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On November 14 2013 00:13 Alryk wrote:
Abd about finding a cure in thirty minutes... First of all it was technically hours. Secondly, this is a world with aliens wormholes and superheroes. Why do people keep criticizing supernatural things for not being realistic?
Because something is supernatural in the context that everything around it is realistic.
A superhero is 'super' because he is much better, stronger etc than the rest. If everyone was as powerful, he/she wouldn't be super at all.
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On November 14 2013 01:21 mikkmagro wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2013 00:13 Alryk wrote:
Abd about finding a cure in thirty minutes... First of all it was technically hours. Secondly, this is a world with aliens wormholes and superheroes. Why do people keep criticizing supernatural things for not being realistic? Because something is supernatural in the context that everything around it is realistic. A superhero is 'super' because he is much better, stronger etc than the rest. If everyone was as powerful, he/she wouldn't be super at all.
But they're in a world with superheroes, which is the context and supernatural stuff should happen and not be realistic. Otherwise it'd be 24, which wasn't realistic either in many cases.
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I can't express how I hated this last episode. It suffers from the same issues as always but packs them on the top. The character development is ok(-ish) and builds a nice framework for the action/villain of the week story.
But oh-my-fucking-god. What would be the point of this episode? So far they tried to build up the conflict between free information on the one side and secrecy on the other. And there are good reasons to hide some of the stuff they found from the world.
But this episode grabs a big bloody club and throws everything off the table. Don't trust no one except for the ones aboard the plane. SHIELD comes off like an organization that both lost control over its agents and is full of psychos who don't give a shit about consequences.
For example, Ward is one of the top notch, "Team-6"-like agents who is as close to "A-Team"(hawkeye, black widow, etc.) as it gets. These guys don't grow on trees. Yet crazy SHIELD lady wants to drop him off like a foul apple.
Hopping into a sewer makes dogs lose your scent.
Sandwich-comedy. omfg.
The Hub is obviously 5 (flight) minutes away from "the Russian border". Or they can beam the plane now.
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I like the direction they're heading to. SHIELD isn't some benevolent agency that saves the world all the time, it's just as cold and heartless like any other agency.
There's multiple plots that are slowly developing over the course of the season/show, and for the most part, they're pretty interesting.
The show slowly builds up its villains and characters.
There's the Whedonesque touch to everything, keeping things (and characters) human in a fantasy world. That's always appreciated.
Also, if you end up nitpicking and overanalyzing everything in a show, the show's probably not for you. It's popcorn entertainment, not Breaking Bad. If you prefer Breaking Bad, that's great! Go watch something else.
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On November 14 2013 09:27 Conti wrote:
I like the direction they're heading to. SHIELD isn't some benevolent agency that saves the world all the time, it's just as cold and heartless like any other agency.
There's multiple plots that are slowly developing over the course of the season/show, and for the most part, they're pretty interesting.
The show slowly builds up its villains and characters.
There's the Whedonesque touch to everything, keeping things (and characters) human in a fantasy world. That's always appreciated.
Also, if you end up nitpicking and overanalyzing everything in a show, the show's probably not for you. It's popcorn entertainment, not Breaking Bad. If you prefer Breaking Bad, that's great! Go watch something else.
But why are both the plot so bad and the acting so terrible 
I don't mind plots that has plot holes you can drive a truck through, but it does need the actors to make it at least somewhat credible. For instance, Bruce Willis was at least somewhat convincing in Armageddon, despite the gaping flaws. But this episode just drew more attention to how terrible an actor Ward and Sky are... with Simmons only slightly behind. The only character I actually liked this episode was Fitz. He had some good lines and some nice development.
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Oh god Skye was irritating as hell this episode.
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On November 14 2013 10:47 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2013 09:27 Conti wrote:
I like the direction they're heading to. SHIELD isn't some benevolent agency that saves the world all the time, it's just as cold and heartless like any other agency.
There's multiple plots that are slowly developing over the course of the season/show, and for the most part, they're pretty interesting.
The show slowly builds up its villains and characters.
There's the Whedonesque touch to everything, keeping things (and characters) human in a fantasy world. That's always appreciated.
Also, if you end up nitpicking and overanalyzing everything in a show, the show's probably not for you. It's popcorn entertainment, not Breaking Bad. If you prefer Breaking Bad, that's great! Go watch something else. But why are both the plot so bad and the acting so terrible I don't mind plots that has plot holes you can drive a truck through, but it does need the actors to make it at least somewhat credible. For instance, Bruce Willis was at least somewhat convincing in Armageddon, despite the gaping flaws. But this episode just drew more attention to how terrible an actor Ward and Sky are... with Simmons only slightly behind. The only character I actually liked this episode was Fitz. He had some good lines and some nice development.
Personally, I don't mind the plot all that much. It's Marvel. Go ahead and show me a Marvel based story that makes sense if you really think about it.
The actors.. eh. They're not emmy material, but hey, we're not talking about AMC or HBO here. Gotta work with what you have. Again, if that seriously bugs you.. this show isn't for you. And I'm not trying to say that in a smug, "you're annoying go away" way. I really mean it. I fully understand if someone doesn't like the show, and there are certainly good reasons for that. We're simply spoiled by films like Avengers and shows like Breaking Bad that we see all those mistakes in shows that aren't like that these days. And if you want to stick to high quality shows, that's perfectly fine. But you cannot have Breaking Bad level expectations for every show you'll watch. No NBC or ABC show will ever be on that level. Ever.
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On November 14 2013 09:27 Conti wrote:
I like the direction they're heading to. SHIELD isn't some benevolent agency that saves the world all the time, it's just as cold and heartless like any other agency.
There's multiple plots that are slowly developing over the course of the season/show, and for the most part, they're pretty interesting.
The show slowly builds up its villains and characters.
There's the Whedonesque touch to everything, keeping things (and characters) human in a fantasy world. That's always appreciated.
Also, if you end up nitpicking and overanalyzing everything in a show, the show's probably not for you. It's popcorn entertainment, not Breaking Bad. If you prefer Breaking Bad, that's great! Go watch something else.
But that's the point what makes it so frustrating to watch. I can clearly see, what they are trying to do and it works for some parts. But the "meat" of the show, namely the adventure of the week, just doesn't deliver.
I wouldn't mind the bad acting and the cheap action sequences if that would be all there is. But it's more that they do have good moments and intelligent ideas. And those two parts simply don't connect well together.
It's more about the missed opportunities.
A better twist for the "no evac" thing would be that they don't evac some semi-important informant. Ward knows him from his past, but SHIELD lady doesn't care and wants her mission completed. Moral dilemma: do you follow the rules and let the informant die or do you do the right thing and try to save him?
the cavalry comes to the rescue but discovers that the informant was playing a twisted game and betrayed SHIELD. Morale: it's ok to do the right thing for the wrong reason but: trust the system, we know what we are doing. yadda yadda.
Instead we should buy that somehow it's ok to sacrifice two lvl 7 agents because "everyone else is occupied". Oh wait, except the guys that do actually rescue them.
Morale: SHIELD is evil, except for the selected few that happen to be on the plane. goddamnit.
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I saw it more as "Exchange two agents for world peace" (since that thing could theoretically control all weapons from a distance), which does make sense. Of course, the ridiculous part is that the world is in danger in every episode, and it's always the same team saving the world. But, again, that's how these shows work.
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On November 15 2013 00:31 Conti wrote:
I saw it more as "Exchange two agents for world peace" (since that thing could theoretically control all weapons from a distance), which does make sense. Of course, the ridiculous part is that the world is in danger in every episode, and it's always the same team saving the world. But, again, that's how these shows work.
Unless there is more and we just don't see or hear about it. I think it'd be cool if they do a Shaun of the Dead moment where the two groups meet on two different missions or the same.
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On November 14 2013 12:39 miicah wrote:
Oh god Skye was irritating as hell this episode.
Perhaps the worst actor ever.
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The past 2 episodes have been entertaining. I like the "magic nerds" character development that's going on here.
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the show is really annoying for me because it could have been so good T_T i still watch it hoping for an improvement
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This series has almost nothing to do with the Marvel Universe. I mean come on you have so many characters and such a big range of characters to chose from and you barely use any of it ? I understand you don't want to use any of the big name Marvel character but give us something.
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On November 17 2013 05:51 s3rp wrote:
This series has almost nothing to do with the Marvel Universe. I mean come on you have so many characters and such a big range of characters to chose from and you barely use any of it ? I understand you don't want to use any of the big name Marvel character but give us something.
Nick Fury? I think I heard or read something about them adding a couple as quick cameos later.
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On November 17 2013 06:00 Spektor wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2013 05:51 s3rp wrote:
This series has almost nothing to do with the Marvel Universe. I mean come on you have so many characters and such a big range of characters to chose from and you barely use any of it ? I understand you don't want to use any of the big name Marvel character but give us something. Nick Fury? I think I heard or read something about them adding a couple as quick cameos later.
There was 1 so far and that was a funny cameo at the end of an Episode . During the actual series/storyline it just doesn't feel like it has anything to do with a universe with gazilion heros/villains etc. It's more like a fanfic or something .
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On November 17 2013 05:51 s3rp wrote:
This series has almost nothing to do with the Marvel Universe. I mean come on you have so many characters and such a big range of characters to chose from and you barely use any of it ? I understand you don't want to use any of the big name Marvel character but give us something.
You do know that the big name characters are played by big name actors who costs millions of dollars per appearance, right? And you know that neither Marvel nor the film studios would want to introduce any new big players on a simple TV show, right?
Any future films are most likely going to completely ignore the canon of the show, because the writers have to assume that nobody saw the show in the first place. And so the writers of the show make sure there will be no conflicts in the first place by creating their own characters that live in the show (and, with a bit of luck, might get a small unimportant cameo in the films).
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On November 17 2013 07:16 Conti wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2013 05:51 s3rp wrote:
This series has almost nothing to do with the Marvel Universe. I mean come on you have so many characters and such a big range of characters to chose from and you barely use any of it ? I understand you don't want to use any of the big name Marvel character but give us something. You do know that the big name characters are played by big name actors who costs millions of dollars per appearance, right? And you know that neither Marvel nor the film studios would want to introduce any new big players on a simple TV show, right? Any future films are most likely going to completely ignore the canon of the show, because the writers have to assume that nobody saw the show in the first place. And so the writers of the show make sure there will be no conflicts in the first place by creating their own characters that live in the show (and, with a bit of luck, might get a small unimportant cameo in the films).
You don't need to introduce big names/players. There are plenty of lesser characters in the Marvel Universe they could use within the storyline of the show. Right now though i'm not even sure the show really has an overarching storyline anyway which is kind of a problem.
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On November 17 2013 07:45 s3rp wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2013 07:16 Conti wrote:On November 17 2013 05:51 s3rp wrote:
This series has almost nothing to do with the Marvel Universe. I mean come on you have so many characters and such a big range of characters to chose from and you barely use any of it ? I understand you don't want to use any of the big name Marvel character but give us something. You do know that the big name characters are played by big name actors who costs millions of dollars per appearance, right? And you know that neither Marvel nor the film studios would want to introduce any new big players on a simple TV show, right? Any future films are most likely going to completely ignore the canon of the show, because the writers have to assume that nobody saw the show in the first place. And so the writers of the show make sure there will be no conflicts in the first place by creating their own characters that live in the show (and, with a bit of luck, might get a small unimportant cameo in the films). You don't need to introduce big names/players. There are plenty of lesser characters in the Marvel Universe they could use within the storyline of the show. Right now though i'm not even sure the show really has an overarching storyline anyway which is kind of a problem.
there is at least the "rising tide" storyline which ties a lot into the "trust" vs. "secrecy" theme.
As minor lines there is also the thing about Coulson and how he survived that spear. Furthermore what happened to Melinda May, and to skye's parents + Show Spoiler +who are related to SHIELD (experiments?).
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On November 17 2013 07:45 s3rp wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2013 07:16 Conti wrote:On November 17 2013 05:51 s3rp wrote:
This series has almost nothing to do with the Marvel Universe. I mean come on you have so many characters and such a big range of characters to chose from and you barely use any of it ? I understand you don't want to use any of the big name Marvel character but give us something. You do know that the big name characters are played by big name actors who costs millions of dollars per appearance, right? And you know that neither Marvel nor the film studios would want to introduce any new big players on a simple TV show, right? Any future films are most likely going to completely ignore the canon of the show, because the writers have to assume that nobody saw the show in the first place. And so the writers of the show make sure there will be no conflicts in the first place by creating their own characters that live in the show (and, with a bit of luck, might get a small unimportant cameo in the films). You don't need to introduce big names/players. There are plenty of lesser characters in the Marvel Universe they could use within the storyline of the show. Right now though i'm not even sure the show really has an overarching storyline anyway which is kind of a problem.
They've already introduced one minor Marvel villain in the third episode.
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