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On January 10 2016 10:20 Shock710 wrote:
from the flashbacks i guess that it was reys mother or father that was also training with Luke and then thats why after kylo ren killed them all Luke just wanted the child to have nothing to do with the force. But i think thats also wrong cause wouldnt kylo have to be like 30+ then? Assuming he rebelled when he was a teenager joined the darkside and then after like 12 years we get child rey to young adult rey.
Canonically at the time of TFA Rey is 20 and Ren is 30 (I don't think they look like they have a 10 year age gap but whatever that's what wookiepedia says based on neo-EU stuff). So if we say the Jedi Massacre, which no one knows the date of, happened 12-14 years before TFA, that puts Ren at 16-18 and Rey at 6-8. I think that fits with Rey's flashback of whoever stranded her on Jakku.
I personally think it'll be an evil figure that stranded her there and not someone who wanted to protect her because Luke or insert_good_person_here could have just left her with Leia or Han or any number of other people that weren't slave-owning junk dealers. But we'll see.
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If the character ages and the actor ages match, what is the problem?
The idea of Rey's parents being dead, killed by Kylo makes some sense. You can possibly come up with something why a parent would leave their 8 year old child alone on a planet, though you have to come up with something clever. Because you also need to suspend disbelief in the child surviving without any (apparent) friends.
Makes a lot more sense than Leia, Han or Luke being the parents. Even if they left her, how can they also not even tell her that she found her parents. When are they going to tell her now?
Also, for the Luke grave. If he is on a desolate planet, claiming to be lookign for the original Jedi temple (but then you have to keep moving right?), why would there be a grave of a loved one there? Unless he didn't go alone in the first place.
Only thing that makes sense is that he was looking with another jedi, the other jedi died, he buried her/him and quit, staying on the Irish island planet, and that somehow (magically) created an endpoint to his journey so that he would be findable on that map (however it is that it was generated).
Not entirely sure how 8 year olds survive on the streets in our world today, but I think the children band up and that way they manage to survive.
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Kids surviving on their own in nothing new. It happens now a days and it looked like there was some structure that establishment she was at.
I don't know if Rey's parents were there. But if you watch who Kylo kills, the person is dressed like the other people Kylo is standing with in the later shot. I bet we find out that Kylo saved Rey and told her to run and hide. I wouldn't be shocked to find out that Rey was one of the few people Kylo still liked at the end, because she was a child. Personally, I think it would in theme if they had a "big brother to little sister" relationship back then, but have them not be related.
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If Rey and Ren were siblings they'd have made out. This is a Star Wars movie.
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On January 11 2016 02:43 KwarK wrote:
If Rey and Ren were siblings they'd have made out. This is a Star Wars movie. Good call, theory disproven. I think the moment would have been when they were on the precipice with lightsabers locked.
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On January 10 2016 23:50 Plansix wrote:
Kids surviving on their own in nothing new. It happens now a days and it looked like there was some structure that establishment she was at.
If you are a kid in a ghetto aged 8, you need some help from someone or you are fucked. We didn't see any of that except for the alien where she turned her gear in.
The movie was so rushed, we didn't see if she has any friends at all. So she had 0, because there were none shown, That's a bit weird.
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Just watched it and I'm really disappointed.
Like the prequel I'm left with so many questions about the plot.
Did the resistance know about the starkiller? And if not how the fuck did they get a map of it so quickly?
If BB8 knows where the resistance base is, why did they go to Takodana?
How did the First order know where the base of the resistance was? Did Kylo Ren just take it out of Poe's mind?
And other than that, the plot had so many convenient timings and coincidences I rolled my eyes several time during the movie. I don't know which was worse, the fact that the heroes get to enter the Starkiller base (which is the size of a fucking city), capture the captain, get her to the shield control room and randomly find Rey without crossing any resistance or the fact that R2D2 just wakes up at the end to complete the map...
Also I want to know the excuse for the Stormtrooper aim because I doubt there is a master-plan behind it this time...
I will give them that the design was absolutely amazing and that the light-saber fight was more engaging than the retarded dancing ones of the prequel but that's just not enough.
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Finally saw the movie, I managed to do it unspoiled and man what a disappointment !
Firstly the plot, ups sorry, what plot ? There was absolutely none, the first half of the movie is a huge high-speed pursuit, the other half is another death-star attack ... come on !
Secondly the characters.. damn I didn't like a single one of the main characters, they lacked charisma, Kylo should definitely keep his mask, he's much cooler with. The only ones I liked were Pea (the pilot) and of course Han solo and they managed to kill him off, wtf !
Thirdly I'm pretty sure that has been discussed already but the ass-pulled power up of Rey was laughable. The girl didn't even know the Force existed (she thought it was a legend) and suddenly she can manipulate people, pull object and fight with a lightsaber ?? Also I thought lightsaber were weapons only jedis could use, how come Finn can fight with one ?
Besides they managed to beat Kylo (someone who actually had training) with another ass pulled power-up when she closed her eyes and suddenly became stronger ? Wow !
Apparently even Luke couldn't stop Kylo (although it wasn't explicitly said I guess if someone kills all your apprentices you'd at least try to stop him with more than words) and 2 newbies (not even padawans) managed to beat him ?
And the final scene was cheesy as fuck, what's Luke doing staring at the ocean when there is a powerful new organization threatening the whole galaxy ?
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Finn is force sensitive. They don't invest so much time (relatively) in someone who isn't.
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On January 11 2016 04:59 trulojucreathrma.com wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2016 23:50 Plansix wrote:
Kids surviving on their own in nothing new. It happens now a days and it looked like there was some structure that establishment she was at.
If you are a kid in a ghetto aged 8, you need some help from someone or you are fucked. We didn't see any of that except for the alien where she turned her gear in. The movie was so rushed, we didn't see if she has any friends at all. So she had 0, because there were none shown, That's a bit weird.
She doesn't have any friends. She is the loneliest person in the galaxy, that is on purpose. The rest we can fill in the blanks on because the movie doesn't do need to painful describe each character to us.
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Painfully describe each character?
We are on completely different levels. This movie was like a bunch of stuff falling down a stairs. I want a 10 minute long dialogue of 2 people. You think it was't even ADHD enough?
Stories are about characters. She is the main character. She is a huge void that's already perfect.
I downloaded a torrent and they did make her smile every once and a while. She isn't supposed to be intentionally autistic. She must have had relationships on Jukka. She must not have been the only 8 year old on the planet. If you are 8, it doesn't matter who the other person is. As long as there's somewhere around of your age, you are automatically friends.
Given there was no backstory or social enviroment, she should be a feral child, not a flawless classically conditioned jedi teenager.
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It has been pretty clear you and wanted different things from the film. Reys opening sequence had everything I needed to understand where the character is coming from. Either her friends left or she had very few that then moved on.
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On January 11 2016 05:13 trulojucreathrma.com wrote:
Finn is force sensitive. They don't invest so much time (relatively) in someone who isn't.
R2D2, C3PO, Han Solo, Lando and Chewie got a decent amount of time, didn't they?
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On January 11 2016 07:52 trulojucreathrma.com wrote:
Painfully describe each character?
We are on completely different levels. This movie was like a bunch of stuff falling down a stairs. I want a 10 minute long dialogue of 2 people. You think it was't even ADHD enough?
Stories are about characters. She is the main character. She is a huge void that's already perfect.
I downloaded a torrent and they did make her smile every once and a while. She isn't supposed to be intentionally autistic. She must have had relationships on Jukka. She must not have been the only 8 year old on the planet. If you are 8, it doesn't matter who the other person is. As long as there's somewhere around of your age, you are automatically friends.
Given there was no backstory or social enviroment, she should be a feral child, not a flawless classically conditioned jedi teenager.
So ... how exactly are her relations relevant to the plot? She is twenty and can make a living, but other people can't really help her with that. She isn't socially crippled, I think she has some relations to other people, but they clearly aren't important to her. We know for a fact that she at least picks up rumors, f.e. when she talks about Millennium Falcon. We can see that she can work with others, but she seems to be the type that prefers to keep to herself, which is believable for a female very clever streetcat.
I agree that her character might be a bit too far developed. But she has scenes where she clearly isn't in control of the situation.
Not sure what you were expecting. Which action movie/blockbuster has 10 minutes of undisturbed dialogue for background development? Which star wars movie has those 10 minutes?
Besides the movie actually takes some time to describe Rey's and Finn's every day life.
On January 11 2016 05:13 trulojucreathrma.com wrote:
Finn is force sensitive. They don't invest so much time (relatively) in someone who isn't.
They invested lots of time in the Leia+Solo relationship, where Leia never develops her abilities and Solo doesn't have the force. Considering that Finn hits people with blasters but fails every time he takes up the sword and doesn't show any promise in any other way, I think he'll go the pilot/lancer route.
On January 11 2016 05:03 Diavlo wrote:
Just watched it and I'm really disappointed.
Like the prequel I'm left with so many questions about the plot.
Did the resistance know about the starkiller? And if not how the fuck did they get a map of it so quickly?
If BB8 knows where the resistance base is, why did they go to Takodana?
How did the First order know where the base of the resistance was? Did Kylo Ren just take it out of Poe's mind?
And other than that, the plot had so many convenient timings and coincidences I rolled my eyes several time during the movie. I don't know which was worse, the fact that the heroes get to enter the Starkiller base (which is the size of a fucking city), capture the captain, get her to the shield control room and randomly find Rey without crossing any resistance or the fact that R2D2 just wakes up at the end to complete the map...
Also I want to know the excuse for the Stormtrooper aim because I doubt there is a master-plan behind it this time...
I will give them that the design was absolutely amazing and that the light-saber fight was more engaging than the retarded dancing ones of the prequel but that's just not enough.
Apparently the resistance knew about the starkiller, considering that they had lots of info about it. They probably didn't know how it worked exactly before it actually fired.
They made it pretty clear that Solo brought them to Takodana because he didn't want to face Leia.
Kylo getting it from Poe sounds very plausible.
I don't see what's wrong with people entering a complex of the size of a city. Sounds easy to me, especially if you have an insider and maps. Captain and shield control room can both be explained in the same way. They did cross resistance, we can see corpses in the shield control room.
The two convenient things are the rift at the end and the waking up of R2D2. R2D2 waking up might have something to do with Rey, but the rift is a plot device, no doubt. But then again so are + Show Spoiler +the Gungans, the Ewoks, Obi-Wan letting Anakin burn but doesn't kill him, the sudden dumbness of Jedis in episode 3, the ventiduct that leads to the reactor in episode 4, the fact that Luke miraculously survives his fall in episode 5 and even falls to a position where he can stabilize his position with only one arm, the shield generator on Endor instead of on the death star itself in episode 6
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I think people should sit down, breathe, and wait for all three movies before complaining about plotholes and character development. Guys like Darth Vader had 6 movies to develop so lets not shit on kylo rey and finn for not sweeping everyone off their feet in one movie.
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On January 11 2016 18:38 Blackfeather wrote:
So ... how exactly are her relations relevant to the plot?
How is her character development relevant for the plot? You tell me because I don't know.
They invested lots of time in the Leia+Solo relationship, where Leia never develops her abilities and Solo doesn't have the force.
Assuming you are talking about OT, Lucas made those and didn't make this movie. This movie is fanfiction.
Assuming you mean this movie, which would be odd, this movie only has Leia and Han in them because they were in the OT and they need to prove this is a Star Wars movie.
For Finn, there is no good reason why he out of all characters conceivable, has to be one of the leads.
They must have plans for Finn. I mean, he isn't in it just because he is black, right?
And I never said they are incompetent at what they really care for; making money. They really do that well. So given they are not incompetent, I can safely assume that in writing this screenplay, they had some vague idea what the other two were going to be about.
If Finn really makes only a cameo in the next one and he was just a plot vehicle for this movie, I will be truly baffled.
Then again, apart for screenwriters with bad taste, they also have some truly bad ones. I have been too positive about that before.
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On January 12 2016 01:09 trulojucreathrma.com wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2016 18:38 Blackfeather wrote:
So ... how exactly are her relations relevant to the plot? How is her character development relevant for the plot? You tell me because I don't know.
Do you need them to have a discussion about her friends on the planet, how all of them left and she is still waiting for the family that will never come? On top of the non verbal scene where we see her putting marks on the wall and the doll someone made for her or she made herself.
Personally, I hate it when movies over explain things or treat me like I can’t read between the lines.
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Show, don't tell.
Again, they do show a bit. But they show no people/friends/associates. That's the point. Are you paying attention?
They made her appear to look schiizoid. I doubt that's the character development arch they want for a "play all bets 100% safe" Disney production.
Look, even shallow teenagers that review action movies only on youtube say that they notice the characters were transparent/shallow/not relatable.
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They did show it. I saw it and completely understood her character and why she was on Jakku.
Edit: Well if teenagers on youtube are saying it, it must be true.
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Maybe you are just the most shallow person on the world. That would explain a lot.
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