EPT"...Why they call you Cock Knocker?"
"Actually, there's a funny story behind that, you're gonna love this, true story!"
*POOM*
"Don't fuck with the Jedi Master son!"
Star Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens - Page 182
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riotjune
United States3394 Posts
"...Why they call you Cock Knocker?" "Actually, there's a funny story behind that, you're gonna love this, true story!" *POOM* "Don't fuck with the Jedi Master son!" | ||
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r00ty
Germany1070 Posts
Watched it completely unspoiled last weekend, 2D of course. I cleared my mind and went in with a mindset of expecting nothing great, just hoping for a decent Star Wars movie and i must say i got that and a little more. I really like Rey, Poe, Finn and even Kylo. Great casting. The cinema audience laughed all the time when Kylo took his mask off, wtf? I prefer, when at least some people in a movie look like actual human beings, not only Hollywood lizardmen... It had its flaws, the "poetry" with IV getting out of hand, first of all Starkiller base. The non-Jedi Lightsaber fights were cheesy, yeah Kylo seems really weak sometimes. I would have liked some more background info, but it's ok, there will be 2 more. There was nothing to me which ruined it on a bigger scale. Like midi-chlorians, atrociously boring and stupid dialogue or fail cast annoying child actors. The movie was a safe bet, no risks taken, which is completely understandable. It really felt like Star Wars! I liked the overall pacing and ratio of action, fun, seriousness, dialogue, cheesiness, etc. I think overall it's a well crafted movie and JJ Abrams did better than i expected. I don't really get all the hate. | ||
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B.I.G.
3251 Posts
I had to laugh a few pages back when someone was accused of being an "apologist" for saying something positive about a non-OT star wars movie. Guy A: "I actually kinda liked the Yoda vs Dooku fight" Guy B's face darkens and grabs his plastic lightsaber: "Only an apologist deals in PT positives" | ||
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r00ty
Germany1070 Posts
On January 12 2016 21:01 B.I.G. wrote: Some people just love to hate I guess. Hard for me to understand as well but they seem to enjoy nitpicking something so much it is impossible for them to enjoy something. I kind of feel sorry for them not being able to take a movie for what it is and enjoy the simple entertainment. I had to laugh a few pages back when someone was accused of being an "apologist" for saying something positive about a non-OT star wars movie. Guy A: "I actually kinda liked the Yoda vs Dooku fight" Guy B's face darkens and grabs his plastic lightsaber: "Only an apologist deals in PT positives" I was one of those guys. ^^ You can still get me with midi-Chlorians. The PQs are not good movies to me still, but overall i think the grand story might turn out cool. I watched some theory crafting videos and there's some interesting possibilities of stringing I-IX together nicely. I hope they don't fuck up Rey and keep their style of filming. I'm looking forward to the next one, filming just started i think. | ||
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kwizach
3658 Posts
On January 12 2016 21:01 B.I.G. wrote: Some people just love to hate I guess. Hard for me to understand as well but they seem to enjoy nitpicking something so much it is impossible for them to enjoy something. I kind of feel sorry for them not being able to take a movie for what it is and enjoy the simple entertainment. If you really liked the movie, that's great for you. Why do you have to provoke those who are more critical than you are? Yes, I am more critical than you of the movie, but no, I don't "just love to hate" -- that's an utterly stupid assertion. I'm disappointed in many aspects of the movie, and I wanted it to be more than it is. I don't "enjoy nitpicking", I enjoy analyzing and discussing issues I'm passionate about, and what you see as unimportant details can tell us and reveal a lot about a given movie. I could write the same kind of post as you and portray you (incorrectly) as a drone incapable of any hint of critical thinking and who's going to be happy as long as he gets his dose of mindless entertainment. I would then add that "I kind of feel sorry for" you. Would that be helpful? | ||
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B.I.G.
3251 Posts
And I'll happily accept that I'm not much of a critical thinker when it comes to movies. I guess I'm just a bit annoyed by all the people who keep arguing that this movie is so flawed you have to be an idiot to enjoy it. That might not include you ofcourse but that is kind of the direction every star wars related thread seems to go. Maybe I was just hoping this thread would go more in the direction of sharing trailers for the new movies and some theorycrafting rather than this endless debate on if it's good or bad. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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ShAsTa
Belgium2841 Posts
Rey is likeable but magically seems to know everything/gain mastery very quickly which just reeks of deus ex machina. Kylo Ren would have had some lightsaber training and she defeated him all in all quite easily. And btw he must be one the most laugable villains ever. He looked and acted like a 16 year old brat. Reminded me of Anakin in the prequels except without the skills. Finn started out interesting but he got creepy imo. He became very intense and possessive of Rey. It was weird. And lastly the story is just boring/predictable and replete with plot holes. | ||
KwarK
United States44057 Posts
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strongwind
United States862 Posts
On January 13 2016 03:48 B.I.G. wrote: Don't you at least agree that discussions about this movie sometimes take slightly fanatical tones, and that that is kind of rediculous? And I'll happily accept that I'm not much of a critical thinker when it comes to movies. I guess I'm just a bit annoyed by all the people who keep arguing that this movie is so flawed you have to be an idiot to enjoy it. That might not include you ofcourse but that is kind of the direction every star wars related thread seems to go. Maybe I was just hoping this thread would go more in the direction of sharing trailers for the new movies and some theorycrafting rather than this endless debate on if it's good or bad. I'm pretty sure the majority of posters don't think "you have to be an idiot to enjoy it". Painting people with the broad strokes you've been making is pretty frustrating though. There's been plenty of theorycrafting in this thread, as well as critical reviews of the movie, both good and bad. That's pretty much what I'd expect from this thread. Episode 8 trailers? You're a bit early for that I'm afraid. | ||
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FuzzyJAM
Scotland9300 Posts
On January 13 2016 05:18 KwarK wrote: Ren isn't meant to be intimidating. That's not the way they wrote him. He's meant to be conflicted, out of his depth and unable to see a way back so he keeps going forwards. But then who are we supposed to be intimidated by? Snoke? Ginger General? Phasma? Because a Star Wars film without an intimidating villain is rather questionable, isn't it? | ||
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Essbee
Canada2371 Posts
On January 13 2016 02:26 kwizach wrote: If you really liked the movie, that's great for you. Why do you have to provoke those who are more critical than you are? Yes, I am more critical than you of the movie, but no, I don't "just love to hate" -- that's an utterly stupid assertion. I'm disappointed in many aspects of the movie, and I wanted it to be more than it is. I don't "enjoy nitpicking", I enjoy analyzing and discussing issues I'm passionate about, and what you see as unimportant details can tell us and reveal a lot about a given movie. I could write the same kind of post as you and portray you (incorrectly) as a drone incapable of any hint of critical thinking and who's going to be happy as long as he gets his dose of mindless entertainment. I would then add that "I kind of feel sorry for" you. Would that be helpful? You just summarized what the internet (or just a part of human nature) is all about haha, having a lot of prejudices and categorization. | ||
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oBlade
United States6213 Posts
On January 13 2016 14:20 FuzzyJAM wrote: But then who are we supposed to be intimidated by? Snoke? Ginger General? Phasma? Because a Star Wars film without an intimidating villain is rather questionable, isn't it? Yeah, the returning characters are strong anchors, and they bias the audience towards the good guys, which is good. There's really no menace (as it were) to counterbalance that. On the side of evil, nothing really stands out. In ANH you really feel the Empire hounding them the whole time. Not that the First Order wasn't present, but there wasn't the same kind of tension. This goes back to pacing. They ought to have cut somebody out, and I'm looking at Snoke. The Emperor wasn't in ANH, it was Peter Cushing who was in charge, and Vader was the muscle ("expected to find you holding Vader's leash"). Would have liked if Snoke was cut and we had a stronger Phasma/ginger general. Too cluttered, makes all the characters a bit shallow. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On January 13 2016 14:20 FuzzyJAM wrote: But then who are we supposed to be intimidated by? Snoke? Ginger General? Phasma? Because a Star Wars film without an intimidating villain is rather questionable, isn't it? Ren was meant to be a character that was built down instead of up. He starts out looking like a Vader-wannabe, and then the more you find out about him, the more you realize he really is just a Vader-wannabe. No control, sloppy form, quick temper, and he takes absolutely everything personally. My biggest problem with the movie is that the Starkiller should've fired at the end. Killing Solo was good for breaking the giant nostalgia pit a little, but wiping out the Rebel base would've setup so much for the next two movies, and would've changed the entire makeup of the movie from retreading old ground to a deliberate viewer-setup. And, importantly, absolutely no main-characters would've been lost in doing that (minus the miniscule plot hole where R2 was needed). Guess that would've been far too ballsy for them, though. | ||
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FuzzyJAM
Scotland9300 Posts
And if we're not supposed to be intimidated by anyone, doesn't that leave a gaping hole? A hero's journey without an intimidating villain is not a particularly heroic journey. Now, maybe they're aiming at deliberately undermining the hero's journey. . .but what's the replacement? I really don't get it at all. | ||
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Lebesgue
4542 Posts
On January 13 2016 15:47 ticklishmusic wrote: Yeah, there might have been a few too many bad guys. I think having Snoke as the big bad was necessary, but rolling General Ginger + Phasma would have been okay. Heck, Phasma could have been ditched completely, she was kind of a useless character. To be honest, same applies to the good guys. Too many good characters so you don't get particularly invested in any of them. And because of that everything seems rushed when it comes to developing the new characters. | ||
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Deleted User 101379
4849 Posts
On January 13 2016 15:47 ticklishmusic wrote: Yeah, there might have been a few too many bad guys. I think having Snoke as the big bad was necessary, but rolling General Ginger + Phasma would have been okay. Heck, Phasma could have been ditched completely, she was kind of a useless character. I wonder if eventually googling "General Ginger" will have the star wars character as top result - without needing "Star Wars" as additional search term... I think there is no one who even remembers what he's really called. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On January 13 2016 23:15 Morfildur wrote: I wonder if eventually googling "General Ginger" will have the star wars character as top result - without needing "Star Wars" as additional search term... I think there is no one who even remembers what he's really called. Hux. That is sort of the nature of Star Wars characters. Some of the most memorable characters in 4-6 only have their name said once or twice. Personally, I like it when characters are memorable and get amusing nick names like General Ginger. And let us not forget the true legend, TR-8R, hero of our time. Master of sick spins. | ||
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Orcasgt24
Canada3238 Posts
On January 13 2016 23:18 Plansix wrote: And let us not forget the true legend, TR-8R, hero of our time. Master of sick spins. Ahh yes, the random cannon fodder of the star wars universe showing up and beating the shit out of a main character. Literally never seen a 1v1 involving a faceless, nameless bad guy vs a main character good guy that lopsided towards the bad guy. In any movie. Ever. They could've at least made that guy Phasma so it seems like shes sorta served a purpose other than be a weak willed storm trooper who's afraid of death... On the plus side though that meme is a source of endless hilarity! | ||
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