Tonight marks the premiere of Marvel's TV show, in universe with the Avengers series of movies. Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. follows fan-favorite character Phil Coulson and a team of agents from the afore-mentioned organization as they track down superheroes and supervillains across the Marvel universe.
This looks to be a pretty big undertaking from Marvel Studios, as they prepare to not only have nearly a dozen movies in continuity, but also a TV show. The standards of the show will be measured up to Thor, Captain America, Iron Man, and the Avengers, so there's a lot riding on the line, but if they can make this work, it's going to kick all sorts of ass.
It also heralds (at least in part) the return of Joss Whedon to the small screen, which means it's going to get cancelled next month.
Holy shit, didn't know that they would start this soon. A shame I can't see it "live". This is probably one of the few shows that I will feel bad about not paying to see.
Oooh, I've been seeing ads for this and wasn't sure if it was going to be any good. I didn't know that it was being made by Joss Whedon. I'll have to remember to check it out!
On September 25 2013 02:04 Darkhoarse wrote: Joss Whedon makes some kick ass TV shows. Anyone a Buffy fan? But I'll be watching, hopefully it doesn't disappoint.
Yeah I really enjoyed Buffy, Angel, Firefly shows good stuff. Have high expectations for this one hope it's good. Edit: Ohh now I hear Bear McCreary (BSG, Walking Dead composer) is working on this show...definitely watching now. + Show Spoiler +
On September 25 2013 05:35 SixStrings wrote: So is this a show about the Avengers or the minor SHIELD-heroes?
Any Marvel hero could conceivably be in SHIELD, right? Oh God I just realised the F4 are Marvel as well...
SHIELD is basically the organization of normal humans in the comics that keeps the Superhero and Alien characters in check. A couple heroes have been part of the organization (Captain, notably) and Tony Stark was the director for a while when Nick Fury was dead.
The show is going to focus on normal agents learning about superheroes and villains, but they've mentioned the possibility of having movie-characters guest from time to time.
The film/show rights for Fantastic Four are still owned by Fox, I think, so while technically they're Marvel heroes, Marvel Studios has no ability to use them. Same with Sony and Spiderman if I'm not mistaken.
Yeah it's all kinda fucky. Before Marvel Studios was their own thing, they sold rights to movies and now those companies are holding on to them to make money. It'd be great if they all just went back to Marvel so we could have one big Marvelverse.
That was actually quite good! Tight writing, Coulson is awesome, nice to see Colbie Smulders and I was super happy to see Ron Glass, hopefully he'll come around more.
I think the tie in with all the movie continuity will help a lot in the story telling they do - they can be pretty safe in skipping over some (usually silly) exposition to explain things because the movies and background provides a shortcut. They can probably be safe in assuming people will know and pick up on things, with only a few short cues.
Seriously, don't read this if you haven't seen the episode. And you should have watched it, because dammit it's good. + Show Spoiler +
... in the first episode, the don't have to spell out what Extremis is or really what it does, what the possible danger it presents is - that's covered for anyone that saw Iron Man 3. It prevents them from having to muddle the denouement, as well, because (again, from Iron Man 3) we know that it's possible to "fix" Extremis problems. (Well, until Stark gets around to stabilizing it and expanding it later on in Iron Man 4 or Avengers 2. Possibly.) And then there's the side conversation about Phil... I'm thinking there will be some significant story there.
On September 25 2013 05:35 SixStrings wrote: So is this a show about the Avengers or the minor SHIELD-heroes?
Any Marvel hero could conceivably be in SHIELD, right? Oh God I just realised the F4 are Marvel as well...
SHIELD is basically the organization of normal humans in the comics that keeps the Superhero and Alien characters in check. A couple heroes have been part of the organization (Captain, notably) and Tony Stark was the director for a while when Nick Fury was dead.
The show is going to focus on normal agents learning about superheroes and villains, but they've mentioned the possibility of having movie-characters guest from time to time.
The film/show rights for Fantastic Four are still owned by Fox, I think, so while technically they're Marvel heroes, Marvel Studios has no ability to use them. Same with Sony and Spiderman if I'm not mistaken.
And fox ( I think) and the x-men. It would be much cooler with all the rights in one holder, but thats not going to happen any time soon.
Did no one else find it incredibly cheesy? I had to force myself to watch the whole thing honestly. I'm going to give it one more go but if next week's is this cringe-inducing I'm out. Pretty disappointed so far.
On September 25 2013 11:10 WaveofShadow wrote: Did no one else find it incredibly cheesy? I had to force myself to watch the whole thing honestly. I'm going to give it one more go but if next week's is this cringe-inducing I'm out. Pretty disappointed so far.
It was really cheesy and shows really need to stop with these young hyperactive and "funny" lab geeks and computer hackers... it's not the 90's anymore.
On September 25 2013 11:10 WaveofShadow wrote: Did no one else find it incredibly cheesy? I had to force myself to watch the whole thing honestly. I'm going to give it one more go but if next week's is this cringe-inducing I'm out. Pretty disappointed so far.
Some parts of it were okay, I managed to deal with the "geeks" in their team which were pretty dumb but then they showed that flying car at the end.... wtf was that? Now every vehicle that shouldn't fly just flies because of the carrier thing?. That was cheesy beyond belief, felt like I was watching a back to the future, totally out of place there.
I thought they were going to go with a less serious and not shitty version of heroes but this is just cheesy, if they don't tone that down I'll probably stop watching in a couple of weeks.
On September 25 2013 11:10 WaveofShadow wrote: Did no one else find it incredibly cheesy? I had to force myself to watch the whole thing honestly. I'm going to give it one more go but if next week's is this cringe-inducing I'm out. Pretty disappointed so far.
Some parts of it were okay, I managed to deal with the "geeks" in their team which were pretty dumb but then they showed that flying car at the end.... wtf was that? Now every vehicle that shouldn't fly just flies because of the carrier thing?. That was cheesy beyond belief, felt like I was watching a back to the future, totally out of place there.
I thought they were going to go with a less serious and not shitty version of heroes but this is just cheesy, if they don't tone that down I'll probably stop watching in a couple of weeks.
Flying cars are being developed for the real world, its not that ridiculous.
The flying car is a callback to the original comic series Nick Fury: Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D., which is basically what the show is based on. So it's a bit cheesy, sure, but it would be like not having Jarvis in Iron Man or Captain America's shield being made out of some other material than Vibranium.
The geek twins were the only cringe-y part of it for me.
First episode was extremely solid for what pilots are normally like. I'll give it the first season to see if I stick with it or not. I'm mostly interested to see if it becomes more or less serious. People need to remember that the first couple of episodes, especially one for network television has to go after the casual audience. They need numbers. They know the people already fans of the universe are going to tune in regardless. I have faith in Whedon.
On September 25 2013 12:21 Hrrrrm wrote: First episode was extremely solid for what pilots are normally like. I'll give it the first season to see if I stick with it or not. I'm mostly interested to see if it becomes more or less serious. People need to remember that the first couple of episodes, especially one for network television has to go after the casual audience. They need numbers. They know the people already fans of the universe are going to tune in regardless. I have faith in Whedon.
The first episode was great. Hopefully Joss Whedon comes back to direct some more episodes in the future. I love how there were so many references that fans can spot.
On September 25 2013 11:10 WaveofShadow wrote: Did no one else find it incredibly cheesy? I had to force myself to watch the whole thing honestly. I'm going to give it one more go but if next week's is this cringe-inducing I'm out. Pretty disappointed so far.
My thoughts exactly, I'm hoping it will get better in the coming weeks.
If you have a preset expectation that this is going to blow your mind, you have to remember that it's still a tv show. Enjoy it for what it is, and you'll have a much better time.
On September 25 2013 11:10 WaveofShadow wrote: Did no one else find it incredibly cheesy? I had to force myself to watch the whole thing honestly. I'm going to give it one more go but if next week's is this cringe-inducing I'm out. Pretty disappointed so far.
Some parts of it were okay, I managed to deal with the "geeks" in their team which were pretty dumb but then they showed that flying car at the end.... wtf was that? Now every vehicle that shouldn't fly just flies because of the carrier thing?. That was cheesy beyond belief, felt like I was watching a back to the future, totally out of place there.
I thought they were going to go with a less serious and not shitty version of heroes but this is just cheesy, if they don't tone that down I'll probably stop watching in a couple of weeks.
Flying cars are being developed for the real world, its not that ridiculous.
That's how you defend that? "Hey we're getting flying cars eventually so it's not that stupid we see them here", it looked stupidly cheesy. I wouldn't be surprised to see a flying scooter or a flying skateboard now, everything has rockets/wind turbines because shield has ridiculous amounts of money and they are somehow 100 years more technologically advanced than the rest of the planet. Ugh it just bothered me, that with the twin cliche geeks who are obviously dating and the genius hacker who hacks everything by clicking a menu sigh.
i bet they came up with that stupid faked death story just for this show. i was expecting to see some real heroes, not some black ops government dicks and sexy women hackers
On September 25 2013 14:08 EleanorRIgby wrote: i bet they came up with that stupid faked death story just for this show. i was expecting to see some real heroes, not some black ops government dicks and sexy women hackers
The conversation between Hills and the doctor make it sound like there's something more to it. Likely something like the Super Soldier Serum or some other technology (maybe even cloning).
On September 25 2013 11:10 WaveofShadow wrote: Did no one else find it incredibly cheesy? I had to force myself to watch the whole thing honestly. I'm going to give it one more go but if next week's is this cringe-inducing I'm out. Pretty disappointed so far.
Some parts of it were okay, I managed to deal with the "geeks" in their team which were pretty dumb but then they showed that flying car at the end.... wtf was that? Now every vehicle that shouldn't fly just flies because of the carrier thing?. That was cheesy beyond belief, felt like I was watching a back to the future, totally out of place there.
I thought they were going to go with a less serious and not shitty version of heroes but this is just cheesy, if they don't tone that down I'll probably stop watching in a couple of weeks.
Flying cars are being developed for the real world, its not that ridiculous.
That's how you defend that? "Hey we're getting flying cars eventually so it's not that stupid we see them here", it looked stupidly cheesy. I wouldn't be surprised to see a flying scooter or a flying skateboard now, everything has rockets/wind turbines because shield has ridiculous amounts of money and they are somehow 100 years more technologically advanced than the rest of the planet. Ugh it just bothered me, that with the twin cliche geeks who are obviously dating and the genius hacker who hacks everything by clicking a menu sigh.
You're really going to dislike the Hammer drones becoming more common then.
Come on - this is set in a universe where SHIELD HQ is a flying helicarrier, the first super man was created using 1940s technology (and "vita-rays"), an Asgardian just finished getting his ass kicked by a guy in a robotic suit that is quite literally lightyears ahead of current exoskeletal systems in his building powered by a giant glowing torus that he expects to last 5 years. To say NOTHING of all the computer displays you're seeing in use, holographic projectors, truth serums that work faster than it takes for someone to smile, being able to pull pretty damned good video out of baked (in Extremis levels of heat) flash chips...
And you're bitching about a FLYING CAR that is shown with slightly better flight characteristics than a quad copter? (Edited to add - after watching again, I caught a better glance at the wheel wells. This is only a continuation and refinement of the concept car Stark the Elder demo'd during the expo scene in Captain America - in 1941.)
I'll admit, the tech leaps are a bit beyond even what you'll see on CSI, but it's not like they're trying to portray reality. It's the Marvel universe - this tech is out there, even if it is hideously expensive and rare. Could it be cheesy? Sure. But have you talked to Stan Lee lately? He doesn't mind getting cheeky with his universe, and neither does Joss Whedon. It's a TV show, there will be some stereotypes - it helps a wider audience connect. (Also, I should point out that hacking is almost point and click, depending on what distro you go with and what front end you put on the tools.)
On September 25 2013 14:08 EleanorRIgby wrote: i bet they came up with that stupid faked death story just for this show. i was expecting to see some real heroes, not some black ops government dicks and sexy women hackers
The conversation between Hills and the doctor make it sound like there's something more to it. Likely something like the Super Soldier Serum or some other technology (maybe even cloning).
or maybe hes a "life model decoy". those were referenced briefly by stark in the movies(like really briefly jokingly) but im hoping theres something more to that. and if its just that flat out guessable as they are quite common in the marvel universe, i hope they dont drag it out like that and have that be the big conclusion or something.
I liked the pilot and I also enjoyed the MARVEL way of telling the story. Not to funny and not too dark which considering this is a series and not a movie sets up the pace nicely.
Regarding Coulson I don`t think is a "life mode decoy" and more of a timed life, guess we`ll see more of that in the next episodes.
Now about inExtremis yes they could have found a better starting plot but it wasn`t bad at all. I enjoyed the pilot so far and have bigger expectations for the following episodes.
On September 25 2013 11:10 WaveofShadow wrote: Did no one else find it incredibly cheesy? I had to force myself to watch the whole thing honestly. I'm going to give it one more go but if next week's is this cringe-inducing I'm out. Pretty disappointed so far.
My thoughts exactly, I'm hoping it will get better in the coming weeks.
I hope it does not change, I love it the way it is. It has a comic book feel with decent production values.
It's one thing to be cheezy, it's another to be over the top. Imo Alphas did a really good job with their writing. Comic relief is fine, but when every single character is a blatant archetype ripoff, and over the top gadgetry with psuedoscience wiz talk tossed in for 'geekiness' and randomly thrown in accent. It adds up for a very terrible show. The pilot revealed its hand for every character, and they're all boring. People have hard time even relating with any of them if they don't tone it down.
Also the reveal for the flying cars was stupid. MiB did a much better job of setting the tone of the entire movie, so it seems less of a jump of ridiculousness.
On September 25 2013 17:12 wei2coolman wrote: It's one thing to be cheezy, it's another to be over the top. Imo Alphas did a really good job with their writing. Comic relief is fine, but when every single character is a blatant archetype ripoff, and over the top gadgetry with psuedoscience wiz talk tossed in for 'geekiness' and randomly thrown in accent. It adds up for a very terrible show. The pilot revealed its hand for every character, and they're all boring. People have hard time even relating with any of them if they don't tone it down.
Also the reveal for the flying cars was stupid. MiB did a much better job of setting the tone of the entire movie, so it seems less of a jump of ridiculousness.
If you find this show bad, I would guess you also found Avengers bad because it did nothing better then this show, it only did it on a much larger scale. So I would guess this show is not for you
Someone may have asked this question before but I don't want to look for it in danger of getting spoiled. I thought Coulson died in the Avengers. How did he come back? Is it talked about in the beginning of the episode?
On September 25 2013 18:43 Ayush_SCtoss wrote: Someone may have asked this question before but I don't want to look for it in danger of getting spoiled. I thought Coulson died in the Avengers. How did he come back? Is it talked about in the beginning of the episode?
Coulson reveals that he DID die at Loki's hands but was immediately resuscitated by S.H.I.E.L.D. medics and sent to recover in Tahiti. Fury withheld this information from the Avengers to facilitate their collaboration as a team. However, the details that Coulson relates regarding his death and resurrection may, in fact, be fabrications. After making a quip about Tahiti in the show's pilot, a S.H.I.E.L.D. doctor remarks that Coulson "really doesn't know, does he?" to which Agent Hill replies "No, and he can never find out".
On September 25 2013 17:53 Psyclon wrote: I wish it was a bit more serious, there are too many comic lines and moments. And most of them are not even funny, just silly.
I liked some of the jokes. Not exactly laughing about it, but having the shadow of a smile.
Like when the hacker pronounced there's nothing they could do to stop her and then the van-door opens.
On September 25 2013 17:12 wei2coolman wrote: It's one thing to be cheezy, it's another to be over the top. Imo Alphas did a really good job with their writing. Comic relief is fine, but when every single character is a blatant archetype ripoff, and over the top gadgetry with psuedoscience wiz talk tossed in for 'geekiness' and randomly thrown in accent. It adds up for a very terrible show. The pilot revealed its hand for every character, and they're all boring. People have hard time even relating with any of them if they don't tone it down.
Also the reveal for the flying cars was stupid. MiB did a much better job of setting the tone of the entire movie, so it seems less of a jump of ridiculousness.
If you find this show bad, I would guess you also found Avengers bad because it did nothing better then this show, it only did it on a much larger scale. So I would guess this show is not for you
Avengers has actors who can act (well, some of them can), playing characters that people already know and that have been found some what interesting. This show just feels way too campy compared to Avengers... i mean Avengers has some cheesy shit aswell but it's of the kind that puts a smile on your face instead of facepalming out of embarrassment.
On September 25 2013 17:12 wei2coolman wrote: It's one thing to be cheezy, it's another to be over the top. Imo Alphas did a really good job with their writing. Comic relief is fine, but when every single character is a blatant archetype ripoff, and over the top gadgetry with psuedoscience wiz talk tossed in for 'geekiness' and randomly thrown in accent. It adds up for a very terrible show. The pilot revealed its hand for every character, and they're all boring. People have hard time even relating with any of them if they don't tone it down.
Also the reveal for the flying cars was stupid. MiB did a much better job of setting the tone of the entire movie, so it seems less of a jump of ridiculousness.
If you find this show bad, I would guess you also found Avengers bad because it did nothing better then this show, it only did it on a much larger scale. So I would guess this show is not for you
Avengers has actors who can act (well, some of them can), playing characters that people already know and that have been found some what interesting. This show just feels way too campy compared to Avengers... i mean Avengers has some cheesy shit aswell but it's of the kind that puts a smile on your face instead of facepalming out of embarrassment.
I stand by my words. Avengers is same "shit" on a larger scale. Your comment only means you don't really like comic books and only watched Avengers because of CGI. This show is for comic book fans, simple as that.
Since there aren`t any (or only a few at best) Superheroes it`ll just be another one of THOSE shows. Though I`m obviously hoping for a cool show it prolly won`t be.
On September 25 2013 11:10 WaveofShadow wrote: Did no one else find it incredibly cheesy? I had to force myself to watch the whole thing honestly. I'm going to give it one more go but if next week's is this cringe-inducing I'm out. Pretty disappointed so far.
Some parts of it were okay, I managed to deal with the "geeks" in their team which were pretty dumb but then they showed that flying car at the end.... wtf was that? Now every vehicle that shouldn't fly just flies because of the carrier thing?. That was cheesy beyond belief, felt like I was watching a back to the future, totally out of place there.
I thought they were going to go with a less serious and not shitty version of heroes but this is just cheesy, if they don't tone that down I'll probably stop watching in a couple of weeks.
Flying cars are being developed for the real world, its not that ridiculous.
That's how you defend that? "Hey we're getting flying cars eventually so it's not that stupid we see them here", it looked stupidly cheesy. I wouldn't be surprised to see a flying scooter or a flying skateboard now, everything has rockets/wind turbines because shield has ridiculous amounts of money and they are somehow 100 years more technologically advanced than the rest of the planet. Ugh it just bothered me, that with the twin cliche geeks who are obviously dating and the genius hacker who hacks everything by clicking a menu sigh.
You're really going to dislike the Hammer drones becoming more common then.
Come on - this is set in a universe where SHIELD HQ is a flying helicarrier, the first super man was created using 1940s technology (and "vita-rays"), an Asgardian just finished getting his ass kicked by a guy in a robotic suit that is quite literally lightyears ahead of current exoskeletal systems in his building powered by a giant glowing torus that he expects to last 5 years. To say NOTHING of all the computer displays you're seeing in use, holographic projectors, truth serums that work faster than it takes for someone to smile, being able to pull pretty damned good video out of baked (in Extremis levels of heat) flash chips...
And you're bitching about a FLYING CAR that is shown with slightly better flight characteristics than a quad copter? (Edited to add - after watching again, I caught a better glance at the wheel wells. This is only a continuation and refinement of the concept car Stark the Elder demo'd during the expo scene in Captain America - in 1941.)
I'll admit, the tech leaps are a bit beyond even what you'll see on CSI, but it's not like they're trying to portray reality. It's the Marvel universe - this tech is out there, even if it is hideously expensive and rare. Could it be cheesy? Sure. But have you talked to Stan Lee lately? He doesn't mind getting cheeky with his universe, and neither does Joss Whedon. It's a TV show, there will be some stereotypes - it helps a wider audience connect. (Also, I should point out that hacking is almost point and click, depending on what distro you go with and what front end you put on the tools.)
I am aware what this show is based on and that it's going to be silly, cheesy, unrealistic etc etc, I mean I DID watch the marvel movies all of them and I liked them BUT while they were all unrealistic in some way (after all we're talking about super heroes can't expect it to be gritty realism) they more or less explained HOW they reached that, in the show they showed a freaking flying car just 'cause. I wouldn't mind them showing technology that's leaps and bounds ahead but at least take the trouble of explaining how they got there and why it should be there, like they always did in the movies with Howard and Tony explaining stuff to a degree and then what do you know they invented something :O.
I guess the CGI also looked kind of cheap, I know it's a tv show but it didn't do it any favors in my opinion and now that you mention it it also had this CSI vibe to it which I don't know that I like, I stopped watching CSI decades ago that stuff is uninteresting and unrealistic. I just want them to tone down the cheese and the silly flying stuff that pops out of nowhere.
On September 25 2013 14:08 EleanorRIgby wrote: i bet they came up with that stupid faked death story just for this show. i was expecting to see some real heroes, not some black ops government dicks and sexy women hackers
the stupid faked death story is what they told him, but not what actually happened. He did in fact die, and they did bring him back, but they can't tell him for some reason, maybe he got re-built or something and isn't quite himself and they don't want him doubting himself.
Anyway I look at it, we got some fun action, interesting characters, and a neat world for them to play around with. Oh, and the witty dialogue too.
On September 25 2013 01:13 Requizen wrote: It also heralds (at least in part) the return of Joss Whedon to the small screen, which means it's going to get cancelled next month.
On September 25 2013 17:12 wei2coolman wrote: It's one thing to be cheezy, it's another to be over the top. Imo Alphas did a really good job with their writing. Comic relief is fine, but when every single character is a blatant archetype ripoff, and over the top gadgetry with psuedoscience wiz talk tossed in for 'geekiness' and randomly thrown in accent. It adds up for a very terrible show. The pilot revealed its hand for every character, and they're all boring. People have hard time even relating with any of them if they don't tone it down.
Also the reveal for the flying cars was stupid. MiB did a much better job of setting the tone of the entire movie, so it seems less of a jump of ridiculousness.
If you find this show bad, I would guess you also found Avengers bad because it did nothing better then this show, it only did it on a much larger scale. So I would guess this show is not for you
Avengers has actors who can act (well, some of them can), playing characters that people already know and that have been found some what interesting. This show just feels way too campy compared to Avengers... i mean Avengers has some cheesy shit aswell but it's of the kind that puts a smile on your face instead of facepalming out of embarrassment.
I stand by my words. Avengers is same "shit" on a larger scale. Your comment only means you don't really like comic books and only watched Avengers because of CGI. This show is for comic book fans, simple as that.
Avengers had some pretty cringe worthy moments too. Capt America especially. Though majority wasn't so bad sinc en the cornyness was more well paced.
Also the tech reveal in the show was so bad. Literally the flying little robots didn't do anything that human eye's couldn't. Like finding a security camera.... and then they purposely wrote the plot so that the data was corrupt so they can add stupid technical babble from the geeky engineering dude and the girl, and make a 3d hologram of what happened. They literally added a dues ex machina to plot line, when it literally was not necessary.
Also, hacker who could do anything with a press of a button? Lol plz. That's so overplayed on tv, they're hackers not wizards.
On September 25 2013 17:12 wei2coolman wrote: It's one thing to be cheezy, it's another to be over the top. Imo Alphas did a really good job with their writing. Comic relief is fine, but when every single character is a blatant archetype ripoff, and over the top gadgetry with psuedoscience wiz talk tossed in for 'geekiness' and randomly thrown in accent. It adds up for a very terrible show. The pilot revealed its hand for every character, and they're all boring. People have hard time even relating with any of them if they don't tone it down.
Also the reveal for the flying cars was stupid. MiB did a much better job of setting the tone of the entire movie, so it seems less of a jump of ridiculousness.
If you find this show bad, I would guess you also found Avengers bad because it did nothing better then this show, it only did it on a much larger scale. So I would guess this show is not for you
Avengers has actors who can act (well, some of them can), playing characters that people already know and that have been found some what interesting. This show just feels way too campy compared to Avengers... i mean Avengers has some cheesy shit aswell but it's of the kind that puts a smile on your face instead of facepalming out of embarrassment.
I stand by my words. Avengers is same "shit" on a larger scale. Your comment only means you don't really like comic books and only watched Avengers because of CGI. This show is for comic book fans, simple as that.
Avengers had some pretty cringe worthy moments too. Capt America especially. Though majority wasn't so bad sinc en the cornyness was more well paced.
Also the tech reveal in the show was so bad. Literally the flying little robots didn't do anything that human eye's couldn't. Like finding a security camera.... and then they purposely wrote the plot so that the data was corrupt so they can add stupid technical babble from the geeky engineering dude and the girl, and make a 3d hologram of what happened. They literally added a dues ex machina to plot line, when it literally was not necessary.
Also, hacker who could do anything with a press of a button? Lol plz. That's so overplayed on tv, they're hackers not wizards.
It really does not matter. In a over the top marvel universe where stark has better tech then we will in next 50+ years what they showed here is nothing. You are expecting stuff that will never happen in this show.
On September 25 2013 17:12 wei2coolman wrote: It's one thing to be cheezy, it's another to be over the top. Imo Alphas did a really good job with their writing. Comic relief is fine, but when every single character is a blatant archetype ripoff, and over the top gadgetry with psuedoscience wiz talk tossed in for 'geekiness' and randomly thrown in accent. It adds up for a very terrible show. The pilot revealed its hand for every character, and they're all boring. People have hard time even relating with any of them if they don't tone it down.
Also the reveal for the flying cars was stupid. MiB did a much better job of setting the tone of the entire movie, so it seems less of a jump of ridiculousness.
If you find this show bad, I would guess you also found Avengers bad because it did nothing better then this show, it only did it on a much larger scale. So I would guess this show is not for you
Avengers has actors who can act (well, some of them can), playing characters that people already know and that have been found some what interesting. This show just feels way too campy compared to Avengers... i mean Avengers has some cheesy shit aswell but it's of the kind that puts a smile on your face instead of facepalming out of embarrassment.
I stand by my words. Avengers is same "shit" on a larger scale. Your comment only means you don't really like comic books and only watched Avengers because of CGI. This show is for comic book fans, simple as that.
Avengers had some pretty cringe worthy moments too. Capt America especially. Though majority wasn't so bad sinc en the cornyness was more well paced.
Also the tech reveal in the show was so bad. Literally the flying little robots didn't do anything that human eye's couldn't. Like finding a security camera.... and then they purposely wrote the plot so that the data was corrupt so they can add stupid technical babble from the geeky engineering dude and the girl, and make a 3d hologram of what happened. They literally added a dues ex machina to plot line, when it literally was not necessary.
Also, hacker who could do anything with a press of a button? Lol plz. That's so overplayed on tv, they're hackers not wizards.
It really does not matter. In a over the top marvel universe where stark has better tech then we will in next 50+ years what they showed here is nothing. You are expecting stuff that will never happen in this show.
Difference is stark is a very rich billionaire, no gov't agency would ever give their agents the money to modify their own cars into flying cars.
On September 25 2013 17:12 wei2coolman wrote: It's one thing to be cheezy, it's another to be over the top. Imo Alphas did a really good job with their writing. Comic relief is fine, but when every single character is a blatant archetype ripoff, and over the top gadgetry with psuedoscience wiz talk tossed in for 'geekiness' and randomly thrown in accent. It adds up for a very terrible show. The pilot revealed its hand for every character, and they're all boring. People have hard time even relating with any of them if they don't tone it down.
Also the reveal for the flying cars was stupid. MiB did a much better job of setting the tone of the entire movie, so it seems less of a jump of ridiculousness.
If you find this show bad, I would guess you also found Avengers bad because it did nothing better then this show, it only did it on a much larger scale. So I would guess this show is not for you
Avengers has actors who can act (well, some of them can), playing characters that people already know and that have been found some what interesting. This show just feels way too campy compared to Avengers... i mean Avengers has some cheesy shit aswell but it's of the kind that puts a smile on your face instead of facepalming out of embarrassment.
I stand by my words. Avengers is same "shit" on a larger scale. Your comment only means you don't really like comic books and only watched Avengers because of CGI. This show is for comic book fans, simple as that.
Avengers had some pretty cringe worthy moments too. Capt America especially. Though majority wasn't so bad sinc en the cornyness was more well paced.
Also the tech reveal in the show was so bad. Literally the flying little robots didn't do anything that human eye's couldn't. Like finding a security camera.... and then they purposely wrote the plot so that the data was corrupt so they can add stupid technical babble from the geeky engineering dude and the girl, and make a 3d hologram of what happened. They literally added a dues ex machina to plot line, when it literally was not necessary.
Also, hacker who could do anything with a press of a button? Lol plz. That's so overplayed on tv, they're hackers not wizards.
It really does not matter. In a over the top marvel universe where stark has better tech then we will in next 50+ years what they showed here is nothing. You are expecting stuff that will never happen in this show.
Difference is stark is a very rich billionaire, no gov't agency would ever give their agents the money to modify their own cars into flying cars.
We're talking about a universe where getting hit by a nuke can give you super strength. You're being silly.
On September 25 2013 17:12 wei2coolman wrote: It's one thing to be cheezy, it's another to be over the top. Imo Alphas did a really good job with their writing. Comic relief is fine, but when every single character is a blatant archetype ripoff, and over the top gadgetry with psuedoscience wiz talk tossed in for 'geekiness' and randomly thrown in accent. It adds up for a very terrible show. The pilot revealed its hand for every character, and they're all boring. People have hard time even relating with any of them if they don't tone it down.
Also the reveal for the flying cars was stupid. MiB did a much better job of setting the tone of the entire movie, so it seems less of a jump of ridiculousness.
If you find this show bad, I would guess you also found Avengers bad because it did nothing better then this show, it only did it on a much larger scale. So I would guess this show is not for you
Avengers has actors who can act (well, some of them can), playing characters that people already know and that have been found some what interesting. This show just feels way too campy compared to Avengers... i mean Avengers has some cheesy shit aswell but it's of the kind that puts a smile on your face instead of facepalming out of embarrassment.
I stand by my words. Avengers is same "shit" on a larger scale. Your comment only means you don't really like comic books and only watched Avengers because of CGI. This show is for comic book fans, simple as that.
Avengers had some pretty cringe worthy moments too. Capt America especially. Though majority wasn't so bad sinc en the cornyness was more well paced.
Also the tech reveal in the show was so bad. Literally the flying little robots didn't do anything that human eye's couldn't. Like finding a security camera.... and then they purposely wrote the plot so that the data was corrupt so they can add stupid technical babble from the geeky engineering dude and the girl, and make a 3d hologram of what happened. They literally added a dues ex machina to plot line, when it literally was not necessary.
Also, hacker who could do anything with a press of a button? Lol plz. That's so overplayed on tv, they're hackers not wizards.
It really does not matter. In a over the top marvel universe where stark has better tech then we will in next 50+ years what they showed here is nothing. You are expecting stuff that will never happen in this show.
Difference is stark is a very rich billionaire, no gov't agency would ever give their agents the money to modify their own cars into flying cars.
We're talking about a universe where getting hit by a nuke can give you super strength. You're being silly.
There are ways to introduce tech into the show without being over the top stupid. The tech itself isn't "ridiculous", but the way it's introduced is terrible. Look at all the science fiction movies/tv shows, almost all of them have done a much better job of pacing out introduction of tech.
On September 25 2013 17:12 wei2coolman wrote: It's one thing to be cheezy, it's another to be over the top. Imo Alphas did a really good job with their writing. Comic relief is fine, but when every single character is a blatant archetype ripoff, and over the top gadgetry with psuedoscience wiz talk tossed in for 'geekiness' and randomly thrown in accent. It adds up for a very terrible show. The pilot revealed its hand for every character, and they're all boring. People have hard time even relating with any of them if they don't tone it down.
Also the reveal for the flying cars was stupid. MiB did a much better job of setting the tone of the entire movie, so it seems less of a jump of ridiculousness.
If you find this show bad, I would guess you also found Avengers bad because it did nothing better then this show, it only did it on a much larger scale. So I would guess this show is not for you
Avengers has actors who can act (well, some of them can), playing characters that people already know and that have been found some what interesting. This show just feels way too campy compared to Avengers... i mean Avengers has some cheesy shit aswell but it's of the kind that puts a smile on your face instead of facepalming out of embarrassment.
I stand by my words. Avengers is same "shit" on a larger scale. Your comment only means you don't really like comic books and only watched Avengers because of CGI. This show is for comic book fans, simple as that.
Avengers had some pretty cringe worthy moments too. Capt America especially. Though majority wasn't so bad sinc en the cornyness was more well paced.
Also the tech reveal in the show was so bad. Literally the flying little robots didn't do anything that human eye's couldn't. Like finding a security camera.... and then they purposely wrote the plot so that the data was corrupt so they can add stupid technical babble from the geeky engineering dude and the girl, and make a 3d hologram of what happened. They literally added a dues ex machina to plot line, when it literally was not necessary.
Also, hacker who could do anything with a press of a button? Lol plz. That's so overplayed on tv, they're hackers not wizards.
It really does not matter. In a over the top marvel universe where stark has better tech then we will in next 50+ years what they showed here is nothing. You are expecting stuff that will never happen in this show.
Difference is stark is a very rich billionaire, no gov't agency would ever give their agents the money to modify their own cars into flying cars.
We're talking about a universe where getting hit by a nuke can give you super strength. You're being silly.
There are ways to introduce tech into the show without being over the top stupid. The tech itself isn't "ridiculous", but the way it's introduced is terrible. Look at all the science fiction movies/tv shows, almost all of them have done a much better job of pacing out introduction of tech.
Nick Fury: Agent of Shield is what this show is based on. To not have the flying car would be dumb.
Also why is everyone so hung up on it? It was a last minute joke in the final 20 seconds of the show, wasn't really that cheesy compared to other shows out there.
I do not think that this show will be around very long. When watching the first episode, it reminded me on shows from the 90s I used to see. The characters do not seem that interesting, the first episode was generally not very exciting or taking. This series definitely aims at a an audience younger then 18 in my opinion. Also the 2 main chars seem to have a MIB relation ship, the younger and the older agent, the 2 tec guys are very cliche and for *the bus driver* no one knows why she is there and the new side kick is someone to provide insight from an outside perspective into shield and the random stuff that is going on in the universe.
The worst thing: They dont even have a super hero in their team qq !
On September 25 2013 17:12 wei2coolman wrote: It's one thing to be cheezy, it's another to be over the top. Imo Alphas did a really good job with their writing. Comic relief is fine, but when every single character is a blatant archetype ripoff, and over the top gadgetry with psuedoscience wiz talk tossed in for 'geekiness' and randomly thrown in accent. It adds up for a very terrible show. The pilot revealed its hand for every character, and they're all boring. People have hard time even relating with any of them if they don't tone it down.
Also the reveal for the flying cars was stupid. MiB did a much better job of setting the tone of the entire movie, so it seems less of a jump of ridiculousness.
If you find this show bad, I would guess you also found Avengers bad because it did nothing better then this show, it only did it on a much larger scale. So I would guess this show is not for you
Avengers has actors who can act (well, some of them can), playing characters that people already know and that have been found some what interesting. This show just feels way too campy compared to Avengers... i mean Avengers has some cheesy shit aswell but it's of the kind that puts a smile on your face instead of facepalming out of embarrassment.
I stand by my words. Avengers is same "shit" on a larger scale. Your comment only means you don't really like comic books and only watched Avengers because of CGI. This show is for comic book fans, simple as that.
Avengers had some pretty cringe worthy moments too. Capt America especially. Though majority wasn't so bad sinc en the cornyness was more well paced.
Also the tech reveal in the show was so bad. Literally the flying little robots didn't do anything that human eye's couldn't. Like finding a security camera.... and then they purposely wrote the plot so that the data was corrupt so they can add stupid technical babble from the geeky engineering dude and the girl, and make a 3d hologram of what happened. They literally added a dues ex machina to plot line, when it literally was not necessary.
Also, hacker who could do anything with a press of a button? Lol plz. That's so overplayed on tv, they're hackers not wizards.
It really does not matter. In a over the top marvel universe where stark has better tech then we will in next 50+ years what they showed here is nothing. You are expecting stuff that will never happen in this show.
Difference is stark is a very rich billionaire, no gov't agency would ever give their agents the money to modify their own cars into flying cars.
We're talking about a universe where getting hit by a nuke can give you super strength. You're being silly.
There are ways to introduce tech into the show without being over the top stupid. The tech itself isn't "ridiculous", but the way it's introduced is terrible. Look at all the science fiction movies/tv shows, almost all of them have done a much better job of pacing out introduction of tech.
Nick Fury: Agent of Shield is what this show is based on. To not have the flying car would be dumb.
Also why is everyone so hung up on it? It was a last minute joke in the final 20 seconds of the show, wasn't really that cheesy compared to other shows out there.
Well placed cheeziness and comic relief is a good thing, just bundling it up and tossing it out every 10 seconds is bad.
On September 25 2013 18:08 -Archangel- wrote: [quote] If you find this show bad, I would guess you also found Avengers bad because it did nothing better then this show, it only did it on a much larger scale. So I would guess this show is not for you
Avengers has actors who can act (well, some of them can), playing characters that people already know and that have been found some what interesting. This show just feels way too campy compared to Avengers... i mean Avengers has some cheesy shit aswell but it's of the kind that puts a smile on your face instead of facepalming out of embarrassment.
I stand by my words. Avengers is same "shit" on a larger scale. Your comment only means you don't really like comic books and only watched Avengers because of CGI. This show is for comic book fans, simple as that.
Avengers had some pretty cringe worthy moments too. Capt America especially. Though majority wasn't so bad sinc en the cornyness was more well paced.
Also the tech reveal in the show was so bad. Literally the flying little robots didn't do anything that human eye's couldn't. Like finding a security camera.... and then they purposely wrote the plot so that the data was corrupt so they can add stupid technical babble from the geeky engineering dude and the girl, and make a 3d hologram of what happened. They literally added a dues ex machina to plot line, when it literally was not necessary.
Also, hacker who could do anything with a press of a button? Lol plz. That's so overplayed on tv, they're hackers not wizards.
It really does not matter. In a over the top marvel universe where stark has better tech then we will in next 50+ years what they showed here is nothing. You are expecting stuff that will never happen in this show.
Difference is stark is a very rich billionaire, no gov't agency would ever give their agents the money to modify their own cars into flying cars.
We're talking about a universe where getting hit by a nuke can give you super strength. You're being silly.
There are ways to introduce tech into the show without being over the top stupid. The tech itself isn't "ridiculous", but the way it's introduced is terrible. Look at all the science fiction movies/tv shows, almost all of them have done a much better job of pacing out introduction of tech.
Nick Fury: Agent of Shield is what this show is based on. To not have the flying car would be dumb.
Also why is everyone so hung up on it? It was a last minute joke in the final 20 seconds of the show, wasn't really that cheesy compared to other shows out there.
Well placed cheeziness and comic relief is a good thing, just bundling it up and tossing it out every 10 seconds is bad.
Aside from the twins in their all of like 8 minutes of airtime, what was cheesy comic relief?
People are upset that there was a flying car in a show feeding off the popularity of a movie that had a flying invisible aircraft carrier? Admittedly I know nothing of Avengers/marvel lore, but I'm confused.
wait... iirc, howard stark introduced the flying car in one of the iron man movies, and seeing as how the show made references to the avengers movie, isnt it perfectly fine to throw that cheeseball in at the end? ._. do not understand the problem here
Avengers has actors who can act (well, some of them can), playing characters that people already know and that have been found some what interesting. This show just feels way too campy compared to Avengers... i mean Avengers has some cheesy shit aswell but it's of the kind that puts a smile on your face instead of facepalming out of embarrassment.
I stand by my words. Avengers is same "shit" on a larger scale. Your comment only means you don't really like comic books and only watched Avengers because of CGI. This show is for comic book fans, simple as that.
Avengers had some pretty cringe worthy moments too. Capt America especially. Though majority wasn't so bad sinc en the cornyness was more well paced.
Also the tech reveal in the show was so bad. Literally the flying little robots didn't do anything that human eye's couldn't. Like finding a security camera.... and then they purposely wrote the plot so that the data was corrupt so they can add stupid technical babble from the geeky engineering dude and the girl, and make a 3d hologram of what happened. They literally added a dues ex machina to plot line, when it literally was not necessary.
Also, hacker who could do anything with a press of a button? Lol plz. That's so overplayed on tv, they're hackers not wizards.
It really does not matter. In a over the top marvel universe where stark has better tech then we will in next 50+ years what they showed here is nothing. You are expecting stuff that will never happen in this show.
Difference is stark is a very rich billionaire, no gov't agency would ever give their agents the money to modify their own cars into flying cars.
We're talking about a universe where getting hit by a nuke can give you super strength. You're being silly.
There are ways to introduce tech into the show without being over the top stupid. The tech itself isn't "ridiculous", but the way it's introduced is terrible. Look at all the science fiction movies/tv shows, almost all of them have done a much better job of pacing out introduction of tech.
Nick Fury: Agent of Shield is what this show is based on. To not have the flying car would be dumb.
Also why is everyone so hung up on it? It was a last minute joke in the final 20 seconds of the show, wasn't really that cheesy compared to other shows out there.
Well placed cheeziness and comic relief is a good thing, just bundling it up and tossing it out every 10 seconds is bad.
Aside from the twins in their all of like 8 minutes of airtime, what was cheesy comic relief?
On September 26 2013 05:43 JerKy wrote: wait... iirc, howard stark introduced the flying car in one of the iron man movies, and seeing as how the show made references to the avengers movie, isnt it perfectly fine to throw that cheeseball in at the end? ._. do not understand the problem here
Presumably, they argue, 70 years wouldn't suffice to manufacture this car in a way that would cut down the cost enough for an elite shield agent to afford.
This might be the nerdiest debate I've ever witnessed, and I read SC2-forums day in day out.
On September 25 2013 20:55 -Archangel- wrote: [quote] I stand by my words. Avengers is same "shit" on a larger scale. Your comment only means you don't really like comic books and only watched Avengers because of CGI. This show is for comic book fans, simple as that.
Avengers had some pretty cringe worthy moments too. Capt America especially. Though majority wasn't so bad sinc en the cornyness was more well paced.
Also the tech reveal in the show was so bad. Literally the flying little robots didn't do anything that human eye's couldn't. Like finding a security camera.... and then they purposely wrote the plot so that the data was corrupt so they can add stupid technical babble from the geeky engineering dude and the girl, and make a 3d hologram of what happened. They literally added a dues ex machina to plot line, when it literally was not necessary.
Also, hacker who could do anything with a press of a button? Lol plz. That's so overplayed on tv, they're hackers not wizards.
It really does not matter. In a over the top marvel universe where stark has better tech then we will in next 50+ years what they showed here is nothing. You are expecting stuff that will never happen in this show.
Difference is stark is a very rich billionaire, no gov't agency would ever give their agents the money to modify their own cars into flying cars.
We're talking about a universe where getting hit by a nuke can give you super strength. You're being silly.
There are ways to introduce tech into the show without being over the top stupid. The tech itself isn't "ridiculous", but the way it's introduced is terrible. Look at all the science fiction movies/tv shows, almost all of them have done a much better job of pacing out introduction of tech.
Nick Fury: Agent of Shield is what this show is based on. To not have the flying car would be dumb.
Also why is everyone so hung up on it? It was a last minute joke in the final 20 seconds of the show, wasn't really that cheesy compared to other shows out there.
Well placed cheeziness and comic relief is a good thing, just bundling it up and tossing it out every 10 seconds is bad.
Aside from the twins in their all of like 8 minutes of airtime, what was cheesy comic relief?
That's the thing with a lot of the tech that they show in the Marvel universe as constructed for the movies - a lot of the things they have are expensive one-off (or very limited production) because of the difficulty and expense involved - take for example the much maligned flying classic Corvette. I'm willing to bet that it was something Stark the Elder put together specifically for Fury, and not something procured through "normal" government means. It's something that wouldn't be economical to manufacture on a wide scale, with an extremely limited pool of customers. The Iron Man suits are also extremely specialized equipment, with each iteration being essentially a prototype made by an extremely rich guy as a hobby in his ubertinkerer/crafter garage. The sleepytime gun is a prototype. The most believable is the quadcopter search squad, although I think any scientist would kill for the kind of sensors they apparently have on board.
I agree, in the normal government, such outlays of funds would probably be incredibly unlikely - and I say that as someone that is in government and knows how much a pain in the ass it is to get a copier serviced. But I'm not in a "black budget" agency - and there are lots of creative ways that the money could be found. Or even for things to be done for little or no cost because they provide a company a chance to put together a testbed project for other technologies and/or ingratiate themselves with government procurement. My ex-wife was in a special operations unit in the military, and at least five companies I know of practically threw gear at them for free because of the potential to increase their standing. (Nothing remotely on the scale of what's in the show, of course - but it gave them some name recognition and standing among the rank and file.) If you factor in the "comic book" factor and the fudge room of a black budget organization which possibly receives support covertly from multiple governments and agencies, a lot of it starts to reduce the potential problems. Of course, Shield could also be in on the MiB style of funding via owning certain patents on a wide range of technologies that they have run into or seized assets from bad guys they take down.
Even with great technology, they also rely on a normal federal LEO tactic as well - they call for and receive support from local law enforcement whenever necessary.
I agree the show is not dark or serious, but then I don't think it was meant to be. And it could also lead into tying backstory together for future movies. It leans a lot on the movies (aka, not explaining things because hey, you've already seen the movies right?) but it can provide material that will be involved in future movies, not unlike The Clone Wars did for the Star Wars prequels.
This show has Joss Whedon written all over it. The humor! The epic! Although the characters seem bland, which is unlike him (not Coulson, I love that guy). The labbies seem like the biggest archetype energetic tech geeks ever. But it's a Whedon show so he is probably going to make me love them and then kill them off horribly and hit me right in the feels again (Fucking Wes) :'(.
It also seems like this show is less dark than his other shows, but I guess it's only the first episode. Seems to me that the marvel universe have plenty of opportunity for dark shit to happen, probably more than the Buffy/Angel universe had. Will be exiting to see.
In response to the ongoing discussion in this thread, I have no idea wtf people is going on about. The tech is awesome, and not that unbelievable (with the invisible helicarrier and all). Just roll with it.
I'm just happy that Whedon is Marvel's new golden boy so the show won't be canceled after first season, hopefully :p (Unless it suck donkey balls of course, which it probably won't. It would have to be really bad for it to be canceled, since this is a prime opportunity for Marvel to introduce new shit without wasting movietime. One they will hopefully use to flesh out the universe, leaving more time for flashy gci like the masses want in the movies.)
On September 25 2013 17:12 wei2coolman wrote: It's one thing to be cheezy, it's another to be over the top. Imo Alphas did a really good job with their writing. Comic relief is fine, but when every single character is a blatant archetype ripoff, and over the top gadgetry with psuedoscience wiz talk tossed in for 'geekiness' and randomly thrown in accent. It adds up for a very terrible show. The pilot revealed its hand for every character, and they're all boring. People have hard time even relating with any of them if they don't tone it down.
Also the reveal for the flying cars was stupid. MiB did a much better job of setting the tone of the entire movie, so it seems less of a jump of ridiculousness.
If you find this show bad, I would guess you also found Avengers bad because it did nothing better then this show, it only did it on a much larger scale. So I would guess this show is not for you
Avengers has actors who can act (well, some of them can), playing characters that people already know and that have been found some what interesting. This show just feels way too campy compared to Avengers... i mean Avengers has some cheesy shit aswell but it's of the kind that puts a smile on your face instead of facepalming out of embarrassment.
I stand by my words. Avengers is same "shit" on a larger scale. Your comment only means you don't really like comic books and only watched Avengers because of CGI. This show is for comic book fans, simple as that.
Avengers had some pretty cringe worthy moments too. Capt America especially. Though majority wasn't so bad sinc en the cornyness was more well paced.
Also the tech reveal in the show was so bad. Literally the flying little robots didn't do anything that human eye's couldn't. Like finding a security camera.... and then they purposely wrote the plot so that the data was corrupt so they can add stupid technical babble from the geeky engineering dude and the girl, and make a 3d hologram of what happened. They literally added a dues ex machina to plot line, when it literally was not necessary.
Also, hacker who could do anything with a press of a button? Lol plz. That's so overplayed on tv, they're hackers not wizards.
What anything could she do? Sure, she wiped out an identity quickly, but I assume you're not referring to that, as she already said that she had done it before, so it probably could have been the press of a button... And since she'd done it before, she would have the time to faff about telling the Shield guys where she was.
On September 25 2013 17:12 wei2coolman wrote: It's one thing to be cheezy, it's another to be over the top. Imo Alphas did a really good job with their writing. Comic relief is fine, but when every single character is a blatant archetype ripoff, and over the top gadgetry with psuedoscience wiz talk tossed in for 'geekiness' and randomly thrown in accent. It adds up for a very terrible show. The pilot revealed its hand for every character, and they're all boring. People have hard time even relating with any of them if they don't tone it down.
Also the reveal for the flying cars was stupid. MiB did a much better job of setting the tone of the entire movie, so it seems less of a jump of ridiculousness.
If you find this show bad, I would guess you also found Avengers bad because it did nothing better then this show, it only did it on a much larger scale. So I would guess this show is not for you
Avengers has actors who can act (well, some of them can), playing characters that people already know and that have been found some what interesting. This show just feels way too campy compared to Avengers... i mean Avengers has some cheesy shit aswell but it's of the kind that puts a smile on your face instead of facepalming out of embarrassment.
I stand by my words. Avengers is same "shit" on a larger scale. Your comment only means you don't really like comic books and only watched Avengers because of CGI. This show is for comic book fans, simple as that.
Avengers had some pretty cringe worthy moments too. Capt America especially. Though majority wasn't so bad sinc en the cornyness was more well paced.
Also the tech reveal in the show was so bad. Literally the flying little robots didn't do anything that human eye's couldn't. Like finding a security camera.... and then they purposely wrote the plot so that the data was corrupt so they can add stupid technical babble from the geeky engineering dude and the girl, and make a 3d hologram of what happened. They literally added a dues ex machina to plot line, when it literally was not necessary.
Also, hacker who could do anything with a press of a button? Lol plz. That's so overplayed on tv, they're hackers not wizards.
It really does not matter. In a over the top marvel universe where stark has better tech then we will in next 50+ years what they showed here is nothing. You are expecting stuff that will never happen in this show.
Difference is stark is a very rich billionaire, no gov't agency would ever give their agents the money to modify their own cars into flying cars.
You are now arguing only to argue, right? Coulson is lvl 7 clearance, probably next to Fury who is in charge. SHIELD is biggest "secret" organization in the world with most advanced tech. I don't see a problem in letting one of their highest ranking members having a flying car (or hovering car).
On September 26 2013 05:37 SixStrings wrote: Are we still arguing about the flying car?
Jesus ass-eating Christ, this is Marvel, supposedly one turbine of Iron Man's Mark 6 would be more expensive than to manufacture twenty of those cars.
It's a cool gimmick, get over it. Solid 6/10 show so far.
The problem with the flying car was not that it flew, but that the animation quality was atrocious. Perhaps people mislike the flying car because it 'feels' cheesy due to the fact that it just looks cheap as fuck.
In fact basically every element in the show feels very cheap, even lazy, right down to the writing, it grieves me to say. I don't know exactly how many writers are involved, but i expected MUCH better based on whedons involvment.
Overall the show was pretty good to me. Although I could definately see the cheese you guys are talking about, the biggest culprit to me was missing a great chance for character/relationship/exposition development during the "interrogation" for the grandma one-liner.
Hm. It's becoming clear that this is more of an entertainment show than anything "deep", so to speak. Not bad, but this episode didn't rock my socks or anything special. Enjoyable, looking forward to next week.
episode 2 a lot better than the pilot episode, but there is plenty to improve on. The characters feel like caricatures not people, thus it feels hard to relate. though "team building" episode was probably necessary, the show didn't let the character interaction develop enough, to make it feel more relevant.
I can forgive the really shallow characters right now. The first episode had to do a lot:
1) Show a world with superheroes and how people react to it 2) Introduce the main players and the setting 3) Go on an action-packed adventure sprinkled with heartwarming moments and adventure
What time there is for #2 has to get divided between the 6 or so main characters. There's just no way to give a character depth in that regard.
Firefly had things a lot easier as they started off with a smaller team, and had more than twice the running time of an episode.
I'm happy with this series so far, and I'll continue to watch it. I think the romantic interest seems really artificial and stupid though. The two most-important most-attractive characters with opposite ideals are put on a team very close to each other. Oooh look they're flirting. Whoop-de-doo.
I thought Arrow was cheesy, but this show is the swiss cheese. I had to force myself to watch the whole episode. The cliches with the british techlab guy and girl(this isn't James Bond you know), the asian kungfu master, the american superspy, the hot nerd hacker girl, the he isn't fit for combat but saves the day sutff and the bad acting just push me over and say go watch something else, if this survives 3 seasons get back to it. As somebody above me was saying, it has pg12 all over it. It's a shame, could have been something much more thrilling.
agree, show is very cheesy. i think coulson cameo's in the movies were good, but that was for like 10 seconds. doing those one liners for an entire 40 minute episode every week, i don't think it will work.
but its still early. they need to start bringing in some super heroes. don't have to be A-listers (i know they're saving them for movies), but bring in some B or C-team avengers, and villians. so far, we've rehashed extremis, and the tasserac tech from the movies.
i'm just not feeling the the team members, i think the characters are just too cliche. also, the TV show looks kind of cheap. maybe they need a better camera or something, but the cinematography looks like an episode of V. hell, the guys who do the anthony bourdain cnn travel show has better shots.
Watched episode one the other night after the football with my dad. Was pretty good, wasn't amazing omg mode, but it was pretty solid and has potential. The issue i have at the moment is why they always make the "hacker" a fucking pretty faced girl. I mean they could atleast make it an Asian female to make it a little bit realistic ;_; It's like the computer geek in Arrow, some hot blonde with huge bewbs and you just face palm every time she tries to be intelligent.
That rant over....i hope they don't just play it out like 1 super power guy to track down every episode, and theirs stuff to do etcetc, i hope they build a story around a proper enemy and such.
Has potential, hope it delivers If not i'll be waiting for the next season of Arrow to air!
On October 03 2013 17:08 Pandemona wrote: Watched episode one the other night after the football with my dad. Was pretty good, wasn't amazing omg mode, but it was pretty solid and has potential. The issue i have at the moment is why they always make the "hacker" a fucking pretty faced girl. I mean they could atleast make it an Asian female to make it a little bit realistic ;_;
I don't really watch TV dramas much so sorry if this is a stupid question but is acting in tv dramas all this bad? I had a few cringe moments that just seem so much more amateur compared to movies.
2nd episode was a lot less terrible, the acting is still meh and the only time I laughed was when Fury showed up at the end. They toned down the cheesyness and all that stupid bs, here's hoping they keep improving. Also Firefly was terrible, if anything this is 10 times better compared to that.
Really, I thought episode 1 had a lot of potential and delivered what I was expecting, while episode 2, being a character building episode, was quite stale..
On October 05 2013 02:55 TanKLoveR wrote: 2nd episode was a lot less terrible, the acting is still meh and the only time I laughed was when Fury showed up at the end. They toned down the cheesyness and all that stupid bs, here's hoping they keep improving. Also Firefly was terrible, if anything this is 10 times better compared to that.
You... You take that back firefly was like my favorite tv show ever.
I liked the second episode more. I probably should have but I genuinely didn't see that text message coming.
On September 25 2013 14:08 EleanorRIgby wrote: i bet they came up with that stupid faked death story just for this show. i was expecting to see some real heroes, not some black ops government dicks and sexy women hackers
The conversation between Hills and the doctor make it sound like there's something more to it. Likely something like the Super Soldier Serum or some other technology (maybe even cloning).
The reason Coulson has all those ancient toys and trading cards is because he was a child during that time. He took a version of the super soldier serum that was supposed to be more subtle and safe for the subject during the Cold War when the Red Room revealed their version of the serum (Black Widow). He did die during the Avengers movie. The Coulson we see now is a robot imitation that has been used throughout the history of shield when an agent must personally be involved in an op, but was too valuable an asset to engage a significant threat. Or they used the serum to resurrect him. I like the robot idea better.
On October 05 2013 02:55 TanKLoveR wrote: 2nd episode was a lot less terrible, the acting is still meh and the only time I laughed was when Fury showed up at the end. They toned down the cheesyness and all that stupid bs, here's hoping they keep improving. Also Firefly was terrible, if anything this is 10 times better compared to that.
You... You take that back firefly was like my favorite tv show ever.
I liked the second episode more. I probably should have but I genuinely didn't see that text message coming.
I second that. If you are someone who calls Firefly terrible you either hate sci-fi or you're just trying to start trouble. Also I can't ever trust your opinion on anything because of it.
On October 05 2013 02:38 Brutaxilos wrote: I don't really watch TV dramas much so sorry if this is a stupid question but is acting in tv dramas all this bad? I had a few cringe moments that just seem so much more amateur compared to movies.
Noooo. The thing about Whedon's TV shows imo is that where they lack in acting and professionalism they more than make up for in charm. Right now I don't really give a damn about these characters (never really liked Coulson anyway) but I'm pretty sure by the end of the season I'll be a fan of them and the show. Somehow they just creep up on you.
But the acting in his shows is usually mediocre at best and the visuals (cinematography, CGI) look cheap and quickly produced
There are plenty of television dramas (especially as of late) that rival or exceed that of movies in terms of acting and professionalism... most notably Breaking Bad but others like Boardwalk Empire, Game of Thrones, etc... all make this television show look like it's a high school production.
Just saw 2 first episode, really cool. Looking forward to see what direction they take. Robin was robin though :D, that voice can't be hidden, instantly was thinking she is talking to Ted.
Really disappointed with how bad the second ep was. This could have been so cool but instead it seems to be rather sad. Hopefully I'm wrong and they decided to start off poorly then ramp up
First episode was so-so, not very good but i like the Marvel universe, so i gave ep. 2 a shot. And what a major disappointment it was. I think i never saw such a bad second episode in any series. Maybe i'll look into 3 and drop it, but i don't think there is anything that get me hooked again.
It's too bad that Joss didn't write the second episode (or any of the following ones) so I don't have a lot of hope honestly. I will still definitely be watching for at least a couple more episodes and hope that the characters make themselves a little more likeable. Also the asian pilot lady is annoying the hell out of me ;-;
On October 05 2013 02:55 TanKLoveR wrote: 2nd episode was a lot less terrible, the acting is still meh and the only time I laughed was when Fury showed up at the end. They toned down the cheesyness and all that stupid bs, here's hoping they keep improving. Also Firefly was terrible, if anything this is 10 times better compared to that.
Whoa whoa, calm down. Do you want the ENTIRE Internet after you?
On October 03 2013 17:08 Pandemona wrote: Watched episode one the other night after the football with my dad. Was pretty good, wasn't amazing omg mode, but it was pretty solid and has potential. The issue i have at the moment is why they always make the "hacker" a fucking pretty faced girl. I mean they could atleast make it an Asian female to make it a little bit realistic ;_;
Her father is Chinese.
Speaking of which, it turns out that she attempted to become a Chinese pop star before she became an actress. She was born Chole Wang and changed her name to Chloe Bennett at some point.
The series so far is generally okay. I mean, they are just looking at making this like a "human avengers".
I'm not yet good with character names so bear with me.
Cavalry is their version of Hulk Coulson is Fury (obvious I know) Solo Agent is Thor Computer Hacker girl is Stark (Chloe Bennet) The 2 scientists, if they continue to be in the field, would be Hawkeye and Black Widow (from a weakness in the field standpoint when it comes to being different from the reality/plane in which their team mates exist)
Ep1 is assembling the team part of the movie Ep2 is the establishing a common enemy part of the movie to allow them to work properly together (Coulson death).
That's what I feel is what is being done here. But most likely they will add a character or two more to add to the team given the "revalation" at the end. Maybe one of them will a super, mutate or mutant?
On October 03 2013 17:08 Pandemona wrote: Watched episode one the other night after the football with my dad. Was pretty good, wasn't amazing omg mode, but it was pretty solid and has potential. The issue i have at the moment is why they always make the "hacker" a fucking pretty faced girl. I mean they could atleast make it an Asian female to make it a little bit realistic ;_;
Her father is Chinese.
Speaking of which, it turns out that she attempted to become a Chinese pop star before she became an actress. She was born Chole Wang and changed her name to Chloe Bennett at some point.
On topic of Asian music, she was in Big Bang's "Tonight" music video apparently.
The show is so so right now, but starting to drop to terrible when episode 2 ended. I'm willing to give it a chance still since it's early in the series.
The second episode was the mandatory in these types of shows team building episode. I'm just glad its over and a super villain is in the next one. Also the villain (not naming for those who don't watch previews for what ever reason) is a heavy weight, so we might get a hero appearance as well, which should make for a good episode if Weeden is involved.
On October 07 2013 09:52 Jaaaaasper wrote: The second episode was the mandatory in these types of shows team building episode. I'm just glad its over and a super villain is in the next one. Also the villain (not naming for those who don't watch previews for what ever reason) is a heavy weight, so we might get a hero appearance as well, which should make for a good episode if Weeden is involved.
I wanted so badly for this show to be awesome, but so far it's just okay. It's not terrible, but it really needs to hit its stride. I still think there is a lot of potential for this show if they do things right.
On October 07 2013 10:22 juicyjames wrote: I wanted so badly for this show to be awesome, but so far it's just okay. It's not terrible, but it really needs to hit its stride. I still think there is a lot of potential for this show if they do things right.
That's how I feel, but because it's Whedon I always give him a season, while other shows get three episodes chance to convince me. I gave up on Dollhouse after three episodes, and then half way through the second season I watched all of season one, caught up, and loved it. I'll still hold strong for this show.
On October 06 2013 01:54 GhandiEAGLE wrote: It's too bad that Joss didn't write the second episode (or any of the following ones) so I don't have a lot of hope honestly. I will still definitely be watching for at least a couple more episodes and hope that the characters make themselves a little more likeable. Also the asian pilot lady is annoying the hell out of me ;-;
He's not writing anything besides the pilot (which was mediocre at best)? Yeah, not promising. At all. Might not watch the 3rd ep. Hell, I barely watched the 2nd as it was so crappy and predictable.
On October 07 2013 10:22 juicyjames wrote: I wanted so badly for this show to be awesome, but so far it's just okay. It's not terrible, but it really needs to hit its stride. I still think there is a lot of potential for this show if they do things right.
That's how I feel, but because it's Whedon I always give him a season, while other shows get three episodes chance to convince me. I gave up on Dollhouse after three episodes, and then half way through the second season I watched all of season one, caught up, and loved it. I'll still hold strong for this show.
Still holding out hope, but remember it's Jed, not Joss. My hope is that it's just one of those things where it takes a bit to hit its stride. Buffy was terrible first season. First few episodes of Dollhouse were dull and formulaic. Maybe SHIELD gets better. It's definitely weak right now, but it's fun enough to watch, so I'll give it my patience.
My response is yes, like the plague. In fact, if you could choose between the plague and this show, I'd be very tempted to choose the plague.
It's not even so much that the show is bad (it's soooooo bad) it's that it's bad with so much potential and so much expectation. Like it all you want, I hope it has a ton of fans so it can stay on the air and turn around, but I can't stomach it. The acting is awful, which single-handedly turns me off to the series in it's entirety. I love J August Richards, but wtf was he even doing that first episode? So much fan-service kinda just thrown in there for seemingly no reason (hey lets reference this and this from the movies/comics, that's bound to get nerd attention!). I kind of feel insulted by it, as if they think of me as part of a formula that's so simply targeted. Don't get me wrong, the universe requires some reference back and forth, but it seems so forced and just not enjoyable.
I don't know if I can stick around with it, I simply don't think I have it in me. I'm weak, I know :<
On October 07 2013 09:41 17Sphynx17 wrote: The series so far is generally okay. I mean, they are just looking at making this like a "human avengers".
I'm not yet good with character names so bear with me.
Cavalry is their version of Hulk Coulson is Fury (obvious I know) Solo Agent is Thor Computer Hacker girl is Stark (Chloe Bennet) The 2 scientists, if they continue to be in the field, would be Hawkeye and Black Widow (from a weakness in the field standpoint when it comes to being different from the reality/plane in which their team mates exist)
Ep1 is assembling the team part of the movie Ep2 is the establishing a common enemy part of the movie to allow them to work properly together (Coulson death).
That's what I feel is what is being done here. But most likely they will add a character or two more to add to the team given the "revalation" at the end. Maybe one of them will a super, mutate or mutant?
Is anyone else annoyed that all the agents are super hot 20 year olds? It doesn't make any sense. The last line of defense between this world and whats out there is them? And they aren't even that good at acting, which makes it feels so cheesy from time to time. I would have much preferred if there were at least a couple of older actors aswell. They are better actors, make the show feel less cheesy and make it allow for the characters to have their own unique background story.
Even the tech nerd that hacked SHIELD solo is a freaking hot girl. And I'm not saying that beautiful girls wouldn't be able to do that, but why didn't any of the characters even make the slightest remark about it. They all pretend like its the most normal thing in the world.
I gave this series a second shot and started watching episode 2. But about 10 min in they are in the middle of the jungle with so much make up that it looks like they are going out to a ball. When they get attacked by the local soldiers, guess who turned out to be their commander .. another beautiful girl. (this is where i stopped watching)
And i know so many series, like the vampire diaries, have the same problem but man i expected better from this show.
On October 09 2013 05:29 Kaien wrote: Is anyone else annoyed that all the agents are super hot 20 year olds? It doesn't make any sense. The last line of defense between this world and whats out there is them? And they aren't even that good at acting, which makes it feels so cheesy from time to time. I would have much preferred if there were at least a couple of older actors aswell. They are better actors, make the show feel less cheesy and make it allow for the characters to have their own unique background story.
Even the tech nerd that hacked SHIELD solo is a freaking hot girl. And I'm not saying that beautiful girls wouldn't be able to do that, but why didn't any of the characters even make the slightest remark about it. They all pretend like its the most normal thing in the world.
I gave this series a second shot and started watching episode 2. But about 10 min in they are in the middle of the jungle with so much make up that it looks like they are going out to a ball. When they get attacked by the local soldiers, guess who turned out to be their commander .. another beautiful girl. (this is where i stopped watching)
And i know so many series, like the vampire diaries, have the same problem but man i expected better from this show.
Series based on nerdy stuff contains lots and lots of pretty women - i wonder why that is!
i cant believe that noone pointed out yet, that they sealed a huge hole in a plane with a fucking life raft. like seriously? that flying car in ep1 was stupid already but this? i know this show is about supernatural stuff but common.. at least a tiny bit of realism. i dont think i cant watch a 3rd episode of this
On October 09 2013 05:29 Kaien wrote: Is anyone else annoyed that all the agents are super hot 20 year olds? It doesn't make any sense. The last line of defense between this world and whats out there is them? And they aren't even that good at acting, which makes it feels so cheesy from time to time. I would have much preferred if there were at least a couple of older actors aswell. They are better actors, make the show feel less cheesy and make it allow for the characters to have their own unique background story.
Even the tech nerd that hacked SHIELD solo is a freaking hot girl. And I'm not saying that beautiful girls wouldn't be able to do that, but why didn't any of the characters even make the slightest remark about it. They all pretend like its the most normal thing in the world.
I gave this series a second shot and started watching episode 2. But about 10 min in they are in the middle of the jungle with so much make up that it looks like they are going out to a ball. When they get attacked by the local soldiers, guess who turned out to be their commander .. another beautiful girl. (this is where i stopped watching)
And i know so many series, like the vampire diaries, have the same problem but man i expected better from this show.
On October 03 2013 17:08 Pandemona wrote: Watched episode one the other night after the football with my dad. Was pretty good, wasn't amazing omg mode, but it was pretty solid and has potential. The issue i have at the moment is why they always make the "hacker" a fucking pretty faced girl. I mean they could atleast make it an Asian female to make it a little bit realistic ;_;
Her father is Chinese.
Speaking of which, it turns out that she attempted to become a Chinese pop star before she became an actress. She was born Chole Wang and changed her name to Chloe Bennett at some point.
Good episode imo. A couple of stupid things. Skye running into Ward's arms after he saved her made me cringe. And the whole "We all have guns but let us engage in hand-to-hand combat" thing in the same scene was pretty dumb as well. But I guess Ward can't just put three caps in their heads Rambo-style. The show is set in a superhero world, and you pretty much don't do shit like that there. EDIT: Not in Marvel's anyway. They are more about the fistfights.
Other than that everything ran pretty smoothly. Surprised me that Coulson dropped doctor guy into the gravity thing. But I guess he didn't have much of a choice, if he wanted to save his crew. All in all, this episode gives me hope for the series.
Firefly took just a tad too long to get most people involved. Buffy is horrific until the middle of season two. I am really sure that they are soon going to find their rythm.
I sign the petition for more edgy actors. They did a great job with the old guy from the movie as the main one, they should have more old/weird people.
As to the beautiful hacker-girl. Well they did not cater to the stereotype and gave her dark cirlces around the eyes and some weird scruffy hair and goth/industrial clothing. That actually makes her less flat for the role and they have time to come up with an explanation why she did not just became an actress or pop-idol with these looks, . Someone with the looks of Eric S. Raymond or Richard Stallman would have been amazing though!
It is not too late to change most of the cast.
And i know so many series, like the vampire diaries, have the same problem but man i expected better from this show.
Problem? That is the reason why I watch vampire diaries. It basicly is soft porn. I sometimes mute episodes and listen to music meanwhile. The visuals just trumph the writing by a huge margin.
On October 09 2013 23:48 HaRuHi wrote: Problem? That is the reason why I watch vampire diaries. It basically is soft porn. I sometimes mute episodes and listen to music meanwhile. The visuals just trumph the writing by a huge margin.
Actually I've always admired TVD for the amount of plot twists they manage to cram into a season. You can argue if the story is worth much, but at least it never gets boring :p TVD is just a good show overall imo. Of course, you have to not mind all the pretty people in the cast (But why the fuck would you mind looking at pretty girls? ). But you can have your opinion of course
And AoS is a Whedon show so a few of the cast will probably die off at some point. If it runs long enough.
On October 09 2013 23:48 HaRuHi wrote: Well to be honest here, it`s Joss Whedon.
Firefly took just a tad too long to get most people involved. Buffy is horrific until the middle of season two. I am really sure that they are soon going to find their rythm.
I sign the petition for more edgy actors. They did a great job with the old guy from the movie as the main one, they should have more old/weird people.
As to the beautiful hacker-girl. Well they did not cater to the stereotype and gave her dark cirlces around the eyes and some weird scruffy hair and goth/industrial clothing. That actually makes her less flat for the role and they have time to come up with an explanation why she did not just became an actress or pop-idol with these looks, . Someone with the looks of Eric S. Raymond or Richard Stallman would have been amazing though!
And i know so many series, like the vampire diaries, have the same problem but man i expected better from this show.
Problem? That is the reason why I watch vampire diaries. It basicly is soft porn. I sometimes mute episodes and listen to music meanwhile. The visuals just trumph the writing by a huge margin.
I disagree with this bolded part. I was captivated by Buffy from the start (granted I was in the demographic) and with Firefly I understand the slowness, but at least they were doing interesting things (think of the deliberate use of lack of sound, and a lot of the camera shots were incredibly experimental). I still didn't think that it was all that slow to begin myself, but I can understand it.
SHIELD feels like a "safe" fanservice specific show that's just not being given the effort necessary.
On October 09 2013 23:48 HaRuHi wrote: Well to be honest here, it`s Joss Whedon.
Firefly took just a tad too long to get most people involved.
Are you talking about when it was on television? The reason no one go involved too much then is because they showed most of the episodes out of order.
I feel like I'm in the minority as a non-hater. Episode 3 was better than the other two. People complaining about good looking people is funny, I find the tech people to be very plain looking and most people in JW's shows are good looking or plain.
The way my country was portrayed in episode 3 is quite funny and well, makes the plot look a bit silly to someone like me xD
1) Malta is not a country which would not extradite criminals; perhaps not to the US if there's the risk of the suspect being given the death penalty, but it would definitely extradite to any of the US's European NATO allies lol, especially with a little something called a European Arrest Warrant lol. 2) Maltese authorities would definitely not shoot US forces on sight haha; US warships (and those of several other countries including Russia, France, UK etc) are a regular sight in Maltese harbours; Malta allowed the US to use airstrips and harbours during the Libyan crisis as well - the last time Malta was against foreign military influence was in the 80s, and even then, when there was a plane hijacking, the authorities allowed US-led Egyptian commandos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EgyptAir_Flight_648), so really, in the real world, SHIELD would really have been welcomed 3) Ian Quin says that Malta allows him to do the research necessary for progress, research that the US Government, the EU and SHIELD prohibit...but Malta has been in the EU for 10 years, so that bit doesn't make much sense either. 4) Agent Ward asks Coulsen to drop him off outside the hills in Valletta (Malta's capital) so that he can create a cover ID and infiltrate Ian Quin's place...only there are no 'hills' outside Valletta really, it's just urban sprawl lol. 5) It's funny how it's ok to go into Peru in episode 2 without fearing any consequences, but going into Malta is risky lol, considering Malta's army has no jets, attack helicopters, tanks, armoured vehicles or anything which might possibly be a threat to Agent Coulsen's tie pin.
On October 10 2013 06:47 mikkmagro wrote: The way my country was portrayed in episode 3 is quite funny and well, makes the plot look a bit silly to someone like me xD
1) Malta is not a country which would not extradite criminals; perhaps not to the US if there's the risk of the suspect being given the death penalty, but it would definitely extradite to any of the US's European NATO allies lol, especially with a little something called a European Arrest Warrant lol. 2) Maltese authorities would definitely not shoot US forces on sight haha; US warships (and those of several other countries including Russia, France, UK etc) are a regular sight in Maltese harbours; Malta allowed the US to use airstrips and harbours during the Libyan crisis as well - the last time Malta was against foreign military influence was in the 80s, and even then, when there was a plane hijacking, the authorities allowed US-led Egyptian commandos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EgyptAir_Flight_648), so really, in the real world, SHIELD would really have been welcomed 3) Ian Quin says that Malta allows him to do the research necessary for progress, research that the US Government, the EU and SHIELD prohibit...but Malta has been in the EU for 10 years, so that bit doesn't make much sense either. 4) Agent Ward asks Coulsen to drop him off outside the hills in Valletta (Malta's capital) so that he can create a cover ID and infiltrate Ian Quin's place...only there are no 'hills' outside Valletta really, it's just urban sprawl lol. 5) It's funny how it's ok to go into Peru in episode 2 without fearing any consequences, but going into Malta is risky lol, considering Malta's army has no jets, attack helicopters, tanks, armoured vehicles or anything which might possibly be a threat to Agent Coulsen's tie pin.
So far its not what I was hoping for, its only a solid tv show. I was hoping for more, but its not bad enough to make me stop watching. I hope it gets better, but the source material means I will watch a mediocre tv show. And the viewer numbers and reviews thus far are positive enough that its going to last awhile, which is good. I was hoping for movie quality tv, but that kind of production value is hard to put out and be profitable, so this is what we get in terms of big names and ridiculous special effects unless it gets big enough that marvel sees a profit in putting out 42 minutes of a marvel comics movie once per week.
On October 10 2013 06:47 mikkmagro wrote: The way my country was portrayed in episode 3 is quite funny and well, makes the plot look a bit silly to someone like me xD
1) Malta is not a country which would not extradite criminals; perhaps not to the US if there's the risk of the suspect being given the death penalty, but it would definitely extradite to any of the US's European NATO allies lol, especially with a little something called a European Arrest Warrant lol. 2) Maltese authorities would definitely not shoot US forces on sight haha; US warships (and those of several other countries including Russia, France, UK etc) are a regular sight in Maltese harbours; Malta allowed the US to use airstrips and harbours during the Libyan crisis as well - the last time Malta was against foreign military influence was in the 80s, and even then, when there was a plane hijacking, the authorities allowed US-led Egyptian commandos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EgyptAir_Flight_648), so really, in the real world, SHIELD would really have been welcomed 3) Ian Quin says that Malta allows him to do the research necessary for progress, research that the US Government, the EU and SHIELD prohibit...but Malta has been in the EU for 10 years, so that bit doesn't make much sense either. 4) Agent Ward asks Coulsen to drop him off outside the hills in Valletta (Malta's capital) so that he can create a cover ID and infiltrate Ian Quin's place...only there are no 'hills' outside Valletta really, it's just urban sprawl lol. 5) It's funny how it's ok to go into Peru in episode 2 without fearing any consequences, but going into Malta is risky lol, considering Malta's army has no jets, attack helicopters, tanks, armoured vehicles or anything which might possibly be a threat to Agent Coulsen's tie pin.
I'm aware of this as is the producers of the show, but the marvel verse is a alternate universe in more ways than aliens and super heroes. Any who expects to see the real world+ is going to be disappointed. That being said I feel your pain on misrepresentation of your country, I live in a state that doesn't get a very accurate representation in tv based off of the real world.
All the fake science apart, how in the world did her dress get longer after her jump into the pool? It seems to be a few inches below the knees in the gif, and in the segment where she gets out of the car its about 3-4 inches above the knee.
edit: On further observation it seems that the top part stretched down and the pleated part is still about the same length. I guess that's why there is so much cleavage.
On October 09 2013 23:48 HaRuHi wrote: Well to be honest here, it`s Joss Whedon.
Stop repeating this. It's patently false. The show runner is his brother, Jed Whedon. Which was obviously a mistake. I'm still hoping it gets better, but it feels like a weak, watered down version on a real Joss Whedon show. Which is what it is.
I really, really want so bad to like it. I'll give it a few more episodes, but between the low quality of the show, and the terrible ABC player, I will eventually give up if it stays this bad.
ABC has picked up the back-nine episodes of Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. to bring the series to a complete 22-episode season. Here's the official press release:
ABC ANNOUNCES FULL SEASON ORDER FOR “MARVEL’S AGENTS OF S.H.I.E.L.D.”
ABC has picked up new hit drama “Marvel’s Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.” for a full season, it was announced today by Paul Lee, president, ABC Entertainment Group.
The series opened as TV’s highest-rated drama debut in nearly 4 years (since 11/03/09) and ranks as the No. 1 new show of the 2013-14 season among Adults 18-49 (4.0 Live + Same Day rating/5.7 Live + 3 Day rating). On average, “Marvel’s Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.” is No. 1 in its Tuesday, 8 o’clock time period, and has more than doubled the young adult delivery in the hour year-to-year (+150%).
“Marvel’s Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.” stars Clark Gregg as Agent Phil Coulson, Ming-Na Wen as Agent Melinda May, Brett Dalton as Agent Grant Ward, Chloe Bennet as Skye, Iain De Caestecker as Agent Leo Fitz and Elizabeth Henstridge as Agent Jemma Simmons.
“Marvel’s Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.,” Marvel’s first television series, was co-created by Joss Whedon, Jed Whedon and Maurissa Tancharoen (“Dollhouse,” “Dr. Horrible’s Sing-Along Blog”), who also serve as executive producers along with Jeph Loeb (“Smallville,” “Lost,” “Heroes”) and Jeffrey Bell (“Angel,” “Alias”). “Marvel’s Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.” is produced by ABC Studios and Marvel Television, and is broadcast in 720 Progressive (720P), ABC’s selected HDTV format, with 5.1-channel surround sound.
On October 11 2013 07:55 AlternativeEgo wrote: How on earth did this manage to become a success?! o.O
How could a show riding off the success of Avengers not be successful? You can argue whether its good or bad all day, but people are going to watch it. At least the first few episodes.
If its going to continue the success a season or two from now on the other hand..
On October 11 2013 08:09 Numy wrote: Pretty sad really. Good TV gets cut and crap TV becomes a success.
Ironically, both has happened to shows involving Whedon.
I actually don't hate this... I thought the third episode was at least better personally, but I'd rather have firefly
I agree. The show isn't nearly as bad as people in this thread make it out to be. Its not great, and perhaps not deserving of the amount of the popularity its getting atm. But its by no means bad either. It also shows a lot of potential to be really good one day.
That said, there isn't a show I wouldn't trade for Firefly either.
On October 11 2013 08:09 Numy wrote: Pretty sad really. Good TV gets cut and crap TV becomes a success.
Ironically, both has happened to shows involving Whedon.
I actually don't hate this... I thought the third episode was at least better personally, but I'd rather have firefly
I agree. The show isn't nearly as bad as people in this thread make it out to be. Its not great, and perhaps not deserving of the amount of the popularity its getting atm. But its by no means bad either. It also shows a lot of potential to be really good one day.
That said, there isn't a show I wouldn't trade for Firefly either.
I just wish this show had some direction. 3 episodes in and its just "go on mission, comeback safely". only overall plot development is in the characters which happens very slowly. and everything thats unanswered in the episode is just entirely dropped the next one. Like for example, whatever happened to everything that happened in the pilot? What happened to the doctor, the hero guy, and the mysterious organization? entirely forgotten in the subsequent episodes. that proceed take off in an entirely different direction. I have that same feeling with episode 3... Ok we now have a villain of some sort YAY. ok lets forget about him entirely next week? and do something new that the show will forget about entirely the week after, and keep including more teasers and cliffhangers to every episode they then forget about? Just how the show feels to me.
Im fine with every episode being standalone in a sense, but they keep setting every episode up to be something more like there is supposed to be this continuity in the story between episodes, yet never happens.
On October 11 2013 08:09 Numy wrote: Pretty sad really. Good TV gets cut and crap TV becomes a success.
Ironically, both has happened to shows involving Whedon.
I actually don't hate this... I thought the third episode was at least better personally, but I'd rather have firefly
I agree. The show isn't nearly as bad as people in this thread make it out to be. Its not great, and perhaps not deserving of the amount of the popularity its getting atm. But its by no means bad either. It also shows a lot of potential to be really good one day.
That said, there isn't a show I wouldn't trade for Firefly either.
I just wish this show had some direction. 3 episodes in and its just "go on mission, comeback safely". only overall plot development is in the characters which happens very slowly. and everything thats unanswered in the episode is just entirely dropped the next one. Like for example, whatever happened to everything that happened in the pilot? What happened to the doctor, the hero guy, and the mysterious organization? entirely forgotten in the subsequent episodes. that proceed take off in an entirely different direction. I have that same feeling with episode 3... Ok we now have a villain of some sort YAY. ok lets forget about him entirely next week? and do something new that the show will forget about entirely the week after, and keep including more teasers and cliffhangers to every episode they then forget about? Just how the show feels to me.
Im fine with every episode being standalone in a sense, but they keep setting every episode up to be something more like there is supposed to be this continuity in the story between episodes, yet never happens.
About episode 1: Go watch Iron man 3, they are intertwined.
On October 11 2013 08:09 Numy wrote: Pretty sad really. Good TV gets cut and crap TV becomes a success.
Ironically, both has happened to shows involving Whedon.
I actually don't hate this... I thought the third episode was at least better personally, but I'd rather have firefly
I agree. The show isn't nearly as bad as people in this thread make it out to be. Its not great, and perhaps not deserving of the amount of the popularity its getting atm. But its by no means bad either. It also shows a lot of potential to be really good one day.
That said, there isn't a show I wouldn't trade for Firefly either.
I just wish this show had some direction. 3 episodes in and its just "go on mission, comeback safely". only overall plot development is in the characters which happens very slowly. and everything thats unanswered in the episode is just entirely dropped the next one. Like for example, whatever happened to everything that happened in the pilot? What happened to the doctor, the hero guy, and the mysterious organization? entirely forgotten in the subsequent episodes. that proceed take off in an entirely different direction. I have that same feeling with episode 3... Ok we now have a villain of some sort YAY. ok lets forget about him entirely next week? and do something new that the show will forget about entirely the week after, and keep including more teasers and cliffhangers to every episode they then forget about? Just how the show feels to me.
Im fine with every episode being standalone in a sense, but they keep setting every episode up to be something more like there is supposed to be this continuity in the story between episodes, yet never happens.
About episode 1: Go watch Iron man 3, they are intertwined.
I have, they still kind of just flat out drop everything else about that episode in the next episode though. Iron man 3 while answers alot of questions, still like what happened to everyone involved in that episode is still a mystery... And the super power thing in episode one was not entirely extremis either, Project centipede gave the impression while it included parts of extremis, it had alot more to it than just that. And its also a bit difficult to place how close together the events in ironman 3 and the pilot are. As if coulson knows about extremis from the glow look, im assuming it took place sometime after that movie, As both start some time shortly after newyork.
If it's only just been confirmed that it's been picked up for a full season don't you think it's a possibility they didn't want to start any long term arcs in case the show only ended up with a half season?
On October 11 2013 20:52 miicah wrote: If it's only just been confirmed that it's been picked up for a full season don't you think it's a possibility they didn't want to start any long term arcs in case the show only ended up with a half season?
Canceled shows almost always end with cliffhangers because of this. Networks don't make the show crappy until it is picked up for a whole season ^_^
Melinda May goes in to take out a rogue S.H.I.E.L.D. agent, but she may have met her match in a clip from an all-new episode of "Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.," premiering Tuesday, October 15 at 8:00 p.m. ET!
On October 17 2013 02:52 Complete wrote: like, how the fuck does it make any sense that a super high tech eye implant that has xray vision and 'cures' blindness doesn't have audio
like, this show is really really really bad and I need to stop watching it.
presumably because either it would show on the outside, or you would have to put it inside and thus only hear what the wearer is saying.
As far as fake tech goes, not having audio on a gadget meant to use as an eye isn't the most unbelievable here.
If you don't like the show, thats ok. But its kinda weird when you start looking for things not to like, instead of harping on the things the show could actually improve on.
On October 17 2013 02:52 Complete wrote: like, how the fuck does it make any sense that a super high tech eye implant that has xray vision and 'cures' blindness doesn't have audio
like, this show is really really really bad and I need to stop watching it.
This is a superhero show. If you want to watch it, you have to leave your logic and realism out at the door, or just not watch it at all.
On October 17 2013 02:52 Complete wrote: like, how the fuck does it make any sense that a super high tech eye implant that has xray vision and 'cures' blindness doesn't have audio
like, this show is really really really bad and I need to stop watching it.
Yea you should. I found it funny how they put the fake camera on a guy that is both taller and moves and acts differently then the black girl and nobody noticed anything. Even in Nikita they are careful about these kind of details.
Still a fun show, just you cannot expect any realism in it.
Mjes, the length difference struck me as well. The show is getting slightly better by the episode though. Or maybe I just got charmed by the Swedishness in this one. Either way the main problem to me still remains, which is the team. Everything about it is bad. I don't see how that will improve so no fifth episode for me.
On October 17 2013 02:52 Complete wrote: like, how the fuck does it make any sense that a super high tech eye implant that has xray vision and 'cures' blindness doesn't have audio
like, this show is really really really bad and I need to stop watching it.
Yea you should. I found it funny how they put the fake camera on a guy that is both taller and moves and acts differently then the black girl and nobody noticed anything. Even in Nikita they are careful about these kind of details.
Still a fun show, just you cannot expect any realism in it.
Did you miss the part where the dude giving instructions was in the same situation as the chick? He probably didn't care enough to notice, as he was just doing as much as he had to in order to stay alive. He wasn't doing it for the benefit of whoever is actually in charge, but just to keep alive. As long as there was nothing blatantly amiss he probably didn't care too much.
On October 17 2013 02:52 Complete wrote: like, how the fuck does it make any sense that a super high tech eye implant that has xray vision and 'cures' blindness doesn't have audio
like, this show is really really really bad and I need to stop watching it.
Yea you should. I found it funny how they put the fake camera on a guy that is both taller and moves and acts differently then the black girl and nobody noticed anything. Even in Nikita they are careful about these kind of details.
Still a fun show, just you cannot expect any realism in it.
Did you miss the part where the dude giving instructions was in the same situation as the chick? He probably didn't care enough to notice, as he was just doing as much as he had to in order to stay alive. He wasn't doing it for the benefit of whoever is actually in charge, but just to keep alive. As long as there was nothing blatantly amiss he probably didn't care too much.
Did you miss the part where why the fuck would they give the kill switch to the guy they're doing the same thing with rather than the actual person who's behind it watching the dude who is watching her.
On October 17 2013 02:52 Complete wrote: like, how the fuck does it make any sense that a super high tech eye implant that has xray vision and 'cures' blindness doesn't have audio
like, this show is really really really bad and I need to stop watching it.
Yea you should. I found it funny how they put the fake camera on a guy that is both taller and moves and acts differently then the black girl and nobody noticed anything. Even in Nikita they are careful about these kind of details.
Still a fun show, just you cannot expect any realism in it.
Did you miss the part where the dude giving instructions was in the same situation as the chick? He probably didn't care enough to notice, as he was just doing as much as he had to in order to stay alive. He wasn't doing it for the benefit of whoever is actually in charge, but just to keep alive. As long as there was nothing blatantly amiss he probably didn't care too much.
Did you miss the part where why the fuck would they give the kill switch to the guy they're doing the same thing with rather than the actual person who's behind it watching the dude who is watching her.
Did you miss the part where this is a superhero story, and every superhero story in existence has plot flaws like this that can be picked apart by a 12 year old?
Imo this is about on the level of Bones/Castle/Supernatural; cheesy, easy to digest and easy to watch. I don't really think it's meant to be picked apart this heavily, go watch something else if that's what you're looking for.
On October 17 2013 08:40 miicah wrote: Imo this is about on the level of Bones/Castle/Supernatural; cheesy, easy to digest and easy to watch. I don't really think it's meant to be picked apart this heavily, go watch something else if that's what you're looking for.
I agree 100%
It is just not this heavy drama stuff everybody seems to compare it to. It is just a cartoon with real people. Let it be a cartoon and you will have much more fun with it.
On October 17 2013 08:40 miicah wrote: Imo this is about on the level of Bones/Castle/Supernatural; cheesy, easy to digest and easy to watch. I don't really think it's meant to be picked apart this heavily, go watch something else if that's what you're looking for.
I agree 100%
It is just not this heavy drama stuff everybody seems to compare it to. It is just a cartoon with real people. Let it be a cartoon and you will have much more fun with it.
I agree with this. However, if Marvel does go through with their supposed plans for more shows I really hope they hit many different genres.
Marvel Preps 60-Episode Package Of Four Series & A Mini For VOD & Cable Networks
(Monday October 14, 2013 @ 6:24pm PDT) EXCLUSIVE: The notorious secrecy that surrounds Marvel‘s projects has been heightened to the nth degree for this one. No one would breathe a word, with rumors that everyone from top to bottom is bound by strict nondisclosure agreements, but I hear that Marvel is quietly putting together a package of four drama series and a miniseries — a total of some 60 episodes — that would be taken out to the VOD and cable space, with Netflix, Amazon and WGN America rumored as potential candidates. Feelers had been sent out, and I hear there’s already interest from digital platforms and traditional cable networks in the package, which I hear is in very early stages with very little talent attached. Reps for Marvel refused any comment. The company has been so adamant about keeping its projects under wraps that ABC topper Paul Lee joked at TCA in August that critics who wanted to attend a screening of the Agents Of S.H.I.E.L.D. pilot — the only one in ages to not be distributed in advance — could expect to be asked to submit “a sample of your grandmother’s urine or the Marvel guys won’t let you in.”
In addition to S.H.I.E.L.D., which was just given a full-season order, as we first reported, Marvel is developing a potential TV series inspired by Agent Carter, a one shot featured on the Blu-ray release of Iron Man 3. It is unclear whether that project is being earmarked for ABC or would be part of the VOD/cable package. Committing to 60 episodes off the bat is a big undertaking for a network/digital service but would make sense for outlets new to scripted programming that are looking to quickly build up a slate and want to capitalize on the Marvel brand.
I agree that quality of shows has been picking up but i think I'm just going to wait for a full season to continue to watch. I disagree with comparison to supernatural. those guys might not be a listers, but I feel like they look like academy award winners compared to Skye, ward, whoever else they got.
On October 17 2013 08:40 miicah wrote: Imo this is about on the level of Bones/Castle/Supernatural; cheesy, easy to digest and easy to watch. I don't really think it's meant to be picked apart this heavily, go watch something else if that's what you're looking for.
This is not in any stretch of the imagination on the level of Castle/Supernatural and even Bones is better filmed.
Obviously that's all opinion, but I don't see how this even begins to compare.
I feel like the show has been slowly improving over time, but tonight's episode might finally have been the turning point where in the future we all can look back and definitively say, "This is where the show got good." Am I the only one?
On November 06 2013 15:40 juicyjames wrote: I feel like the show has been slowly improving over time, but tonight's episode might finally have been the turning point where in the future we all can look back and definitively say, "This is where the show got good." Am I the only one?
Isn't that how every Joss Whedon show ever works? It takes a few episodes to get settled in and to get rid of the original expectations. And then you can start to enjoy the show.
On November 07 2013 05:58 Complete wrote: o god that episode was soooo bad LOL
k, time to get some goddamn self control and stop watching
No it wasn't. Its pretty much an unison agreement that this latest episode was miles better than the ones before. You are right though: if you don't find anything enjoyable about it by now, you might as well stop watching.
The episode had a weird pacing though... Once the 3rd fireman dies, there was no driving force to the plot at all anymore. You could actually foresee pretty much exactly what would happen just because there was 20 minutes left on the clock.
That said, it was pretty much the best episode of the series because it tried to resonate on an emotional level instead of just "here's some action scenes".
So far this show is a weaker version of Fringe. I would rather have watched another season of Fringe then. I wanted this show to be its own show about Marvel universe full of heroes and stuff but from a normal human point of view, but what we got is a group of humans investigating strange SciFi happenings just like in Fringe, but with worse plots, and worse acting.
Whilst the last episode wasn't as cringe-worthy as the previous episodes, it's still really bad. The lack of a plot uniting the episodes together, the lack of a villain - it's just people flying around and investigating something weird, every episode - except for the references to the movies, nothing Marvel-esque at all. It's cliche-ridden and most of the actors are horrible..Agent Ward and Skye in particular. I also hate the stereotypical magic scientist geeks which Marvel seems to love so far...it's as though wearing glasses in the marvel universe makes you a prodigy in chemistry, biology, engineering, IT, quantum physics, who seem to be able to create something capable of saving the universe in 30 minutes, in every episode.
I'll still watch it though for some unknown reason >.>
On November 07 2013 21:10 mikkmagro wrote: Whilst the last episode wasn't as cringe-worthy as the previous episodes, it's still really bad. The lack of a plot uniting the episodes together, the lack of a villain - it's just people flying around and investigating something weird, every episode - except for the references to the movies, nothing Marvel-esque at all. It's cliche-ridden and most of the actors are horrible..Agent Ward and Skye in particular. I also hate the stereotypical magic scientist geeks which Marvel seems to love so far...it's as though wearing glasses in the marvel universe makes you a prodigy in chemistry, biology, engineering, IT, quantum physics, who seem to be able to create something capable of saving the universe in 30 minutes, in every episode.
I'll still watch it though for some unknown reason >.>
Pretty much this... and the more screentime they get, the worse it is. So this episode was really really pathetic.
Look, an unknown virus of alien origin. It'll take me 30 minutes to whip up a cure!
Yes, we can then fill those 30 minutes with a lovey dovey badly acted interaction between the science geeks! Best episode ever! :/
On the other hand, it meant there was less screentime for Skye and Ward's atrocious acting and interactions, so I guess that's a plus.
Disney's Marvel and Netflix Join Forces to Develop Historic Four Series Epic plus a Mini-Series Event Based on Renowned Marvel Characters
Landmark Deal Brings Marvel’s Flawed Heroes of Hell’s Kitchen, led by "Daredevil," to the World’s Leading Internet TV Network in 2015
Burbank, Calif. - Nov 7, 2013—The Walt Disney Co. (NYSE: DIS) and Netflix Inc. (NASDAQ: NFLX) today announced an unprecedented deal for Marvel TV to bring multiple original series of live-action adventures of four of Marvel's most popular characters exclusively to the world's leading Internet TV Network beginning in 2015. This pioneering agreement calls for Marvel to develop four serialized programs leading to a mini-series programming event.
Led by a series focused on "Daredevil," followed by "Jessica Jones," "Iron Fist" and "Luke Cage," the epic will unfold over multiple years of original programming, taking Netflix members deep into the gritty world of heroes and villains of Hell's Kitchen, New York. Netflix has committed to a minimum of four, thirteen episodes series and a culminating Marvel's "The Defenders" mini-series event that reimagines a dream team of self-sacrificing, heroic characters.
Produced by Marvel Television in association with ABC Television Studios, this groundbreaking deal is Marvel’s most ambitious foray yet into live-action TV storytelling.
"This deal is unparalleled in its scope and size, and reinforces our commitment to deliver Marvel's brand, content and characters across all platforms of storytelling. Netflix offers an incredible platform for the kind of rich storytelling that is Marvel’s specialty," said Alan Fine, President of Marvel Entertainment. "This serialized epic expands the narrative possibilities of on-demand television and gives fans the flexibility to immerse themselves how and when they want in what's sure to be a thrilling and engaging adventure."
"Marvel’s movies, such as 'Iron Man' and 'Marvel’s The Avengers,' are huge favorites on our service around the world. Like Disney, Marvel is a known and loved brand that travels," said Netflix Chief Content Officer Ted Sarandos. "With 'House of Cards' and our other original series, we have pioneered new approaches to storytelling and to global distribution and we're thrilled to be working with Disney and Marvel to take our brand of television to new levels with a creative project of this magnitude."
This new original TV deal follows last year's landmark movie distribution deal through which, beginning with 2016 theatrically released feature films, Netflix will be the exclusive U.S. subscription television service for first-run, live-action and animated movies from the Walt Disney Studios, including titles from Disney, Walt Disney Animation Studios, Pixar Animation Studios, Marvel Studios, Disneynature and Lucasfilm. Netflix members can currently enjoy a wide range of Disney, ABC TV and Disney Channel films and shows across the 41 countries where Netflix operates.
Why the hate? I think the last two episodes were actually pretty decent.+ Show Spoiler +
It was a bit strange to jump between a super secret infiltration mission to a comical stunning if your vastly superior officer, but it was still alright. Coulson and Sky egot more development. They continued to develop Fitz and Simmons into more than just two extremely smart geeks who can't take care of themselves.
Abd about finding a cure in thirty minutes... First of all it was technically hours. Secondly, this is a world with aliens wormholes and superheroes. Why do people keep criticizing supernatural things for not being realistic?]
On November 14 2013 00:13 Alryk wrote: Abd about finding a cure in thirty minutes... First of all it was technically hours. Secondly, this is a world with aliens wormholes and superheroes. Why do people keep criticizing supernatural things for not being realistic?
Because something is supernatural in the context that everything around it is realistic.
A superhero is 'super' because he is much better, stronger etc than the rest. If everyone was as powerful, he/she wouldn't be super at all.
On November 14 2013 00:13 Alryk wrote: Abd about finding a cure in thirty minutes... First of all it was technically hours. Secondly, this is a world with aliens wormholes and superheroes. Why do people keep criticizing supernatural things for not being realistic?
Because something is supernatural in the context that everything around it is realistic.
A superhero is 'super' because he is much better, stronger etc than the rest. If everyone was as powerful, he/she wouldn't be super at all.
But they're in a world with superheroes, which is the context and supernatural stuff should happen and not be realistic. Otherwise it'd be 24, which wasn't realistic either in many cases.
I can't express how I hated this last episode. It suffers from the same issues as always but packs them on the top. The character development is ok(-ish) and builds a nice framework for the action/villain of the week story.
But oh-my-fucking-god. What would be the point of this episode? So far they tried to build up the conflict between free information on the one side and secrecy on the other. And there are good reasons to hide some of the stuff they found from the world. But this episode grabs a big bloody club and throws everything off the table. Don't trust no one except for the ones aboard the plane. SHIELD comes off like an organization that both lost control over its agents and is full of psychos who don't give a shit about consequences. For example, Ward is one of the top notch, "Team-6"-like agents who is as close to "A-Team"(hawkeye, black widow, etc.) as it gets. These guys don't grow on trees. Yet crazy SHIELD lady wants to drop him off like a foul apple. Hopping into a sewer makes dogs lose your scent. Sandwich-comedy. omfg. The Hub is obviously 5 (flight) minutes away from "the Russian border". Or they can beam the plane now.
I like the direction they're heading to. SHIELD isn't some benevolent agency that saves the world all the time, it's just as cold and heartless like any other agency.
There's multiple plots that are slowly developing over the course of the season/show, and for the most part, they're pretty interesting.
The show slowly builds up its villains and characters.
There's the Whedonesque touch to everything, keeping things (and characters) human in a fantasy world. That's always appreciated.
Also, if you end up nitpicking and overanalyzing everything in a show, the show's probably not for you. It's popcorn entertainment, not Breaking Bad. If you prefer Breaking Bad, that's great! Go watch something else.
On November 14 2013 09:27 Conti wrote: I like the direction they're heading to. SHIELD isn't some benevolent agency that saves the world all the time, it's just as cold and heartless like any other agency.
There's multiple plots that are slowly developing over the course of the season/show, and for the most part, they're pretty interesting.
The show slowly builds up its villains and characters.
There's the Whedonesque touch to everything, keeping things (and characters) human in a fantasy world. That's always appreciated.
Also, if you end up nitpicking and overanalyzing everything in a show, the show's probably not for you. It's popcorn entertainment, not Breaking Bad. If you prefer Breaking Bad, that's great! Go watch something else.
But why are both the plot so bad and the acting so terrible
I don't mind plots that has plot holes you can drive a truck through, but it does need the actors to make it at least somewhat credible. For instance, Bruce Willis was at least somewhat convincing in Armageddon, despite the gaping flaws. But this episode just drew more attention to how terrible an actor Ward and Sky are... with Simmons only slightly behind. The only character I actually liked this episode was Fitz. He had some good lines and some nice development.
On November 14 2013 09:27 Conti wrote: I like the direction they're heading to. SHIELD isn't some benevolent agency that saves the world all the time, it's just as cold and heartless like any other agency.
There's multiple plots that are slowly developing over the course of the season/show, and for the most part, they're pretty interesting.
The show slowly builds up its villains and characters.
There's the Whedonesque touch to everything, keeping things (and characters) human in a fantasy world. That's always appreciated.
Also, if you end up nitpicking and overanalyzing everything in a show, the show's probably not for you. It's popcorn entertainment, not Breaking Bad. If you prefer Breaking Bad, that's great! Go watch something else.
But why are both the plot so bad and the acting so terrible
I don't mind plots that has plot holes you can drive a truck through, but it does need the actors to make it at least somewhat credible. For instance, Bruce Willis was at least somewhat convincing in Armageddon, despite the gaping flaws. But this episode just drew more attention to how terrible an actor Ward and Sky are... with Simmons only slightly behind. The only character I actually liked this episode was Fitz. He had some good lines and some nice development.
Personally, I don't mind the plot all that much. It's Marvel. Go ahead and show me a Marvel based story that makes sense if you really think about it.
The actors.. eh. They're not emmy material, but hey, we're not talking about AMC or HBO here. Gotta work with what you have. Again, if that seriously bugs you.. this show isn't for you. And I'm not trying to say that in a smug, "you're annoying go away" way. I really mean it. I fully understand if someone doesn't like the show, and there are certainly good reasons for that. We're simply spoiled by films like Avengers and shows like Breaking Bad that we see all those mistakes in shows that aren't like that these days. And if you want to stick to high quality shows, that's perfectly fine. But you cannot have Breaking Bad level expectations for every show you'll watch. No NBC or ABC show will ever be on that level. Ever.
On November 14 2013 09:27 Conti wrote: I like the direction they're heading to. SHIELD isn't some benevolent agency that saves the world all the time, it's just as cold and heartless like any other agency.
There's multiple plots that are slowly developing over the course of the season/show, and for the most part, they're pretty interesting.
The show slowly builds up its villains and characters.
There's the Whedonesque touch to everything, keeping things (and characters) human in a fantasy world. That's always appreciated.
Also, if you end up nitpicking and overanalyzing everything in a show, the show's probably not for you. It's popcorn entertainment, not Breaking Bad. If you prefer Breaking Bad, that's great! Go watch something else.
But that's the point what makes it so frustrating to watch. I can clearly see, what they are trying to do and it works for some parts. But the "meat" of the show, namely the adventure of the week, just doesn't deliver. I wouldn't mind the bad acting and the cheap action sequences if that would be all there is. But it's more that they do have good moments and intelligent ideas. And those two parts simply don't connect well together. It's more about the missed opportunities.
A better twist for the "no evac" thing would be that they don't evac some semi-important informant. Ward knows him from his past, but SHIELD lady doesn't care and wants her mission completed. Moral dilemma: do you follow the rules and let the informant die or do you do the right thing and try to save him? the cavalry comes to the rescue but discovers that the informant was playing a twisted game and betrayed SHIELD. Morale: it's ok to do the right thing for the wrong reason but: trust the system, we know what we are doing. yadda yadda.
Instead we should buy that somehow it's ok to sacrifice two lvl 7 agents because "everyone else is occupied". Oh wait, except the guys that do actually rescue them. Morale: SHIELD is evil, except for the selected few that happen to be on the plane. goddamnit.
I saw it more as "Exchange two agents for world peace" (since that thing could theoretically control all weapons from a distance), which does make sense. Of course, the ridiculous part is that the world is in danger in every episode, and it's always the same team saving the world. But, again, that's how these shows work.
On November 15 2013 00:31 Conti wrote: I saw it more as "Exchange two agents for world peace" (since that thing could theoretically control all weapons from a distance), which does make sense. Of course, the ridiculous part is that the world is in danger in every episode, and it's always the same team saving the world. But, again, that's how these shows work.
Unless there is more and we just don't see or hear about it. I think it'd be cool if they do a Shaun of the Dead moment where the two groups meet on two different missions or the same.
This series has almost nothing to do with the Marvel Universe. I mean come on you have so many characters and such a big range of characters to chose from and you barely use any of it ? I understand you don't want to use any of the big name Marvel character but give us something.
On November 17 2013 05:51 s3rp wrote: This series has almost nothing to do with the Marvel Universe. I mean come on you have so many characters and such a big range of characters to chose from and you barely use any of it ? I understand you don't want to use any of the big name Marvel character but give us something.
Nick Fury? I think I heard or read something about them adding a couple as quick cameos later.
On November 17 2013 05:51 s3rp wrote: This series has almost nothing to do with the Marvel Universe. I mean come on you have so many characters and such a big range of characters to chose from and you barely use any of it ? I understand you don't want to use any of the big name Marvel character but give us something.
Nick Fury? I think I heard or read something about them adding a couple as quick cameos later.
There was 1 so far and that was a funny cameo at the end of an Episode . During the actual series/storyline it just doesn't feel like it has anything to do with a universe with gazilion heros/villains etc. It's more like a fanfic or something .
On November 17 2013 05:51 s3rp wrote: This series has almost nothing to do with the Marvel Universe. I mean come on you have so many characters and such a big range of characters to chose from and you barely use any of it ? I understand you don't want to use any of the big name Marvel character but give us something.
You do know that the big name characters are played by big name actors who costs millions of dollars per appearance, right? And you know that neither Marvel nor the film studios would want to introduce any new big players on a simple TV show, right?
Any future films are most likely going to completely ignore the canon of the show, because the writers have to assume that nobody saw the show in the first place. And so the writers of the show make sure there will be no conflicts in the first place by creating their own characters that live in the show (and, with a bit of luck, might get a small unimportant cameo in the films).
On November 17 2013 05:51 s3rp wrote: This series has almost nothing to do with the Marvel Universe. I mean come on you have so many characters and such a big range of characters to chose from and you barely use any of it ? I understand you don't want to use any of the big name Marvel character but give us something.
You do know that the big name characters are played by big name actors who costs millions of dollars per appearance, right? And you know that neither Marvel nor the film studios would want to introduce any new big players on a simple TV show, right?
Any future films are most likely going to completely ignore the canon of the show, because the writers have to assume that nobody saw the show in the first place. And so the writers of the show make sure there will be no conflicts in the first place by creating their own characters that live in the show (and, with a bit of luck, might get a small unimportant cameo in the films).
You don't need to introduce big names/players. There are plenty of lesser characters in the Marvel Universe they could use within the storyline of the show. Right now though i'm not even sure the show really has an overarching storyline anyway which is kind of a problem.
On November 17 2013 05:51 s3rp wrote: This series has almost nothing to do with the Marvel Universe. I mean come on you have so many characters and such a big range of characters to chose from and you barely use any of it ? I understand you don't want to use any of the big name Marvel character but give us something.
You do know that the big name characters are played by big name actors who costs millions of dollars per appearance, right? And you know that neither Marvel nor the film studios would want to introduce any new big players on a simple TV show, right?
Any future films are most likely going to completely ignore the canon of the show, because the writers have to assume that nobody saw the show in the first place. And so the writers of the show make sure there will be no conflicts in the first place by creating their own characters that live in the show (and, with a bit of luck, might get a small unimportant cameo in the films).
You don't need to introduce big names/players. There are plenty of lesser characters in the Marvel Universe they could use within the storyline of the show. Right now though i'm not even sure the show really has an overarching storyline anyway which is kind of a problem.
there is at least the "rising tide" storyline which ties a lot into the "trust" vs. "secrecy" theme.
As minor lines there is also the thing about Coulson and how he survived that spear. Furthermore what happened to Melinda May, and to skye's parents + Show Spoiler +
On November 17 2013 05:51 s3rp wrote: This series has almost nothing to do with the Marvel Universe. I mean come on you have so many characters and such a big range of characters to chose from and you barely use any of it ? I understand you don't want to use any of the big name Marvel character but give us something.
You do know that the big name characters are played by big name actors who costs millions of dollars per appearance, right? And you know that neither Marvel nor the film studios would want to introduce any new big players on a simple TV show, right?
Any future films are most likely going to completely ignore the canon of the show, because the writers have to assume that nobody saw the show in the first place. And so the writers of the show make sure there will be no conflicts in the first place by creating their own characters that live in the show (and, with a bit of luck, might get a small unimportant cameo in the films).
You don't need to introduce big names/players. There are plenty of lesser characters in the Marvel Universe they could use within the storyline of the show. Right now though i'm not even sure the show really has an overarching storyline anyway which is kind of a problem.
They've already introduced one minor Marvel villain in the third episode.
On November 17 2013 05:51 s3rp wrote: This series has almost nothing to do with the Marvel Universe. I mean come on you have so many characters and such a big range of characters to chose from and you barely use any of it ? I understand you don't want to use any of the big name Marvel character but give us something.
You do know that the big name characters are played by big name actors who costs millions of dollars per appearance, right? And you know that neither Marvel nor the film studios would want to introduce any new big players on a simple TV show, right?
Any future films are most likely going to completely ignore the canon of the show, because the writers have to assume that nobody saw the show in the first place. And so the writers of the show make sure there will be no conflicts in the first place by creating their own characters that live in the show (and, with a bit of luck, might get a small unimportant cameo in the films).
You don't need to introduce big names/players. There are plenty of lesser characters in the Marvel Universe they could use within the storyline of the show. Right now though i'm not even sure the show really has an overarching storyline anyway which is kind of a problem.
They've already introduced one minor Marvel villain in the third episode.
Yeah and i hope they actually go back to that and not completely ignore it down the road and also do it more often. Which i'm not confident in with the way the show went so far. Too many episodes where barely anything interesting happens so far.
On November 17 2013 05:51 s3rp wrote: This series has almost nothing to do with the Marvel Universe. I mean come on you have so many characters and such a big range of characters to chose from and you barely use any of it ? I understand you don't want to use any of the big name Marvel character but give us something.
You do know that the big name characters are played by big name actors who costs millions of dollars per appearance, right? And you know that neither Marvel nor the film studios would want to introduce any new big players on a simple TV show, right?
Any future films are most likely going to completely ignore the canon of the show, because the writers have to assume that nobody saw the show in the first place. And so the writers of the show make sure there will be no conflicts in the first place by creating their own characters that live in the show (and, with a bit of luck, might get a small unimportant cameo in the films).
You don't need to introduce big names/players. There are plenty of lesser characters in the Marvel Universe they could use within the storyline of the show. Right now though i'm not even sure the show really has an overarching storyline anyway which is kind of a problem.
They've already introduced one minor Marvel villain in the third episode.
Yeah and i hope they actually go back to that and not completely ignore it down the road. Which i'm not confident in with the way the show went so far.
Then you don't know how Joss Whedon shows work. They've sown seed for future plots in pretty much every episode so far.
On November 17 2013 05:51 s3rp wrote: This series has almost nothing to do with the Marvel Universe. I mean come on you have so many characters and such a big range of characters to chose from and you barely use any of it ? I understand you don't want to use any of the big name Marvel character but give us something.
You do know that the big name characters are played by big name actors who costs millions of dollars per appearance, right? And you know that neither Marvel nor the film studios would want to introduce any new big players on a simple TV show, right?
Any future films are most likely going to completely ignore the canon of the show, because the writers have to assume that nobody saw the show in the first place. And so the writers of the show make sure there will be no conflicts in the first place by creating their own characters that live in the show (and, with a bit of luck, might get a small unimportant cameo in the films).
You don't need to introduce big names/players. There are plenty of lesser characters in the Marvel Universe they could use within the storyline of the show. Right now though i'm not even sure the show really has an overarching storyline anyway which is kind of a problem.
They've already introduced one minor Marvel villain in the third episode.
Yeah and i hope they actually go back to that and not completely ignore it down the road. Which i'm not confident in with the way the show went so far.
Then you don't know how Joss Whedon shows work. They've sown seed for future plots in pretty much every episode so far.
Just to be correct here, Joss Whedon is not the director of this show
On November 17 2013 05:51 s3rp wrote: This series has almost nothing to do with the Marvel Universe. I mean come on you have so many characters and such a big range of characters to chose from and you barely use any of it ? I understand you don't want to use any of the big name Marvel character but give us something.
You do know that the big name characters are played by big name actors who costs millions of dollars per appearance, right? And you know that neither Marvel nor the film studios would want to introduce any new big players on a simple TV show, right?
Any future films are most likely going to completely ignore the canon of the show, because the writers have to assume that nobody saw the show in the first place. And so the writers of the show make sure there will be no conflicts in the first place by creating their own characters that live in the show (and, with a bit of luck, might get a small unimportant cameo in the films).
You don't need to introduce big names/players. There are plenty of lesser characters in the Marvel Universe they could use within the storyline of the show. Right now though i'm not even sure the show really has an overarching storyline anyway which is kind of a problem.
They've already introduced one minor Marvel villain in the third episode.
Yeah and i hope they actually go back to that and not completely ignore it down the road. Which i'm not confident in with the way the show went so far.
Then you don't know how Joss Whedon shows work. They've sown seed for future plots in pretty much every episode so far.
The build-up is very slow for the big storylines which could become a problem with the audience though. How many episodes does a season have for the show ? Because there hasn't really happened much yet .
On November 17 2013 05:51 s3rp wrote: This series has almost nothing to do with the Marvel Universe. I mean come on you have so many characters and such a big range of characters to chose from and you barely use any of it ? I understand you don't want to use any of the big name Marvel character but give us something.
You do know that the big name characters are played by big name actors who costs millions of dollars per appearance, right? And you know that neither Marvel nor the film studios would want to introduce any new big players on a simple TV show, right?
Any future films are most likely going to completely ignore the canon of the show, because the writers have to assume that nobody saw the show in the first place. And so the writers of the show make sure there will be no conflicts in the first place by creating their own characters that live in the show (and, with a bit of luck, might get a small unimportant cameo in the films).
You don't need to introduce big names/players. There are plenty of lesser characters in the Marvel Universe they could use within the storyline of the show. Right now though i'm not even sure the show really has an overarching storyline anyway which is kind of a problem.
They've already introduced one minor Marvel villain in the third episode.
Yeah and i hope they actually go back to that and not completely ignore it down the road. Which i'm not confident in with the way the show went so far.
Then you don't know how Joss Whedon shows work. They've sown seed for future plots in pretty much every episode so far.
Just to be correct here, Joss Whedon is not the director of this show
He's the show's creator, and a show's creator usually only writes/directs one or two episodes per season. Just like he did for Firefly and Buffy.
On November 17 2013 05:51 s3rp wrote: This series has almost nothing to do with the Marvel Universe. I mean come on you have so many characters and such a big range of characters to chose from and you barely use any of it ? I understand you don't want to use any of the big name Marvel character but give us something.
You do know that the big name characters are played by big name actors who costs millions of dollars per appearance, right? And you know that neither Marvel nor the film studios would want to introduce any new big players on a simple TV show, right?
Any future films are most likely going to completely ignore the canon of the show, because the writers have to assume that nobody saw the show in the first place. And so the writers of the show make sure there will be no conflicts in the first place by creating their own characters that live in the show (and, with a bit of luck, might get a small unimportant cameo in the films).
You don't need to introduce big names/players. There are plenty of lesser characters in the Marvel Universe they could use within the storyline of the show. Right now though i'm not even sure the show really has an overarching storyline anyway which is kind of a problem.
They've already introduced one minor Marvel villain in the third episode.
Yeah and i hope they actually go back to that and not completely ignore it down the road. Which i'm not confident in with the way the show went so far.
Then you don't know how Joss Whedon shows work. They've sown seed for future plots in pretty much every episode so far.
The build-up is very slow for the big storylines which could become a problem with the audience though. How many episodes does a season have for the show ? Because there hasn't really happened much yet .
Yes, that's always a bit of a problem. His shows get cancelled before they become really good. Let's hope this isn't going to happen here.
On November 17 2013 05:51 s3rp wrote: This series has almost nothing to do with the Marvel Universe. I mean come on you have so many characters and such a big range of characters to chose from and you barely use any of it ? I understand you don't want to use any of the big name Marvel character but give us something.
You do know that the big name characters are played by big name actors who costs millions of dollars per appearance, right? And you know that neither Marvel nor the film studios would want to introduce any new big players on a simple TV show, right?
Any future films are most likely going to completely ignore the canon of the show, because the writers have to assume that nobody saw the show in the first place. And so the writers of the show make sure there will be no conflicts in the first place by creating their own characters that live in the show (and, with a bit of luck, might get a small unimportant cameo in the films).
You don't need to introduce big names/players. There are plenty of lesser characters in the Marvel Universe they could use within the storyline of the show. Right now though i'm not even sure the show really has an overarching storyline anyway which is kind of a problem.
They've already introduced one minor Marvel villain in the third episode.
Yeah and i hope they actually go back to that and not completely ignore it down the road. Which i'm not confident in with the way the show went so far.
Then you don't know how Joss Whedon shows work. They've sown seed for future plots in pretty much every episode so far.
Just to be correct here, Joss Whedon is not the director of this show
He's the show's creator, and a show's creator usually only writes/directs one or two episodes per season. Just like he did for Firefly and Buffy.
On November 17 2013 05:51 s3rp wrote: This series has almost nothing to do with the Marvel Universe. I mean come on you have so many characters and such a big range of characters to chose from and you barely use any of it ? I understand you don't want to use any of the big name Marvel character but give us something.
You do know that the big name characters are played by big name actors who costs millions of dollars per appearance, right? And you know that neither Marvel nor the film studios would want to introduce any new big players on a simple TV show, right?
Any future films are most likely going to completely ignore the canon of the show, because the writers have to assume that nobody saw the show in the first place. And so the writers of the show make sure there will be no conflicts in the first place by creating their own characters that live in the show (and, with a bit of luck, might get a small unimportant cameo in the films).
You don't need to introduce big names/players. There are plenty of lesser characters in the Marvel Universe they could use within the storyline of the show. Right now though i'm not even sure the show really has an overarching storyline anyway which is kind of a problem.
They've already introduced one minor Marvel villain in the third episode.
Yeah and i hope they actually go back to that and not completely ignore it down the road. Which i'm not confident in with the way the show went so far.
Then you don't know how Joss Whedon shows work. They've sown seed for future plots in pretty much every episode so far.
The build-up is very slow for the big storylines which could become a problem with the audience though. How many episodes does a season have for the show ? Because there hasn't really happened much yet .
Yes, that's always a bit of a problem. His shows get cancelled before they become really good. Let's hope this isn't going to happen here.
Eh, no. Not quite. He was the director of both Firefly and Buffy. Those where his shows. I'm not sure he's written or directed a single episode of Shield. Its his brother's work, Jed Whedon. You might say he probably has learned from Joss and the shows going to be similar of course, and Joss is credited as creator so he probably had some say in how it went about, but its not Joss's show.
On November 17 2013 05:51 s3rp wrote: This series has almost nothing to do with the Marvel Universe. I mean come on you have so many characters and such a big range of characters to chose from and you barely use any of it ? I understand you don't want to use any of the big name Marvel character but give us something.
You do know that the big name characters are played by big name actors who costs millions of dollars per appearance, right? And you know that neither Marvel nor the film studios would want to introduce any new big players on a simple TV show, right?
Any future films are most likely going to completely ignore the canon of the show, because the writers have to assume that nobody saw the show in the first place. And so the writers of the show make sure there will be no conflicts in the first place by creating their own characters that live in the show (and, with a bit of luck, might get a small unimportant cameo in the films).
You don't need to introduce big names/players. There are plenty of lesser characters in the Marvel Universe they could use within the storyline of the show. Right now though i'm not even sure the show really has an overarching storyline anyway which is kind of a problem.
They've already introduced one minor Marvel villain in the third episode.
Yeah and i hope they actually go back to that and not completely ignore it down the road. Which i'm not confident in with the way the show went so far.
Then you don't know how Joss Whedon shows work. They've sown seed for future plots in pretty much every episode so far.
Just to be correct here, Joss Whedon is not the director of this show
He's the show's creator, and a show's creator usually only writes/directs one or two episodes per season. Just like he did for Firefly and Buffy.
On November 17 2013 08:55 s3rp wrote:
On November 17 2013 08:52 Conti wrote:
On November 17 2013 08:50 s3rp wrote:
On November 17 2013 08:35 Conti wrote:
On November 17 2013 07:45 s3rp wrote:
On November 17 2013 07:16 Conti wrote:
On November 17 2013 05:51 s3rp wrote: This series has almost nothing to do with the Marvel Universe. I mean come on you have so many characters and such a big range of characters to chose from and you barely use any of it ? I understand you don't want to use any of the big name Marvel character but give us something.
You do know that the big name characters are played by big name actors who costs millions of dollars per appearance, right? And you know that neither Marvel nor the film studios would want to introduce any new big players on a simple TV show, right?
Any future films are most likely going to completely ignore the canon of the show, because the writers have to assume that nobody saw the show in the first place. And so the writers of the show make sure there will be no conflicts in the first place by creating their own characters that live in the show (and, with a bit of luck, might get a small unimportant cameo in the films).
You don't need to introduce big names/players. There are plenty of lesser characters in the Marvel Universe they could use within the storyline of the show. Right now though i'm not even sure the show really has an overarching storyline anyway which is kind of a problem.
They've already introduced one minor Marvel villain in the third episode.
Yeah and i hope they actually go back to that and not completely ignore it down the road. Which i'm not confident in with the way the show went so far.
Then you don't know how Joss Whedon shows work. They've sown seed for future plots in pretty much every episode so far.
The build-up is very slow for the big storylines which could become a problem with the audience though. How many episodes does a season have for the show ? Because there hasn't really happened much yet .
Yes, that's always a bit of a problem. His shows get cancelled before they become really good. Let's hope this isn't going to happen here.
Eh, no. Not quite. He was the director of both Firefly and Buffy. Those where his shows. I'm not sure he's written or directed a single episode of Shield. Its his brother's work, Jed Whedon. You might say he probably has learned from Joss and the shows going to be similar of course, and Joss is credited as creator so he probably had some say in how it went about, but its not Joss's show.
Joss Whedon directed three Firefly episodes, and about three Buffy episodes per season. So far, he has directed one Shield episode, and my guess is he'll direct one or two more. He has created all three shows, and serves/served as an executive producer for all three shows. It looks to me like his work and involvement on these shows is pretty equal so far.
On November 17 2013 05:51 s3rp wrote: This series has almost nothing to do with the Marvel Universe. I mean come on you have so many characters and such a big range of characters to chose from and you barely use any of it ? I understand you don't want to use any of the big name Marvel character but give us something.
You do know that the big name characters are played by big name actors who costs millions of dollars per appearance, right? And you know that neither Marvel nor the film studios would want to introduce any new big players on a simple TV show, right?
Any future films are most likely going to completely ignore the canon of the show, because the writers have to assume that nobody saw the show in the first place. And so the writers of the show make sure there will be no conflicts in the first place by creating their own characters that live in the show (and, with a bit of luck, might get a small unimportant cameo in the films).
You don't need to introduce big names/players. There are plenty of lesser characters in the Marvel Universe they could use within the storyline of the show. Right now though i'm not even sure the show really has an overarching storyline anyway which is kind of a problem.
They've already introduced one minor Marvel villain in the third episode.
Yeah and i hope they actually go back to that and not completely ignore it down the road. Which i'm not confident in with the way the show went so far.
Then you don't know how Joss Whedon shows work. They've sown seed for future plots in pretty much every episode so far.
Just to be correct here, Joss Whedon is not the director of this show
He's the show's creator, and a show's creator usually only writes/directs one or two episodes per season. Just like he did for Firefly and Buffy.
On November 17 2013 08:55 s3rp wrote:
On November 17 2013 08:52 Conti wrote:
On November 17 2013 08:50 s3rp wrote:
On November 17 2013 08:35 Conti wrote:
On November 17 2013 07:45 s3rp wrote:
On November 17 2013 07:16 Conti wrote:
On November 17 2013 05:51 s3rp wrote: This series has almost nothing to do with the Marvel Universe. I mean come on you have so many characters and such a big range of characters to chose from and you barely use any of it ? I understand you don't want to use any of the big name Marvel character but give us something.
You do know that the big name characters are played by big name actors who costs millions of dollars per appearance, right? And you know that neither Marvel nor the film studios would want to introduce any new big players on a simple TV show, right?
Any future films are most likely going to completely ignore the canon of the show, because the writers have to assume that nobody saw the show in the first place. And so the writers of the show make sure there will be no conflicts in the first place by creating their own characters that live in the show (and, with a bit of luck, might get a small unimportant cameo in the films).
You don't need to introduce big names/players. There are plenty of lesser characters in the Marvel Universe they could use within the storyline of the show. Right now though i'm not even sure the show really has an overarching storyline anyway which is kind of a problem.
They've already introduced one minor Marvel villain in the third episode.
Yeah and i hope they actually go back to that and not completely ignore it down the road. Which i'm not confident in with the way the show went so far.
Then you don't know how Joss Whedon shows work. They've sown seed for future plots in pretty much every episode so far.
The build-up is very slow for the big storylines which could become a problem with the audience though. How many episodes does a season have for the show ? Because there hasn't really happened much yet .
Yes, that's always a bit of a problem. His shows get cancelled before they become really good. Let's hope this isn't going to happen here.
Eh, no. Not quite. He was the director of both Firefly and Buffy. Those where his shows. I'm not sure he's written or directed a single episode of Shield. Its his brother's work, Jed Whedon. You might say he probably has learned from Joss and the shows going to be similar of course, and Joss is credited as creator so he probably had some say in how it went about, but its not Joss's show.
Joss Whedon directed three Firefly episodes, and about three Buffy episodes per season. So far, he has directed one Shield episode, and my guess is he'll direct one or two more. He has created all three shows, and serves/served as an executive producer for all three shows. It looks to me like his work and involvement on these shows is pretty equal so far.
Well, you know more about it then I do then. Just out of curiosity, which 3 episodes of Firefly did he direct?
On November 17 2013 07:16 Conti wrote: [quote] You do know that the big name characters are played by big name actors who costs millions of dollars per appearance, right? And you know that neither Marvel nor the film studios would want to introduce any new big players on a simple TV show, right?
Any future films are most likely going to completely ignore the canon of the show, because the writers have to assume that nobody saw the show in the first place. And so the writers of the show make sure there will be no conflicts in the first place by creating their own characters that live in the show (and, with a bit of luck, might get a small unimportant cameo in the films).
You don't need to introduce big names/players. There are plenty of lesser characters in the Marvel Universe they could use within the storyline of the show. Right now though i'm not even sure the show really has an overarching storyline anyway which is kind of a problem.
They've already introduced one minor Marvel villain in the third episode.
Yeah and i hope they actually go back to that and not completely ignore it down the road. Which i'm not confident in with the way the show went so far.
Then you don't know how Joss Whedon shows work. They've sown seed for future plots in pretty much every episode so far.
Just to be correct here, Joss Whedon is not the director of this show
He's the show's creator, and a show's creator usually only writes/directs one or two episodes per season. Just like he did for Firefly and Buffy.
On November 17 2013 08:55 s3rp wrote:
On November 17 2013 08:52 Conti wrote:
On November 17 2013 08:50 s3rp wrote:
On November 17 2013 08:35 Conti wrote:
On November 17 2013 07:45 s3rp wrote:
On November 17 2013 07:16 Conti wrote: [quote] You do know that the big name characters are played by big name actors who costs millions of dollars per appearance, right? And you know that neither Marvel nor the film studios would want to introduce any new big players on a simple TV show, right?
Any future films are most likely going to completely ignore the canon of the show, because the writers have to assume that nobody saw the show in the first place. And so the writers of the show make sure there will be no conflicts in the first place by creating their own characters that live in the show (and, with a bit of luck, might get a small unimportant cameo in the films).
You don't need to introduce big names/players. There are plenty of lesser characters in the Marvel Universe they could use within the storyline of the show. Right now though i'm not even sure the show really has an overarching storyline anyway which is kind of a problem.
They've already introduced one minor Marvel villain in the third episode.
Yeah and i hope they actually go back to that and not completely ignore it down the road. Which i'm not confident in with the way the show went so far.
Then you don't know how Joss Whedon shows work. They've sown seed for future plots in pretty much every episode so far.
The build-up is very slow for the big storylines which could become a problem with the audience though. How many episodes does a season have for the show ? Because there hasn't really happened much yet .
Yes, that's always a bit of a problem. His shows get cancelled before they become really good. Let's hope this isn't going to happen here.
Eh, no. Not quite. He was the director of both Firefly and Buffy. Those where his shows. I'm not sure he's written or directed a single episode of Shield. Its his brother's work, Jed Whedon. You might say he probably has learned from Joss and the shows going to be similar of course, and Joss is credited as creator so he probably had some say in how it went about, but its not Joss's show.
Joss Whedon directed three Firefly episodes, and about three Buffy episodes per season. So far, he has directed one Shield episode, and my guess is he'll direct one or two more. He has created all three shows, and serves/served as an executive producer for all three shows. It looks to me like his work and involvement on these shows is pretty equal so far.
Well, you know more about it then I do then. Just out of curiosity, which 3 episodes of Firefly did he direct?
Wikipedia is your friend. The first two and the last. Directing and/or writing the first and last episode of a season is pretty standard for the creator of a show. He directed the first episode of Shield, too, and I'd be surprised if he won't at least direct the last one of the season as well.
Being a show's creator and executive producer usually means it's your job telling the writers and directors what they should write and what their focus should be, as well as keeping track of the overall plot and direction of the show, not writing and directing everything yourself. The writers still answer to the show's creator, though, and if he doesn't like something, he'll tell them to rewrite the script. Doing it all yourself would simply be an insane amount of work that nobody could possibly do.
Unless you're J. Michael Straczynski, of course, who wrote almost every single episode of Babylon 5. Which explains why that show has such awesome and consistent writing.
From the Preview here arises one question . Why do they need to make people that obviosly are not supposed to be native english speakers ( be it Swedes or someone from Norway ) talk to each other in english with a thick accent . Either make them speak clean english or the language they're supposed to speak and subtitle it. This allways bothers me in TV shows , Movies and even Games.
That episode was supposed to reference the Thor movie? Didn't even know that before reading the above post. You won't know that from the episode alone, except Coulson keeps namedropping Thor.
Also, I loooooved the Dollhouse reference at the end. "Did I fall asleep?" - "For a little while." In the exact same confused/childish and reassuring/comforting tones.
That episode was supposed to reference the Thor movie? Didn't even know that before reading the above post. You won't know that from the episode alone, except Coulson keeps namedropping Thor.
Also, I loooooved the Dollhouse reference at the end. "Did I fall asleep?" - "For a little while." In the exact same confused/childish and reassuring/comforting tones.
You might not know if you hadn't seen the movie but if you have its obvious. They're cleaning up the remainders of the alien ship in Greenwich at the beginning of the show to start.
I liked the episode. Coulson's past keeps getting creepier o:
On November 19 2013 10:37 s3rp wrote: From the Preview here arises one question . Why do they need to make people that obviosly are not supposed to be native english speakers ( be it Swedes or someone from Norway ) talk to each other in english with a thick accent . Either make them speak clean english or the language they're supposed to speak and subtitle it. This allways bothers me in TV shows , Movies and even Games.
I stand by my thought that in the past three episodes the show has gotten a lot better, maybe what it should've been from the start. It's still nowhere near it's potential, though, especially due to the lack of ties to the greater Marvel universe. I get that they want to establish their own little team and not have guest heroes every episode, but they could at least throw in some Z-list villains at the team.
I stand by my thought that in the past three episodes the show has gotten a lot better, maybe what it should've been from the start. It's still nowhere near it's potential, though, especially due to the lack of ties to the greater Marvel universe. I get that they want to establish their own little team and not have guest heroes every episode, but they could at least throw in some Z-list villains at the team.
I wholeheartedly agree if it wasn't named Marvel you most of the time wouldn't know that it has anything to do with the universe. Though i don't know how much they can implement considering they're kinda limited to the Avegenger/S.H.I.E.L.D stuff with big parts of the whole Marvel universe not included.
That's it. I no longer care about this show. Again and again it is just a sliver of what it actually could be. Turning into fucking Spy Kids the tv series.
It's kind of sad how well the last episode worked... Given that it was 70% Peter MacNicol outacting what looks like an amateur cast in comparison and 30% testimony to the fact that Marvel universe is intriguing because of superpowers, it was almost a showcase of the shortcomings of the other episodes.
On November 21 2013 23:32 pyrogenetix wrote: That's it. I no longer care about this show. Again and again it is just a sliver of what it actually could be. Turning into fucking Spy Kids the tv series.
Well you can't please everyone.
I'm enjoying it and have been. Its even gotten much better as of late. And I disagree with the whole spy kids thing, but again there's no pleasing some people
ABC and Marvel Entertainment have revealed details for "The Bridge," the 10th episode of "Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D." which will be the first half of the show's first two-part episode and will also feature the return of J. August Richard's Mike Peterson.
"In a shocking cliffhanger episode," the official synopsis reads, "Coulson takes the war back to Centipede, and this time he brings in Mike Peterson for some super-soldier support. As they get closer to the truth, startling secrets are revealed and an unexpected twist threatens the team."
Wait, so they give us one episode just to tell us to wait till March for the rest? Who handles the scheduling over at ABC? Because they need to be fired. How do they expect to keep viewers interested? Lets squander all the potential our show has by chopping it apart till it breaks? Is that the general idea?
Yeah, I just glanced at the episode listing on wikipedia. Why would you just randomly put a month between episodes? It's quite retarded. I thought 13 was the last episode then at the end I was a bit annoyed.
On February 08 2014 21:58 Doppelganger wrote: Wait, so they give us one episode just to tell us to wait till March for the rest? Who handles the scheduling over at ABC? Because they need to be fired.
You can thank the Olympics for that and said person is not going to be fired.
On February 08 2014 21:58 Doppelganger wrote: Wait, so they give us one episode just to tell us to wait till March for the rest? Who handles the scheduling over at ABC? Because they need to be fired.
You can thank the Olympics for that and said person is not going to be fired.
Off course he is not but the Olympics don't just drop from the sky. And if there hadn't been breaks in December AND January I wouldn't complain at all. But right now I am a little bit annoyed.
I was not reminded of the Train Job. But now that you mention it: a little I guess.
I am. The blue guy was interesting. I read some guesses on IMDB forums, they say it might be a Kree, a Frost Giant or an original Human Torch (which was some kind of android whose blood had regenerative effects; and he was used to create Vision which is connected with Ultron who is supposed to be the Big Bad for Avengers 2)
I was hoping it was Coulson's original body in a near unrecognizable state due to the genetic experimentation that had to do to get that drug. Then that opens the possibility of ALL of Coulson's memories being forgeries, including a forgery of making a forgery of Tahiti. Now THAT would be a real mindfuck.
On March 06 2014 19:30 -Archangel- wrote: I am. The blue guy was interesting. I read some guesses on IMDB forums, they say it might be a Kree, a Frost Giant or an original Human Torch (which was some kind of android whose blood had regenerative effects; and he was used to create Vision which is connected with Ultron who is supposed to be the Big Bad for Avengers 2)
Highly doubt they'll use Agents of Shield as the first arena for anything related to Avengers 2. The Avengers movies are the absolute cream of the crop of the Marvel Universe and AoS is right now the bottom of the barrel, as far as viewership and budget go. It does not make sense to let the few million tv viewers get the first piece of anything as major as an important plotline for Avengers 2.
On March 06 2014 19:30 -Archangel- wrote: I am. The blue guy was interesting. I read some guesses on IMDB forums, they say it might be a Kree, a Frost Giant or an original Human Torch (which was some kind of android whose blood had regenerative effects; and he was used to create Vision which is connected with Ultron who is supposed to be the Big Bad for Avengers 2)
Highly doubt they'll use Agents of Shield as the first arena for anything related to Avengers 2. The Avengers movies are the absolute cream of the crop of the Marvel Universe and AoS is right now the bottom of the barrel, as far as viewership and budget go. It does not make sense to let the few million tv viewers get the first piece of anything as major as an important plotline for Avengers 2.
On the other hand, both Avengers and this show were made by the same guy.
Most likely, we'll get some backstory that will be largely irrelevant to the film, but will be a nice-to-know for the fans. Probably the backstory of some minor villain in the film who just shows up to get beaten up, who will be a major villain in the show, or something along those lines.
I'm also quite curious what that blue guy was. And why Coulson is so important to fury that he works with these guys. My first guess was that it was a chitauri since they must be some sort of "supersoldier" if they are used by Loki. But the timing doesn't add up. "the guesthouse" seems like a well established place.
Considering that The Vision already has an actor in Avengers 2, I'm guessing it was probably a different type of alien, probably Kree since they have been known to have blue skin. Definitely not a Skrull (though how cool would they be?)
If we're gonna start seeing aliens, what if the Clairvoyant is a Watcher?
On March 07 2014 02:25 SigmaoctanusIV wrote: So do X-men/mutants no exist in this Universe? I imagine that since Sony owns the X-men brand they might not have any mutants in the series???
Marvel studios isn't allowed to use any mutants or X-Men while Sony holds the rights. Even Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver in the new movie will have different backgrounds and reasons for their powers.
I liked this show when everyone hated it and now it's just getting more awesome! Marvel uprising is going to be sick city tying into the captain america movie. Can't wait till next week for the lady sif cameo!
On March 07 2014 00:26 Requizen wrote: Considering that The Vision already has an actor in Avengers 2, I'm guessing it was probably a different type of alien, probably Kree since they have been known to have blue skin. Definitely not a Skrull (though how cool would they be?)
If we're gonna start seeing aliens, what if the Clairvoyant is a Watcher?
hu since I didn't read any of the comics I actually have no idea what that blue thing could be. must be more fun guessing if you got more knowledge to it.
Is anyone else having suspicions that the clairvoyant is someone leaking information from the inside? I don't have expansive knowledge of the marvel universe so it could be something else that I don't know of.
On March 07 2014 03:33 Tennet wrote: Is anyone else having suspicions that the clairvoyant is someone leaking information from the inside? I don't have expansive knowledge of the marvel universe so it could be something else that I don't know of.
While that's possible, he's also had insight into non-SHIELD related matters.
On March 07 2014 03:33 Tennet wrote: Is anyone else having suspicions that the clairvoyant is someone leaking information from the inside? I don't have expansive knowledge of the marvel universe so it could be something else that I don't know of.
Well I haven't read the comics or anything, but just reading some bits here and there, the next captain america movie is all about corruption within shield and the marvel series is tying into it already by planting the seeds of shield corruption before the captain america movie comes out.
I hope the clairvoyant isn't a shield insider, I feel like they use that angle way too much in this show. I love the hell out of it, but I always just assume that whoever new they meet in an episode is a traitor. It turns out to be true way too often.
Edit: I may cry if it's the bitchy command of operations chick from the factory infiltration episodes.
On March 07 2014 02:25 SigmaoctanusIV wrote: So do X-men/mutants no exist in this Universe? I imagine that since Sony owns the X-men brand they might not have any mutants in the series???
Marvel studios isn't allowed to use any mutants or X-Men while Sony holds the rights. Even Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver in the new movie will have different backgrounds and reasons for their powers.
On March 07 2014 02:25 SigmaoctanusIV wrote: So do X-men/mutants no exist in this Universe? I imagine that since Sony owns the X-men brand they might not have any mutants in the series???
Marvel studios isn't allowed to use any mutants or X-Men while Sony holds the rights. Even Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver in the new movie will have different backgrounds and reasons for their powers.
Fox guys... Fox owns X-men. Sony owns Spiderman.
Well whatever, it hardly matters since it amounts to the same thing.
Man this show finally starts improving and we stop talking about it on tl. At leas this one won't get weeden jinxed by starting to get really good and falling apart.
1) Find out that blood of blue alien can cure death 2) Run into friendly, cooperative alien, all too willing to give helpful information 3) Ask friendly alien about blue aliens 4) They turn out to be font of information 5) Fail to ask if any have magical regenerative properties 6) Further fail to ask if the blood of said aliens might have adverse effects 7) Hell, even fail to ask whether blue aliens are friend or foe 8) Strike out on own mission with least qualified member of team just to find out information the friendly alien could have easily given.
Coulson logic.
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Seriously though, I get why she wouldn't want to share technology. But telling us about what else is out there, and if it's out to get us? At least asking wouldn't have hurt...
He might not have wanted her to know, as if he started asking specific questions she would wonder why. Plus it might even be obvious if he asked about regen properties given that they all thought he was dead but is somehow not.
On March 07 2014 02:25 SigmaoctanusIV wrote: So do X-men/mutants no exist in this Universe? I imagine that since Sony owns the X-men brand they might not have any mutants in the series???
omg that would explain why their "list" has like no one on it...like they kept saying their list was short, when like in x-men first class xavier finds millions of them everywhere, definitely more than a few would slip up or even know to hide and control their powers before shield finds them. I was so confused when they found the pyro guy, like shouldnt they have alot of training with how to deal with all the other mutants they've come across. (or like in this cartoon series ive been watching on tv, i think its meant for kids but its basically how there are bunch of shield super prison cells for powerful villains and such and it breaks up w/e) i guess thought shield would be better equiped to deal with super villains (give how in the avengers nick fury really wanted some weapon to give them a chance vs the bad guys without relying on super heros)
Also after watching my theory of coulson is bust i thought he might have been a clone lol the blue alien is sooo cool btw, do u guys know of any forums where they talk about the blue alien, link please thxs
On March 21 2014 20:36 Nekovivie wrote: He might not have wanted her to know, as if he started asking specific questions she would wonder why. Plus it might even be obvious if he asked about regen properties given that they all thought he was dead but is somehow not.
But why not want her to know? She seemed pretty game/uninterested. Pass it off as medical interest if there's any tension.
On April 09 2014 11:07 Jaaaaasper wrote: Someone told me that the next episode may have spoilers for the new Captain America movie, so be aware of that before watching.
Can confirm, does have multiple Captain America: The Winter Soldier spoilers.
Edit: Fantastic episode, by the way. This show is really starting to become the show I always thought it should've been. I really hope people who stopped watching give it a second chance.
Yeah, I haven't seen the movie, but damn that episode was good. I like how they have made the violence sort of more nonchalant, and realistic, I guess.
I don't think the new season started already. The latest episode should be S01E17. I really like the show from the beginning, it started in a slower pace with some small missions for the Coulson team, but now towards the end of season 1, the plot is getting thicker. + Show Spoiler +
Holy shit i was surprised by Agent Ward being part of the Hydra. Afterall i could have expected something like that but i just didn't. I am looking forward to what happens next.
On April 10 2014 20:11 Ricjames wrote: I don't think the new season started already. The latest episode should be S01E17. I really like the show from the beginning, it started in a slower pace with some small missions for the Coulson team, but now towards the end of season 1, the plot is getting thicker. + Show Spoiler +
Holy shit i was surprised by Agent Ward being part of the Hydra. Afterall i could have expected something like that but i just didn't. I am looking forward to what happens next.
On April 10 2014 20:11 Ricjames wrote: I don't think the new season started already. The latest episode should be S01E17. I really like the show from the beginning, it started in a slower pace with some small missions for the Coulson team, but now towards the end of season 1, the plot is getting thicker. + Show Spoiler +
Holy shit i was surprised by Agent Ward being part of the Hydra. Afterall i could have expected something like that but i just didn't. I am looking forward to what happens next.
On April 10 2014 20:11 Ricjames wrote: I don't think the new season started already. The latest episode should be S01E17. I really like the show from the beginning, it started in a slower pace with some small missions for the Coulson team, but now towards the end of season 1, the plot is getting thicker. + Show Spoiler +
Holy shit i was surprised by Agent Ward being part of the Hydra. Afterall i could have expected something like that but i just didn't. I am looking forward to what happens next.
On April 10 2014 20:11 Ricjames wrote: I don't think the new season started already. The latest episode should be S01E17. I really like the show from the beginning, it started in a slower pace with some small missions for the Coulson team, but now towards the end of season 1, the plot is getting thicker. + Show Spoiler +
Holy shit i was surprised by Agent Ward being part of the Hydra. Afterall i could have expected something like that but i just didn't. I am looking forward to what happens next.
What if he didn't kill them and they faked their death? Using the non-lethal weapons they were talking about all episode long along with some artificial blood?
On April 10 2014 20:11 Ricjames wrote: I don't think the new season started already. The latest episode should be S01E17. I really like the show from the beginning, it started in a slower pace with some small missions for the Coulson team, but now towards the end of season 1, the plot is getting thicker. + Show Spoiler +
Holy shit i was surprised by Agent Ward being part of the Hydra. Afterall i could have expected something like that but i just didn't. I am looking forward to what happens next.
What if he didn't kill them and they faked their death? Using the non-lethal weapons they were talking about all episode long along with some artificial blood?
On April 10 2014 20:11 Ricjames wrote: I don't think the new season started already. The latest episode should be S01E17. I really like the show from the beginning, it started in a slower pace with some small missions for the Coulson team, but now towards the end of season 1, the plot is getting thicker. + Show Spoiler +
Holy shit i was surprised by Agent Ward being part of the Hydra. Afterall i could have expected something like that but i just didn't. I am looking forward to what happens next.
What if he didn't kill them and they faked their death? Using the non-lethal weapons they were talking about all episode long along with some artificial blood?
If I wanted to sell something like that I'd make it look as brutal and hard to fake as possible. And things like that have been done with out getting into the semi scifi semi magic stuff that marvelverse has
On April 10 2014 20:11 Ricjames wrote: I don't think the new season started already. The latest episode should be S01E17. I really like the show from the beginning, it started in a slower pace with some small missions for the Coulson team, but now towards the end of season 1, the plot is getting thicker. + Show Spoiler +
Holy shit i was surprised by Agent Ward being part of the Hydra. Afterall i could have expected something like that but i just didn't. I am looking forward to what happens next.
What if he didn't kill them and they faked their death? Using the non-lethal weapons they were talking about all episode long along with some artificial blood?
If I wanted to sell something like that I'd make it look as brutal and hard to fake as possible. And things like that have been done with out getting into the semi scifi semi magic stuff that marvelverse has
Not when the guy you are trying to bluff is 1 m away and can check the bodies afterwards. And it is a small chance Ward could just switch sides, all Hydra agents were that before the whole thing started. Even if he was new, he would have been recruited before story of Cpt America movie started
On April 10 2014 20:11 Ricjames wrote: I don't think the new season started already. The latest episode should be S01E17. I really like the show from the beginning, it started in a slower pace with some small missions for the Coulson team, but now towards the end of season 1, the plot is getting thicker. + Show Spoiler +
Holy shit i was surprised by Agent Ward being part of the Hydra. Afterall i could have expected something like that but i just didn't. I am looking forward to what happens next.
What if he didn't kill them and they faked their death? Using the non-lethal weapons they were talking about all episode long along with some artificial blood?
If I wanted to sell something like that I'd make it look as brutal and hard to fake as possible. And things like that have been done with out getting into the semi scifi semi magic stuff that marvelverse has
Not when the guy you are trying to bluff is 1 m away and can check the bodies afterwards. And it is a small chance Ward could just switch sides, all Hydra agents were that before the whole thing started. Even if he was new, he would have been recruited before story of Cpt America movie started
Nah, I think it's real. You think an experienced agent wouldn't be able to tell a fake corpse from a real one? They might just dump the bodies out of the plane anyway.
If he turns out to be a triple agent it'll be a stretch. What would be the point now?
Also I think we can take this out of spoilers, it's almost been a week on this episode.
On April 10 2014 20:11 Ricjames wrote: I don't think the new season started already. The latest episode should be S01E17. I really like the show from the beginning, it started in a slower pace with some small missions for the Coulson team, but now towards the end of season 1, the plot is getting thicker. + Show Spoiler +
Holy shit i was surprised by Agent Ward being part of the Hydra. Afterall i could have expected something like that but i just didn't. I am looking forward to what happens next.
What if he didn't kill them and they faked their death? Using the non-lethal weapons they were talking about all episode long along with some artificial blood?
If I wanted to sell something like that I'd make it look as brutal and hard to fake as possible. And things like that have been done with out getting into the semi scifi semi magic stuff that marvelverse has
Not when the guy you are trying to bluff is 1 m away and can check the bodies afterwards. And it is a small chance Ward could just switch sides, all Hydra agents were that before the whole thing started. Even if he was new, he would have been recruited before story of Cpt America movie started
Nah, I think it's real. You think an experienced agent wouldn't be able to tell a fake corpse from a real one? They might just dump the bodies out of the plane anyway.
If he turns out to be a triple agent it'll be a stretch. What would be the point now?
Also I think we can take this out of spoilers, it's almost been a week on this episode.
I would dislike his character even more than I already do (and did, even before the switch) if they made him a triple agent. Would be ok if they killed him off in a blaze of glory after his reveal, though.
Even though it doesn't make that much sense to me, I really think he's a double agent and still a good guy. Which would be the most boring thing to do here, but my gut says that's what'll happen.
On April 12 2014 01:50 Numy wrote: Nah sounds like they setting up the classic redemption story.
Yeah, we'll probably end up in the final fight and he'll realize he loves Skye more than Hydra and then turn for one last moment before dying... But it would be awesome if he just ended up being a bad guy. Maybe even turn into one of the many Hydra agents/leaders from the comics.
On April 10 2014 20:11 Ricjames wrote: I don't think the new season started already. The latest episode should be S01E17. I really like the show from the beginning, it started in a slower pace with some small missions for the Coulson team, but now towards the end of season 1, the plot is getting thicker. + Show Spoiler +
Holy shit i was surprised by Agent Ward being part of the Hydra. Afterall i could have expected something like that but i just didn't. I am looking forward to what happens next.
What if he didn't kill them and they faked their death? Using the non-lethal weapons they were talking about all episode long along with some artificial blood?
If I wanted to sell something like that I'd make it look as brutal and hard to fake as possible. And things like that have been done with out getting into the semi scifi semi magic stuff that marvelverse has
Not when the guy you are trying to bluff is 1 m away and can check the bodies afterwards. And it is a small chance Ward could just switch sides, all Hydra agents were that before the whole thing started. Even if he was new, he would have been recruited before story of Cpt America movie started
Nah, I think it's real. You think an experienced agent wouldn't be able to tell a fake corpse from a real one? They might just dump the bodies out of the plane anyway.
If he turns out to be a triple agent it'll be a stretch. What would be the point now?
Also I think we can take this out of spoilers, it's almost been a week on this episode.
On April 10 2014 20:11 Ricjames wrote: I don't think the new season started already. The latest episode should be S01E17. I really like the show from the beginning, it started in a slower pace with some small missions for the Coulson team, but now towards the end of season 1, the plot is getting thicker. + Show Spoiler +
Holy shit i was surprised by Agent Ward being part of the Hydra. Afterall i could have expected something like that but i just didn't. I am looking forward to what happens next.
What if he didn't kill them and they faked their death? Using the non-lethal weapons they were talking about all episode long along with some artificial blood?
If I wanted to sell something like that I'd make it look as brutal and hard to fake as possible. And things like that have been done with out getting into the semi scifi semi magic stuff that marvelverse has
Not when the guy you are trying to bluff is 1 m away and can check the bodies afterwards. And it is a small chance Ward could just switch sides, all Hydra agents were that before the whole thing started. Even if he was new, he would have been recruited before story of Cpt America movie started
Nah, I think it's real. You think an experienced agent wouldn't be able to tell a fake corpse from a real one? They might just dump the bodies out of the plane anyway.
If he turns out to be a triple agent it'll be a stretch. What would be the point now?
Also I think we can take this out of spoilers, it's almost been a week on this episode.
I never bought him switching sides for a moment. He just seems too onedimensional for me to do that And his affair with May also ended somewhat unexciting. (And I was soo hoping they wouldn't pair him with Skye, just to fuck with expectations.) And the "how" also doesn't seem that hard. I mean, they had trains "vanishing" before their eyes and all other kind of "psycho" stuff. But lastly I'm not sure why everyone jumps the train of "we got the clairvoyant"? I mean the clairvoyant needs to do some heavy organizing and surveilling stuff. I'm not sure a field agents whose job is to jump through windows can be undisturbed all at the right times?!
Think there is a trend in Joss Whedon shows as soon as people fall in love/ start showing emotion interest their character take a turn for the worst. I fear for Ward's health
On April 14 2014 14:09 SigmaoctanusIV wrote: Think there is a trend in Joss Whedon shows as soon as people fall in love/ start showing emotion interest their character take a turn for the worst. I fear for Ward's health
TV show about a spy agency. If Ward as a bad guy is poorly received they rewrite the story to make him a triple agent and everyone knew it all along that's why they didn't shoot to kill or whatever.
But thats not gonna happen because Ward as the bad guy is awesome and makes for a way more character invested story!
On April 14 2014 04:31 Millitron wrote: I just want to say I hate the commercials for this.
My family hadn't seen Avengers yet, but they already knew + Show Spoiler +
Phil Caulson didn't die
because they came right out and said it in the commercials. Kinda ruined a big moment in the movie for them.
I'm surprised you even watch a tv-show within a year of airing. How dumb must you be to do that?
I don't watch the show. Neither does my family. The commercials spoiled it.
Why do you even reply in this thread... honestly. I can't understand why you would bitch and whine about something that is a big DUH! Besides, if you haven't seen the Avengers yet, how would you even know Coulson supposedly "die", but ends up not being dead? But let me make it even worse for you. The Avengers, they win! :O And there is this big scene where the Hulk smashes a puny "god". You ought to see that scene.
Holy shit, I stopped watching the show after the first 5-6 episodes and now picked it up again. It became freaking amazing! I love how they connected it with the Captain America movie and E17 just blew my mind. Great stuff.
I keep thinking how they could fuck up Ward's story by making him a triple agent who worked under Coulson's orders all this time, but there's no way in hell that Coulson would condone outright murder. Soo.. Ward really is a Hydra. And now I can't wait until the next week. Great job, Whedon, you've done it again.
I think the first handful of episodes were just too light hearted. It was all about teamwork, they used "Night Night" guns, it was always humorous, etc. But now that shit has gotten serious, this is one of my must-watches as it airs.
Ever since the Captain America: Winter Soldier tie-in the episodes have gotten fantastic, and not just good for comic book fans. I'd say the breakdown is something like:
Episodes 1-5 were meh. Episodes 6-16 slowly got better. Episodes 17 onwards are awesome.
All I hope is that Ward doesn't suddenly discover his love for Skye and go back to being a good guy for SHIELD. That is just super cheesy and such a cop-out. Ward being a bad guy was probably the best twist/reveal in the entire show and fucking that up will fuck up the show.
All I hope is that Ward doesn't suddenly discover his love for Skye and go back to being a good guy for SHIELD. That is just super cheesy and such a cop-out. Ward being a bad guy was probably the best twist/reveal in the entire show and fucking that up will fuck up the show.
He has personally murdered four(?) SHIELD agents, so I don't think there's a chance in hell of him going back to being a SHIELD agent. Though a still cheesy Heroic Sacrifice might be coming.
Yep, looking forward to Maria Hill's appearance. IMO there's no chance there will be a "im actually a good guy deep inside" routine coming out from Ward. The only exception of course, is a sacrifice to save skye.
The series has gotten a hell lot more better since Captain America's movie was released.
May: What are you doing? We have to go. Mother: 500 miles. May: What? Mother: 500 miles, and I don't even get a "thank you." May: I was just about to ... Mother: It's too late. May: ...thank you. Mother: I said too late. You can call anybody you like. Why me? May: I needed someone I can trust. Mother: That bad, huh? May: Did you get it? Mother: I may be retired, but I still have contacts. And my agency hasn't fallen apart. You're not the only one looking, you know. She won't be hard to find. May: I know. Mother: You're not gonna take her out, are you? May: No, Mom. I just want to talk. Mother: Good. I've always liked Maria.
All I hope is that Ward doesn't suddenly discover his love for Skye and go back to being a good guy for SHIELD. That is just super cheesy and such a cop-out. Ward being a bad guy was probably the best twist/reveal in the entire show and fucking that up will fuck up the show.
He has personally murdered four(?) SHIELD agents, so I don't think there's a chance in hell of him going back to being a SHIELD agent. Though a still cheesy Heroic Sacrifice might be coming.
I'm counting three in the plane, two in the elevator and now the guy in the latest episode.
then there are the pilot(s) and an unknown number of additional guards in The Fridge.
I'm actually impressed how the show improved during the last episodes just through the ward twist. I mean it's not the most original story but it is done really well.
no we don't know that yet. And I doubt, we will get to know this this season.
Did they already announce a second season or is this still up in the air? couldn't find anything new.
I have mixed feelings for this episode. Maybe the actors or the script weren't up to it, but the scenes in the cafe seemed odd, like both actors knew what was going to happen, and couldn't transport the cat-and-mouse play that would have been warranted. Also clues in the coffin are ultra cheesy.
On the other hand I liked the continuous danger driving the plot. I totally didn't expect them that they'd lose their new base so quickly. Too bad Maria didn't stay longer
FUCK this show was just starting to get good, this episode was looking to be absolutely amazing
And then a top secret level 10 uber classified file is in a public coffin with the person it would be most associated with?
And then...Skye breaks...because she doesn't want to watch someone who backstabbed the fuck out of her and continuously played/lied to her die? What? Like actually, what the fuck? The past 2 episodes built up to that moment and then....derp. That was retarded.
On May 01 2014 22:41 Complete wrote: FUCK this show was just starting to get good, this episode was looking to be absolutely amazing
And then a top secret level 10 uber classified file is in a public coffin with the person it would be most associated with?
And then...Skye breaks...because she doesn't want to watch someone who backstabbed the fuck out of her and continuously played/lied to her die? What? Like actually, what the fuck? The past 2 episodes built up to that moment and then....derp. That was retarded.
I actually find it pretty convincing that Skye did what she did. It was her first and probably only opportunity to get away from Ward. She was in a public place, with law enforcers (albeit pretty n00bs compared to a freaking SHIELD agent) nearby. Having to wait for people who could actually take on Ward, was not really an option. And she had no idea Gunn was waiting/looking after them outside.
I do however agree on the whole 'top-10' classified file just sitting there in the most obvious place in the world. Maybe not because people would look for the specific file there, but yeah, maybe somebody would want to check up on the whole death of Coulson thing. Hell, Tony Stark should have been more sceptic about it.
I didn't mean the whole turning him in to the police thing.
I mean when Deathlock (that might not be his name I'm spacing out on the name atm) shot Ward with the heart-stop-electro-thingy...she just told them. everything. what? Your enemy just hurt/killed your enemy so you...give them what they want?
On May 01 2014 23:06 Complete wrote: I didn't mean the whole turning him in to the police thing.
I mean when Deathlock (that might not be his name I'm spacing out on the name atm) shot Ward with the heart-stop-electro-thingy...she just told them. everything. what? Your enemy just hurt/killed your enemy so you...give them what they want?
That's why i called him Gunn. He'll always be Angel's sidekick to me
And yeah, that was pretty dumb. If she was so convinced he is a nazi and whatnot, she should have let him die. Then again; this is the more believable way to go; she can't just kill him like that. She's not a killer (yet)
PS: I give Ward like a 5% chance of surviving the season finale his character went from badass cool dude to full on retard and almost certainly expendable during this episode.
They really seem to be setting him up for redemption -.-
I hope he goes out like a bad guy. I hope he shoots Skye and she friggin Hulks out and rips him in half with her 084 powers or something. Because if I have to see another really good face-heel turn arc ruined by "oh, I'm a bad guy but I'm going to turn on my masters because of LOOOVE", I'm going to scream.
If they give Ward redemption, I hope it is at least fueled by him realizing how much of an idiot he is rather than love.. But honestly, I'd rather see him die or become more villainous. Right now he seems to be all "I owe Garret so much, blah blah blah.." which, to me, makes him whiny and delusional.
I don't see how they could give him redemption and still remain part of the team in the next season. No way would you trust somebody like that again in such an important role/teammember position.
Right now I'd prefer it if Triplett replaced Ward next season. I would hate it for Ward to be let back on the team after killing so many SHIELD agents (especially if Triplett ends up dying this season, too). If nothing else, at least let Ward die a villain instead of being redeemed.
Wards a dead man. Trip is his replacement for season 2. That said I think Ward is gonna die saving Skye somehow. I just don't see them letting May or Coulson do the killing.
As for Skye using the LAPD to try and arrest Ward it makes sense. She has no shield training. Everything she's learned is purely in the field. Shes in a position with a wanted terrorist so naturally she should call the police. Shield is dead so thats a no go and I doubt she knows how to contact the NSA/CIA. FBI would have been the other logical choice as the situation shes in would have protocol and rules that would be taught at the academy or something I'd assume
I would like to see Ward bad a little while longer, He hasn't been bad enough for his redemption to mean anything to the viewers. We got to shield back up and running by the time Avengers 2 comes around so I am thinking that is where the next season will be heading.
i personally don't hate ward as much as most here. i feel the season has set ward up to show there's humanity left in him. the next episode premiere is attempting to portray his background which serves no other purpose than to either truly solidify that he's a sick fuck that can't change or that he's been confused and misled his entire life.
there's what 1 or 2 episodes left? i mean thinking about it logically, there's literally nothing shield agents can do with what they currently have to work with. the only way they're getting out of this one is if ward betrays garret which he will, and create an opening for shield to infiltrate garret's base. i'm sure the catalyst to the betrayal lies in the fail-safe garret used against ward (the heart stopper tech). it won't bode well for ward having known there was a possibility he couldn't be trusted to accomplish the mission by the man he pledged his undying loyalty to.
for a man like garret to even hint at the possibility of prioritizing the mission over the loyalty of his double agent and the fact one can't be trusted, is going to break ward mentally. odds are in wards favor he'll be saved, i doubt he ever experienced acceptance into a "family" and "real love" before joining shield which will be his salvation.
The idea of redemption for Ward is ridiculous. He killed 2+++ cops alone this episode. He's killed 6++ shield agents. There's absolutely no way he's accepted back in to the team.
The way I see it, Ward will kill Garrett but won't die this season. He'll be a recurring neutral character and will slowly try to redeem himself. He will die in the series finale.
In breaking news, “Marvel’s Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.” has been renewed by ABC for a second season to begin in Fall 2014 while “Marvel’s Agent Carter” has been picked up to series to debut on ABC.
Nice to see it renewed. One of my favourite tv shows and I loved it even from the start. Since cap movie, it's only gotten better! Also, skye is the best! I will fight any skye hater here!
On May 09 2014 18:57 Complete wrote: So who's Agent Carter? Is the TV show taking place in present time in conjunction with AoSHIELD or what?
She is the girlfriend of Cpt America and one of the founders of SHIELD. The show will probably pick up soon after first Cpt America movie when he disappeared after taking down Hydra.
On May 09 2014 18:57 Complete wrote: So who's Agent Carter? Is the TV show taking place in present time in conjunction with AoSHIELD or what?
She is the girlfriend of Cpt America and one of the founders of SHIELD. The show will probably pick up soon after first Cpt America movie when he disappeared after taking down Hydra.
So who else thinks this last episode is setting us up for Ward's redemption, despite tossing FitchSimmons out of an airplane? At the very least all that young Ward stuff was setup for a tragi-heroic death.
I think it would really duck if they do go that way, rather than keeping him as a bad guy for next season, or putting him down like the scum he is.
no matter how good the end of this season has been, I'm 100% not watching season 2 if Ward got redeemed (and lives). It wouldn't make any sense, at all.
B-b-b-but he still has good in him! And weakness! They better not let him live if he gets redeemed..sadly it seems they really want to go the redeemed route.. We'll find out tuesday!
On May 10 2014 12:09 Acrofales wrote: So who else thinks this last episode is setting us up for Ward's redemption, despite tossing FitchSimmons out of an airplane? At the very least all that young Ward stuff was setup for a tragi-heroic death.
I think it would really duck if they do go that way, rather than keeping him as a bad guy for next season, or putting him down like the scum he is.
Tossing the guys out the plane most likely was the best way to save them. On the plane they would be dead but now they in some sealed container that most likely has flotation devices attached to it. Also they never had him kill the dog. I'm certain there's some redemption coming.
On May 10 2014 12:09 Acrofales wrote: So who else thinks this last episode is setting us up for Ward's redemption, despite tossing FitchSimmons out of an airplane? At the very least all that young Ward stuff was setup for a tragi-heroic death.
I think it would really duck if they do go that way, rather than keeping him as a bad guy for next season, or putting him down like the scum he is.
Tossing the guys out the plane most likely was the best way to save them. On the plane they would be dead but now they in some sealed container that most likely has flotation devices attached to it. Also they never had him kill the dog. I'm certain there's some redemption coming.
Except that the plane was presumably flying at a couple of hundred miles an hour, so hitting the water is instant death... but trust a tv series to spin it that way.
It seems the alien DNA is making him go crazy liked they feared... Just like Garett but he took a huge dose so went crazy really fast. It could be the ultimate language that their brain just hardwired into, or it could be the alien (Blue Giants) language. It seems there will be complications for Mr. Coulson.
It seems the alien DNA is making him go crazy liked they feared... Just like Garett but he took a huge dose so went crazy really fast. It could be the ultimate language that their brain just hardwired into, or it could be the alien (Blue Giants) language. It seems there will be complications for Mr. Coulson.
ahh i was thinking something along those lines, but wasnt sure, thanks!
On May 15 2014 06:07 JerKy wrote: im sorta confused about the ending can someone clarify for me? (the part with the etchings on the wall)
it seems like a hint that the alien blood not only heals people but also transfers some kind of information. (yes that's absolutely stupid) This may also explain why most people went mad after getting in contact with it: they couldn't handle the data flow or the process of healing was overriding some of their basic behaviour with alien data. most likely (as it shouldn't be useless data) it is either a way to contact the home planet and/or a device to return home.
to speculate further: this might be useful if the alien was a genetically engineered soldier who could survive most severe injuries. If his brain is damaged/needs to be regenerated, at least he could send a message or return home.
Sick finale! Who is skye's daddy?!! I hope fitz is alright and doesn't have brain damage to lose his smarts! Hope he's still not friendzoned either! Can't wait for season 2!
It was a pretty good setup. Ward in the cell is kind of a standard trope, but Brett Dalton is doing a pretty good job at it. I wonder if he really is just psycho bonkers crazy and fixated on Skye, or if he's playing the long game.
Dunno what to make of Fitz right now though. His story could be interesting or really boring depending on how they play it.
One of the best episodes. What a way to start season 2 with a bang! Glad to see the show carried the momentum from the second half of season 1. I did not expect that twist with Fitz and Simmons. The Absorbing Man was a nice villain and the CGI was great, too.
I am glad I stuck with this show from the beginning. It had its slow moments, but overall it has been worth it.
Ward in the cell and only talk to Skye is like the tropest of tropes but whatever(also, now shes suddenly fucking skilled in all things?), ill work with it.
Hope Simmons will be alright, the villain this week was pretty cool i'd say.
On September 26 2014 04:33 andrewlt wrote: They shot part of this episode where I work. I don't watch this series so I forgot to watch it. I'm curious to see what they shot where I work.
Simmons better not be really hydra otherwise the show has jumped the shark! Hopefully, she's just a spy for coulson in hydra or she's there trying to find a cure for fitz as turning her hydra would ruin her character and would be totally lazy writing.
Well, if you look at what Coulson said about Simmonds leaving, I doubt it.
He says she thought Fitz would get better with her gone which doesn't sound like her and when someone accused her of abandoning him, Coulson said she wasn't.
Also, thanks to this thread I found out this was back on. It's really weird to have it end in May and start again in September.
On October 02 2014 09:52 wei2coolman wrote: Sky looks uhmazing this season, the on the field uniform she has is hottttt.
Also, watching fitz is so sad this season
But I love so much his acting, it's so fun. I feel for him, but the blunt black guy will help him out of it, hopefully. As tropes go Fitz will smarten up in order to save Simmons in some dangerous situation.
"If you cut off one head two more will grow" "Well we'll cut those off too"
This made me rage hard. If you accept his premise then your plan is going to end in an exponentially increasing number of heads, the correct responses are.
"If you cut off one head two more will grow" "Well in that case we'll keep the current number of heads but actively try to negate all their efforts"
or "If you cut off one head two more will grow" "I don't think that your motto is literally true, if the number of heads that regrows averages less than one it's probably still a net gain for us"
or "If you cut off one head two more will grow" "I don't accept that premise as true"
On September 26 2014 04:33 andrewlt wrote: They shot part of this episode where I work. I don't watch this series so I forgot to watch it. I'm curious to see what they shot where I work.
On October 02 2014 11:19 KwarK wrote: "If you cut off one head two more will grow" "Well we'll cut those off too"
This made me rage hard. If you accept his premise then your plan is going to end in an exponentially increasing number of heads, the correct responses are.
"If you cut off one head two more will grow" "Well in that case we'll keep the current number of heads but actively try to negate all their efforts"
or "If you cut off one head two more will grow" "I don't think that your motto is literally true, if the number of heads that regrows averages less than one it's probably still a net gain for us"
or "If you cut off one head two more will grow" "I don't accept that premise as true"
On October 02 2014 11:19 KwarK wrote: "If you cut off one head two more will grow" "Well we'll cut those off too"
This made me rage hard. If you accept his premise then your plan is going to end in an exponentially increasing number of heads, the correct responses are.
"If you cut off one head two more will grow" "Well in that case we'll keep the current number of heads but actively try to negate all their efforts"
or "If you cut off one head two more will grow" "I don't think that your motto is literally true, if the number of heads that regrows averages less than one it's probably still a net gain for us"
or "If you cut off one head two more will grow" "I don't accept that premise as true"
You must be great at parties.
It's not that difficult to write lines that both sound cool and also make sense. It's the same shit as Bruce Banner claiming "I'm angry all the time" to explain how he can control the hulk. If he's angry all the time then he'd be the hulk all the time according to every established rule of hulk canon. Lazy writing should not be excused.
On October 02 2014 11:19 KwarK wrote: "If you cut off one head two more will grow" "Well we'll cut those off too"
This made me rage hard. If you accept his premise then your plan is going to end in an exponentially increasing number of heads, the correct responses are.
"If you cut off one head two more will grow" "Well in that case we'll keep the current number of heads but actively try to negate all their efforts"
or "If you cut off one head two more will grow" "I don't think that your motto is literally true, if the number of heads that regrows averages less than one it's probably still a net gain for us"
or "If you cut off one head two more will grow" "I don't accept that premise as true"
Yeah, that got me, too. I would have hoped for: "If you cut off one head two more will grow" "Then we'll cut out your heart"
On October 02 2014 11:19 KwarK wrote: "If you cut off one head two more will grow" "Well we'll cut those off too"
This made me rage hard. If you accept his premise then your plan is going to end in an exponentially increasing number of heads, the correct responses are.
"If you cut off one head two more will grow" "Well in that case we'll keep the current number of heads but actively try to negate all their efforts"
or "If you cut off one head two more will grow" "I don't think that your motto is literally true, if the number of heads that regrows averages less than one it's probably still a net gain for us"
or "If you cut off one head two more will grow" "I don't accept that premise as true"
You must be great at parties.
It's not that difficult to write lines that both sound cool and also make sense. It's the same shit as Bruce Banner claiming "I'm angry all the time" to explain how he can control the hulk. If he's angry all the time then he'd be the hulk all the time according to every established rule of hulk canon. Lazy writing should not be excused.
See, I read it as irony, not lazy writing. Because she was standing in for SHIELD's failed approach; troubleshoot little problems here and there, not noticing that the big problem (and the root problems) are festering and gaining strength.
Which is definitely not a metaphor for US foreign policy.
coulson keeping secrets from sky is going to alienate her. I really hope she doesn't go to Ward...It feels really really stupid that they're hiding things from her considering they're the ones who injected her with the same alien juice.
Also episode 2 Talbet said something about a senator with deep pockets. They've hinted at Ward's family a few times being high profile, I wonder if it's his father or brother or something...
On October 16 2014 15:35 Complete wrote: Over competent at what?
Has she actually done anything this season..?
sniper, shooting range, a lot less useless, etc. etc.
How exactly is she overcompetent. She was always an OP hacker and she has since spent months training directly under May. I think the only unrealistic thing she has done is the parachuting without any experience. Even then I always apply comic book logic to Agents of Shield anyway.
On October 16 2014 15:35 Complete wrote: Over competent at what?
Has she actually done anything this season..?
sniper, shooting range, a lot less useless, etc. etc.
How exactly is she overcompetent. She was always an OP hacker and she has since spent months training directly under May. I think the only unrealistic thing she has done is the parachuting without any experience. Even then I always apply comic book logic to Agents of Shield anyway.
She wasn't exactly an expert marksman by the end of the season....
On October 16 2014 15:35 Complete wrote: Over competent at what?
Has she actually done anything this season..?
sniper, shooting range, a lot less useless, etc. etc.
How exactly is she overcompetent. She was always an OP hacker and she has since spent months training directly under May. I think the only unrealistic thing she has done is the parachuting without any experience. Even then I always apply comic book logic to Agents of Shield anyway.
She wasn't exactly an expert marksman by the end of the season....
It's not so hard to shoot people with a high power sniper rifle. That bullet will fly straight at whatever she's aiming at for quite a distance before dropping. Especially that short distance in the show.
Besides, it's comic books made into a show ffs, quit applying real world logic, and apply marvel logic instead.
On October 16 2014 15:35 Complete wrote: Over competent at what?
Has she actually done anything this season..?
sniper, shooting range, a lot less useless, etc. etc.
How exactly is she overcompetent. She was always an OP hacker and she has since spent months training directly under May. I think the only unrealistic thing she has done is the parachuting without any experience. Even then I always apply comic book logic to Agents of Shield anyway.
She wasn't exactly an expert marksman by the end of the season....
It's not so hard to shoot people with a high power sniper rifle. That bullet will fly straight at whatever she's aiming at for quite a distance before dropping. Especially that short distance in the show.
Besides, it's comic books made into a show ffs, quit applying real world logic, and apply marvel logic instead.
It has nothing to do with marvel logic... At the end of last season she was still going through training, and she was still insanely incompetent outside of "muh hax0r skills".
On October 16 2014 23:23 Requizen wrote: I'm just glad they didn't actually make Talbot Hydra. That would have been the dumbest twist.
Agreed, I was ready to be very disappointed but thank god they saved it.
I didn't like this weeks episode, it felt akward and the whole May/Coulson stuff isn't worth an entire episode. The rest of the cast was just filler this week and the main storyline was kinda inconsequental. Oh and why didn't Ward just get away when the ship lost power? He just became a lazy plotdevice now.
Edit: For some reason I thought Ward was on the bus, silly me. Still a lazy plotdevice though
On October 16 2014 23:23 Requizen wrote: I'm just glad they didn't actually make Talbot Hydra. That would have been the dumbest twist.
Agreed, I was ready to be very disappointed but thank god they saved it.
I didn't like this weeks episode, it felt akward and the whole May/Coulson stuff isn't worth an entire episode. The rest of the cast was just filler this week and the main storyline was kinda inconsequental. Oh and why didn't Ward just get away when the shop lost power? He's just became a lazy plotdevice now.
The Bus was in a hangar in Miami, their base is elsewhere. It was just the plane that lost power, not their whole operation.
On October 16 2014 20:39 Flicky wrote: Was a fun enough episode, I just can't figure out why they put May in a nightgown. Like, where did they get it and why did they decide on that.
I mean it obviously doesn't matter at all, but I find it pretty amusing to think about.
She "snipe shot" someone from like, 30 feet away. I don't have any shooting skills but that doesn't seem to be an 'expert' shot. She has a scope n stuff, wind probably isn't that big of a deal from that distance etc? idk. Definitely seems like something she could have trained for in the "vague couple of months" between seasons.
Skye(haha)diving is about balls, not training. She's been doing morning meditation stuff with May probably to stay calm.
On October 17 2014 01:16 Complete wrote: She "snipe shot" someone from like, 30 feet away. I don't have any shooting skills but that doesn't seem to be an 'expert' shot. She has a scope n stuff, wind probably isn't that big of a deal from that distance etc? idk. Definitely seems like something she could have trained for in the "vague couple of months" between seasons.
Skye(haha)diving is about balls, not training. She's been doing morning meditation stuff with May probably to stay calm.
The shot isn't hard. I'm more interested by the stealth involved in not getting caught/killed.
On October 17 2014 01:16 Complete wrote: She "snipe shot" someone from like, 30 feet away. I don't have any shooting skills but that doesn't seem to be an 'expert' shot. She has a scope n stuff, wind probably isn't that big of a deal from that distance etc? idk. Definitely seems like something she could have trained for in the "vague couple of months" between seasons.
Skye(haha)diving is about balls, not training. She's been doing morning meditation stuff with May probably to stay calm.
It was easily more than 30ft, also it's not just about pointing and shooting, there's a lot of recoil with snipers, not to mention the mental preparation to take the shot. Not to mention the shooting range, shooting close grouping without increase in heart rate? that takes a lot of training. Remember how she was just an incompetent princess throughout all of last season that needed ward/crew to rescue her? Now she's willing to take things into her own hands and stuff. It was obviously intended by the writers, but it seems really sudden without any training montage.
I guess I kind of agree with you, but things like them making scenes turn out a certain way just to be more funny rather than actually follow some type of 'realism' (ie when Garrett lived in season finale so they could shoot him with that giant gun) bothers me more than this does :p
On October 17 2014 01:16 Complete wrote: She "snipe shot" someone from like, 30 feet away. I don't have any shooting skills but that doesn't seem to be an 'expert' shot. She has a scope n stuff, wind probably isn't that big of a deal from that distance etc? idk. Definitely seems like something she could have trained for in the "vague couple of months" between seasons.
Skye(haha)diving is about balls, not training. She's been doing morning meditation stuff with May probably to stay calm.
It was easily more than 30ft, also it's not just about pointing and shooting, there's a lot of recoil with snipers, not to mention the mental preparation to take the shot. Not to mention the shooting range, shooting close grouping without increase in heart rate? that takes a lot of training. Remember how she was just an incompetent princess throughout all of last season that needed ward/crew to rescue her? Now she's willing to take things into her own hands and stuff. It was obviously intended by the writers, but it seems really sudden without any training montage.
That's what some life-changing adventures and a few months of training can do for you. She was not nearly as incompetent as you make her out to be last season, and she is not nearly as competent as you make her out to be this season. It's really not nearly as bad as you make it out to be.
On October 17 2014 01:33 Complete wrote: I guess I kind of agree with you, but things like them making scenes turn out a certain way just to be more funny rather than actually follow some type of 'realism' (ie when Garrett lived in season finale so they could shoot him with that giant gun) bothers me more than this does :p
it's not a matter of realism or anything, the director just didn't do a good job of showing time progression in regards to her increase in competency.
On October 17 2014 03:57 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote: So I watched the first 5 episodes of Agents, but quickly grew bored of it.
Is it getting any better?
I'd say it's kinda up and down. I feel that episodes are very hit and miss with not much in between, which persists into the second season. There were some awesome episodes but terrible ones as well. Last weeks was atrocious. But I find it entertaining enough to keep watching. I just really dislike Coulson, who is just to suburban housefather and always kinda seems out of place. Just akward casting imo.
I'd suggest you stick around if your into the marvel universe, otherwise there are better shows out there. I personally much prefer all the DC comic tv shows like Gotham and Arrow (although both are also not without fault). But those seem to stick more to the core material then the Marvel tv show. And they have a much darker vibe which I prefer.
Edit: I forgot one crucial thing! Joss Whedon is the show runner and I absolutely love everything he puts his hands on. He guarantees an amazing over arching storyline and some seriously awesome plot twists. Biggest selling point of the show imho. The episode to episode is just a bit of a grind sometimes.
I love Joss Whedon also, especially after Firefly. What a way to end a television series with Serenity.
The ups and downs kinda made me lose interest though, but I agree I like how Joss Whedon knows how to create a big picture. That grind though… reminds me of Dragon Ball Z where +20 episodes are fillers.
On October 21 2014 20:54 KwarK wrote: I expect they'll redeem him which sucks because he's done irredeemable things, whatever his fucked up reasons.
I have the opposite expectation. I expect him to continue to betray the team, by tempting Sky to see her father.
On October 20 2014 22:05 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote: That grind though… reminds me of Dragon Ball Z where +20 episodes are fillers.
Dude. Dragonball can have like 10episodes of Goku charging up his spirit ball, with another 10episodes of him throwing it or something. It's the king of fillers imo lol.
On October 22 2014 15:59 Brutaxilos wrote: I think we just got the best episode in the series to date. So many loose ends wrapped up in this episode.
Yeah, they drew the battle lines a lot more clearly and set everything up for an epic season. I do expect there to be some "monster of the week" episodes following this one since the team is all back together and all the relationships have been clearly established, but it'll be awesome to see the new team and the new baddies and what all they can do.
On October 23 2014 02:02 Just_a_Moth wrote: Agent Moss (Morse?) is really hot. She must have been quite the bitch for the british guy to leave her lol.
On October 23 2014 01:27 Complete wrote: I did...Why does Skye's father want to kill Coulson though?
to get skye back or something. Like..him getting upset and leaving towards the end of the episode didnt give you any clue as to why he wants coulson dead?
On October 23 2014 01:27 Complete wrote: I did...Why does Skye's father want to kill Coulson though?
Probably jealousy? I mean if you've been searching for your daughter for the last 20+ years, and some other fatherly figure comes out of nowhere for her, you'd probably be pretty pissed too.
On October 23 2014 01:27 Complete wrote: I did...Why does Skye's father want to kill Coulson though?
Because Coulson is a father figure to her, and for the guy who is trying to find his daughter to see that happen is heart-breaking. Plus, literally 5 seconds later she sees just how brutal her father is (ie., killing two people with a scalpel through sheer strength) and Coulson doesn't say the words, but she does ("he's a monster")... Pretty sure that'd send a guy over the edge, especially when we know he's got anger issues to begin with (see scene with Reina).
And it's about damn time Skye figured out what the drawings/markings mean.
They gave Ward an inch and he's in the wild. A very cool direction for the story better then a straight return to Hydra or a redemption arc. Maybe he will try to be : To thy Sky be true and "return" to Hydra.
On October 29 2014 11:09 NPF wrote: I think with the sneak peak at the end of the episode for Avengers : Age of Ultron we can say that Captain America will be the next king of Asgard.
They gave Ward an inch and he's in the wild. A very cool direction for the story better then a straight return to Hydra or a redemption arc. Maybe he will try to be : To thy Sky be true and "return" to Hydra.
Well I am pretty convinced I will be right. I posted previously that there's no way Ward will have his redemption. I truly think he will continue to be the bad guy in this season.
I really liked this episode. coulson as a director is much better. the interactions between the crew members were funny and genuine. now they just need a "better" villain and the future is a bright one.
Hm, I dropped this mid season 1, now I see it got better, although too many plot twists and it's still visibly TV production (armed forces with bike helmets...)
On November 04 2014 23:00 Zax19 wrote: Hm, I dropped this mid season 1, now I see it got better, although too many plot twists and it's still visibly TV production (armed forces with bike helmets...)
well, yeah the production value def. lacks a bit. but the end of s1 and s2 got better and I'm willing to overlook it. did you watch it all or did you skip midseason 1?
On November 04 2014 23:00 Zax19 wrote: Hm, I dropped this mid season 1, now I see it got better, although too many plot twists and it's still visibly TV production (armed forces with bike helmets...)
well, yeah the production value def. lacks a bit. but the end of s1 and s2 got better and I'm willing to overlook it. did you watch it all or did you skip midseason 1?
Well I caught up recently, otherwise I wouldn't comment on it. I don't really like flip-flop good guy bad guy stuff when we basically have no way of knowing in advance. What's nice is the film integration - definitely better than having a former Superman film actor play the part of a TV show Ray Palmer x)
Did Whitehall do that and expected it to work exactly like what he expected? + Show Spoiler +
transplanting everything from Skye's mum into himself should carry some risk, but he just did it without fear or anything? all i can say is that i love this show's plot more and more
It's one of these shows that you can easily pick apart and point out all kinds of plot holes if you really want to. But why would you want to do that? It's still a great, enjoyable show, though.
On November 19 2014 22:41 Mithhaike wrote: Wait what?
Did Whitehall do that and expected it to work exactly like what he expected? + Show Spoiler +
transplanting everything from Skye's mum into himself should carry some risk, but he just did it without fear or anything? all i can say is that i love this show's plot more and more
On November 19 2014 22:41 Mithhaike wrote: Wait what?
Did Whitehall do that and expected it to work exactly like what he expected? + Show Spoiler +
transplanting everything from Skye's mum into himself should carry some risk, but he just did it without fear or anything? all i can say is that i love this show's plot more and more
The end of the season is obviously gonna be Skye's dad capturing Coulson, about to kill him, then finds evidence that Whitehall was the one that actually killed his wife and noble sacrifices to take him down. At least that's the obvious play, I really hope that's not what they go for.
I assume he already knows that Whitehall is the one, considering the scene at the end with him looking Whitehall in the eye and his general behavior. He doesn't believe he can take on Whitehall by himself so he's manipulating both sides to get Whitehall killed and Skye away from Shield.
On November 20 2014 03:22 Potatisodlaren wrote: I assume he already knows that Whitehall is the one, considering the scene at the end with him looking Whitehall in the eye and his general behavior. He doesn't believe he can take on Whitehall by himself so he's manipulating both sides to get Whitehall killed and Skye away from Shield.
My thoughts exactly. He has 2 goals, get skye away from Shield for taking her away from his only family, and to kill Whitehall, last part was a dead giveaway with the speech about "looking at your enemies in the eyes". He knows who did that to his wife.
On November 20 2014 11:53 wei2coolman wrote: guys, guys. you missed the biggest point about the episode.
we now know why sky is hot. she's half asian and half white.
We knew this for a long time...
Actually surprised with the direction they're taking Ward, and it's worked out quite well. They keeping twisting him back and forth where you try to figure out just how psychotic he really is.
On November 20 2014 11:53 wei2coolman wrote: guys, guys. you missed the biggest point about the episode.
we now know why sky is hot. she's half asian and half white.
We knew this for a long time...
Actually surprised with the direction they're taking Ward, and it's worked out quite well. They keeping twisting him back and forth where you try to figure out just how psychotic he really is.
I agree. This new season is actually pretty darn awesome with the Ward arc & Skye grand conspiracy and Hydra with Whitehall etc. definitely had me interested in what's going to happen next.
Btw...shouldn't Whitehall be able to touch the diviner now? Raina could. Whitehall with what he did to Skye's mum should be able to touch it too. I suspect it will end up having Whitehall be the final villain who took the diviner into the city
I personally think that Ward might have faked his brothers death, but even if he didn't he seemed like a crook. I think Ward, given his "I'm taking responsibility" thing he got going on, is going double-double agent now. He's acting as a double agent for Shield even though they don't know it and wouldn't want him to.
He is putting himself in a place where he can make a difference with regards to helping Skye and and the rest of the team. I don't think he has any loyalty to Shield specifically though, only his old team which he still thinks himself as part of.
In other words Ward is one of the good guys, they are just making him look psycho to set up for further plot-twists with him.
Even if Ward thinks he's one of the good guys in his own twisted sense and he wants to play for the good guy's team Coulson is 100% right, there is no redemption for him. The guy is insane.
Yeah, he murdered a few too many people by now for the "I was a good guy all along!"-trope, so I very much doubt they'll go down that route. Which I think is the absolutely right decision. I love him as the crazy psychopath bad guy. Makes me want to rewatch the first season.
There were some pretty good moments in this episode, I really like Ward now. Much better as a crazy dude than he was in S1.
Though I really hate the Fitz/Simmons pairing they keep playing around with. I don't mind if they make it a romantic thing between them but I really don't need UST with these characters, it really dumbs them down.
The Diviner gets to the temple, instead of wiping everyone out, it activates all the latent superpowers within all those that the Kree fucked with a looong time ago. It gives them a new, virtually endless "baddie of the week" list with a bunch of newly empowered assholes, and powers up Skye and Raina. It also sets up the Inhumans movie that's supposed to come out in a few years.
nice episode, really brings out the inhumans hype. Now I only need to have Vin Diesel confirmed for the role which would be funny because his voiceacting role only speaks 3 words and if he does blackbolt then his acting role i MCU doesn't speak...
can't wait to see last ep ... I enjoy this shown since S01E07, and come on i think sky is a beast now cuz she's .. special. I mean she can have some ability to learn faster, stuff liek that
Really loving the show as of late. Every episode of Season 2 has been a blast. I really hope it doesn't go the way deth2munkies suggests, having a long-form single story has been incredible to watch and something this sort of show has lacked for years.
I really don't want to see Skye/Raina or anyone as ultra powerful, it would really fuck with the dynamic of the SHIELD agents if one of them was significantly more powerful than the rest.
On December 03 2014 23:24 Flicky wrote: Really loving the show as of late. Every episode of Season 2 has been a blast. I really hope it doesn't go the way deth2munkies suggests, having a long-form single story has been incredible to watch and something this sort of show has lacked for years.
I really don't want to see Skye/Raina or anyone as ultra powerful, it would really fuck with the dynamic of the SHIELD agents if one of them was significantly more powerful than the rest.
Skye turns out to be a version of Quake. Evidence: she's the daughter of an evil doctor who is somehow more than human, and the music box was playing "Daisy, Daisy" in her nightmare. Daisy is Quake's first name, and we know her REAL name isn't Skye.
In the comics, she apparently got her powers naturally from her father, but in this version, her powers will be awakened by the Terrigen Mists which will be released when the Diviner reaches the Temple. Given the way AoS has set it up, the Mists will likely act as an awakening agent to all people who have the potential to be Inhumans and set up the movie.
On December 04 2014 04:43 Sentenal wrote: Who are the Inhumans supposed to be in the comics? They seem like Mutants, but they are somehow different?
Broad strokes? Secret society of humans that were evolved by aliens millenia ago. Lived in their secret city till the Avengers and the like stumbled in. All of them have superpowers.
Marvel is basically looking to make them their "X-Men" because they don't have the rights to X-Men or mutants, so look for "mutants" to show up as "inhumans" (i.e. Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch in Age of Ultron).
On December 03 2014 23:24 Flicky wrote: Really loving the show as of late. Every episode of Season 2 has been a blast. I really hope it doesn't go the way deth2munkies suggests, having a long-form single story has been incredible to watch and something this sort of show has lacked for years.
I really don't want to see Skye/Raina or anyone as ultra powerful, it would really fuck with the dynamic of the SHIELD agents if one of them was significantly more powerful than the rest.
Skye turns out to be a version of Quake. Evidence: she's the daughter of an evil doctor who is somehow more than human, and the music box was playing "Daisy, Daisy" in her nightmare. Daisy is Quake's first name, and we know her REAL name isn't Skye.
In the comics, she apparently got her powers naturally from her father, but in this version, her powers will be awakened by the Terrigen Mists which will be released when the Diviner reaches the Temple. Given the way AoS has set it up, the Mists will likely act as an awakening agent to all people who have the potential to be Inhumans and set up the movie.
That would make some sense as her Dad is fond of yelling "THAT'S NOT HER NAME". Would still prefer that the show doesn't go towards the super-powers area, but I guess it's inevitable. As deth2munkies says, inhumans are probably going to be their X-Men.
On December 04 2014 23:27 -Archangel- wrote: What? I want more superpowers, not less. This is a Marvel show, not CSI.
I know! It's kind of dumb to pretend superpowers don't exist in a world filled with aliens and super powers. Give me more super powers! That's the point of comic book shows. Shows like CSI and NCIS already exist if all you want is realistic crime happening.
Spoiler Alert !! So guys, What do you think its happened to Mack? Is he gonna become human again ? Did they will find a way fo heal him ? Or is he stuck in the city for decades, trying to protect it and kill all intruders ?
On December 05 2014 19:38 VelJa wrote: Spoiler Alert !! So guys, What do you think its happened to Mack? Is he gonna become human again ? Did they will find a way fo heal him ? Or is he stuck in the city for decades, trying to protect it and kill all intruders ?
Probably survived the fall, no one important died so far iirc (its late so i'm probably wrong). Or they'll stick magic goo on him and heal him.... or some shit like that.
On December 05 2014 19:38 VelJa wrote: Spoiler Alert !! So guys, What do you think its happened to Mack? Is he gonna become human again ? Did they will find a way fo heal him ? Or is he stuck in the city for decades, trying to protect it and kill all intruders ?
Probably survived the fall, no one important died so far iirc (its late so i'm probably wrong). Or they'll stick magic goo on him and heal him.... or some shit like that.
hahahaha magic goo EVERYWHERE I personally thinks they gonna get mack back on the plane, remove his "curse" but he will keep his strengh. Also, he can become a little bit mad after all this shit too (mental troubles, ..)
Man that was a sick mid season finale. Guess all the fans were right and skye turned out to be daisy quake johnson! Super powered up now! I like it! A marvel show should have some super powers in it. Skye's even more of a hot badass now!
On December 06 2014 16:30 WolfintheSheep wrote: He was already super enhanced by the alien shit, took like 6 tranqs without any reaction. Don't think a fall killed him.
it looks like after the transformation was done, his "spell" was lifted.
She was there at the end...she broke out of the stuff before Skye did.
Yeah, I know. But after she broke out of the stuff she disappeared. Didn't even show her leave. Edit: Just realized maybe the power she got is that she go invisible or teleport or something.
I was figuring she'd be this universe's equivalent of Mystique or something. Having her as someone physically strong or someone who looks that physically different really doesn't match for me. Not too confident in that assessment anymore though.
I rather liked that finale! Obviously anyone who was reading about things online knew what was coming with Skye and her father's identities, but there were still some surprises with + Show Spoiler +
Whitehall and Tripp
. Just pissed that we have to wait until February to see anything more.
this ep was really really good. I like how this show start relatively basic, bad some times, and after S01e10, all becomes so good ! This is really a good TV show, it's in my top3
On December 12 2014 00:08 Requizen wrote: I rather liked that finale! Obviously anyone who was reading about things online knew what was coming with Skye and her father's identities, but there were still some surprises with + Show Spoiler +
Whitehall and Tripp
. Just pissed that we have to wait until February to see anything more.
thanks dude, can u give the link of imdb forum ? Ther reader seems better, we see him with a book, and he has no eyes wich kind of "match" better ^^ This is the new bad guy so
1. On another side, are u all sure that whitehall is dead ? He dies too fast and easyly for me :/ 2. What do you think Ward is gonna do now? I think messing around and help skye when she needs something ...
He is not a bad guy. He just seeks new Inhumans. I think Sky's father is going to be a bad guy. I also except Baron von Strucker to get involved as he needs one diviner to create Quicksilver and Scarlett Witch for the Avengers 2.
I am secretly hoping we get hints about Black Bolt but it is more realistic that one is going to be kept for Inhumans movie in 2018.
I also think Whitehall might survive. We will see. Maybe Sky's mother power was also quicker healing. He took out her organs so she could not heal herself but maybe he can heal himself.
On December 12 2014 23:13 -Archangel- wrote: He is not a bad guy. He just seeks new Inhumans. I think Sky's father is going to be a bad guy. I also except Baron von Strucker to get involved as he needs one diviner to create Quicksilver and Scarlett Witch for the Avengers 2.
I am secretly hoping we get hints about Black Bolt but it is more realistic that one is going to be kept for Inhumans movie in 2018.
I also think Whitehall might survive. We will see. Maybe Sky's mother power was also quicker healing. He took out her organs so she could not heal herself but maybe he can heal himself.
mmm okay it's an interesting P.O.V. but i'm thinking about something else.
Skye Father aka Mister Hyde will remain in the show, but not as a bad guy, i think he does not have any goals to pursue now that he has finally meet his little girl. He will messing around liek Ward now i think.
But The Reader seems like a badass bad guy, he appear at the end, with a goal : find what happened with the diviner, try to collect them all and do some magic stuff with it.
For Quicksilver and Scarlett Witch, i think at the start they will be on the dark side (hydar or some shit) but apparently **SPOILER ALERT*** on the next IronMan they will join avengers to defeat ultron.
At least, for Whitehall, i don't think he tooks her organs, i believe he drinks her bloods or crazy stuff like this cuz this man have no scars :/
2 last things : Hulk Vs Mister Hyde please ]]]]] Who is "Baron von Strucker"??
On December 12 2014 23:13 -Archangel- wrote: He is not a bad guy. He just seeks new Inhumans. I think Sky's father is going to be a bad guy. I also except Baron von Strucker to get involved as he needs one diviner to create Quicksilver and Scarlett Witch for the Avengers 2.
Were they not already shown to be in cages or something with their powers in the post-credits of one of the films? I figured they already had their powers.
On December 12 2014 23:13 -Archangel- wrote: He is not a bad guy. He just seeks new Inhumans. I think Sky's father is going to be a bad guy. I also except Baron von Strucker to get involved as he needs one diviner to create Quicksilver and Scarlett Witch for the Avengers 2.
Were they not already shown to be in cages or something with their powers in the post-credits of one of the films? I figured they already had their powers.
yeah you are right it was in avengers or winter soldier ? not sure :/
On December 12 2014 23:13 -Archangel- wrote: He is not a bad guy. He just seeks new Inhumans. I think Sky's father is going to be a bad guy. I also except Baron von Strucker to get involved as he needs one diviner to create Quicksilver and Scarlett Witch for the Avengers 2.
Were they not already shown to be in cages or something with their powers in the post-credits of one of the films? I figured they already had their powers.
yeah you are right it was in avengers or winter soldier ? not sure :/
Post-credits Winter Soldier. Also, the Reader is obviously part of a network of Inhumans that already exists, so the storyline of Inhumans coexisting with humans for long periods of time without them knowing is in place. There are multiple diviners and probably a network of people keeping track of how they're being used. Whether they plan to kill Skye and Raina for being unauthorized by some previously unknown laws/council/etc, or plan on helping them join their civilization remains to be seen.
On December 12 2014 23:13 -Archangel- wrote: He is not a bad guy. He just seeks new Inhumans. I think Sky's father is going to be a bad guy. I also except Baron von Strucker to get involved as he needs one diviner to create Quicksilver and Scarlett Witch for the Avengers 2.
Were they not already shown to be in cages or something with their powers in the post-credits of one of the films? I figured they already had their powers.
We don't know the timeline of that event. It might happen later.
On December 12 2014 23:13 -Archangel- wrote: He is not a bad guy. He just seeks new Inhumans. I think Sky's father is going to be a bad guy. I also except Baron von Strucker to get involved as he needs one diviner to create Quicksilver and Scarlett Witch for the Avengers 2.
I am secretly hoping we get hints about Black Bolt but it is more realistic that one is going to be kept for Inhumans movie in 2018.
I also think Whitehall might survive. We will see. Maybe Sky's mother power was also quicker healing. He took out her organs so she could not heal herself but maybe he can heal himself.
mmm okay it's an interesting P.O.V. but i'm thinking about something else.
Skye Father aka Mister Hyde will remain in the show, but not as a bad guy, i think he does not have any goals to pursue now that he has finally meet his little girl. He will messing around liek Ward now i think.
But The Reader seems like a badass bad guy, he appear at the end, with a goal : find what happened with the diviner, try to collect them all and do some magic stuff with it.
For Quicksilver and Scarlett Witch, i think at the start they will be on the dark side (hydar or some shit) but apparently **SPOILER ALERT*** on the next IronMan they will join avengers to defeat ultron.
At least, for Whitehall, i don't think he tooks her organs, i believe he drinks her bloods or crazy stuff like this cuz this man have no scars :/
2 last things : Hulk Vs Mister Hyde please ]]]]] Who is "Baron von Strucker"??
Mr hyde hates Coulson. Also don't forget he said to Daisy to come find him afterwards.
Stucker is main Hydra guy. Ward mentions him at one moment and he was shown in after credit of Winter Soldier.
On December 12 2014 23:13 -Archangel- wrote: He is not a bad guy. He just seeks new Inhumans. I think Sky's father is going to be a bad guy. I also except Baron von Strucker to get involved as he needs one diviner to create Quicksilver and Scarlett Witch for the Avengers 2.
I am secretly hoping we get hints about Black Bolt but it is more realistic that one is going to be kept for Inhumans movie in 2018.
I also think Whitehall might survive. We will see. Maybe Sky's mother power was also quicker healing. He took out her organs so she could not heal herself but maybe he can heal himself.
mmm okay it's an interesting P.O.V. but i'm thinking about something else.
Skye Father aka Mister Hyde will remain in the show, but not as a bad guy, i think he does not have any goals to pursue now that he has finally meet his little girl. He will messing around liek Ward now i think.
But The Reader seems like a badass bad guy, he appear at the end, with a goal : find what happened with the diviner, try to collect them all and do some magic stuff with it.
For Quicksilver and Scarlett Witch, i think at the start they will be on the dark side (hydar or some shit) but apparently **SPOILER ALERT*** on the next IronMan they will join avengers to defeat ultron.
At least, for Whitehall, i don't think he tooks her organs, i believe he drinks her bloods or crazy stuff like this cuz this man have no scars :/
2 last things : Hulk Vs Mister Hyde please ]]]]] Who is "Baron von Strucker"??
Mr hyde hates Coulson. Also don't forget he said to Daisy to come find him afterwards.
Stucker is main Hydra guy. Ward mentions him at one moment and he was shown in after credit of Winter Soldier.
It's very unlikely Strucker will show up in the tv show, he's just too big a character. It would be like Loki popping in to mess with Coulson. As awesome as that would be it's never gonna happen.
On December 13 2014 09:27 -Archangel- wrote: Fury showed up last season. I would say he is as big character if not bigger.
This is true. And I'm actually expecting him to show up this season as well having something to do with Bobby's secret stuff. Still I think Strucker will be kept a top tier villain. If he's is featured in Agents of Shield at all it will be at most a video call with Whitehall, who I doubt is actually dead.
Strucker will show up one way or another in A2: AoU . But he is not a main villain for Avenger team. I think he fits more into AoS show being a SHIELD enemy.
I don't know. He's always been the head of Hydra, even Red Skull has bowed to his leadership at one point or another. That puts him firmly in Avengers territory, or at the very least Caps. I admit there is a possibility of him turning up in AoS but I find it very unlikely. I find it more likely that the Avengers will deal with him in the first half of Age of Ultron and he'll get a passing mention on AoS.
I'm interested in what Ward is going to do now. He's had this obsession with Skye all season. I wonder if the "spell" she has him under will be broken now that she shot him in the back. Also his goal has been to get her to this city/meet her father and he has accomplished it now.
On December 15 2014 23:12 Complete wrote: I'm interested in what Ward is going to do now. He's had this obsession with Skye all season. I wonder if the "spell" she has him under will be broken now that she shot him in the back. Also his goal has been to get her to this city/meet her father and he has accomplished it now.
Ward will mess around and help skye when she needs it. I also believe its possible that hr work for/with Mr Hyde
On December 15 2014 23:12 Complete wrote: I'm interested in what Ward is going to do now. He's had this obsession with Skye all season. I wonder if the "spell" she has him under will be broken now that she shot him in the back. Also his goal has been to get her to this city/meet her father and he has accomplished it now.
Ward will mess around and help skye when she needs it. I also believe its possible that hr work for/with Mr Hyde
I really dislike that we're meant to believe Skye is so badass highly trained superagent now but didn't bother with a kill shot. If she'd been at range or whatever and had shot him, hit, he'd fallen and she'd been unable to come in closer then whatever but she simply didn't bother and Ward is far too dangerous to not bother with.
Eh, the show makes tons of small mistakes like that. The basic idea that she's gone from nerdy hacker to close-combat specialist super agent within a few months is pretty stupid too, if you think about it. This is not the kind of show you should think too much about, or you'll just not enjoy it.
On December 17 2014 01:51 KwarK wrote: I really dislike that we're meant to believe Skye is so badass highly trained superagent now but didn't bother with a kill shot. If she'd been at range or whatever and had shot him, hit, he'd fallen and she'd been unable to come in closer then whatever but she simply didn't bother and Ward is far too dangerous to not bother with.
I think the point is that she isn't a hardened soldier.
Can't remember, has she actually killed someone yet?
I mean its a comic book tv show. Can we stop expecting them to be super realistic?
And I think this version of Mr Hyde is more of a its complicated than a full blown supervillan. I'm curious how ward and creepy robot voice/ half may face lady are going to do. I'm betting that Ward is still going to try to whole redemption thing and maybe get her to buy into it as well, and never actually get there because hes way too far gone for anything other than the Vader redemption.
On December 17 2014 01:51 KwarK wrote: I really dislike that we're meant to believe Skye is so badass highly trained superagent now but didn't bother with a kill shot. If she'd been at range or whatever and had shot him, hit, he'd fallen and she'd been unable to come in closer then whatever but she simply didn't bother and Ward is far too dangerous to not bother with.
I think the point is that she isn't a hardened soldier.
Can't remember, has she actually killed someone yet?
I am the first to jump on this show's plotholes, but I actually buy both her insanely fast training period and her continued unprofessionalism (particularly as regards Ward). She trained fast because she's a mutant/Inhuman who is just naturally talented beyond all get-out. May reads all success as a matter of discipline, and this has rubbed off on Skye, who thinks of herself as disciplined despite showing no signs of actual discipline. The result of this is how consistently unprofessional she has acted and why everyone is clueless because they think she's just adapted and become another (if "special") SHIELD agent.
Yea, inhumans even without superpowers are supposed to be mentally superior to humans. They are really good at something (Sky at hacking) and learn fast.
On December 17 2014 01:51 KwarK wrote: I really dislike that we're meant to believe Skye is so badass highly trained superagent now but didn't bother with a kill shot. If she'd been at range or whatever and had shot him, hit, he'd fallen and she'd been unable to come in closer then whatever but she simply didn't bother and Ward is far too dangerous to not bother with.
I think the point is that she isn't a hardened soldier.
Can't remember, has she actually killed someone yet?
Yeah, her first kill was Blizzard (Donnie Gill).
Okay, so technically not a kill, but she believes it is, so counts I guess.
On December 17 2014 01:51 KwarK wrote: I really dislike that we're meant to believe Skye is so badass highly trained superagent now but didn't bother with a kill shot. If she'd been at range or whatever and had shot him, hit, he'd fallen and she'd been unable to come in closer then whatever but she simply didn't bother and Ward is far too dangerous to not bother with.
I think the point is that she isn't a hardened soldier.
Can't remember, has she actually killed someone yet?
Yeah, her first kill was Blizzard (Donnie Gill).
Okay, so technically not a kill, but she believes it is, so counts I guess.
Didn't... he's pretty fucking dead, isn't he? How is it not technically a kill? Or is this one of those things where Donnie Gill shows up in another timeline 40 years from now as a dude in Iron Man's underwater basket weaving class or something?
On December 17 2014 01:51 KwarK wrote: I really dislike that we're meant to believe Skye is so badass highly trained superagent now but didn't bother with a kill shot. If she'd been at range or whatever and had shot him, hit, he'd fallen and she'd been unable to come in closer then whatever but she simply didn't bother and Ward is far too dangerous to not bother with.
I think the point is that she isn't a hardened soldier.
Can't remember, has she actually killed someone yet?
Yeah, her first kill was Blizzard (Donnie Gill).
Okay, so technically not a kill, but she believes it is, so counts I guess.
Didn't... he's pretty fucking dead, isn't he? How is it not technically a kill? Or is this one of those things where Donnie Gill shows up in another timeline 40 years from now as a dude in Iron Man's underwater basket weaving class or something?
He got shot once and still had his entire body intact, sunk into water and froze (his power is ice), and they explicitly said "they didn't find his body".
Not sure how much fiction you've been exposed to, but...
I missed the "They never found the body" part. I thought it was pretty clear he was dead, as he was just a human aside from the superpowers. But yeah, I guess you can never actually trust that anyone is dead until their fucking head's cut off.
On December 17 2014 18:32 Fleetfeet wrote: I missed the "They never found the body" part. I thought it was pretty clear he was dead, as he was just a human aside from the superpowers. But yeah, I guess you can never actually trust that anyone is dead until their fucking head's cut off.
No, it was not clear he was dead. When he froze himself he stopped his death until he unfreezes. And in that case someone can still save him if they got a good doctor and needed stuff when they find him. People live through being shot all the time (even shots that always kill people in movies = headshots) if you can do a surgery on them in time.
So I think we use this thread for Agent Carter, quiaff?
Anyway, I thought the first two episodes were a ton of fun. There are only 8 planned so far, so they may actually wrap up the story coherently. But damn... she's so much cooler than the modern agents.
On January 08 2015 12:46 Yoav wrote: So I think we use this thread for Agent Carter, quiaff?
Anyway, I thought the first two episodes were a ton of fun. There are only 8 planned so far, so they may actually wrap up the story coherently. But damn... she's so much cooler than the modern agents.
dont you think this tv sho need his own topic ? its different than agent of shield
On January 08 2015 12:46 Yoav wrote: So I think we use this thread for Agent Carter, quiaff?
Anyway, I thought the first two episodes were a ton of fun. There are only 8 planned so far, so they may actually wrap up the story coherently. But damn... she's so much cooler than the modern agents.
dont you think this tv sho need his own topic ? its different than agent of shield
On January 08 2015 12:46 Yoav wrote: So I think we use this thread for Agent Carter, quiaff?
Anyway, I thought the first two episodes were a ton of fun. There are only 8 planned so far, so they may actually wrap up the story coherently. But damn... she's so much cooler than the modern agents.
dont you think this tv sho need his own topic ? its different than agent of shield
But it will only have like 8 episodes.
Plus Agent Carter is an agent of S.H.I.E.L.D. after all...
Yeah I kinda thought of the 8-parter as being an add-on to SHIELD the way the one-shots are add-ons to the movies. But honestly, so far I like Carter better than SHIELD and I'd be happy if they made it a full show. Would have to add a few new characters, but that would be easily done in a new season pivot ("She did great with this mission! She's proved herself, despite having tits. Here's a team!")
Edit: Although, technically she's an agent of the SSR, not SHIELD.
I haven't watched any shield, but I watched the premier for Carter, and quite liked it. I wouldn't actually mind if it kept the mini-series format and just kept renewing. I think mini-series is a better format for focused storytelling. I get rather impatient with 22 episode seasons. They often feel like they have the same amount of story spread over a longer period of time with more filler episodes and the series is more likely to spin it's wheels.
Watched the first two episodes. Not sure what to think about it...felt like it was trying too hard to be a parody of Film Noire detective stories and police procedurals, while also trying to stay true to them. End result is that it felt like everyone except Carter was treated like an idiot.
Still, it'll probably get better past the growing pains of the openers.
Agree about the film noir. Not sure everyone was an idiot though; Carter is super smart, which is refreshing for a hero, but the waitress-friend, Victor from Dollhouse, Jeeves, and even, in their sexist ways, the other cops, seemed reasonably good at their jobs and capable of good decision making. Stark was being dumb by fleeing, but that's an established trope and I'll let them get away with it.
Just saw last ep. This show is actually awesome. It's a damn' shame the marketing seems so barely there that no-one actually knows about it. Every character compelling, and the fact they kill off a named character each episode is ballsy as all get out.
The aesthetic is fucking cool (suddenly making the couples costume Cap/Carter something that would rock), the characters all hit their emotional notes perfectly, while being hardly monolithic. And the protagonist is actually smart. She's clever, does real spycraft, doesn't flinch from hard calls, and her neurosis (every spy has to have one) is legitimately well-founded. This episode plays on some of this stuff, having her make a few bad calls, but in completely realistic, understandable ways.
Another thing: it's a fantasy show, not in the Elves and Dragons sense, but in the Spiderman/Chuck/Buffy sense where you're kinda left guessing how much of the action is real and how much is imaginary in the mind of the frustrated and bored hero at their dumb day job. And this is carried off very carefully... how her cover story is the "phone company" and she always comes into work with the phone bank on the wall, how she has to rephrase her stories for the friend to understand, how her fantasy man is dapper as fuck but still completely non-sexual because that's the place she's at, and so on and so forth. I also love that its a 50s sexism show, but in a totally non-irritating, non-preachy way.
I know it's probably just these 8 episodes, but damn, I'd be in for another season of this.
On January 16 2015 14:20 Yoav wrote: Just saw last ep. This show is actually awesome. It's a damn' shame the marketing seems so barely there that no-one actually knows about it. Every character compelling, and the fact they kill off a named character each episode is ballsy as all get out.
The aesthetic is fucking cool (suddenly making the couples costume Cap/Carter something that would rock), the characters all hit their emotional notes perfectly, while being hardly monolithic. And the protagonist is actually smart. She's clever, does real spycraft, doesn't flinch from hard calls, and her neurosis (every spy has to have one) is legitimately well-founded. This episode plays on some of this stuff, having her make a few bad calls, but in completely realistic, understandable ways.
Another thing: it's a fantasy show, not in the Elves and Dragons sense, but in the Spiderman/Chuck/Buffy sense where you're kinda left guessing how much of the action is real and how much is imaginary in the mind of the frustrated and bored hero at their dumb day job. And this is carried off very carefully... how her cover story is the "phone company" and she always comes into work with the phone bank on the wall, how she has to rephrase her stories for the friend to understand, how her fantasy man is dapper as fuck but still completely non-sexual because that's the place she's at, and so on and so forth. I also love that its a 50s sexism show, but in a totally non-irritating, non-preachy way.
I know it's probably just these 8 episodes, but damn, I'd be in for another season of this.
Actually, looking back on the first week's episodes, the whole 50s sexism bit is kind of preachy. Like, every sympathetic character is either A) an established name (Stark and Jarvis), B) female, or C) the crippled guy. Everyone else is incompetent, a jerk, or evil. Like, seriously, every single male diner customer that speaks is a total douche. Every male SSR member except for the crippled guy is a jerk.
And this week's episode, the first unsympathetic female is, surprise, the landlady telling all the women to be "50's proper". And Krzeminski (had to look up how to spell that) gets to be sympathetic by dying, so, yeah. Though, I guess there was that guy climbing the pipes for that opening gag?
Still, not really an issue, per se, but after you mentioned it, it's kind of like...wow, they really pushed it hard, didn't they?
Still not liking how the series seems confused about being a police procedural. I mean, opening episode establishes that most of the SSR members are WW2 veterans, and yet every single one of them act like career cops.
I do like how they're playing with the Film Noir genre, and essentially having Peggy be the typical Mysterious Woman, except it's all from her perspective. That's also basically the thing that's keeping 80% of the cast relevant to the story.
Sick episode last night! I'm sad though that it's looking like simmons is going to end up on the anti powers side during civil war, which will cause me to hate her character, when I love her currently. Hopefully she comes around cause if not..well....long live...SkyeFitz!!
So what I was worried would turn out to be a one-off nothing episode wasn't at all. Super happy that they're keeping the long-form continuity going.
I really like how successful they've been in turning Fitz and Simmons from inseparable to being what they are now. Worked nicely. As I've said before, I was a bit worried about how they were heading towards more of the super-powers stuff but it's been handled well so far. Was cool to meet a Kree though. I liked how he wasn't just a nameless bad guy and really was doing the right thing for his planet and probably for earth too.
Not sure sending back a Kree sans memories was a good idea though...
On March 11 2015 20:50 Flicky wrote: So what I was worried would turn out to be a one-off nothing episode wasn't at all. Super happy that they're keeping the long-form continuity going.
I really like how successful they've been in turning Fitz and Simmons from inseparable to being what they are now. Worked nicely. As I've said before, I was a bit worried about how they were heading towards more of the super-powers stuff but it's been handled well so far. Was cool to meet a Kree though. I liked how he wasn't just a nameless bad guy and really was doing the right thing for his planet and probably for earth too.
Not sure sending back a Kree sans memories was a good idea though...
Seems more like a "let's close this plot quickly" than a "Let's have this decision come back and bite their butt".
On March 11 2015 20:50 Flicky wrote: As I've said before, I was a bit worried about how they were heading towards more of the super-powers stuff but it's been handled well so far.
This is an odd complaint that I've seen others mention. I want more super powers in the show and hope they go that direction with the introduction of inhumans. This is a marvel show and I want as much marvel lore incorporated into it as they can. I already have stuff like NCIS for non super powers shows. I don't want this show to deal with just normal everyday human stuff and bad guys. I want to see super powers, aliens, etc in it. The more the better.
On March 11 2015 20:50 Flicky wrote: As I've said before, I was a bit worried about how they were heading towards more of the super-powers stuff but it's been handled well so far.
This is an odd complaint that I've seen others mention. I want more super powers in the show and hope they go that direction with the introduction of inhumans. This is a marvel show and I want as much marvel lore incorporated into it as they can. I already have stuff like NCIS for non super powers shows. I don't want this show to deal with just normal everyday human stuff and bad guys. I want to see super powers, aliens, etc in it. The more the better.
Ideally it would be good to have lots of the superhero stuff.
Practically, though, the budget for special effects in TV series, especially CG, is quite terrible, which means most of the superpowers we do see are going to be limited, relegated to the cheap effects like super strength, or really, really bad looking.
On March 11 2015 20:50 Flicky wrote: As I've said before, I was a bit worried about how they were heading towards more of the super-powers stuff but it's been handled well so far.
This is an odd complaint that I've seen others mention. I want more super powers in the show and hope they go that direction with the introduction of inhumans. This is a marvel show and I want as much marvel lore incorporated into it as they can. I already have stuff like NCIS for non super powers shows. I don't want this show to deal with just normal everyday human stuff and bad guys. I want to see super powers, aliens, etc in it. The more the better.
Ideally it would be good to have lots of the superhero stuff.
Practically, though, the budget for special effects in TV series, especially CG, is quite terrible, which means most of the superpowers we do see are going to be limited, relegated to the cheap effects like super strength, or really, really bad looking.
Oh, I understand budget reasons for limiting super powers. I'm more talking about people being opposed to super powers playing a prominent role in the show in the first place. The CG has been done very well though in shield so far.
Nice that they're still sticking with the long-running themes and storylines, annoying that they're forcing a bad-guy of the week, especially on characters that shouldn't be.
Like...your entire storyline is about Kree creating a race of superhumans, and then the first actual Kree shows up for one episode then vanishes just as fast?
Then there was the like D-List bad guys in the next episode that really shouldn't have existed in the first place (okay, a couple were Marvel canon, but still).
On April 03 2015 22:59 Quateras wrote: Surprisingly fun episode, they really stepped it up after the boring first half of season 1. Liking Hunter more and more
the 5 first ep were sooo bad so fcking bad :D but after it's getting better and better
This whole two SHIELDs plot seem ridiculous...like, you think somewhere in between the end of Season 1 and before the total armed, hostile takeover, the other SHIELD could have done anything to express their concerns civilly? Like, maybe making themselves known and consolidating their weakened forces, then deal with the leadership and paranoia issues with like a vote of confidence or something?
But no, let's just let the splinter faction with our moles deal with possible world ending threats involving alien technology, and an entire elite Hydra operation, then charge in with heavy artillery afterwards.
I mean, it's obviously just a way to force Sky out of SHIELD and in with the rest of the Inhumans, but seriously?
but in all seriousness, if you're going to point out these obvious flaws, you could start with the start of s2: they were on the run, hunted by the US A and other forces, and it looked like the whole SHIELD was down to the core team and the three fat brothers. some episodes later they again have a whole agency running w/ equipment and staff.
so if that many SHIELD agents were able to go undetected despite soldiers storming bases left and right, why not an entire carrier. plus: don't ever underestimate Admiral Adama!
On April 04 2015 21:31 Hryul wrote: they have a carrier. your argument is invalid.
but in all seriousness, if you're going to point out these obvious flaws, you could start with the start of s2: they were on the run, hunted by the US A and other forces, and it looked like the whole SHIELD was down to the core team and the three fat brothers. some episodes later they again have a whole agency running w/ equipment and staff.
so if that many SHIELD agents were able to go undetected despite soldiers storming bases left and right, why not an entire carrier. plus: don't ever underestimate Admiral Adama!
Well, there was supposed to be like a several month skip in between s1 and s2? So I can accept that Coulson's SHIELD managed to recruit a bigger team and set up base somewhere.
I don't even mind that there is an aircraft carrier for the second SHIELD.
I don't even mind that there is a second SHIELD.
It's more that they're supposed to have somewhat sympathetic causes, despite you know, being absolutely useless except to screw over the main cast. I think I'd actually be happier with the story if the three leaders just went "Lol, kidding, we're just power hungry assholes" from here on.
plot twist: they were doing all the dirty work while coulson was hunted. we just never saw it. I don't know. maybe they were doing useful stuff offscreen. I mean they are a secret org after all. maybe they had bigger trouble to stay afloat than coulson because they didn't have access to Fury's secrets. (which may or may not include bazillions of dollars) or maybe they knew they had to get rid of Coulson's SHIELD before they got to work. I mean it's not like they were building up "real SHIELD" for years. (half) a year is sufficient for me to not get too suspicions. maybe they are really evil and just play good guys for mockingbird. or maybe it's just lazy writing. we have to wait i guess.
On April 04 2015 21:31 Hryul wrote: they have a carrier. your argument is invalid.
but in all seriousness, if you're going to point out these obvious flaws, you could start with the start of s2: they were on the run, hunted by the US A and other forces, and it looked like the whole SHIELD was down to the core team and the three fat brothers. some episodes later they again have a whole agency running w/ equipment and staff.
so if that many SHIELD agents were able to go undetected despite soldiers storming bases left and right, why not an entire carrier. plus: don't ever underestimate Admiral Adama!
Well, there was supposed to be like a several month skip in between s1 and s2? So I can accept that Coulson's SHIELD managed to recruit a bigger team and set up base somewhere.
I don't even mind that there is an aircraft carrier for the second SHIELD.
I don't even mind that there is a second SHIELD.
It's more that they're supposed to have somewhat sympathetic causes, despite you know, being absolutely useless except to screw over the main cast. I think I'd actually be happier with the story if the three leaders just went "Lol, kidding, we're just power hungry assholes" from here on.
Remember Victoria Hand's position on Coulson's team in Turn, Turn, Turn? That was the latest opinion of him that SHIELD higher-ups shared before it collapsed. Add to it that they discovered exactly what happened to him when he died and that he went crazy for a time afterwards and they're right to be concerned. The only way they can restart what they see as the "real" SHIELD is if they get Nick Fury's toolbox, and that required subtlety rather than force.
The real plot hole is how damned long it took for them to find it.
On April 04 2015 21:31 Hryul wrote: they have a carrier. your argument is invalid.
but in all seriousness, if you're going to point out these obvious flaws, you could start with the start of s2: they were on the run, hunted by the US A and other forces, and it looked like the whole SHIELD was down to the core team and the three fat brothers. some episodes later they again have a whole agency running w/ equipment and staff.
so if that many SHIELD agents were able to go undetected despite soldiers storming bases left and right, why not an entire carrier. plus: don't ever underestimate Admiral Adama!
Well, there was supposed to be like a several month skip in between s1 and s2? So I can accept that Coulson's SHIELD managed to recruit a bigger team and set up base somewhere.
I don't even mind that there is an aircraft carrier for the second SHIELD.
I don't even mind that there is a second SHIELD.
It's more that they're supposed to have somewhat sympathetic causes, despite you know, being absolutely useless except to screw over the main cast. I think I'd actually be happier with the story if the three leaders just went "Lol, kidding, we're just power hungry assholes" from here on.
Remember Victoria Hand's position on Coulson's team in Turn, Turn, Turn? That was the latest opinion of him that SHIELD higher-ups shared before it collapsed. Add to it that they discovered exactly what happened to him when he died and that he went crazy for a time afterwards and they're right to be concerned. The only way they can restart what they see as the "real" SHIELD is if they get Nick Fury's toolbox, and that required subtlety rather than force.
The real plot hole is how damned long it took for them to find it.
Oh, I get the concern over Coulson. Even with viewer perspective the guy's an extreme enabler.
But he hasn't done much to justify halving SHIELDs operational power, requiring covert infiltration from day 1, or armed hostile takeover as the first and only option. Only genuine complaint would be about how he handled the Whitehall and Alien City situation...except the second SHIELD twiddling their thumbs during it puts just as much blame on them.
So yeah, I mean, not liking Coulson as leader, cool. Going from passive-and-silent to gun-to-the-head in an instant? Quite stupid.
Guys its a tv show based on a comic book. If the source material is riddled with such issues, I have a hard time thinking that we should complain about it in a tv show based on them.
On April 05 2015 08:30 Jaaaaasper wrote: Guys its a tv show based on a comic book. If the source material is riddled with such issues, I have a hard time thinking that we should complain about it in a tv show based on them.
Well, the joy of adapting to another media is that you can remove the trash and try to polish what you have. Then again, it's Live Action TV, which isn't exactly a polished medium in the first place.
But really, the only reason I'm complaining is because the second half of season 1 and first half of season 2 were actually quite good. And we went from two fairly subtle villains in Ward and Dr. Hyde, plus a decent shadowy leader in Whitehall, and now we've got a group of completely unsubtle supposed "good guys" being really stupid.
Because she showed up to break up the fight @ Raina's sans scars, but showed up to reveal that yes, this is in fact Skye's mom WITH scars when she talked to Cal. The preview for the next episodes shows the one with scars training Skye. So either there was an editor fail or all of the "elders" look exactly like each other and are actually immortal.
On April 08 2015 21:30 Complete wrote: the fotzsimmons thing was predictable, but still awesome
Guess I'm getting old :D Didn't think it was that predictable, i honestly thought she'd switch side simply to break up the team in line for the Future of that Captain America civil war story thingy.(based on the previous episodes and her stances about people with power etc.)
On April 08 2015 21:30 Complete wrote: the fotzsimmons thing was predictable, but still awesome
Guess I'm getting old :D Didn't think it was that predictable, i honestly thought she'd switch side simply to break up the team in line for the Future of that Captain America civil war story thingy.(based on the previous episodes and her stances about people with power etc.)
The big tip off was the line: "She wouldn't do that unless..." followed by gears turning. Was a secret sciencey signal that no one else would understand.
Anyone else notice that all of Fitz's brain damage symptoms have disappeared over the last couple of episodes?
On April 08 2015 21:30 Complete wrote: the fotzsimmons thing was predictable, but still awesome
Guess I'm getting old :D Didn't think it was that predictable, i honestly thought she'd switch side simply to break up the team in line for the Future of that Captain America civil war story thingy.(based on the previous episodes and her stances about people with power etc.)
The big tip off was the line: "She wouldn't do that unless..." followed by gears turning. Was a secret sciencey signal that no one else would understand.
Anyone else notice that all of Fitz's brain damage symptoms have disappeared over the last couple of episodes?
Over the whole season, slowly he has been improving, but yeah, now he seems almost normal.
Did you guys find it weird/odd/creepy as well that Skye's father used the exact same words to describe her birth as her mother did?Like word for word o.o.
On April 16 2015 18:19 Quateras wrote: Did you guys find it weird/odd/creepy as well that Skye's father used the exact same words to describe her birth as her mother did?Like word for word o.o.
Nice to finally find out what happened to May.
It wasn't word for word but it was very similar. And that is not strange, when my wife and me tell a story of the night our kid was born, it is also very similar because we were together when it happened.
On April 21 2015 18:26 VelJa wrote: Am I the only one to think that the place where the Inhumas are trained are not on Earth? It's strange a place that no one knows so structured...
China is huge, there is no reason not to use some rarely travelled region for this "school".
On April 21 2015 18:26 VelJa wrote: Am I the only one to think that the place where the Inhumas are trained are not on Earth? It's strange a place that no one knows so structured...
China is huge, there is no reason not to use some rarely travelled region for this "school".
yeah but ..... why don't they just run away so ? Why do they have to wait the blind guy to TP them away ?
On April 21 2015 18:26 VelJa wrote: Am I the only one to think that the place where the Inhumas are trained are not on Earth? It's strange a place that no one knows so structured...
China is huge, there is no reason not to use some rarely travelled region for this "school".
yeah but ..... why don't they just run away so ? Why do they have to wait the blind guy to TP them away ?
Maybe so nobody can follow them incase they want to return to the place?
Its pretty much untraceable where the blind guy brings people to so its super secure, allowing them to leave and get back by car/plane/foot propably puts the place into danger?
On April 21 2015 18:26 VelJa wrote: Am I the only one to think that the place where the Inhumas are trained are not on Earth? It's strange a place that no one knows so structured...
China is huge, there is no reason not to use some rarely travelled region for this "school".
yeah but ..... why don't they just run away so ? Why do they have to wait the blind guy to TP them away ?
Run away where? With what tools and food? It is about the same question as if they are on a deserted island and you ask "why don't they swim away?"
Also it was said, everyone is there on their own free will. The location is more about others not finding them.
On April 21 2015 18:26 VelJa wrote: Am I the only one to think that the place where the Inhumas are trained are not on Earth? It's strange a place that no one knows so structured...
China is huge, there is no reason not to use some rarely travelled region for this "school".
yeah but ..... why don't they just run away so ? Why do they have to wait the blind guy to TP them away ?
Run away where? With what tools and food? It is about the same question as if they are on a deserted island and you ask "why don't they swim away?"
Also it was said, everyone is there on their own free will. The location is more about others not finding them.
they have fucking POWERS they don't need tools.
nvm
It's just that this place is more a prison than a school (Skye's dad, raina, even Skye) so I'm pretty sure she has to escape
On April 21 2015 18:26 VelJa wrote: Am I the only one to think that the place where the Inhumas are trained are not on Earth? It's strange a place that no one knows so structured...
China is huge, there is no reason not to use some rarely travelled region for this "school".
yeah but ..... why don't they just run away so ? Why do they have to wait the blind guy to TP them away ?
Run away where? With what tools and food? It is about the same question as if they are on a deserted island and you ask "why don't they swim away?"
Also it was said, everyone is there on their own free will. The location is more about others not finding them.
they have fucking POWERS they don't need tools.
nvm
It's just that this place is more a prison than a school (Skye's dad, raina, even Skye) so I'm pretty sure she has to escape
Who has powers? Only Raina, Sky and the boy with electricity have powers, none of those help with mountain climbing without food or shelter while avoiding animals. I could possible see Raina survive that as she can fight without weapons and move faster but I doubt she has survival skills needed to walk out of there alive.
On April 21 2015 18:26 VelJa wrote: Am I the only one to think that the place where the Inhumas are trained are not on Earth? It's strange a place that no one knows so structured...
China is huge, there is no reason not to use some rarely travelled region for this "school".
yeah but ..... why don't they just run away so ? Why do they have to wait the blind guy to TP them away ?
Run away where? With what tools and food? It is about the same question as if they are on a deserted island and you ask "why don't they swim away?"
Also it was said, everyone is there on their own free will. The location is more about others not finding them.
they have fucking POWERS they don't need tools.
nvm
It's just that this place is more a prison than a school (Skye's dad, raina, even Skye) so I'm pretty sure she has to escape
Who has powers? Only Raina, Sky and the boy with electricity have powers, none of those help with mountain climbing without food or shelter while avoiding animals. I could possible see Raina survive that as she can fight without weapons and move faster but I doubt she has survival skills needed to walk out of there alive.
Well maybe I misunderstand some shit but I'm pretty sure that some students (not all) are awaken too. Skye's daddy has powers too (but not from the mist)
On April 21 2015 18:26 VelJa wrote: Am I the only one to think that the place where the Inhumas are trained are not on Earth? It's strange a place that no one knows so structured...
China is huge, there is no reason not to use some rarely travelled region for this "school".
yeah but ..... why don't they just run away so ? Why do they have to wait the blind guy to TP them away ?
Run away where? With what tools and food? It is about the same question as if they are on a deserted island and you ask "why don't they swim away?"
Also it was said, everyone is there on their own free will. The location is more about others not finding them.
they have fucking POWERS they don't need tools.
nvm
It's just that this place is more a prison than a school (Skye's dad, raina, even Skye) so I'm pretty sure she has to escape
Who has powers? Only Raina, Sky and the boy with electricity have powers, none of those help with mountain climbing without food or shelter while avoiding animals. I could possible see Raina survive that as she can fight without weapons and move faster but I doubt she has survival skills needed to walk out of there alive.
Well maybe I misunderstand some shit but I'm pretty sure that some students (not all) are awaken too. Skye's daddy has powers too (but not from the mist)
They said the students there are humans with inhuman genetic traits waiting to be chosen to go through the mist.
Skye's dad is a prisoner there and will obviously not go anywhere in any way.
On April 21 2015 18:26 VelJa wrote: Am I the only one to think that the place where the Inhumas are trained are not on Earth? It's strange a place that no one knows so structured...
China is huge, there is no reason not to use some rarely travelled region for this "school".
yeah but ..... why don't they just run away so ? Why do they have to wait the blind guy to TP them away ?
Run away where? With what tools and food? It is about the same question as if they are on a deserted island and you ask "why don't they swim away?"
Also it was said, everyone is there on their own free will. The location is more about others not finding them.
they have fucking POWERS they don't need tools.
nvm
It's just that this place is more a prison than a school (Skye's dad, raina, even Skye) so I'm pretty sure she has to escape
Who has powers? Only Raina, Sky and the boy with electricity have powers, none of those help with mountain climbing without food or shelter while avoiding animals. I could possible see Raina survive that as she can fight without weapons and move faster but I doubt she has survival skills needed to walk out of there alive.
Well maybe I misunderstand some shit but I'm pretty sure that some students (not all) are awaken too. Skye's daddy has powers too (but not from the mist)
They said the students there are humans with inhuman genetic traits waiting to be chosen to go through the mist.
Skye's dad is a prisoner there and will obviously not go anywhere in any way.
We'll see dude we'll see but I'm pretty sure that we have other inhumans in this prison
On April 21 2015 18:26 VelJa wrote: Am I the only one to think that the place where the Inhumas are trained are not on Earth? It's strange a place that no one knows so structured...
China is huge, there is no reason not to use some rarely travelled region for this "school".
yeah but ..... why don't they just run away so ? Why do they have to wait the blind guy to TP them away ?
Run away where? With what tools and food? It is about the same question as if they are on a deserted island and you ask "why don't they swim away?"
Also it was said, everyone is there on their own free will. The location is more about others not finding them.
they have fucking POWERS they don't need tools.
nvm
It's just that this place is more a prison than a school (Skye's dad, raina, even Skye) so I'm pretty sure she has to escape
Who has powers? Only Raina, Sky and the boy with electricity have powers, none of those help with mountain climbing without food or shelter while avoiding animals. I could possible see Raina survive that as she can fight without weapons and move faster but I doubt she has survival skills needed to walk out of there alive.
Well maybe I misunderstand some shit but I'm pretty sure that some students (not all) are awaken too. Skye's daddy has powers too (but not from the mist)
They said the students there are humans with inhuman genetic traits waiting to be chosen to go through the mist.
Skye's dad is a prisoner there and will obviously not go anywhere in any way.
We'll see dude we'll see but I'm pretty sure that we have other inhumans in this prison
Inhumans have other places to keep prisoners. Skye's dad is only there because Skye's mother runs the place and she promised him to have one dinner with Skye.
Welp, they cliffhangered the shit out of this episode. If they have another Deathlok brainwashing to become a bad guy again I'm gonna be pissed. He switches sides practically every other episode. It will be interesting to see if the Scarlet Witch and Quicksliver show up given that they're supposed to be at Strucker's place which seems to be where all this is heading.
On April 22 2015 12:05 deth2munkies wrote: Welp, they cliffhangered the shit out of this episode. If they have another Deathlok brainwashing to become a bad guy again I'm gonna be pissed. He switches sides practically every other episode. It will be interesting to see if the Scarlet Witch and Quicksliver show up given that they're supposed to be at Strucker's place which seems to be where all this is heading.
They won't show up, it's just lead-in to the Avengers Movie that's coming out in like 2 weeks.
Nice that we're back to Ward/Cal/Hydra lead storyline's, so much better than this double SHIELD stuff.
On April 22 2015 12:05 deth2munkies wrote: Welp, they cliffhangered the shit out of this episode. If they have another Deathlok brainwashing to become a bad guy again I'm gonna be pissed. He switches sides practically every other episode. It will be interesting to see if the Scarlet Witch and Quicksliver show up given that they're supposed to be at Strucker's place which seems to be where all this is heading.
They won't show up, it's just lead-in to the Avengers Movie that's coming out in like 2 weeks.
Nice that we're back to Ward/Cal/Hydra lead storyline's, so much better than this double SHIELD stuff.
Well that storyline will come to a head since they have Coulson, but I doubt they'll just end it there.
So I have managed to watch as far as S02E13. I just can't continue, the show is so bad, and I've been trying to overlook the errors without success.
The SHIELD is just a lesser of evils, and it seems only Fitz is a likeable character, and of course Ward. Coulson and his team are all about "Millions may die"/"safety of civilianz". Seriously who gives a shit? I thought this idea on TV would die with jack bauer and his 24. This show made me not go to the theatre and watch the new Avengers, I guess it's just another fireworks on the screen kind of movie, like a desktop saver.
So I have managed to watch as far as S02E13. I just can't continue, the show is so bad, and I've been trying to overlook the errors without success.
The SHIELD is just a lesser of evils, and it seems only Fitz is a likeable character, and of course Ward. Coulson and his team are all about "Millions may die"/"safety of civilianz". Seriously who gives a shit? I thought this idea on TV would die with jack bauer and his 24. This show made me not go to the theatre and watch the new Avengers, I guess it's just another fireworks on the screen kind of movie, like a desktop saver.
Yeah, sounds like the superhero genre is not your thing. Ever watched 7 Samurai? Those guys don't give a rats ass about civilians.
So I have managed to watch as far as S02E13. I just can't continue, the show is so bad, and I've been trying to overlook the errors without success.
The SHIELD is just a lesser of evils, and it seems only Fitz is a likeable character, and of course Ward. Coulson and his team are all about "Millions may die"/"safety of civilianz". Seriously who gives a shit? I thought this idea on TV would die with jack bauer and his 24. This show made me not go to the theatre and watch the new Avengers, I guess it's just another fireworks on the screen kind of movie, like a desktop saver.
Yeah, sounds like the superhero genre is not your thing. Ever watched 7 Samurai? Those guys don't give a rats ass about civilians.
I did like f.ex The Green Lantern. I feel the story didn't revolve around civilians and morality, but rather the character development overcoming and admitting fears. Man of Steel, it's been a while since I saw it, but I remember it was good. I think SHIELD is just on the offensive when it comes to doing the "right thing", the good soldier, getting on an index (and they don't give a shit about those who gets there), and have plenty of weak characters, and the strong ones are the villains. It's hard to watch the main characters and wanting them to burn in a fire. Is forgiveness completely alien to these guys? Or a change of heart? Fitz helping Skye was good (the alien dna), I really was hoping for more like that, but it's too rare.
I'll check out the 7 samurai Matrix is amazingly deep and fun, and yes, I fucking love it.
the new Avengers base from Age of Ultron. That was kinda anticlimactic. Was also hoping that at least Edward James Olmos would show up on the carrier since ostensibly it's HIS helicarrier they're using.
So I have managed to watch as far as S02E13. I just can't continue, the show is so bad, and I've been trying to overlook the errors without success.
The SHIELD is just a lesser of evils, and it seems only Fitz is a likeable character, and of course Ward. Coulson and his team are all about "Millions may die"/"safety of civilianz". Seriously who gives a shit? I thought this idea on TV would die with jack bauer and his 24. This show made me not go to the theatre and watch the new Avengers, I guess it's just another fireworks on the screen kind of movie, like a desktop saver.
So I have managed to watch as far as S02E13. I just can't continue, the show is so bad, and I've been trying to overlook the errors without success.
The SHIELD is just a lesser of evils, and it seems only Fitz is a likeable character, and of course Ward. Coulson and his team are all about "Millions may die"/"safety of civilianz". Seriously who gives a shit? I thought this idea on TV would die with jack bauer and his 24. This show made me not go to the theatre and watch the new Avengers, I guess it's just another fireworks on the screen kind of movie, like a desktop saver.
Go watch Daredevil series on Netflix.
Daredevil is even worse than Agents on the morality front. 30% of every episode is characters soliloquizing about "MY CITY" and how best to "PROTECT MAH CITY" and how "HELL'S KITCHEN DESERVES BETTER!" I found that part incredibly tiring and easily the worst part of the series. Fights and character moments were good though.
So I have managed to watch as far as S02E13. I just can't continue, the show is so bad, and I've been trying to overlook the errors without success.
The SHIELD is just a lesser of evils, and it seems only Fitz is a likeable character, and of course Ward. Coulson and his team are all about "Millions may die"/"safety of civilianz". Seriously who gives a shit? I thought this idea on TV would die with jack bauer and his 24. This show made me not go to the theatre and watch the new Avengers, I guess it's just another fireworks on the screen kind of movie, like a desktop saver.
Go watch Daredevil series on Netflix.
Daredevil is even worse than Agents on the morality front. 30% of every episode is characters soliloquizing about "MY CITY" and how best to "PROTECT MAH CITY" and how "HELL'S KITCHEN DESERVES BETTER!" I found that part incredibly tiring and easily the worst part of the series. Fights and character moments were good though.
Except he has a reason for that. He is doing the whole thing because of it, he is not a professional military/spy agency like SHIELD with "unlimited" resources and specially picked members.
And then we find out he enjoys kicking bad guys in the face and the whole thing is made better and more believable than any other Marvel TV show or movie.
So I have managed to watch as far as S02E13. I just can't continue, the show is so bad, and I've been trying to overlook the errors without success.
The SHIELD is just a lesser of evils, and it seems only Fitz is a likeable character, and of course Ward. Coulson and his team are all about "Millions may die"/"safety of civilianz". Seriously who gives a shit? I thought this idea on TV would die with jack bauer and his 24. This show made me not go to the theatre and watch the new Avengers, I guess it's just another fireworks on the screen kind of movie, like a desktop saver.
Go watch Daredevil series on Netflix.
Daredevil is even worse than Agents on the morality front. 30% of every episode is characters soliloquizing about "MY CITY" and how best to "PROTECT MAH CITY" and how "HELL'S KITCHEN DESERVES BETTER!" I found that part incredibly tiring and easily the worst part of the series. Fights and character moments were good though.
Except he has a reason for that. He is doing the whole thing because of it, he is not a professional military/spy agency like SHIELD with "unlimited" resources and specially picked members.
And then we find out he enjoys kicking bad guys in the face and the whole thing is made better and more believable than any other Marvel TV show or movie.
That's why the monologues feel so out of place, because the rest of it is like that.
On May 04 2015 07:59 Requizen wrote: If you don't want a story about saving people and morality, maybe don't watch shows about superheroes??
That's the thing: we accept that a superhero is doing the right thing because they're a superhero. They don't need to spout vague bullshit every single episode to convince us that they're the good guy.
On May 04 2015 07:59 Requizen wrote: If you don't want a story about saving people and morality, maybe don't watch shows about superheroes??
That's the thing: we accept that a superhero is doing the right thing because they're a superhero. They don't need to spout vague bullshit every single episode to convince us that they're the good guy.
That is your opinion, thankfully most people praise how DD was made including those monologues.
On May 04 2015 07:59 Requizen wrote: If you don't want a story about saving people and morality, maybe don't watch shows about superheroes??
That's the thing: we accept that a superhero is doing the right thing because they're a superhero. They don't need to spout vague bullshit every single episode to convince us that they're the good guy.
Exactly this. And there are superhero shows/movies that are good. Batman is an example, as Gotham is just feasting on its civilians, you actually side with Batman saving the city without stupid ass speeches, not because you want to save millions, but you want the condition for the already living to be better.
I can take a lot of bullshit from a show, and I really tried with SHIELD, I just need to let this one go. I will check out Daredevil, and just smile at the dialogues about "MAH CITY". But is there any character development at all with Daredevil guy so far?
On May 04 2015 07:59 Requizen wrote: If you don't want a story about saving people and morality, maybe don't watch shows about superheroes??
That's the thing: we accept that a superhero is doing the right thing because they're a superhero. They don't need to spout vague bullshit every single episode to convince us that they're the good guy.
That is your opinion, thankfully most people praise how DD was made including those monologues.
On May 04 2015 07:59 Requizen wrote: If you don't want a story about saving people and morality, maybe don't watch shows about superheroes??
That's the thing: we accept that a superhero is doing the right thing because they're a superhero. They don't need to spout vague bullshit every single episode to convince us that they're the good guy.
That is your opinion, thankfully most people praise how DD was made including those monologues.
On May 04 2015 07:59 Requizen wrote: If you don't want a story about saving people and morality, maybe don't watch shows about superheroes??
That's the thing: we accept that a superhero is doing the right thing because they're a superhero. They don't need to spout vague bullshit every single episode to convince us that they're the good guy.
That is your opinion, thankfully most people praise how DD was made including those monologues.
On May 07 2015 02:17 -Archangel- wrote: Telling someone you learned about yesterday to let you mark them or you will come in with weapons is not being friendly. It is just being a bully.
I know which side of captain america civil war you'll be on :O
On May 07 2015 02:17 -Archangel- wrote: Telling someone you learned about yesterday to let you mark them or you will come in with weapons is not being friendly. It is just being a bully.
I know which side of captain america civil war you'll be on :O
You bet! Fuck Stark! At least in comics they have 2 of couple of the smartest people on Earth use Math to "prove" they are right, I bet the movie is going to give a crappy explanation just like AoU was crappy in story or any logic.
The whole Civil War thing always had the issue of rehashing the tired old X-Men themes...except this time you're suppose to treat both sides equally. You know, despite having 5 decades of X-Men comics comparing Mutant registration to the Holocaust and stuff...
The Movieverse is even worse, because you don't have hundreds of superheroes and villains and mutants and resident aliens threatening the world on a daily basis, you just have a handful that are threatening but low-scale, and the actual threats to the planet involve 1) Hydra, which is almost entirely humans, 2) Aliens that only show up on Earth when they're invading, and 3) human scientists being ego-fucks and creating doomsday weapons.
So yeah, I'm pretty sure the civil war story will fall flat if they actually try to make it a grey morality thing.
I get the feeling that everything except the ending teaser was shot with the anticipation that there'd be no 3rd season. I'm glad there is, though. Skye will probably get her codename Quake and we'll get to see them go around in a slightly more serialized fashion recruiting new inhumans that took the fish oil.
What I don't get, though, is how that Fish Oil isn't just going to kill every human that takes it given the tainted crystals that kill everybody are the ones that leaked into the fish...
Anyone notice that Fitz talking to Simmons at the end was the first time in 8-9 episodes that he actually stammered?
I'm hoping that this leads to mutated Simmons just because shes probably the most anti powered person on the team. That being said the whole make Fitz suffer thing could work. And I doubt any of that was filmed in the line of thinking that there was no third season because even with the weak first season critically ratings wise it was doing well and the contract for it was for 4 or 5 seasons iirc. No way ABC kills a popular show even if it sucks, much less if its reviews were getting better.
I get the feeling that everything except the ending teaser was shot with the anticipation that there'd be no 3rd season. I'm glad there is, though. Skye will probably get her codename Quake and we'll get to see them go around in a slightly more serialized fashion recruiting new inhumans that took the fish oil.
What I don't get, though, is how that Fish Oil isn't just going to kill every human that takes it given the tainted crystals that kill everybody are the ones that leaked into the fish...
Anyone notice that Fitz talking to Simmons at the end was the first time in 8-9 episodes that he actually stammered?
"Science biatch".
If the fish oil doesn't kill everyone, it's easy to explain away. Only the metal part was lethal and the crystal part was totally harmless. If they go the direction of only the crystal part leaking into the fish then the fish oil will be harmless to humans but will unlock a lot of latent inhumans.
This finale was sick. Poor Skye though. Got to finally meet her mom only to find out she's a monster who even tried to kill her. Nice redemption for raina and cal but kind of sad they had to Tahiti cal since he loves Skye so much.
Poor Fitz! There are theories out there about what happens to Simmons. One is that she's transported somewhere. Another is that she's given anti inhumans powers since she was so against people with powers in the show. There's a woman on one of the secret warriors team named Lynn Richards http://marvel.wikia.com/Lynn_Richards_(Earth-616) that can suppress the powers of people. Therefore, if the show goes that route Simmons can have those powers and be on Skye's secret warriors team.
So you have this DANGEROUS Kree weapon that is constantly changing shapes and moving around and let's only have one TINY security latch to keep it contained.
man, I can't believe how ballsy the scenaristic choices of this show are. I mean, I thought it was to be a harmless little show showing shield vs various bad guys, and damn, how wrong I was. Not saying it's perfect, but i was really not expecting that kind of "let's fuck up everything we built two episode ago" in a mainstream show
what if Fitz opened the box on purpose because he is still mad with Simmons and all that swag was just to make her sloppy and not cautious around the box? Is FItz the next super villain? o.O
lol
btw, the scene with Mack and Coulson was hilarious to me, before I could be mad with no one doing what Mack eventually would do, he did it!
It remains wierdly uneven. The awesome parts are some of the best stuff on TV. The lame parts are up there for the lamest. "Do what?" "Begin" is on my list of stupidest cliffhanger dialogues of all time.
But maybe that's the point: it's trying to be not a great TV show, but a great comic. So parts of it are weak for a TV show, but would be allowable/excusable in a comic (or, for that matter an RPG). The cheesiness is part of the point. I'm not sure.
Simultaneous to that, it is constantly doing the kinds of gutsy things I wish action shows did more, killing off important and likable characters, having legitimately suprising betrayals (okay, not in a while, but Ward definitely caught me by surprise right when I thought they were too predictable about Skye/Ward's relationship. Garret less so, but better than some shows. Even the Ward/Girlfriend bit at the end was mildly surprising, mostly because the show does have face-heel turns like that all the time.)
Also, if I were doing a CinemaSins of this, I would definitely have a "Star Wars References" bonus round complete with shot-by-shot comparisons. There were a lot. Very conscious homage for some reason.
For future reference: the Captain America: Civil War trailer that leaked had a line mentioning that "...Coulson has SHIELD. What do you have?" Which means that the show and the movies are going to cross over to a greater degree very soon.
I was concerned that the weird black demon guy was Blackheart, and thought such a badass villain had been fucked up all over again (after the Ghost Rider debacle).
Happy to see that he's just some minor B-villain Inhuman character.
i'm not sure if it's me but i think this show gets far to much flack for minor things. if you guys watch this show AND watch arrow / flash you'll start to see how this show paces the story far better than both.
even the things people complain about to me AREN'T that bad. like corny dialogue by coulson. it feels genuine and fits with the character. the fodder hero in this series doesn't feel as VAST as the fodder in arrow or flash. maybe it's the CGI, maybe it's the acting, maybe it's the writing i can't pin point it, but it feels far less in this show.
and i'm not sure if it's only mean but i always burst out laughing at + Show Spoiler +
a hand chopping moment. maybe because of the way tragic accident is always built up, it happens randomly, it's not like a SAW movie build up, it's spontaneous. i laughed just as hard in game of thrones when jamie lannister got his hand chopped.
I guess I'll also ask the obvious question. Why did Lash let Skye/Daisy live? Would've been easy for him to just walk back to the truck and finish her off.
As for Andrew, Ward would've likely let him die anyway since he wanted May to suffer for getting him to shoot his own gf.
On October 22 2015 16:50 Thezzy wrote: Decent episode, although Hunter is getting a bit overzealous and suddenly suffers from Stormtrooper Syndrome at the last minute.
I guess I'll also ask the obvious question. Why did Lash let Skye/Daisy live? Would've been easy for him to just walk back to the truck and finish her off.
As for Andrew, Ward would've likely let him die anyway since he wanted May to suffer for getting him to shoot his own gf.
Yeah, that seems to be way intentionally left open. My guess is + Show Spoiler +
they staged his death, either to use him later or because the Von Strucker kid is having second thoughts
I have really liked the 3 episodes so far! The only complaint I might have is that it seems a little unfocused, we have 3 main plots going on (Lash/ATCU, Jemma and the Monolith, and hunting down Ward) and a handful of subplots (Bobbie's recovery, May's marriage, the Secret Warrior team, etc) and it kind of feels like none is getting enough screen time yet. Hopefully one or all will finish/consolidate soon.
But overall good impressions from me. I really like the direction the show has taken, there's a more serious vibe while still having some lighthearted moments, and Ward is still a pretty solid bad guy in my book.
On October 23 2015 00:20 Requizen wrote: Yeah, that seems to be way intentionally left open. My guess is + Show Spoiler +
they staged his death, either to use him later or because the Von Strucker kid is having second thoughts
I have really liked the 3 episodes so far! The only complaint I might have is that it seems a little unfocused, we have 3 main plots going on (Lash/ATCU, Jemma and the Monolith, and hunting down Ward) and a handful of subplots (Bobbie's recovery, May's marriage, the Secret Warrior team, etc) and it kind of feels like none is getting enough screen time yet. Hopefully one or all will finish/consolidate soon.
But overall good impressions from me. I really like the direction the show has taken, there's a more serious vibe while still having some lighthearted moments, and Ward is still a pretty solid bad guy in my book.
In general I dislike how quickly the Ward line escalated. And also how was May able to track that location down? Jemma on a backburner fits pretty well to set up the next issue they face, and preparing the secret team goes hand-in-hand with the ATCU plotline so I'm good with all that. Bobbie's stuff is character development, not really a substantive issue with the plot imo. I agree with hoping that they focus a bit more soon because the episodes are getting kind of scattered.
On October 22 2015 16:50 Thezzy wrote: Decent episode, although Hunter is getting a bit overzealous and suddenly suffers from Stormtrooper Syndrome at the last minute.
I guess I'll also ask the obvious question. Why did Lash let Skye/Daisy live? Would've been easy for him to just walk back to the truck and finish her off.
As for Andrew, Ward would've likely let him die anyway since he wanted May to suffer for getting him to shoot his own gf.
I was wondering that as well, since we didn't see a face, but we did see a pool of blood. If it was staged, there is little point to have a pool of blood and May already assumes Andrew died so there is nothing in it for Ward to keep him for the purpose of hurting May. Given the scared reaction of Strucker, could it be that Andrew is actually quite the field agent and owned those guys and that it wasn't his blood? Would explain Strucker running other than just for the explosion. Or, the pool of blood was actually just Andrew's and he did die and just left it open because it was the end of the episode.
On October 22 2015 16:50 Thezzy wrote: Decent episode, although Hunter is getting a bit overzealous and suddenly suffers from Stormtrooper Syndrome at the last minute.
I guess I'll also ask the obvious question. Why did Lash let Skye/Daisy live? Would've been easy for him to just walk back to the truck and finish her off.
As for Andrew, Ward would've likely let him die anyway since he wanted May to suffer for getting him to shoot his own gf.
Andrew knows every single Inhuman that was brought in and considered for the team. He got pissed with Coulson when he found out there were Inhumans kept from him. He let Daisy live, the only Inhuman he's thus-far vetted. He disappeared randomly while vacationing with May, probably around the time the Terragen spread started.
And now he's "dead" without a body being seen, with the Von Strucker kid scared shitless in a situation that should've been an easy murder.
If it's not him, then they're forcing a red herring quite hard.
Errr, worst episode of the whole show so far. Writing so bad it's not even funny. Blabla, alien planet, lone girl just randomly happen to fall in the lap of an Astronaut who's 28, but been there 14 years, who happens to look like a model. Just to piss people off they make her fall, so she can keep fucking with Fitz feelings, bleh.
I thought the episode was good. The isolationism/exploration parts were good, and Elizabeth Henstridge is a pretty solid actress imo (also fairly hot).
I don't like the introduction of a love triangle. I hope it doesn't become that, because that is really something the show does not need.
Her survival and decisions were very questionable. You don't wait for 72 hours without water on alien planet and then go do hard walking while your body is already exausted from no food or water. I did a couple of 24 without food and only water days and you are fucking tired after that. She was 3 days with nothing and then walked through hard terrain for 30+ hours. WTF. Not even fucking Rambo can do that. Maybe Chuck Norris.
I liked it actually, thought it was well written and well acted. Pretty impressive and complete stranded in an inhospitable location story considering they only have like 40 minutes.
The amount of hours initially passed made no sense (100 hours without water? really? on a desert planet?) even if there was some kind of S.H.I.E.L.D. training or whatever. The love triangle would be meh and does going back really add anything to the main plot?
On October 29 2015 03:15 Requizen wrote: Well it was clear that she expected Fitz to open it up right behind her and follow, so that's why she waited in one place.
I know what she said, but it does not make the episode any less stupid
I don't like the love triangle route because the writers just keep finding new ways to fuck fitz! At least the ending showed Will is a liar and most likely evil, so should get rid of the love triangle, but it was still needless drama introduced. Why hasn't fitz patented that smart phone battery he made and sold it for millions?!!
On October 30 2015 01:59 Canucklehead wrote: I don't like the love triangle route because the writers just keep finding new ways to fuck fitz! At least the ending showed Will is a liar and most likely evil, so should get rid of the love triangle, but it was still needless drama introduced. Why hasn't fitz patented that smart phone battery he made and sold it for millions?!!
On October 30 2015 01:59 Canucklehead wrote: I don't like the love triangle route because the writers just keep finding new ways to fuck fitz! At least the ending showed Will is a liar and most likely evil, so should get rid of the love triangle, but it was still needless drama introduced. Why hasn't fitz patented that smart phone battery he made and sold it for millions?!!
Haha, yeah I was mainly kidding. I'm just glad the writers thought about that phone battery cause at the beginning I was like how is that battery lasting a month even if she barely uses it?! I'm like that phone should be dead within the first 72 hours at least! Then simmons mentioned fitz made the battery for her so the writers weren't the only ones to think how unrealistic that was. She used it for months and then it still had enough juice to power a laptop for hours, lol! Best battery ever!
I feel like Will is going to be less important than the thing on the other side. I bet it makes it back with them and becomes a major villain for the end of the season.
so will jemma end up being preggers? seeing as they spent a month or two together after hooking up on a planet with alot of time to kill and i doubt jemma or the all male nasa team had any birth control with them, maybe everything will end with fitz raising their children lol
On November 02 2015 00:35 Makenshi wrote: so will jemma end up being preggers? seeing as they spent a month or two together after hooking up on a planet with alot of time to kill and i doubt jemma or the all male nasa team had any birth control with them, maybe everything will end with fitz raising their children lol
Not if they thought through this and didn't want jemma to get pregnant there. I can imagine she thought about that and used alternative methods, unreliable indeed, to stay out of pregnancy. I mean... Giving birth there is probably not a good idea...
But that is if we search for credibility, and again, that is a sci-fi show..
i actually have grown to despise jemma's character. it first started when i noticed they were opting for the emma watson stereotype from harry potter, it was OK at first but this girl is a liability and needs to die off and fast.
but if i were to be honest here, my god does her behavior sicken me. i'm just going to address the elephant in the room, but HOW DO YOU NOT GIVE THE GUY WHO OPENED A PORTAL AND SAVED YOU, A LAY? not only did he suffer brain damage AFTER sacrificing himself the first time due to oxygen deprivation to the brain, he had to suffer being ridiculed and isolated because he couldn't even form a proper sentence or thought in recovery which seemed at the time, to be permanent. He not only came back from that, to eventually save you AGAIN, AND gave you a phone that lasted a month, you go and give it up to a dude who chains you up and feeds you like a dog? and you shun him on the first date just to tell him you want him to support you in going back to save the dude who fuked your girl? fitz has every right to leave this guy to fuk death. the dude saved you twice and got brain damage....i know nice guys finish last but holy shit this is some new level of crazy.
i'm not a misogynist i'm really not, but either marvel writers are geniuses and know how to portray similar behavior of people in reality or i'm crazy. they hit the nail right on the head of an unfaithful psychopathic woman in the 21st century. i love how they also show jemma choosing her new found lay over her memories of her family (using her phone) but this girl i hate more than sylar from break bad. if i were fitz, i'd choose jumping into that alien world alone than to live in a world filled with people like jemma, isolation at least, retains his dignity.
I'm beginning to wonder if Fitz sees being generally nice to Gemma as something more than a means of obtaining sex. It's almost like women aren't machines where you insert nice deeds and receive sex. If they keep this up I'll start to wonder if she has motivations and needs beyond simply being a prize for the doers of manly heroism. And I'm against that.
On November 07 2015 00:02 saocyn wrote: i actually have grown to despise jemma's character. it first started when i noticed they were opting for the emma watson stereotype from harry potter, it was OK at first but this girl is a liability and needs to die off and fast.
but if i were to be honest here, my god does her behavior sicken me. i'm just going to address the elephant in the room, but HOW DO YOU NOT GIVE THE GUY WHO OPENED A PORTAL AND SAVED YOU, A LAY? not only did he suffer brain damage AFTER sacrificing himself the first time due to oxygen deprivation to the brain, he had to suffer being ridiculed and isolated because he couldn't even form a proper sentence or thought in recovery which seemed at the time, to be permanent. He not only came back from that, to eventually save you AGAIN, AND gave you a phone that lasted a month, you go and give it up to a dude who chains you up and feeds you like a dog? and you shun him on the first date just to tell him you want him to support you in going back to save the dude who fuked your girl? fitz has every right to leave this guy to fuk death. the dude saved you twice and got brain damage....i know nice guys finish last but holy shit this is some new level of crazy.
i'm not a misogynist i'm really not, but either marvel writers are geniuses and know how to portray similar behavior of people in reality or i'm crazy. they hit the nail right on the head of an unfaithful psychopathic woman in the 21st century. i love how they also show jemma choosing her new found lay over her memories of her family (using her phone) but this girl i hate more than sylar from break bad. if i were fitz, i'd choose jumping into that alien world alone than to live in a world filled with people like jemma, isolation at least, retains his dignity.
I think you are overthinking this. This is a typical friend zone story where hot chick ignores the great nerd and goes for the jock type but it is wrapped in a different package.
Kind of like GoT with Jorah and Deny relationship although that one had a Martin twist with "the nerd" being a old guy wanting an underage girl lol.
Yeah, it's great that women have predominantly been portrayed as prizes in games, movies and so forth aimed at men for as long as they've been around. That way a plot that predominantly features manly men doing manly men things without involving any kind of story or arc for women can still have sex in it without us needing to do a no-homo fistbump as we jack each other off. It can go "man man man man man man sex with woman man man" and we get all the man stuff we like like gun fights and car chases while still seeing tits. And that's great. But it's not actually real. That's not how it actually works, that's a thing the people made up because the original ending of Mario where Mario and Luigi fuck each other on Bowser's dead body wasn't as popular as having Princess Peach kiss Mario. And every time a man takes the movies and games seriously and rapes a woman because he bought her dinner so he thought she owed him that fantasy of "man man man man man man sex with woman man man" gets eroded. And when the feminists come to take it away because people like you, saocyn, cannot be trusted to tell the difference between fantasy and reality then we're all going to blame you.
I mean your post is literally complaining that not only Gemma, in fiction, isn't dispensing sex in the way your fantasy believes she should but also that actual women in the 21st Century are also not dispensing sex in the way your fantasy believes they should. You know that reality isn't conforming to the fantasy, that's a big part of your complaint, and yet rather than conclude that the fantasy is just a fantasy, which is what all us sane people do, you conclude that women in reality are wrong. It's insane. You're actually expressing real anger at reality, and particularly at women, for not being more like movies. You got told by Nintendo that if you killed Bowser then Princess Peach would automatically kiss you and for some reason that has become your normal so that when actual women respond differently you think the women are broken.
When all we're left with Mario assfucking Luigi on Bowser's shell I'll know exactly who to hold accountable. You're going to ruin this for the rest of us.
The only thing I'm wondering about is Will himself. Did he go insane or his colleagues? Could the creature be one of his former colleagues?
He seemed levelheaded around Jemma and they spent quite some time together without any ill effect.
Poor Fitz though. Goes through everything and hell to get Jemma back, only to find out she was teleported to the one planet where a Bruce Willis was camping out and fell in love with him. Can't blame her for that (she could've been there forever) but it sucks for Fitz.
The way I see it: Option A: Fitz helps Jemma get Will back, Fitz & Jemma stay with SHIELD and Will moves on. Option B: Will turns out to be evil, Fitz/SHIELD has to jump in at the last second. Option C: Similar to A, but Will either joins SHIELD or Jemma goes with him and leaves SHIELD.
Also, props to the guy who called out Andrew being Lash. Only question is, will May arrive in time to save Linken, since I'm getting the feeling Lash and Linken are going to meet just as May arrives.
On November 07 2015 01:54 Thezzy wrote: The only thing I'm wondering about is Will himself. Did he go insane or his colleagues? Could the creature be one of his former colleagues?
He seemed levelheaded around Jemma and they spent quite some time together without any ill effect.
Poor Fitz though. Goes through everything and hell to get Jemma back, only to find out she was teleported to the one planet where a Bruce Willis was camping out and fell in love with him. Can't blame her for that (she could've been there forever) but it sucks for Fitz.
The way I see it: Option A: Fitz helps Jemma get Will back, Fitz & Jemma stay with SHIELD and Will moves on. Option B: Will turns out to be evil, Fitz/SHIELD has to jump in at the last second. Option C: Similar to A, but Will either joins SHIELD or Jemma goes with him and leaves SHIELD.
Also, props to the guy who called out Andrew being Lash. Only question is, will May arrive in time to save Linken, since I'm getting the feeling Lash and Linken are going to meet just as May arrives.
Well I don't think this is spolier tag worthy but I looked pretty close at the documents that Fitz looked at and it was stating something about Will being a scientist. So there is something wonky about Jemma's story or Will is a liar and probably not such a good dude.
On November 07 2015 01:43 KwarK wrote: I reflected a little more on saocyn's post.
Yeah, it's great that women have predominantly been portrayed as prizes in games, movies and so forth aimed at men for as long as they've been around. That way a plot that predominantly features manly men doing manly men things without involving any kind of story or arc for women can still have sex in it without us needing to do a no-homo fistbump as we jack each other off. It can go "man man man man man man sex with woman man man" and we get all the man stuff we like like gun fights and car chases while still seeing tits. And that's great. But it's not actually real. That's not how it actually works, that's a thing the people made up because the original ending of Mario where Mario and Luigi fuck each other on Bowser's dead body wasn't as popular as having Princess Peach kiss Mario. And every time a man takes the movies and games seriously and rapes a woman because he bought her dinner so he thought she owed him that fantasy of "man man man man man man sex with woman man man" gets eroded. And when the feminists come to take it away because people like you, saocyn, cannot be trusted to tell the difference between fantasy and reality then we're all going to blame you.
I mean your post is literally complaining that not only Gemma, in fiction, isn't dispensing sex in the way your fantasy believes she should but also that actual women in the 21st Century are also not dispensing sex in the way your fantasy believes they should. You know that reality isn't conforming to the fantasy, that's a big part of your complaint, and yet rather than conclude that the fantasy is just a fantasy, which is what all us sane people do, you conclude that women in reality are wrong. It's insane. You're actually expressing real anger at reality, and particularly at women, for not being more like movies. You got told by Nintendo that if you killed Bowser then Princess Peach would automatically kiss you and for some reason that has become your normal so that when actual women respond differently you think the women are broken.
When all we're left with Mario assfucking Luigi on Bowser's shell I'll know exactly who to hold accountable. You're going to ruin this for the rest of us.
slow down there white knight on high horse. i'm not the one here who's frustrated and feel the need to use metaphors of sexualizing Nintendo characters. the fact you skewed your examples so far off of reality, makes me think you've never even gotten out of your house or can't even rationalize human nature without fictional child hood characters. "you've reflected on my post" no you've attempted to judge me based on your narrow views of life and frustrations with your child hood that's what you did. typical PC warrior of the 21st century attempting to logically assume moral high ground because of political correctness. you were immediately in the wrong when you attempted to rationalize emotional behavior through a logical lens. you are by no means fighting for human rights when you continually put women on a pedestal, you can fight for the side of "feminist" while i fight for the side of human equality.
here's the bottom line, i won't even attempt to address the stupidity of the rest of your post, as it's not even worth a read when your only metaphors are nintendo characters. This is a TV show, i'm allowed to rant about my interpretation on the matter of any relationship within it i want, i am allowed to choose whatever side i wish to root for, for whatever purpose i desire, because it is........a FANTASY. i don't need to rationalize my beliefs to you, a person who is incompetent. nor will i succumb to peer pressure and change my beliefs and views simply because it doesn't accommodate to your PC views of reality. I am not a sheep like you, i don't feel the need to filter my language and be manipulative in an informal setting, for i have nothing to prove. at the end of the day i am not the one bullying people into believing or changing their view of reality, you sir on the other hand are the angry one. please do not ever respond to me again or ever address me in another post, i do not wish to associate with people like you.
but because you seem to be so dense, i'll explain the scenario to you. if anyone was guilty of gender hate, it was jemma. fitz yes is heroic, and his actions tend to be more so heroic because he likes this girl. this is blatantly clear. you speak of heroism for heroism as some sort of altruism, when everyone has some form of an agenda to why they pursue such feats. But you refuse to see anything outside of your skewed reality of the relationship. the show has shown indication of such behavior and motivation, that everyone has a hidden desire, agenda for why they chose to do what they do. you understand nothing about the brain and mind, as the brain has 3 main hemispheres of thought, we are not only governed by merely the frontal cortex or the logical hemisphere, survival and emotion predate the frontal cortex.
fitz mustered up and told her he liked her prior to imminent death. she proceeded to kiss him multiple times in the submerged escape pod, reciprocating his interest in her or maybe you forgot this? it is not fitz's fault for assuming where they left off. this girl at any point could have simply told him i'm not interested BUT she continued to lead him on as if he was a pawn to be used. emotionally manipulating him into helping her retrieve a love interest. did she have to go on a date and dinner with fitz? absolutely not she could have turned him down. did she have to kiss him? absolutely not. does fitz have to waste his time assuming he has a chance with this girl? no, but she lead him on the whole way. just as she does not have to have sex with him, FITZ does NOT have to help anyone especially not someone she's associated with for whatever reason he desires. only your narrow views assumes that it is the man's job to be held up to heroism for altruistic purposes rather than see that jemma should be held up to those same standards.
only morons like you assume sex is something only MEN want, and that women can do no wrong. but both parties enjoy it EQUALLY if consensual. just because a man demonstrates his desire for a woman does not mean he hates women. it doesn't seem to occur to the majority here that it is natural for you to desire some merely for meaningless sex.
While saocyn's posts are entirely emotionally and english impaired, there is a roughly shaped point that I agree with.
The Fitz/Simmons shit needs its plug pulled soon. It's the absolute typical side-romance plot that consumes airtime with zero plot relevance, and it's lasting for the entire series.
Kill one of them or make it known that it will never happen. Or, heaven forbid, let them hook up and have it last 'till the series finale and stop pretending their romantic dramedy is more important than the spies and supers.
On November 07 2015 17:36 WolfintheSheep wrote: While saocyn's posts are entirely emotionally and english impaired, there is a roughly shaped point that I agree with.
The Fitz/Simmons shit needs its plug pulled soon. It's the absolute typical side-romance plot that consumes airtime with zero plot relevance, and it's lasting for the entire series.
Kill one of them or make it known that it will never happen. Or, heaven forbid, let them hook up and have it last 'till the series finale and stop pretending their romantic dramedy is more important than the spies and supers.
If only he had said it that way, instead of being a mysogenistic idiot about it, I would also have agreed.
Now, on to the episode: the writing for Sky/Daisy/Tremors and her relationship with Coulson is getting on my nerves. It is completely unbelievable and pointless drama that she no longer trusts Coulson, when that was basically the entirety of their relationship for the first 2 series, and he did nothing at any point to make that stop. I can see Mack not trusting Coulson, that made some sense, but Daisy has seen him as the father she never had. And her actual parents turning out to be a crazy psychopath and a traumatized lunatic seem like stupid reasons to turn AWAY from Coulson. Leaving the flinter thin reason of "Coulson being madly in love with Rosalyn". So while Daisy going after the ACTU makes sense, she continuously jumps the gun on Coulson's position, which is getting pretty irritating.
On November 07 2015 17:36 WolfintheSheep wrote: While saocyn's posts are entirely emotionally and english impaired, there is a roughly shaped point that I agree with.
The Fitz/Simmons shit needs its plug pulled soon. It's the absolute typical side-romance plot that consumes airtime with zero plot relevance, and it's lasting for the entire series.
Kill one of them or make it known that it will never happen. Or, heaven forbid, let them hook up and have it last 'till the series finale and stop pretending their romantic dramedy is more important than the spies and supers.
If only he had said it that way, instead of being a mysogenistic idiot about it, I would also have agreed.
Now, on to the episode: the writing for Sky/Daisy/Tremors and her relationship with Coulson is getting on my nerves. It is completely unbelievable and pointless drama that she no longer trusts Coulson, when that was basically the entirety of their relationship for the first 2 series, and he did nothing at any point to make that stop. I can see Mack not trusting Coulson, that made some sense, but Daisy has seen him as the father she never had. And her actual parents turning out to be a crazy psychopath and a traumatized lunatic seem like stupid reasons to turn AWAY from Coulson. Leaving the flinter thin reason of "Coulson being madly in love with Rosalyn". So while Daisy going after the ACTU makes sense, she continuously jumps the gun on Coulson's position, which is getting pretty irritating.
To be fair Coulson did just completely stab her in the back with the whole Lincoln thing.
On November 08 2015 05:07 -Archangel- wrote: How did he stab her? He did that for her.
He made it 100% clear that he would sell out other Inhumans to the ATCU in exchange for keeping her (and his team) safe.
Which makes her outrage at seeing him watch the ATCU keep Inhumans captive 100% consistent with his actions.
And to be fair, that's exactly what he did do, just with a little more nuance. He basically just smiles and nods while he's being told that Inhumans need to be put in comas while they're experimented on for cures. And he obviously has an overly emotional attachment to Rosalind.
Daisy may be overreacting, but Coulson and the ATCU are still acting much, much closer to her accusations than the opposite.
Eh, but then you consider that the ATCU aren't dissecting and experimenting on anybody and seem to have every intention of releasing everyone once they're stable. Their heart is in the right place, but it hearkens back to that god awful X3 movie where some just may not want to be "cured".
On November 08 2015 08:22 deth2munkies wrote: Eh, but then you consider that the ATCU aren't dissecting and experimenting on anybody and seem to have every intention of releasing everyone once they're stable. Their heart is in the right place, but it hearkens back to that god awful X3 movie where some just may not want to be "cured".
Well, that's also if you take them at their word.
Which, frankly, you shouldn't, because there is exactly one Inhuman with perfect control who had a completely normal life as a doctor, and they ruined the rest of his life by chasing after him guns blazing, and plastering his face everywhere and telling the world he was a deadly Alien menace.
Man shippers are the worst. I mean how poorly adjusted do you have to be to get this upset about a tv show character not dating the character that you think they should wind up with.
Either the latest episode indicates that Simmons couldn't figure out Will's backstory was off in 6 months with the guy, while Fitz figured it out from a photograph, or the audience just hasn't been shown all that Simmons knows.
The episode plodded along getting to where Coulson and others knew Andrew was Lash. Lincoln was a mess this episode, like they needed any extra provocation for Lash, who wouldn't have gone quietly anyway. Daisy got to do something cool and not too OP, though it seemed a bit like a contrived bonding moment for her and Rosalind.
I dunno, I just wasn't too into this episode. Simmons watching the sun rise was a nice touch. Fitz was becoming a bit too good, I suppose, so jealous Fitz made a minor appearance.
I dunno, I really liked this episode. There was action, there was plot progression, a bit of character development. The only thing that really bugged me is Coulson getting involved with Rosalind. Like, I get that he's human and has feelings, but he's also an Agent and the Director and knows better than to do something absolutely stupid like this. Which is why I think (hope) that he's on to her and is playing her on a level that we haven't seen yet. If this season goes and he just gets screwed over by romance blinding him, I'll be pretty upset.
The May/Andrew stuff was pretty good imo. Ming Na is a pretty good actress.
On November 13 2015 01:50 Requizen wrote: I dunno, I really liked this episode. There was action, there was plot progression, a bit of character development. The only thing that really bugged me is Coulson getting involved with Rosalind. Like, I get that he's human and has feelings, but he's also an Agent and the Director and knows better than to do something absolutely stupid like this. Which is why I think (hope) that he's on to her and is playing her on a level that we haven't seen yet. If this season goes and he just gets screwed over by romance blinding him, I'll be pretty upset.
The May/Andrew stuff was pretty good imo. Ming Na is a pretty good actress.
James Bond is also an agent and often sleeps with bad girls :D
On November 13 2015 01:50 Requizen wrote: I dunno, I really liked this episode. There was action, there was plot progression, a bit of character development. The only thing that really bugged me is Coulson getting involved with Rosalind. Like, I get that he's human and has feelings, but he's also an Agent and the Director and knows better than to do something absolutely stupid like this. Which is why I think (hope) that he's on to her and is playing her on a level that we haven't seen yet. If this season goes and he just gets screwed over by romance blinding him, I'll be pretty upset.
The May/Andrew stuff was pretty good imo. Ming Na is a pretty good actress.
James Bond is also an agent and often sleeps with bad girls :D
Yeah, but Coulson seems to be getting emotionally attached. Which he should know better than.
On November 13 2015 01:50 Requizen wrote: I dunno, I really liked this episode. There was action, there was plot progression, a bit of character development. The only thing that really bugged me is Coulson getting involved with Rosalind. Like, I get that he's human and has feelings, but he's also an Agent and the Director and knows better than to do something absolutely stupid like this. Which is why I think (hope) that he's on to her and is playing her on a level that we haven't seen yet. If this season goes and he just gets screwed over by romance blinding him, I'll be pretty upset.
The May/Andrew stuff was pretty good imo. Ming Na is a pretty good actress.
James Bond is also an agent and often sleeps with bad girls :D
Yeah, but Coulson seems to be getting emotionally attached. Which he should know better than.
lets be real here we have 2 seasons worth of Coulson screwing up due to being emotionally attached to something. Thats kind of his thing
i liked how Fitz shot down Jemma, most interesting storyline this season is the planet, Will and Fitz & Jemma the rest is.. ok.
But i just cant find myself getting excited over hydra. we saw fullscale hydra and what they did but this season we're dealing with Ward and his ghetto hydra, 6 guys in a hangar - watch out world! I'm just so over Ward ugh
Of course there is this stuff, dealing with that is what shield does. But adding a superhero to your main team apparently leads to this:
And that is what i don't like. What normal missions can daisy still join? Imagine the bank mission with daisy. "Damn busted! Guess I just knock everyone down." We have already seen enough pointless knocking around of normal people. Maybe Ward steals the cure and cures everyone but if it goes on like it has this show is not for me anymore. No disrespect to anyone who still likes it.
On November 14 2015 05:59 Garbels wrote: Of course there is this stuff, dealing with that is what shield does. But adding a superhero to your main team apparently leads to this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=IoMqdCrRJJc#t=85 And that is what i don't like. What normal missions can daisy still join? Imagine the bank mission with daisy. "Damn busted! Guess I just knock everyone down." We have already seen enough pointless knocking around of normal people. Maybe Ward steals the cure and cures everyone but if it goes on like it has this show is not for me anymore. No disrespect to anyone who still likes it.
I remember that the episode right before Avengers 2 came out, when she finally had control of her powers, she had a cool fight scene running around a room, gunning down like 12 hydra agents, barely using her powers IIRC. So its not like she can't or doesn't do stuff like that anymore.
On November 14 2015 05:59 Garbels wrote: Of course there is this stuff, dealing with that is what shield does. But adding a superhero to your main team apparently leads to this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=IoMqdCrRJJc#t=85 And that is what i don't like. What normal missions can daisy still join? Imagine the bank mission with daisy. "Damn busted! Guess I just knock everyone down." We have already seen enough pointless knocking around of normal people. Maybe Ward steals the cure and cures everyone but if it goes on like it has this show is not for me anymore. No disrespect to anyone who still likes it.
So how is that different than May going "Damn busted! Guess I just kick everyone in the face and/or shoot them all."?
Its different because its always the best option. There is no contest or struggle. See s3 opening scene.
In the actual bank scene they even play out another option using standard spy stuff and teamwork.
And yes Sentenal that scene was cool but she was not as strong as she is now. Still in the same episode she just blows a few guys away like dolls. Also s3 opening scene to compare powerlevels.
Now she floats people in the air so flying is probably not far off.
I mean, you're wrong. It's not always the best option. That's like saying no one should have guns because you can always just shoot the bad guys in the head 100% of the time why would you do anything else. It's just another tool.
There's always going to be a situation where the best option is talking it out, or not engaging because they might just bomb her from an airplane and you can't force away an explosion or something.
Besides, yeah she's extremely strong compared to your average human, but she's still nothing special compared to the other Inhumans. Even if it wasn't Daisy that became a superhero, it was only a matter of time before they would have just recruited one because of course you freaking want the super powers on your side as well.
Yes you are right not always. They could surely find scenarios where its not a good option. Like how there is always a waterway when the bad guy gets away from the knight-boat.
Sure they want the inhumans. They can have them mostly off camera like deathlok. This show will become like the avengers if it goes on like this.
Here is a quote from Joss Whedon at the start of the show. You have to bring a bit of spectacle to it; it's got to be bigger than your average cop show," he said. "But at the end of the day, it's about the peripheral people. It's about the people on the edges of the grand adventures."
"The whole point of the show is that even with all these big things, the little things matter," he explained further. "It's about people who don't have super powers. There will be some people with powers, there will be FX, and there will be the spectacle of science-fiction storytelling — but all played on a very human, small level. That's the appeal of the thing."
edit: by mostly of camera I mean the time when deathlok was back at shields but away on some mission not on camera until he came back at the end of the season. I'm aware that he was on camera a lot(mostly as part of the bad guys).
Its a comic/superhero tv show, superpowers n shit are always fitted to the story, much like storm strooper markmanship or expert James bond markmanship.
Watch the avengers, heroes like Thor are scaled down so that heroes like Black Widow are actually useful.
For some reason I'm finding it harder and harder to tune in every week for this show. I think it was somewhere in the first inhuman arc late S2, but the show's just gone way downhill IMO. I might be unpopular in this but I've hated Skye since the beginning and her superpowers are just really grating to me now. What's wrong with being a super cool hacker?
On November 14 2015 11:34 mierin wrote: For some reason I'm finding it harder and harder to tune in every week for this show. I think it was somewhere in the first inhuman arc late S2, but the show's just gone way downhill IMO. I might be unpopular in this but I've hated Skye since the beginning and her superpowers are just really grating to me now. What's wrong with being a super cool hacker?
I agree except the hate Skye part. I always adored Skye, but she is less interesting this season.
Ward needs to go. He's been way too lucky escaping so far, to where I'm not really buying it. He and agent 33 lose to a tortured Bobbi but he always escapes. It just doesn't add up; it says "we're keeping him because he's eye-candy."
It is also really hard to tell how powerful Hydra is; as someone said last page, it does look like a joke right now. I'm also curious what happened to the Hub. Shouldn't the U.S. government be using it, or is it just a hub for squatters atm.
I dunno if you saw Ant-Man and Civil War, but the dude that Ward met is a big freaking deal, and if he's going to back New Hydra, then they will become a serious threat.
Not to mention the ATCU is about to set up a massive betrayal.
Skye has always been the best character on this show! Show is fantastic this season and the pacing has been great not dragging out storylines. Show has just gotten better and better since season 1. I want my comicbook shows full with super powers and not too much realistic stuff, so introducing inhumans has been the best thing to happen to this show.
I have never read much of the comics but are they going way left field with the 100 generations of Hydra thing? I understand hydra is like this never ending "Foot Clan" type enemy that will always be around but something about how they tied everything up last episode doesn't sit right with me.
Not to my knowledge, but it would be really easy to take any number of "ancient secret societies" from the comics that are too obscure or pointless and just mix them in with MCU Hydra.
On IMDB forums people quoted that this history is from the comics. Well at least the part about Hydra being ancient, I think show added the inhuman part.
Any of the comic fans around here know what Inhuman could be the one they are talking about? I am sure that this one will be from the comics, the invented characters so far were always minor characters.
I liked this last bit of twisting and I'm still enjoying the show a lot.
Ward just feels a little directionless at the moment though. Now he has a boss above him I guess he's just going to go back to being a right-hand man but we're being really simplified back to it being Shield vs. Hydra (unless the ATCU thing was a double play). I still like his arc though and the completely beyond-redemption thing is really refreshing in a show.
double fake-out with Coulson in this episode and the end of last episode. I kind of thought it'd end up being him falling for ATCU lady and her stabbing him in the back to HYDRA, but they flipped that early in the episode and I thought it worked.
Apparently the root of all evil must be Hydra. Not sure if it's more annoying that we can't have proper spy vs spy conflict with nuances, or that everything always has to be Hydra related.
Also yay for more Superpowers that involve pointing hands at things. Knew this would happen with TV special effects budgets and increase in Supers, but goddamn can TV writers stop treating "hand-wavy magic" literally?
On the plus side, now we know that the Iron Chef guy really is super human.
On November 19 2015 17:53 -Archangel- wrote: On IMDB forums people quoted that this history is from the comics. Well at least the part about Hydra being ancient, I think show added the inhuman part.
Any of the comic fans around here know what Inhuman could be the one they are talking about? I am sure that this one will be from the comics, the invented characters so far were always minor characters.
Don't really know much of the comic material, but browsing a wiki, The Unspoken sounds like a good candidate.
On November 20 2015 15:21 WolfintheSheep wrote: Apparently the root of all evil must be Hydra. Not sure if it's more annoying that we can't have proper spy vs spy conflict with nuances, or that everything always has to be Hydra related.
Yeah... I really hate how everything goes back to Hydra. I hope we'll get a new antagonist for S4.
Ward is starting to remind me of Sylar(Heroes after S1) at this point.
Spoilers including midseason finale "Maveth" ahead:
Ward needs to be done after his latest resurgent form is defeated. Unless they could actually make his character not eye-roll inducing by always getting away, giving his little pep talks about how he respects people for fighting back; it's very tired material.
Coulson--are they trying to make him all creepy and semi-evil so he can be redeemed later by his love for Skye or whatever? For awhile, I thought, and hoped, that Ward really was dead, and the alien would infest Coulson instead, not that I wanted that to happen to Coulson, but it really would have meant the end of Ward. You could also see that coming a mile away, though I wasn't expecting a parasitic worm reminiscent of an X-Files episode.
The evil thing is a sandstorm that lost to Fitz. I mean, I was cheering for Fitz, but this big bad is really responsible for the death of the planet's civilization? I'm not sold on it or on Andrew/Lash. Is Lash killing inhumans to deny the other bad guy's army? It's weird, and sprawling.
Additional thought: don't normal military ships or planes ready their missiles way before they need to fire, as well as test them? The portal was down to ~60 seconds and they decided it was a good idea to start aiming the missiles.
So I got that the worm thing lost to Fitz because I guess it was controlling a broken Human body and so had the limitations of that that. But did we actually see a person before when we spotted the monster back in the last planet episode. The thing that was scary and dangerous. What happened there?
This is the first episode for me in a while that really hammed it up and was a bit too silly and plot-holey for me to really enjoy.
On December 10 2015 05:59 Flicky wrote: Continuing spoilers.
So I got that the worm thing lost to Fitz because I guess it was controlling a broken Human body and so had the limitations of that that. But did we actually see a person before when we spotted the monster back in the last planet episode. The thing that was scary and dangerous. What happened there?
This is the first episode for me in a while that really hammed it up and was a bit too silly and plot-holey for me to really enjoy.
In the planet episode Jemma saw something in an Astronaut suit. I think most people assumed it was an illusion or something, but it's likely now that it was using one of the "NASA" bodies from Wills expedition.
the real question is if ward is "just" big bad evil for the season finale or if he survives for the inhuman movie. b/c "tremors" and small thor are eye candy enough to be on the big screen. mr. "gay but not hiding my 'powers'" any more also seems possible.
I guess we're not tagging spoilers now so whatever.
So from what I've been hearing that alien thing is actually somewhat close to this thing. So all those dead inhumans will probably be coming back with a bit more power.
On December 15 2015 07:26 deth2munkies wrote: I guess we're not tagging spoilers now so whatever.
So from what I've been hearing that alien thing is actually somewhat close to this thing. So all those dead inhumans will probably be coming back with a bit more power.
Considering SHIELD blew up the whole facility and all bodies, I doubt it.
On December 15 2015 07:26 deth2munkies wrote: I guess we're not tagging spoilers now so whatever.
So from what I've been hearing that alien thing is actually somewhat close to this thing. So all those dead inhumans will probably be coming back with a bit more power.
since it kind of can control the weather and destroyed an entiry planet, there should be something "more" to it. That thing looks not inhuman enough to be "new ward"
Or it can't control the weather, just predict it and use the Sandstorms as cover, and it killed the planet by turning the denizens against themselves. By having a parasite take over every dead body, he gets a new soldier for each one he kills.
On December 16 2015 07:11 deth2munkies wrote: Or it can't control the weather, just predict it and use the Sandstorms as cover, and it killed the planet by turning the denizens against themselves. By having a parasite take over every dead body, he gets a new soldier for each one he kills.
This.
He said the people living on the planet killed each other.
Watched the new Agent Carter eps. It doesn't really capture me the way S1 did. It seems a bit like they hit the reset button and are doing it all over again, with a hot female spy who is 1000x as badass as all her male colleagues. We saw that already in the first season. Isn't it time she got a bit of recognition for her badassery from someone other than Susa?
The bad guy(s) so far also seem uninteresting, although it does look like an interesting tie-in to this season's Agents of SHIELD plot could develop.
The first season of Agent Carter fell apart quite quickly as well. Shows that mindlessly prop up the protagonist by making everyone else an idiot are rarely compelling.
Series 2 has become a not funny comedy. It's way worse than the first. No intrigue, no interesting characters, just rehashing the same ideas again (albeit, doing a worse job) with a bunch of shitty jokes.
Up until now, I've watched everything in the MCU, sad to have to break that streak.
I dunno, after these last few episodes I'm really digging it. S2 of Carter started out kinda weak but I'm really into this villain and Jarvis's plotline. Carter's alright but honestly I feel like this season is carried by the side characters.
I haven't watched last night's yet but I have enjoyed everything else so far. I was pretty unsure about this season with Ghost Rider and everything, but it's been fairly solid. Looking forward to watching it tonight!
Compared to Season 3's mid season finale. Season 4 is off to a better start imho. I wasn't sure about the Ghost Rider thing either but they took it an interesting direction, I'm still not sure what's up with the new Director and Simmons has SOMETHING on him that they never talked about... Interested to see where that goes.
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