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Rudolph
United States161 Posts
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TheRealArtemis
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In the books Smaug was a dragon right? (four legs, two wings) But they called him a fire drake (Younger dragon) in the first hobbit movie. And now I heard they changed him into a wyvern (two legs, two wings as front legs.) because of some 3d rendering of a bat?? O_o Even though he obviously was shown as a dragon in the first movie..? u_u Anyways, looking forward to it, hopefully it wont have as much roller coaster action as the first one. | ||
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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
On December 09 2013 04:50 TheRealArtemis wrote: So I'm a bit confused, and I'm getting different information about this movie. In the books Smaug was a dragon right? (four legs, two wings) But they called him a fire drake (Younger dragon) in the first hobbit movie. And now I heard they changed him into a wyvern (two legs, two wings as front legs.) because of some 3d rendering of a bat?? O_o Even though he obviously was shown as a dragon in the first movie..? u_u Anyways, looking forward to it, hopefully it wont have as much roller coaster action as the first one. Be careful with your word choices. Tolkien's dragons did not necessarily have four legs and two wings. He did not use the word "drake" like you do. And, as far as I am aware, he never used the word "wyvern". | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Dunmer
United Kingdom568 Posts
So I'm a bit confused, and I'm getting different information about this movie. In the books Smaug was a dragon right? (four legs, two wings) But they called him a fire drake (Younger dragon) in the first hobbit movie. And now I heard they changed him into a wyvern (two legs, two wings as front legs.) because of some 3d rendering of a bat?? O_o Even though he obviously was shown as a dragon in the first movie..? u_u Anyways, looking forward to it, hopefully it wont have as much roller coaster action as the first one. [/QUOTE Note that Smaug is also referred to as a "worm" in the Hobbit. Glaurung is called the Gold-worm of Angband, and there was also another wingless cold-dragon named Scatha the Worm. It appears that for Tolkien drake, wyrm, worm, serpent, and dragon were synonyms. And I didn't pay much attention but I'm not sure if its 4 legs and 2 wings or 2 legs and 2 wings as front legs. We will see Friday  | ||
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Birdie
New Zealand4438 Posts
not exactly the same as what I remember from the book, but it roughly follows along. | ||
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ragnorr
Denmark6097 Posts
On December 11 2013 23:22 Birdie wrote: Just saw it, it's not bad not exactly the same as what I remember from the book, but it roughly follows along.I found it ok, but i feel like it is far to drawn out for 3 movies | ||
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SpikeStarcraft
Germany2095 Posts
It seems like 75/25 split between action/plot. Thats just insane. I mean when Bombur (the fat dwarf) rolls over orcs with his barrel at least 5 times, i was just laughing out loud. Its just so overdone to the point that its mindless entertainment. Someone has to write that shit down, right? Wouldnt they see how ridiculous it is? I really like that they've added a lot of Dol Guldur stuff though. I've not been reading too much of the appendix so its nice to get some extra stuff. | ||
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Birdie
New Zealand4438 Posts
On December 13 2013 08:41 SpikeStarcraft wrote:It seems like 75/25 split between action/plot. Thats just insane. I mean when Bombur (the fat dwarf) rolls over orcs with his barrel at least 5 times, i was just laughing out loud. Its just so overdone to the point that its mindless entertainment. Someone has to write that shit down, right? Wouldnt they see how ridiculous it is? The Hobbit in general feels a lot less dark than LotR, which from what I recall of the book (haven't read it in a while) holds well with the difference in the two books. Bombur's barrel bust was hilarious and didn't bother me at all  | ||
Nyovne
Netherlands19141 Posts
 It's just inspired by the hobbit but not even close to translating the book to film. It annoys me even as a movie, apart from being based on a book and whats lost in translation, so much. | ||
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Falling
Canada11586 Posts
As for interpretation- I have become a receptive to purposeful interpretations compared to when I first saw the original trilogy and after initially enjoying it, absolutely hating it entirely for it's changes. I suspect I'll enjoy it, but we'll see. | ||
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qotsager
Germany585 Posts
On December 13 2013 09:48 Nyovne wrote: Hated this one as much as the first one. It's just inspired by the hobbit but not even close to translating the book to film. It annoys me even as a movie, apart from being based on a book and whats lost in translation, so much. yeah me too. found it even worse. i am actually tempted to write a blog about everything i disliked. the hobbit is one of my favourite books, and the movies do not even begin to come close to the perfection that book is in my eyes. just some examples: the camera work. + Show Spoiler + i'm not sure how much of it is part of trying to milk the 3d effects, but some of the cuts and shots were just completely destroying a scene in my opinion. for example, right at the start, prancing pony, like 3 second shot of a cat. why. and then when thorin and gandalf are talking, short cut to the dish that's being served to gandalf. completely destroyed the dialoque. is it because the two can't do the whole scene in one shot? i don't think so. this should be about bilbo, right? + Show Spoiler + well it ain't. not this movie at least. thorin, gandalf, fucking legolas and maybe bard/bart(?) play a more important role. i understand that the lord of the rings provides too much material to make everything into one or even three movies without leaving some parts out. the hobbit however should be short(hehe) enough to make into one movie? they're making three? sweet, i guess jackson really wants to do the book justice! NOPE. he cuts very lengthy scenes short, he just invents stuff to get in some action and maybe a bit of a love story because that's what makes a good movie. :| the antagonists. + Show Spoiler + why the hell does every bad person in this universe have to be either ugly or ridiculous? (save for smaug, maybe) the mayor of laketown or what it's called really takes the cake on that one. same goes for the goblin king in the first movie. i'd like to be able to take the bad guys seriously. beorn. + Show Spoiler + maybe i'm mistaken on that one, but i think i remember the book drawing a bit of a different picture of that man. and i do not like jacksons version. also the shot of the bees when they get there. "oh darn this is 3d remember? haven't really had a shot in some time that made that obvious. here, let's make those bees fly around over the audience." the characters. + Show Spoiler + i don't like them. not very much at least. bilbo is this weird, spider slaying bad ass but not too much of a bad ass because he is actually more of a sneaky guy but if he wouldn't kill anything, that would be boring. blegh. when they reach the secret entrance to erebor, the dwarves engage in maybe 3 minutes of trying to open it, to then instantly after the sun is gone resign. i thought dwarves were stubborn? didn't they go through a bit of trouble to get there? shouldn't they try A LITTLE harder? also, why the fuck does biblo almost kick the key off the mountain. seriously. finally, the ending. + Show Spoiler + one of the few things i liked was smaug, and his dialoque with bilbo. but that was so incredibly out of tune with the rest of the film it almost made me dislike it. i also liked the decision to end the movie with smaug flying towards the town, but the last sentences spoken made me crack up. the whole action packed, endless scene with all the dwarves running from/fighting/trying to trap smaug made no sense. the viewer had no idea at any point was thorins plan was, it destroyed the calm but menacing tone of the scene bilbo and smaug had set and was, in my eyes, completely unnecessary. (also, bilbo interacting with smaug and the whole sneaking into erebor is one of my favourite parts in be book, besides maybe the part in the mirkwood, which jackson also butchered) so i really didnt like it. i could go on for a bit actually. sorry if you enjoyed it and think i'm a dork, but the hobbit is one of my dearest childhood memories and i couldn't get rid of the feeling that peter jackson didn't really care about the book. maybe he considers the original story to be too "slow" for the modern viewer. i don't think it needed much speeding up. Edit: spelling | ||
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Rudolph
United States161 Posts
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Falling
Canada11586 Posts
when they reach the secret entrance to erebor, the dwarves engage in maybe 3 minutes of trying to open it, to then instantly after the sun is gone resign. i thought dwarves were stubborn? didn't they go through a bit of trouble to get there? shouldn't they try A LITTLE harde This at least is in keeping with The Hobbit book. + Show Spoiler + When the dwarves reach back entrance, they try to open up the door and seem to forget entirely about the whole Durin's Day, thrush knocking and key. The others who were busy with the secret of the door had no more success. They were too eager to trouble about the runes or the moon- letters, but tried without resting to discover where exactly in the smooth face of the rock the door was hidden. They had brought picks and tools of many sorts from Lake - town, and at first they tried to use these. But when they struck the stone the handles splintered and jarred their arms cruelly, and the steel heads broke or bent like lead. Mining work, they saw clearly was no good against the magic that had shut this door; and they grew terrified, too, of the echoing noise Now they are there a full day in advance, but they really don't seem to spend much time trying to open the door and indeed don't seem to have much of a plan or even remember about what the rune's said about opening the door. Indeed, even when the keyhole is revealed, it is only Bilbo who remembers about the key as most of the dwarves just try to open it without it. gleam of light came straight through the openinginto the bay and fell on the smooth rock -face. The old thrush, who had been watching from a high perch with beady eyes and head cocked on one side, gave a sudden trill. There was a loud attack. A flake of rock split from the wall and fell. A hole appeared suddenly about three feet from the ground. Quickly, trembling lest the chance should fade, the dwarves rushed to the rock and pushed in vain. "The key! The key!" cried Bilbo. "Where is Thorin?" Thorin hurried up. "The key!" shouted Bilbo. "The key that went with the map! Try it now while there is still time!" Then Thorin stepped up and drew the key on its chain from round his neck. He put it to the hole. It fitted and it turned! Snap! The gleam went out, the sun sank, the moon was gone, and evening sprang into the sky. | ||
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Guitar Picker
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Rudolph
United States161 Posts
On December 14 2013 06:26 Guitar Picker wrote: The thing I enjoy the most about this movie, without having even seen it yet, is the butthurt people who think they're experts on The Hobbit complaining about the movie. Not everyone was a nerd like you when they were kids and read the book like the God damn Bible. Give me mindless entertaining action scenes over a movie about boring ass nerd lore and paying tribute to obscure crap in the book anyday. I think what everyone wants is a happy medium. This movie was definitely more action than plot, but I thoroughly enjoyed the plot and movie as a whole anyways. | ||
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qotsager
Germany585 Posts
On December 14 2013 06:26 Guitar Picker wrote: The thing I enjoy the most about this movie, without having even seen it yet, is the butthurt people who think they're experts on The Hobbit complaining about the movie. Not everyone was a nerd like you when they were kids and read the book like the God damn Bible. Give me mindless entertaining action scenes over a movie about boring ass nerd lore and paying tribute to obscure crap in the book anyday. if you consider the book "boring ass nerd lore" i'm surprised you are planning to go see the movie. have you read the hobbit? | ||
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Falling
Canada11586 Posts
On December 14 2013 06:26 Guitar Picker wrote: The thing I enjoy the most about this movie, without having even seen it yet, is the butthurt people who think they're experts on The Hobbit complaining about the movie. Not everyone was a nerd like you when they were kids and read the book like the God damn Bible. Give me mindless entertaining action scenes over a movie about boring ass nerd lore and paying tribute to obscure crap in the book anyday. While some perhaps go too far in their insistence on fidelity to the book, this goes wildly too far in the opposite direction. I hope that we have a higher standard for interpreting and adapting stories to the screen beyond "mindless entertaining action scenes," or at least I have a higher standard. It was the attention to 'boring ass nerd lore' in the first film that made it easier to forgive the action excesses. Your respect and knowledge of The Hobbit is rather frightful as you would have found that it is in fact rather light on nerd lore and obscure crap. A sentence here, a phrase there, but on the whole the book does not contain more than passing allusions to past legends. It is an efficient, punchy book that reads very well out loud, in nightly episodes. | ||
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qotsager
Germany585 Posts
On December 14 2013 06:01 Falling wrote: + Show Spoiler + when they reach the secret entrance to erebor, the dwarves engage in maybe 3 minutes of trying to open it, to then instantly after the sun is gone resign. i thought dwarves were stubborn? didn't they go through a bit of trouble to get there? shouldn't they try A LITTLE harde This at least is in keeping with The Hobbit book. + Show Spoiler + When the dwarves reach back entrance, they try to open up the door and seem to forget entirely about the whole Durin's Day, thrush knocking and key. The others who were busy with the secret of the door had no more success. They were too eager to trouble about the runes or the moon- letters, but tried without resting to discover where exactly in the smooth face of the rock the door was hidden. They had brought picks and tools of many sorts from Lake - town, and at first they tried to use these. But when they struck the stone the handles splintered and jarred their arms cruelly, and the steel heads broke or bent like lead. Mining work, they saw clearly was no good against the magic that had shut this door; and they grew terrified, too, of the echoing noise Now they are there a full day in advance, but they really don't seem to spend much time trying to open the door and indeed don't seem to have much of a plan or even remember about what the rune's said about opening the door. Indeed, even when the keyhole is revealed, it is only Bilbo who remembers about the key as most of the dwarves just try to open it without it. gleam of light came straight through the openinginto the bay and fell on the smooth rock -face. The old thrush, who had been watching from a high perch with beady eyes and head cocked on one side, gave a sudden trill. There was a loud attack. A flake of rock split from the wall and fell. A hole appeared suddenly about three feet from the ground. Quickly, trembling lest the chance should fade, the dwarves rushed to the rock and pushed in vain. "The key! The key!" cried Bilbo. "Where is Thorin?" Thorin hurried up. "The key!" shouted Bilbo. "The key that went with the map! Try it now while there is still time!" Then Thorin stepped up and drew the key on its chain from round his neck. He put it to the hole. It fitted and it turned! Snap! The gleam went out, the sun sank, the moon was gone, and evening sprang into the sky. right, i somehow remembered that differently. should read it again i suppose ^^ | ||
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