this LoK's focus is making some things that were overlooked brought to light, but in a sort of bad way; i'm sure they'll clear them up a bit more later on as we learn more things, but for example...
in TLA it was pretty simple; people could bend 4 different elements, we didn't really care about anything other than that (even if some people "couldn't" bend)
now it looks like bending may be genetic (or work something similar to it) and we are brought back to the point made in TLA that before bending the elements, people bent energy... ??? and that people learned earthbending from moles, firebending from dragons, etc.
so idk about you guys, i just hope they clear these things up o.o i would be a bit disappointed if they don't, i know the creators can handle it and probably planned it out beforehand but whether or not they make it clear in the show or let us interpret it is what i'm worried about
So... what exactly do you think hasn't been cleared up yet? It sounds to me like you just stated a bunch of stuff we already know. Are you saying that LOK has been contradicting TLA in terms of how bending works, who can do it, and the history of its development?
not exactly contradicting, but there are things that don't make sense to me >.<
so i have some questions, if anyone can answer them then (or make sense of them) then awesome :D
Can everyone bend? Or is it something you're born with? If not, why?
How come back then, people bent energy, but now they are limited to elements?
Why was Aang able to bend Ozai's energy, even though he is an airbender?
Did people learn earthbending from moles and firebending from dragons, etc., and then they taught their children to bend also, or were the children born with it?
Why doesn't it seem that people can bend energy anymore, or can they?
this LoK's focus is making some things that were overlooked brought to light, but in a sort of bad way; i'm sure they'll clear them up a bit more later on as we learn more things, but for example...
in TLA it was pretty simple; people could bend 4 different elements, we didn't really care about anything other than that (even if some people "couldn't" bend)
now it looks like bending may be genetic (or work something similar to it) and we are brought back to the point made in TLA that before bending the elements, people bent energy... ??? and that people learned earthbending from moles, firebending from dragons, etc.
so idk about you guys, i just hope they clear these things up o.o i would be a bit disappointed if they don't, i know the creators can handle it and probably planned it out beforehand but whether or not they make it clear in the show or let us interpret it is what i'm worried about
So... what exactly do you think hasn't been cleared up yet? It sounds to me like you just stated a bunch of stuff we already know. Are you saying that LOK has been contradicting TLA in terms of how bending works, who can do it, and the history of its development?
not exactly contradicting, but there are things that don't make sense to me >.<
so i have some questions, if anyone can answer them then (or make sense of them) then awesome :D
Can everyone bend? Or is it something you're born with? If not, why?
How come back then, people bent energy, but now they are limited to elements?
Why was Aang able to bend Ozai's energy, even though he is an airbender?
Did people learn earthbending from moles and firebending from dragons, etc., and then they taught their children to bend also, or were the children born with it?
Why doesn't it seem that people can bend energy anymore, or can they?
Why can only the avatar bend all 4 elements?
1. no. because they cant. 2. no idea where you got that from and "back then" is not really accurate 3. Aang was able to because it was shown to him by a lionturtle 4.predisposition + teaching 5. again no idea where you got that from 6. because he's the avatar.
On May 20 2012 16:31 onewingedmoogle wrote: just had a thought. could it be possible that amon actually can't take a person's bending away and that he only bluffed it by having his victims cooperated with him? the people he stripped of their bending were some rather shady and dishonest characters who could just be his allies pretending to have lost their bending. the only person. if bolin had lost his bending it would have been hard to dispute, but as it stands no note worthy characters have been affected. also his method of taking away bending has no visual indicators like energy bending did in TLA. it would be pretty entertaining if he was just decieving the city into believing he has a power he doesn't actually have.
It was pretty clear Amon was going to remove Bolins bending until Korra saved him. So there is no chance of this.
My guess is that Amon has the power of another spirit being (Such as Korra, or the Face Stealer) and this is the reason he is able to remove people's bending.
Either that or he is one of an extremely rare few who was born with the power to Energy bend.
yeah i'm pretty sure amons not faking it, if he was faking it he wouldnt have excepted korra to stop him and steal bolin, so he would have talked to all of the people that he was going to take bending away from, since he didnt mention anything to bolin i assume its cause it doesnt need them to pretend and he can do it for real
"Though each nation is affiliated to a specific bending art, not all from any nation, with the exception of the Air Nomads, are born with the ability to bend. It is unclear how the ability to bend is distributed amongst the population or how closely it is linked to heredity; even among identical twins it is possible for one to be a bender and the other not."
Hm that's interesting... I didn't know that. I wonder if there's a reason the writers decided that all air nomads are born with the ability to bend?
this LoK's focus is making some things that were overlooked brought to light, but in a sort of bad way; i'm sure they'll clear them up a bit more later on as we learn more things, but for example...
in TLA it was pretty simple; people could bend 4 different elements, we didn't really care about anything other than that (even if some people "couldn't" bend)
now it looks like bending may be genetic (or work something similar to it) and we are brought back to the point made in TLA that before bending the elements, people bent energy... ??? and that people learned earthbending from moles, firebending from dragons, etc.
so idk about you guys, i just hope they clear these things up o.o i would be a bit disappointed if they don't, i know the creators can handle it and probably planned it out beforehand but whether or not they make it clear in the show or let us interpret it is what i'm worried about
So... what exactly do you think hasn't been cleared up yet? It sounds to me like you just stated a bunch of stuff we already know. Are you saying that LOK has been contradicting TLA in terms of how bending works, who can do it, and the history of its development?
not exactly contradicting, but there are things that don't make sense to me >.<
so i have some questions, if anyone can answer them then (or make sense of them) then awesome :D
Can everyone bend? Or is it something you're born with? If not, why?
How come back then, people bent energy, but now they are limited to elements?
Why was Aang able to bend Ozai's energy, even though he is an airbender?
Did people learn earthbending from moles and firebending from dragons, etc., and then they taught their children to bend also, or were the children born with it?
Why doesn't it seem that people can bend energy anymore, or can they?
Why can only the avatar bend all 4 elements?
1. no. because they cant. 2. no idea where you got that from and "back then" is not really accurate 3. Aang was able to because it was shown to him by a lionturtle 4.predisposition + teaching 5. again no idea where you got that from 6. because he's the avatar.
People could bend energy? what when? source plz?(maybe mentioned in TLA, but i forgot) ^^ that would cool yeah Aang got it from the lionturtle, so only he has it and amon but amon said he got his ability from a spirit and i'm pretty sure Aang said the lionturtle was the biggest animal in the world (tho he was untraceable on the lionturtle, tho the lionturtle did drop him off to fight the firelord straight after so i guess the lionturtle is part of the normal world and not the spirit world) I'm pretty sure its a bit like harry potter, where if ur born with the magic gene u can do some magic but without training u cant use it with control. So i guess the moles and the dragons taught refinement and technique. The avatar is just special and connect with the spirit world so i guess that the spirits granted the avatar the ability to bend all the elements to bring balance to the world making sure the kings for the 4 nations dont step out of line. and again back to harrypotter for why some and some cant bend its probably the way dominant genes work in harry potter where u can get people with magical parents but a magic-less kid (squib) its pure luck, but u probaby will have better chances with both parents being benders.
"Though each nation is affiliated to a specific bending art, not all from any nation, with the exception of the Air Nomads, are born with the ability to bend. It is unclear how the ability to bend is distributed amongst the population or how closely it is linked to heredity; even among identical twins it is possible for one to be a bender and the other not."
Hm that's interesting... I didn't know that. I wonder if there's a reason the writers decided that all air nomads are born with the ability to bend?
oh yeah my friend mentioned all air nomads could air bend because they were so linked with the spirit world (which i guess they can grant bending, avatar 4 bending powers and amon who has anti-bending)
On May 20 2012 16:52 SkelA wrote: Is it only me thinking Asami is still somehow the bad guy/girl and we gonna be surprised with a plot tweest in the future episodes ?
she's Amand
I think Asami is Amon. Also I think Hiroshi doesn't know Amon's true identity.
"Though each nation is affiliated to a specific bending art, not all from any nation, with the exception of the Air Nomads, are born with the ability to bend. It is unclear how the ability to bend is distributed amongst the population or how closely it is linked to heredity; even among identical twins it is possible for one to be a bender and the other not."
Hm that's interesting... I didn't know that. I wonder if there's a reason the writers decided that all air nomads are born with the ability to bend?
We talked about this a while ago. Bending is largely based on spirituality. The Air Nomads are very spiritual. They're all friggen monks, after all. So they all can be benders.
You know, you found that everyone could energybend (I'll just assume your source actually says that). So maybe the Equalists will get what they want in the end. Maybe they'll get equality. Just, the other way around. People will remember how to energybend. Everyone will be a bender. :OOOOOO
So for this episode, I thought it was pretty neat. It wasn't as exciting as the last one but it was fun, and Bolin is hilarious.
Cabbage Corp. YES! The entire time they were doing the buildup I was like "no fucking way. They're not. They're actually ... the theories were correct? The jokse were true?" Was awesome and I coudln't stop smiling.
When they walked into his workshop that was empty, I started saying outloud "wait, what the fuck? The metalbenders are wearing shoes. Why are they wearing sho--" and then Lin took the soles off her shoes. Still, why were they on in the first place? After being taught by Toph you'd think they'd use their seisemic sense more often (all the fucking time?). That is an INCREDIBLY valuable tool and just becasue you have real vision is no excuse to not use that one. Stupid!
The rest of the episode was okay. I thought some things were pretty stupid though. They had suspicions that there was the factory below... so why take an entire blimp and a bunch of police force dudes check it out? They admit that it was risky. That info coud have been complete BS. So... you take Lin and just fucking earthbend tunnel and search for the factory that way. If it doesnt exist, fine. Cool. No loss. If it does, you come back with backup. And don't tell me it's impossible... Bolin did it like 6 minutes later.
The fight with the mechs... The mechs won because they had to. They were just introduced. Just like the Chi Blockers raped shit, but later (ep 6) they were fought off. The entire time I was thinking just how easy they were to fight. 1) The metalbenders have cables. Remember the battle of Hoth? USE YOUR TOW CABLE! 2) The metalbenders are EARTH BENDERS TOO. THROW BOULDERS AT THEM. 3) Actually, on that note... an earthbender just has to be creative. Lift a pillar under it's left foot... it tips over. Do the opposite: drop two 'pillars' downards and have it get stranded in earth. Throw a giant wall of rock at him. The possibilities are nearly endless... 4) A master airbender can do some crazy shit. Tenzin could have easily made a wind blade to slice that shit in half (some wind blades in TLA fuck shit up). 5) Lightning. Apparently lightning is no big deal anymore, as far as creating it. Lightning is also 100% fatal (when shot from a bender -- magic spiritwater and a fantastic healer notwithstanding). Shoot that at a giant mechanized robot and the guy inside gets cooked alive or something. ** A little tangent here... ilghtning redirection was possible. Can the 'tazer' effects being used by the equalists be blocked by firebenders in a similar fashion? 6) Cook them alive or something. Yay firebending!
and I could probably go on but this post is way too long and a lot of the shit I'm saying isn't important.
I missed the episode on saturday and had to wait a few days until I could watch it online, all the while this thread was on the front page for days...it was so hard to resist clicking and getting spoilered...
So you want to know why some people can bend and some people can't in the world of avatar? It is part genetics and part spiritual. Someone made an interesting video theorizing the process. It seems pretty accurate to me.
What if, before Aang's death, he sensed the direction republic city was going, or felt like it was going that way, and gave energybending to somebody else so that they could "rebalance" the city, especially since he wanted the new avatar to stay away? And Amon just lost control or went crazy because of it over time? After all, that energybending wiki says the lion turtle was the last energybender, and only Aang had it after that. And if energybending predates the Avatar like it says, that means no other Avatar had energy bending, which means Aang would be the only "spiritual" thing that could have it, maybe?
Unlikely... but it would be SUCH a cool plot twist!! Haha.
Edit: Another quote from that page "The lion turtle told him that in the era before the Avatar existed, the benders did not bend the elements, but the energy within themselves. In order to bend another's life energy, their own spirit must be un-bendable, or they would be corrupted and destroyed.[4]"
What if Amon had good intentions but was corrupted the first time he ever tried it? :O
Edit #2: "Energybending is an extremely powerful and potentially dangerous technique. If the bender's spirit is even slightly weak, or bendable, then they will be infected by the spirit of the one they are bending. As a result, the bender can be corrupted and even killed.[4]"
So far, Amon has only destroyed weak, incompetent people. What if he tries to take over Korra and she just owns him? Or even Tenzin for that matter.
I'm just waiting for when amon realizes what he is doing is bending and that he is exactly what he sets out to hate, which people will figure out eventually leading to a big revolution against amon's bad deeds. Blah blah blah, avatar rallies the people against amons loyalists, enter fire lord ozai part 2 big battle, bad guys gets whats coming to him, shows over. After Korra learns air bending of course which she will once she stops the romantic blah blah teen angst and grows up to see "who she really is" which allows her to get in touch with her past avatars, which will let her find aang and talk to him, which will unlock the avatar state, which will defeat amon in a flashy amazing last episode.
On May 22 2012 02:11 FragRaptor wrote: I'm just waiting for when amon realizes what he is doing is bending and that he is exactly what he sets out to hate, which people will figure out eventually leading to a big revolution against amon's bad deeds. Blah blah blah, avatar rallies the people against amons loyalists, enter fire lord ozai part 2 big battle, bad guys gets whats coming to him, shows over. After Korra learns air bending of course which she will once she stops the romantic blah blah teen angst and grows up to see "who she really is" which allows her to get in touch with her past avatars, which will let her find aang and talk to him, which will unlock the avatar state, which will defeat amon in a flashy amazing last episode.
IE Standard avatar stuff
I think amon already knows he is bending but is justifying the means with his end goal.
"Though each nation is affiliated to a specific bending art, not all from any nation, with the exception of the Air Nomads, are born with the ability to bend. It is unclear how the ability to bend is distributed amongst the population or how closely it is linked to heredity; even among identical twins it is possible for one to be a bender and the other not."
Hm that's interesting... I didn't know that. I wonder if there's a reason the writers decided that all air nomads are born with the ability to bend?
We talked about this a while ago. Bending is largely based on spirituality. The Air Nomads are very spiritual. They're all friggen monks, after all. So they all can be benders.
You know, you found that everyone could energybend (I'll just assume your source actually says that). So maybe the Equalists will get what they want in the end. Maybe they'll get equality. Just, the other way around. People will remember how to energybend. Everyone will be a bender. :OOOOOO
So for this episode, I thought it was pretty neat. It wasn't as exciting as the last one but it was fun, and Bolin is hilarious.
Cabbage Corp. YES! The entire time they were doing the buildup I was like "no fucking way. They're not. They're actually ... the theories were correct? The jokse were true?" Was awesome and I coudln't stop smiling.
When they walked into his workshop that was empty, I started saying outloud "wait, what the fuck? The metalbenders are wearing shoes. Why are they wearing sho--" and then Lin took the soles off her shoes. Still, why were they on in the first place? After being taught by Toph you'd think they'd use their seisemic sense more often (all the fucking time?). That is an INCREDIBLY valuable tool and just becasue you have real vision is no excuse to not use that one. Stupid!
The rest of the episode was okay. I thought some things were pretty stupid though. They had suspicions that there was the factory below... so why take an entire blimp and a bunch of police force dudes check it out? They admit that it was risky. That info coud have been complete BS. So... you take Lin and just fucking earthbend tunnel and search for the factory that way. If it doesnt exist, fine. Cool. No loss. If it does, you come back with backup. And don't tell me it's impossible... Bolin did it like 6 minutes later.
The fight with the mechs... The mechs won because they had to. They were just introduced. Just like the Chi Blockers raped shit, but later (ep 6) they were fought off. The entire time I was thinking just how easy they were to fight. 1) The metalbenders have cables. Remember the battle of Hoth? USE YOUR TOW CABLE! 2) The metalbenders are EARTH BENDERS TOO. THROW BOULDERS AT THEM. 3) Actually, on that note... an earthbender just has to be creative. Lift a pillar under it's left foot... it tips over. Do the opposite: drop two 'pillars' downards and have it get stranded in earth. Throw a giant wall of rock at him. The possibilities are nearly endless... 4) A master airbender can do some crazy shit. Tenzin could have easily made a wind blade to slice that shit in half (some wind blades in TLA fuck shit up). 5) Lightning. Apparently lightning is no big deal anymore, as far as creating it. Lightning is also 100% fatal (when shot from a bender -- magic spiritwater and a fantastic healer notwithstanding). Shoot that at a giant mechanized robot and the guy inside gets cooked alive or something. ** A little tangent here... ilghtning redirection was possible. Can the 'tazer' effects being used by the equalists be blocked by firebenders in a similar fashion? 6) Cook them alive or something. Yay firebending!
and I could probably go on but this post is way too long and a lot of the shit I'm saying isn't important.
I mean there's no future in theorycrafting what you could do with bending. Why doesn't Tenzin just airbend the air out of people's lungs? Or waterbenders pull the water out of people leaving behind dry husks? Or freeze the water in the blood making people explode? Why would metal benders use cables when they could just shoot bullets out of their hands?
Everytime Tenzin almost has a badass moment and I'm like "wow Tenzin, what a badass, you truly are Aang's son!" he gets his ass handed to him in the next ten seconds. He looks a bit silly when he airbends too because he's so lanky.
Well, that was a good episode. It did seem really short though.
I do agree with some of the complaints about lack of awesome bending and some really unoriginal stuff (the way too strong ties to 30's america and recently the mechs...) But while its not my favorite thing, its also not that important to me. Theres always a question of "why didnt they do this" when it comes to special powers. I do wish Korra did a better job of hiding the question, but I dont mind at all.
Sides are forming, questions still remain, 4 episodes until the finale of season 1. Then a whole season two. I feel it will be better upon rewatching marathon.
EPT
