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Vegetarian Wolf
China434 Posts
Also what http://www.pri.org/stories/2013-09-30/peru-makes-book-writing-spectator-sport-and-invites-desperate-writers-combat | ||
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porkRaven
United States953 Posts
On October 01 2013 04:51 Vegetarian Wolf wrote: As someone who's not neck deep in theory and only hears about it second-hand, I was under the impression that most people "in the field" so to speak don't regard Zizek very highly. Am I mistaken? Also what http://www.pri.org/stories/2013-09-30/peru-makes-book-writing-spectator-sport-and-invites-desperate-writers-combat Seems like an interesting idea, I would probably attend one of those events. Just read Macbeth. When introduced to Shakespeare's in school (i.e. A midsummer nights dream, Romeo and Juliet) I never really enjoyed the works. When I read Macbeth it showed me that his works are quite enjoyable even if they need to be decoded at times for the modern reader. ![[image loading]](http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51NmobtO9QL._SY344_PJlook-inside-v2,TopRight,1,0_SH20_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg) Looking to read Gravity's Rainbow ![[image loading]](http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61360N7YMDL._SY344_PJlook-inside-v2,TopRight,1,0_SH20_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg) | ||
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sam!zdat
United States5559 Posts
also you have to keep in mind that theory can be very generational. So it depends on what you mean by 'in the field'. So a lot of people who don't take zizek seriously might take, say, derrida seriously (as mystifying as that may be). Zizek is more popular right now with grad students than with profs probably (although my prof who is early modernist said she liked him). It really depends on age, politics, and lots of other things. Plus, honestly, a lot of people who 'dont take zizek seriously' have never read his theory, just his topical books and little videos or whatever. I think a lot of theory people are threatened by him because he doesn't take HIMSELF as seriously as they think theory should, he deigns to lower himself to pop media and cultivates a persona that is not the ivory tower french intellectual anyway, I'm currently reading my 9th zizek book and I think he's the bomb, and I have read more theory than most. Take it for whatever that's worth, I guess | ||
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packrat386
United States5077 Posts
On October 01 2013 05:18 sam!zdat wrote: they are just jealous because zizek is smarter and more popular than they are also you have to keep in mind that theory can be very generational. So it depends on what you mean by 'in the field'. So a lot of people who don't take zizek seriously might take, say, derrida seriously (as mystifying as that may be). Zizek is more popular right now with grad students than with profs probably (although my prof who is early modernist said she liked him). It really depends on age, politics, and lots of other things. Plus, honestly, a lot of people who 'dont take zizek seriously' have never read his theory, just his topical books and little videos or whatever. I think a lot of theory people are threatened by him because he doesn't take HIMSELF as seriously as they think theory should, he deigns to lower himself to pop media and cultivates a persona that is not the ivory tower french intellectual anyway, I'm currently reading my 9th zizek book and I think he's the bomb, and I have read more theory than most. Take it for whatever that's worth, I guess I personally am not a fan of zizek. However I can't say I've read more than snippets of his stuff. Perhaps after David Harvey... | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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sam!zdat
United States5559 Posts
On October 01 2013 05:35 packrat386 wrote: I personally am not a fan of zizek. However I can't say I've read more than snippets of his stuff. Perhaps after David Harvey... this is what I mean. I don't think I've ever heard anyone say they didn't like zizek who had actually read, say, sublime object of ideology. Just people who say 'well, I've never read any of his theoretical writings, but I don't like him because he offended my sense of propriety by clowning around on youtube, or because chomsky said he didn't talk about real things and I think chomsky is a good source for opinions about theory.' | ||
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Vegetarian Wolf
China434 Posts
On October 01 2013 05:45 sam!zdat wrote: I think chomsky is a good source for opinions about theory.' approximately 0 people say that yo | ||
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farvacola
United States18828 Posts
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Vegetarian Wolf
China434 Posts
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Deleuze
United Kingdom2102 Posts
On October 01 2013 04:51 Vegetarian Wolf wrote: As someone who's not neck deep in theory and only hears about it second-hand, I was under the impression that most people "in the field" so to speak don't regard Zizek very highly. Am I mistaken? Also what http://www.pri.org/stories/2013-09-30/peru-makes-book-writing-spectator-sport-and-invites-desperate-writers-combat I doubt Zizek rates himself particularly highly... He creates very fine work, and like all great thinkers his philosophy is expressed in his writing style and argumentative structure. The first work I read of his that really opened my eyes to his ideas was an essay on Lacan.com called Masturbation, or Sexuality in the Atonal World. Good read if you have time. However as a Deleuzian, I must tell you that Zizek is misguided having mistaken the fold for the split. Edit: Also, are you one or many wolves? | ||
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Shiragaku
Hong Kong4308 Posts
On October 01 2013 06:25 Vegetarian Wolf wrote: am i just fortunate, then, to not have come across anyone like that? There are people who are most certainly influenced by Chomsky's anarchism, but he seems to provide facts to leftists for the most part. I even know social democrats who love the guy and know nothing about his ideology. | ||
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packrat386
United States5077 Posts
On October 01 2013 05:45 sam!zdat wrote: this is what I mean. I don't think I've ever heard anyone say they didn't like zizek who had actually read, say, sublime object of ideology. Just people who say 'well, I've never read any of his theoretical writings, but I don't like him because he offended my sense of propriety by clowning around on youtube, or because chomsky said he didn't talk about real things and I think chomsky is a good source for opinions about theory.' to be fair to myself. I have had more interactions with zizeks work than watching him fuck around on youtube, and I don't give a shit what chomsky thinks about him. Most of my experience has been reading and applying his lit in debate, and I didn't really buy a lot of the arguments he put forth. I just wanted to qualify my dislike by saying that I haven't ever sat down and read any of his major works from start to finish. | ||
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Shiragaku
Hong Kong4308 Posts
http://www.lacan.com/zizrobes.htm Plus, I cannot say I exactly appreciate anything the guy says about modern liberal democracies given that I think they should be defended to the death these days. But I do not think you should think that much about me breaking away from Zizek so much sam, I am giving up on Marxism and communism in favor for liberal democracy and advocating a democratic revolution within a "democracy" rather than a socialist revolution. | ||
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sam!zdat
United States5559 Posts
what zizek have you read packrat | ||
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packrat386
United States5077 Posts
On October 01 2013 10:47 sam!zdat wrote: it's okay you'll grow out of it what zizek have you read packrat Bits and pieces like I said. To tell you article names I would have to go back a ways, but I remember a lot of stuff from 2k-2k4 | ||
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sam!zdat
United States5559 Posts
edit: well, shira, liberal democracy just shut down the government. going swimmingly, i'd say | ||
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IgnE
United States7681 Posts
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Shiragaku
Hong Kong4308 Posts
Also, I am pretty sure we are in 100 percent agreement in condemning American democracy as a joke. Just because I am in support of liberal democracy does not mean I support all forms of liberal democracy. Similarly, I am sure just because you support communism does not mean you are a Stalinist Sam  | ||
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123Gurke
France154 Posts
On September 30 2013 05:02 Prog455 wrote: Can anyone recommend any easy-read German litterature? Preferably juveniele books such as Michael Ende. I need the books to improve my German in order to study for a semester in Germany, and at this point nothing is too easy. That is actually quite a hard question. I thought about this for some time and there really is no optimal advice I can give you. Lots of german children's books are classics, e.g. people are still reading the fairy tales of the brother's Grimm to their children. But since those books are written in a language that while perfectly understandable to a native speaker is certainly nonstandard today, I do not think classics would be fitting for your needs. Three things you might try: a) ![[image loading]](http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/510h7zisZQL._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76_SX385_SY500_CR,0,0,385,500_SH20_OU03_.jpg){kind=icon} Read more Michael Ende. He has written lots of books and most of them are good. He is really one of the very few contemporary children's books authors that come to my mind and that I would recommend. And in particular the Jim Knopf books (there are two of them) are very fun. Just be aware that those books were in the center of a recent discussion about racism in children's books because of the word "Neger" (which was still quite common when I was a kid but is now considered offensive). So don't use that word when you come to Germany  b) ![[image loading]](http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/510vjcb7hbL._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76_SX385_SY500_CR,0,0,385,500_SH20_OU03_.jpg){kind=icon} Do what the german kids do and read translated books. Translations in germany are generally of hih quality, so you don't have to be afraid that you might learn non-idiomatic german out of them. The books by Astrid Lindgren are immensely popular in germany, well written and fun, so they might fit your needs. Otherwise try Harry Potter or any other international books that come to your mind. If it is not too obscure, there is probably a german translation and in general this translation should be good. c) ![[image loading]](http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41UMGAUFfQL._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76_SX385_SY500_CR,0,0,385,500_SH20_OU03_.jpg){kind=icon} If you want to read something originally from germany, e.g. to get some cultural background as well, you might want to try books for adults. That book from von Schirach was very successful in germany a few years ago. The author is originally a lawyer and writes about some of the more obscure cases he has had during his career. Short, exciting stories. The language he uses is quite simple, so you might want to try this book. | ||
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corumjhaelen
France6884 Posts
a few Plato dialogues, enjoyed them very much, but they were "minor" (mocking sophist and stuff). ![[image loading]](http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y126/paradorlounge/190128522701LZZZZZZZ.jpg) Confusion (Zweig) Good, well-written, but nothing extraordinary. Currently reading : ![[image loading]](http://www.devoir-de-philosophie.com/images_dissertations/37930.jpg) L'Histoire du chevalier des Grieux et de Manon Lescaut Fuck you Manon, please die already. Next : maybe The Gay Science. | ||
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