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sam!zdat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5559 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-02 21:50:53
October 02 2013 21:49 GMT
#2661
On October 03 2013 06:43 frogrubdown wrote:
Yikes. I'd give his work a look to assess your claim, but if you're right that sounds like torture.



Where the book as conduit of textual transmission is of course liable to misreading or dismissal, the unreadable book in three-dimensional form, as palpable shape, is subject not only to touch but to its frustrations, vulnerable not just to wear and tear but also, in Morrison's conceit of throttled eroticism, to gingerly and unfeeling physical strokes; vulnerable as hinged mechanism to seizing up or locking down; vulnerable as sequenced surfaces to abrasion, erasure, strike out, or overprinting; as engineered scaffold of an imagined interior world, vulnerable not just to unlicensed penetration but to the wholesale evacuation or collapse of its architectonic parameters; as silent instrument, vulnerable to a craving for some preternatural mode of voice; and of course as pulped cellulose matter, vulnerable to the elements—water and in particular fire.



One legendary vexed flashpoint of linguistic deconstruction, here is the deictic "this" that in writing can only point to a marked surface, not to its referents. And perhaps no single case in fiction of such a signified object has ever been more abruptly but purposefully demonstrative than Florens's scriptive "this," designating the very surfaces thus inscribed upon rather than merely denoted by her obsessive script. It is in every way an exhaustive indi(c)t(e)ment. For night after night, in an upstairs room of the deserted mansion, she has been gouging out her story with a nail scraped along walls and floor, generating—with wild metatextual improbability—not a traditional soliloquy or dramatic monologue so much as a piece of six-sided text art like the inside of some bibliographic chamber where the very walls whisper their worst in silence.



No motor function at all, we discover, except a mobile point of view. No flesh and sinew, just, say, the strength we call "spine," plus the flanged articulations it braces. Unmuscled but taut and firm, the infrastructure of narration, if we've caught on by now the second time through, is personifying its inorganic textual status as an entity inert and nerveless until other hands are brought to it; an entity cautious though unafraid, not timid, but deriving its strength, like any implied author, from "making sure no one knows all there is to know about me" (J , 8)—including the addressed second person at the outset: "You have to understand what it's like, taking on a big city" (J , 9)—"taking it on," that is, as topic rather than inhabitant.



In the ferocity of foreseen demediation, that imagined precipitation of ashen black rain marks a transformation from scraped rage to conflagration, from symbolic scars to scattered char—with of course their narrative reclamation—that works to anticipate certain reflexive instances of Morrison's own writing. These are figurations that a medium like Ligon's shimmering coal dust can in its own way help imprint: novelistic images in typeface that talk the text of a people and the people of a text.


and so on. and on. and on.

edit: I'm lucky. my housemate has to write a 500 word abstract on this piece of shit
shikata ga nai
frogrubdown
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
1266 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-02 21:55:28
October 02 2013 21:54 GMT
#2662
No more! I've had enough!

If I'm understanding correctly there's nothing more to the first quote than the worst ever explanation of the type/token distinction as applied to books. Coulda just said:

If you have 3 copies of Pride and Prejudice and 1 of Sense and Sensibilia then you have 4 book tokens but 2 book types.
Deleuze
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United Kingdom2102 Posts
October 02 2013 22:00 GMT
#2663
On October 03 2013 06:54 frogrubdown wrote:
No more! I've had enough!

If I'm understanding correctly there's nothing more to the first quote than the worst ever explanation of the type/token distinction as applied to books. Coulda just said:

If you have 3 copies of Pride and Prejudice and 1 of Sense and Sensibilia then you have 4 book tokens but 2 book types.


It would also be about materiality I believe.

But ouch, that is torturously embarrassing!
“An image of thought called philosophy has been formed historically and it effectively stops people from thinking.” ― Gilles Deleuze, Dialogues II
packrat386
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States5077 Posts
October 02 2013 22:02 GMT
#2664
On October 03 2013 06:40 sam!zdat wrote:
garrett stewart is worse than hegel. he's even worse than lacan.

edit: D&G is not part of the reading list, the other essays are.

edit: I'm willing to take deleuze seriously in kinda the same way that I am willing to take foucault seriously. which is to say, foucault is wrong, but wrong in an interesting way (and his analysis is interesting even if you discard his conclusions). we'll see if deleuze can measure up to this

Have you read any agamben? If you think focault is "wrong in an interesting way" you may prefer agambens view on power
dreaming of a sunny day
Deleuze
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United Kingdom2102 Posts
October 02 2013 22:03 GMT
#2665
On October 03 2013 07:00 Deleuze wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2013 06:54 frogrubdown wrote:
No more! I've had enough!

If I'm understanding correctly there's nothing more to the first quote than the worst ever explanation of the type/token distinction as applied to books. Coulda just said:

If you have 3 copies of Pride and Prejudice and 1 of Sense and Sensibilia then you have 4 book tokens but 2 book types.


It would also be about materiality I believe.

But ouch, that is torturously embarrassing!


Edit: whats the reference out of interest?
“An image of thought called philosophy has been formed historically and it effectively stops people from thinking.” ― Gilles Deleuze, Dialogues II
sam!zdat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5559 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-02 22:31:34
October 02 2013 22:06 GMT
#2666
On October 03 2013 07:03 Deleuze wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2013 07:00 Deleuze wrote:
On October 03 2013 06:54 frogrubdown wrote:
No more! I've had enough!

If I'm understanding correctly there's nothing more to the first quote than the worst ever explanation of the type/token distinction as applied to books. Coulda just said:

If you have 3 copies of Pride and Prejudice and 1 of Sense and Sensibilia then you have 4 book tokens but 2 book types.


It would also be about materiality I believe.

But ouch, that is torturously embarrassing!


Edit: whats the reference out of interest?


@packrat: no I haven't read any agamben. the only thing I know is the phrase "homo sacer."

edit: sorry gave the wrong reference, that's a different one which is also awful but less so. Stewart, Garrett. “The Deed of Reading: Toni Morrison and the Sculpted Book” ELH 80.2 (2013): 425-453. Web 2 Oct. 2013.
shikata ga nai
Surth
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Germany456 Posts
October 02 2013 22:31 GMT
#2667
You guys are seriously making me question my choice of pursuing English Studies...

then again, the professors are already doing a good job with that.
i believe your actions dishonour Starcraft 2 LotV cybersport!
sam!zdat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5559 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-02 22:36:50
October 02 2013 22:32 GMT
#2668
On October 03 2013 07:31 Surth wrote:
You guys are seriously making me question my choice of pursuing English Studies...

then again, the professors are already doing a good job with that.


everyone who isn't a marxist is a useless poseur full of sound and fury signifying nothing.

edit: but seriously. please don't blame the field for the fact that postmodernism breeds incompetence. it's not literature's fault, it's derrida's fault.
shikata ga nai
Surth
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Germany456 Posts
October 02 2013 22:50 GMT
#2669
sam!z: funny, I would go so far as to change the "isn't" to "is"!

As for derrida, I'll have to read some of his first before commeting on that.

-----

Reading pretty much nothing (except Eco, still) right now. Thinking of just picking up the bible. Or something random off my shelf.
i believe your actions dishonour Starcraft 2 LotV cybersport!
sam!zdat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5559 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-02 23:28:08
October 02 2013 22:56 GMT
#2670
On October 03 2013 07:50 Surth wrote:
sam!z: funny, I would go so far as to change the "isn't" to "is"!


sure sign of someone who only thinks they know what marxism is about, and has not been forced to read any non-marxist literary theory

edit: @packrat: hold on a second, is a guy who believes that the IMF must be benevolent because they are the government and governments work for the good of the people really giving me a recommendation for theoretical text about the nature of power??? :p
shikata ga nai
packrat386
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States5077 Posts
October 03 2013 00:01 GMT
#2671
Agamben is like focault in that he deals with biopolitics. He focuses on the idea of the state of exception when the sovereign decides to break the law. The main difference between him and focault is that he thinks you can allow the system to collapse and then create a new legal theory that solves the exclusionary nature of the law, whereas focault thinks it's inevitable.

I know my philosophers I just haven't read most of the in depth
dreaming of a sunny day
sam!zdat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5559 Posts
October 03 2013 00:04 GMT
#2672
yes the Law is always founded on a repressed act of violence
shikata ga nai
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
October 03 2013 00:17 GMT
#2673
God, I hate Toni Morrison. I can't stand the thought that there are people out there who write papers and books about her shit.
sam!zdat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5559 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-03 00:25:22
October 03 2013 00:24 GMT
#2674
yeah, it's not my thing. but i don't like faulkner either so I'm clearly just a philistine

but the fact that this is about toni morrison is by far the least objectionable thing about this paper! it's barely even about toni morrison.
shikata ga nai
Vegetarian Wolf
Profile Joined May 2010
China434 Posts
October 03 2013 00:27 GMT
#2675
On October 03 2013 09:17 xDaunt wrote:
God, I hate Toni Morrison. I can't stand the thought that there are people out there who write papers and books about her shit.


I espoused a similar sentiment on a bus ride and was called a "pompous racist asshole" by a stranger.

~_~
Awooo...
sam!zdat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5559 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-03 00:29:39
October 03 2013 00:28 GMT
#2676
neatly encapsulating the other half of what is wrong with the academy today

scholastic pretension and PC groupthink. what has sam gotten himself into. should have become a busyness man
shikata ga nai
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
October 03 2013 00:48 GMT
#2677
On October 03 2013 09:24 sam!zdat wrote:
yeah, it's not my thing. but i don't like faulkner either so I'm clearly just a philistine

but the fact that this is about toni morrison is by far the least objectionable thing about this paper! it's barely even about toni morrison.

Hey, I'm the guy that recommended that you go watch South Park's "The Tale of Scrotey McBoogerballs."

On October 03 2013 09:27 Vegetarian Wolf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2013 09:17 xDaunt wrote:
God, I hate Toni Morrison. I can't stand the thought that there are people out there who write papers and books about her shit.


I espoused a similar sentiment on a bus ride and was called a "pompous racist asshole" by a stranger.

~_~


That's the worst part. You can't even criticize her garbage without being called a racist. Oh, how I hate our retardedly, politically correct society.
packrat386
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States5077 Posts
October 03 2013 02:29 GMT
#2678
On October 03 2013 09:17 xDaunt wrote:
God, I hate Toni Morrison. I can't stand the thought that there are people out there who write papers and books about her shit.

I really like Toni Morrison...

I mean, I don't think you're a racist if you don't like here or something. I just wanted to say that I think her books are pretty darn good.
dreaming of a sunny day
metaldragon
Profile Joined October 2009
United States251 Posts
October 03 2013 02:37 GMT
#2679
Just got done reading Steelheart by Brandon Sanderson.

Talk about a amazing ride. I've read plenty of his other work but this one was so FAST PACED compared to other things i have seen from him. I loved the action the pacing and how intense the whole book felt.

The audible version was 13 hours long but It felt like a 3 hour movie!

I recommend it if you a fan of his other works or happen to like great world building.
Xxio
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada5565 Posts
October 03 2013 03:22 GMT
#2680
Which other Sanderson book is it most similar to?

I'm reading a prose translation of The Aeneid right now...

...While he was still begging for mercy, and still had much to say, Aeneas smashed his head to the ground, and as he set the warm trunk rolling, these were the words he spoke with hatred in his heart: 'Lie there now, you fearsome warrior. Your good mother will not bury you in the earth or burden your body with the family tomb. You will be left for the wild birds, or thrown into the sea to be carried away by the waves, and the hungry fish will come and lick your wounds!'


Good stuff.
KTY
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