015 11:03 Jerubaal wrote:
On June 11 2015 10:28 farvacola wrote:
Hobbes fanboi detected. I mean, let's be real, everyone becomes more complex if you read more of them.

Just kidding. Not really, though. I will say that Flannery O'Connor is really quite good. Wise Blood is my personal O'Connor recommendation.


Marx. Rand. Rawls.

Paul Krugman.


you're just trolling me


I'm not saying they are all total ignoramuses, but what you see is what you get for the most part. I'm pretty sure there are no hidden complexities in them. Hobbes is not so simple, even if the political philosophies he helped spawn eventually hit dead ends, and that was partially Locke's fault.
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
bookwyrm
Profile Joined March 2014
United States722 Posts
June 11 2015 18:56 GMT
#575
oh I thought you were saying that Paul Krugman had hidden complexities. my bad.

we don't have to fight about Marx, it's ok, I will allow you to enjoy your ignorance
si hortum in bibliotheca habes, deerit nihil
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
June 11 2015 19:02 GMT
#576
No hidden complexities in Marx. The most widely read thinker since Jesus.
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-11 19:10:39
June 11 2015 19:03 GMT
#577
On June 12 2015 03:56 bookwyrm wrote:
oh I thought you were saying that Paul Krugman had hidden complexities. my bad.

we don't have to fight about Marx, it's ok, I will allow you to enjoy your ignorance


When both pieces of bread are moldy, I don't feel the need to take a bite of the sandwich to see if the meat is also spoiled.

Also, read my story and be enlightened.
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
bookwyrm
Profile Joined March 2014
United States722 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-11 19:15:14
June 11 2015 19:11 GMT
#578
On June 12 2015 04:02 IgnE wrote:
No hidden complexities in Marx. The most widely read thinker since Jesus.


wait a second. so this implies that you think there are no hidden complexities in jesus?

i'm lost among the philistines

"I can't even." as the kids say

seriously dude. Go read the gospels with your paranoia goggles on and a whole new world will be revealed unto you

On June 12 2015 04:03 Jerubaal wrote:
Also, read my story and be enlightened.


i can't. I have three days to think of something smart to say about edmund spenser. Maybe if you were a comrade, but, you know..
si hortum in bibliotheca habes, deerit nihil
Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-11 19:16:52
June 11 2015 19:15 GMT
#579
I'm not saying there's some kabbalistic hidden meaning in Hobbes, or even that this complexity is not known by scholars, just that it's not given shrift by your average undergraduate professor (or graduate student, for that matter).

Here's something smart: Upon reflection, in the grand scheme of life, I have concluded that Edmund Spenser is not worth thinking about.
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
bookwyrm
Profile Joined March 2014
United States722 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-11 19:20:41
June 11 2015 19:19 GMT
#580
see, that's what I thought too, but then I discovered some hidden complexities. Now I'm like, trying to figure out about the norman conquest and stuff but there's no time. But my paper is about the idea of "horses on boats" which is pretty FRICKIN awesome

as in, wm of normandy invaded england by putting HORSES on BOATS. like, whoa
si hortum in bibliotheca habes, deerit nihil
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