1)should I see this as a standalone movie with a 'you cannot fail' budget, because it is a solid 8/10 for sure, the special effects and how it is such a visually polished movie. Worthy for my money
2)or, should I see this as a fan made starwars movie with a huge budget, because throughout the movie (especially that early scene where first order slaughtered the resistance camp), I just can't help but to think that 'is this really star wars?'.
I mean, I really want to know how George Lucas fucked up the prequels so badly. Because I cannot believe that im actually saying a SW movie needs his odd/quirky 'magical' touch to be a 'proper starwars' movie. SW7 definitely full of nice surprises but comes with many flaws, it is such a emotional ride for me for many reasons. Bloody hell, I think I now know how startrek fans feel when JJAbram's reboot came out....
I'm not going to nitpicking with the science or technology stuffs in it, SW is never about science. Tonnes of cringe-worthy homage scenes to the OT are fine by me, but now I see JJAbram as a dangerous nerd that broke the codes of 'never give what the fans want' that he made so many scenes that only belong in a fan made movie.
I like Fin, the character is developed right there when he walked off in the bar, and thank bloody god he is in 'coma' after being struck by a lightsaber, no one goes unharmed after hitting by a lightsaber. Rey is another good actor is pulling this movie together, but then, you see, a scavenger lives in such harsh condition wouldn't have amazing skin like hers.... and tonnes of near flawless star ships fighting scenes.
1) the 'merchandising' or 'cheapening' of the (sacred) lightsaber. Never once in the whole SW1-6 george lucas sell cheap on lightsaber. Okok in clone wars they are mass produced weapons but never once lightsaber was used to chop trees or a raging tool of some juvenile shitty kid. 2) Worst lightsaber duels in 7 SW movies. Total unnecessary Fin fought with a random stromtropper (just so they can sell toys on that), Rey did an anime moment of defeating Ren or the way she was thrusting with a lightsaber (you can make up excuses for that because she is noob etc but that just looks bad in every way), the strong impression of lightsaber as just 'another weapon' in this movie...both fights are so underwhelming. 3) Han solo could have died in another 2 millions ways better than this shitty....for example, Snoke could have ordered him to do one last task and we would assume it was for killing Rey but turns out it is for killing his father, bam, character development, make a darkside face to show that he has been acting along to lure Han to come near him. 4) Bloody hyperspace travelling shit that you need 1 min to go to anywhere in this universe. 5) juvenile shitty kid could pinpoint Rey accurately in the forest but cant detect her presence in the starkiller base (i am not even going to talk about there is no CCTV in this bloody big base....) 6) Cheapest plot device ever on Force (memory) extracting and force persuade...... 7) British accent on the fleet commander, Rey and Fin, but everyone else is americans?? 8) the overwhelmingly common of everyone in this movie knowing/saying 'luke skywalker'....another great feature of a fan made movie, this is bloody 30years after SW6 and it is supposed to be just a 'myth'.
I mean, welcome back SW, SW2+3 really killed my love on SW but I am looking forward for SW8+9, but at the mean time I am so scared of they would turn out utter shit. I would love Rey killed off Ren right away but by the looks of it they are now the destined rivals. That total fan service of showing Luke+Rey in the end really ruined all the magic of SW. SW used to be cool and SW7 is a cringey fan service fest.
Make Ren disappear in SW8 but introduce another proper sith lord to fight Rey (and then make Ren come back in SW9). Please not another starkiller/death star whatever super weapon. It doesnt need to be more predictive than SW7...
thats it for now, all i can think of. I still do not know if i liked or hated this SW7
Did i fall asleep for part of the movie or are people really criticising mark hamills acting for the ~45 seconds of SILENCE at the end of the film ? In which he turned around, put down his hood and looked at rey ?
I don't know, but no matter how you look at it. Vader vs Obi Wan fight sucks even for that time's standard. OT > PT of course I agree but its ridiculous how some people see OT as a perfect movie when it has numerous flaws
don't give me the " tension and emotion shiz" Because there is none. And the duel being to acrobatic does not make the PT duel bad, a duel like that can be intense and with emotion. Maybe blame the chroreographer , also Maul vs Jedis does not have any relation to each other clearly different when you are trying to son/father.
On December 28 2015 13:41 shin_toss wrote: I don't know, but no matter how you look at it. Vader vs Obi Wan fight sucks even for that time's standard.
Every Lightsaber fight sucks in the original trilogy compared to what happened after it. Look at the crazy shit they do in the cinematics for all the Star Wars games (The Old Republic in particular has absurdly awesome fights in its videos) or in the prequels. Obi Wan vs Anakin is probably the greatest sword fight in movie history.
On December 28 2015 13:41 shin_toss wrote: I don't know, but no matter how you look at it. Vader vs Obi Wan fight sucks even for that time's standard.
Every Lightsaber fight sucks in the original trilogy compared to what happened after it. Look at the crazy shit they do in the cinematics for all the Star Wars games (The Old Republic in particular has absurdly awesome fights in its videos) or in the prequels. Obi Wan vs Anakin is probably the greatest sword fight in movie history.
My top 3 would be 1. Luke vs Vader Ep5 (really liked the dark and just quiet ambience to it) 2. Rey vs Kylo Ep7 3. Anakin vs Obi Wan Ep 3
And yeah I've seen The Old Republic game cinematics, but it looks good because its pure CGI, some moves of the actors in all of Starwars are kind awkward.
On December 28 2015 10:52 Capped wrote: Did i fall asleep for part of the movie or are people really criticising mark hamills acting for the ~45 seconds of SILENCE at the end of the film ? In which he turned around, put down his hood and looked at rey ?
What in the flying fuck ?
I think they're probably talking about New Hope Mark Hamill. Most of the people I've seen criticizing that scene in this movie are mostly annoyed with the fact that they decided to make it 45 seconds and pan around the scene like three times with a chopper I think when it didn't even really need to be in the movie. You could have easily just cut to black after R2D2 booted up.
Also, you can't have a jumping off the walls prequel lightsaber dance fight with an angsty, held-back-by-his-master Sith apprentice, a stormtrooper, and a girl who has never touched a lightsaber before in her life after virtually all the training and knowledge of lightsaber forms has been lost to the universe. Now THAT would have truly been going into the realm of absurd fanservice.
(if they can make even a single fight in this trilogy as good as the Vader/Luke fight at the end of Jedi they'll have done a good job imo, any flipping acrobatics just will be nonsensical given what has happened to the Jedi teachings unless they handwave with Holocrons)
If Rey is also a Skywalker, then that's really bad. There's like a gazillion people in the entire universe. Luke had many force sensitives as pupils. Why must they all be Skywalkers?
Why would Luke dump his child on a trash planet and leave? Did he forget how he disliked that? And she seemed even more troubled by it. At least Luke had a steady but boring life. Looks like Rey was both struggling as well as disturbed by her family abandoning her.
If anything, she is a talented force sensitive that was trained and had to be mind wiped to protect her against Snoke as long as there were no Jedi/Luke to train/protect her from the dark side.
Abrams fucking sucks. But at least his antics are kind of belonging to the style of Star Wars. His Star Trek stories had worse dialogue and worse plot than the worst ever in Star Wars. And Star Trek is supposed to be the thinking man's version. Ok, all Star Trek movies ever were 1 dimensional. But there's the series.
At least Abrams just came out, said he disliked/didnt understand Star Trek, wanted to make a shitload of money, so just produced whatever the market research department told him would sell. Then put a Star Trek label on it, because the right at that point were cheap, and gain some more attention/discussion/free advertising.
If you make such a trash movie in the Star Trek universe, you have no moral compass and are just a bad person. Wouldn't trust a dog or cat with Abrams.
On December 28 2015 13:41 shin_toss wrote: I don't know, but no matter how you look at it. Vader vs Obi Wan fight sucks even for that time's standard. OT > PT of course I agree but its ridiculous how some people see OT as a perfect movie when it has numerous flaws
don't give me the " tension and emotion shiz" Because there is none. And the duel being to acrobatic does not make the PT duel bad, a duel like that can be intense and with emotion. Maybe blame the chroreographer , also Maul vs Jedis does not have any relation to each other clearly different when you are trying to son/father.
I'm not arguing OT is perfect. Some of the biggest plot difficulties the prequels struggle with have their origin in the Originals. I am saying no-one argued that Darth Vader was an old cripple prior to the prequels. In many ways the sword fighting belongs to two separate universes. If you threw Ip Man into Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon, does that suddenly make him a terrible fighter? Maybe, but that's because the abilities and limitations are completely different in kung fu vs wire-fu movies. The prequels introduce this new problem into the universe. Yes, the fights are impressive, but it undercuts the power of the Jedi in the Originals.
I honestly have a hard time having any sword fight that tops Princess Bride- most modern fights won't let the action play out and let the sword fight itself be the center piece of action. Too often the editing, fast cuts, shaky cam, and slow motion to speed up is the true centre piece- particularly when the camera is so zoomed in that the action is impossible to discern.
Abrams fucking sucks...
If you make such a trash movie in the Star Trek universe, you have no moral compass and are just a bad person. Wouldn't trust a dog or cat with Abrams.
On December 28 2015 13:41 shin_toss wrote: I don't know, but no matter how you look at it. Vader vs Obi Wan fight sucks even for that time's standard.
Every Lightsaber fight sucks in the original trilogy compared to what happened after it. Look at the crazy shit they do in the cinematics for all the Star Wars games (The Old Republic in particular has absurdly awesome fights in its videos) or in the prequels. Obi Wan vs Anakin is probably the greatest sword fight in movie history.
If you think that the sword fight between Obi Wan and Anakin is the "greatest sword fight in movie history" I'd recommend watching some japanese movies. The difference between japanese actors and western actors is that the former often have had martial arts training since they were young (about one in three of japanese adults is enrolled in Kendo classes). As a result the stunt choreographers do not have to teach the actors how swords work on-set and can just immediately go on to the cool stuff, and do it on a much higher level.
It might be a matter of taste, but if I had to choose between this or any lightsabre duel, it'd be the former by a long shot. Notice the complete lack of CGI and useless pirouettes and swings.
If Rey is also a Skywalker, then that's really bad. There's like a gazillion people in the entire universe. Luke had many force sensitives as pupils. Why must they all be Skywalkers?
Why would Luke dump his child on a trash planet and leave? Did he forget how he disliked that? And she seemed even more troubled by it. At least Luke had a steady but boring life. Looks like Rey was both struggling as well as disturbed by her family abandoning her.
If anything, she is a talented force sensitive that was trained and had to be mind wiped to protect her against Snoke as long as there were no Jedi/Luke to train/protect her from the dark side.
Abrams fucking sucks. But at least his antics are kind of belonging to the style of Star Wars. His Star Trek stories had worse dialogue and worse plot than the worst ever in Star Wars. And Star Trek is supposed to be the thinking man's version. Ok, all Star Trek movies ever were 1 dimensional. But there's the series.
At least Abrams just came out, said he disliked/didnt understand Star Trek, wanted to make a shitload of money, so just produced whatever the market research department told him would sell. Then put a Star Trek label on it, because the right at that point were cheap, and gain some more attention/discussion/free advertising.
If you make such a trash movie in the Star Trek universe, you have no moral compass and are just a bad person. Wouldn't trust a dog or cat with Abrams.
relax, bro, did my joke fly over your head haha + Show Spoiler +
i thought it is an obvious joke, thats why i didnt even spoiler it because everyone knows they are siblings
and no it makes sense for luke to just abandon everything (including Rey) after something (Ren) fucked up his jedi academy, the biggest hint of Rey relating to Luke is when she ran away from force in the beginning, i thought it is a subtle mirroring to Luke abandoning his path. Luke in OT has never been a determined fighter to 'save the world' (thats why i like it).
And yup, i lost all my faith to JJAbram after SW7, i have always felt strongly that the way he playing safe is his biggest strength, in the modern movie industry, you need to have a good balance between 'safe' and 'creativity', but this time his unleashed strong fanboyism truly disrupted the force...badly....
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