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On May 13 2012 12:02 Crazyeyes wrote:
Toph was more awesome. More badass. And that 6 finger thing is horrible T_T
Those screenshots are awesome, thanks. :D
That other guy looks a lot like Lightning Bolt Zolt.
And if Katara's mother wasn't a water bender, and we know her father wasn't, then thats a big point in the earlier discussion. She's a bender from nonbending parents.
Two recessive genes, whats wrong with that.
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Korra has like the exact same personality. Super headstrong, straight to a fight at any and all times. It's Toph without the blind and bare feet jokes. Rewatch the baby Korra scene and tell me that isn't classic Toph.She had a belching contest with Bolin. Korra's a more mature (because she's five years older, relatively speaking to the series) Toph.
edit: Also lol at it being an insult to Toph. WTF? Korra is fucking awesome and it's more a compliment to her.
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On May 13 2012 11:45 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2012 11:38 Gahlo wrote:On May 13 2012 11:31 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
Oh, so I guess it's not Bumi. I was thinking, why would they design 2 characters for nothing? Though, they might show up later (Kya and Bumi).
Seems like Amon probably isn't that old though (if he was the guy shown in the flashbacks, he would be like 70-90). Perhaps his son? Or maybe that is the guy who led to (or is the murderer) the firebenders killing Mako/BoLin's parents and scarring Amon's face. Maybe there was an agni kai for something? Wasn't there a whole thing where Aang whopped up on some firebender that was causing trouble in republic city? Named Haakon or something? They said it was a firebender? Hm that's interesting then. Since we saw the full character (in the flashback i mean, who is probably that firebender...), perhaps we'll learn a lot more background story later. Or perhaps, instead of focusing on the kinds of spiritual connections aang had (with roku), korra will get flashbacks? I wonder why though, she is getting these flashbacks. I can't figure out a reason why she did but we didn't see Aang get any. Also, the benders in the intro to the show are all Avatars, unlike in TLA where they were just really good benders. Perhaps there will be a greater focus on the flashbacks/previous avatars more later on?
I don't know if the person mentioned (Yakone) is a fire bender. It doesn't seem to have any information about it. But it does seem that the person in the flashback might be him.
http://avatar.wikia.com/wiki/Yakone
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Did anyone else catch that radio add regarding "Cabbage Corp" at the start of episode 6? Fanservice ftw.
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On May 13 2012 12:13 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Korra has like the exact same personality. Super headstrong, straight to a fight at any and all times. It's Toph without the blind and bare feet jokes. Rewatch the baby Korra scene and tell me that isn't classic Toph.She had a belching contest with Bolin. Korra's a more mature (because she's five years older, relatively speaking to the series) Toph.
edit: Also lol at it being an insult to Toph. WTF? Korra is fucking awesome and it's more a compliment to her.
Korra is in no way more mature than Toph even though she's older. Sure she's a "strong female lead character" and all that like they wanted to make, but she comes off as a spoiled brat. Tenzin tries to teach her airbending, she breaks his stuff and disobeys him to go have fun. In episode 5 she led Bolin on just to try to get to Mako (who she knew was in a relationship).
She has a lack of discipline which is [i]why[/] she goes "straight to a fight at any and all times" without thinking and even when it's not the right decision.
Korra has natural abilities as the Avatar and was taught all growing up how to bend. Toph was born blind and was forbid from bending, be she still managed to learn on her own, even managing to create a whole new form of bending (metal).
I'm not saying I hate Korra, but she's immature, spoiled, and lacks discipline. Toph was more mature than almost anyone despite her much younger age, and was focused enough to become great despite her disability.
So yes, comparing the two seemed like an insult to Toph.
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Maybe I'm just impatient but the show feels like swamp thing all over again >_>. This episode seemed like a perfect opportunity to bust out the avatar state but I guess it's being saved for something truly special ala siege of the north part 2.
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^same gum. i totally expected them to use a taser shot as a means of getting her into it
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On May 13 2012 12:46 gumshoe wrote:
Maybe I'm just impatient but the show feels like swamp thing all over again >_>. This episode seemed like a perfect opportunity to bust out the avatar state but I guess it's being saved for something truly special ala siege of the north part 2.
She prolly can't go in the avatar state because she has no spiritual connection.
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The Avatar State is a defense machanism. It only triggers when it really needs to. Like when your'e about to die. It also triggered for Aang when he got really angry.
Later on Aang learned to control it, but that wasn't until later. In the episode where the earth dude guy tried to force Aang into the avatar state, he could only do so when Katara was completely buried under the ground (and therefore very near death). And at that point, he could'nt control it and Aang fucked some shit up.
So far, these things haven't happened yet to Korra.
Except for maybe when she was about to lose her bending...
On May 13 2012 12:36 Chronos. wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2012 12:13 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Korra has like the exact same personality. Super headstrong, straight to a fight at any and all times. It's Toph without the blind and bare feet jokes. Rewatch the baby Korra scene and tell me that isn't classic Toph.She had a belching contest with Bolin. Korra's a more mature (because she's five years older, relatively speaking to the series) Toph.
edit: Also lol at it being an insult to Toph. WTF? Korra is fucking awesome and it's more a compliment to her. Korra is in no way more mature than Toph even though she's older. Sure she's a "strong female lead character" and all that like they wanted to make, but she comes off as a spoiled brat. Tenzin tries to teach her airbending, she breaks his stuff and disobeys him to go have fun. In episode 5 she led Bolin on just to try to get to Mako (who she knew was in a relationship). She has a lack of discipline which is [i]why[/] she goes "straight to a fight at any and all times" without thinking and even when it's not the right decision. Korra has natural abilities as the Avatar and was taught all growing up how to bend. Toph was born blind and was forbid from bending, be she still managed to learn on her own, even managing to create a whole new form of bending (metal). I'm not saying I hate Korra, but she's immature, spoiled, and lacks discipline. Toph was more mature than almost anyone despite her much younger age, and was focused enough to become great despite her disability. So yes, comparing the two seemed like an insult to Toph.
I woudlnt equate being impatient to being spoiled.
And I don't want to argue romance things cause I mostly don't care... but I wouldn't say it happened that way.
But yeah, alhough similar I wouldnt say they're 'the same' like that other dude said.
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Korra is more Suki with a Katara paintjob with a smattering of Toph attitude.
Both Korra's parents are waterbenders.
Ah, Yakone, that's it. Thought they mentioned firebending somewhere, or maybe I had just assumed it to be the case. I dunno. =\
To be fair though, Toph wasn't much different. She had a pampered home life and ran off all the time to the earthbending ring. She was taught by the badger moles, not self taught. She spent an entire episode scaming people in the fire nation. If it weren't for Katara sweating their way out of the cell they would have been used in a trap for Sparky Sparky Boom Man(I refuse to say his silly "official" name.) Was Toph cool? Yes, but don't give her the bacon/Chuck Norris treatment.
Korra gets frustrated easily with airbending because she is the avatar, she knows she has to learn it. Fire, earth, and water came to her easily. For her to have trouble bending, as the avatar, is a real blow to her confidence. You see it in real life too. Some athletes completely dominate at all levels all their lives until they hit the pros. Then some of them struggle to excel or even keep up and get frustrated and do stupid shit. As for using Bolin to get back at Mako, that's just a thing girls do. I'm not condoning it or saying all girls do it, but it's not unheard of.
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On May 13 2012 12:56 Gahlo wrote:
Korra is more Suki with a Katara paintjob with a smattering of Toph attitude.
Both Korra's parents are waterbenders.
Ah, Yakone, that's it. Thought they mentioned firebending somewhere, or maybe I had just assumed it to be the case. I dunno. =\
To be fair though, Toph wasn't much different. She had a pampered home life and ran off all the time to the earthbending ring. She was taught by the badger moles, not self taught. She spent an entire episode scaming people in the fire nation. If it weren't for Katara sweating their way out of the cell they would have been used in a trap for Sparky Sparky Boom Man(I refuse to say his silly "official" name.) Was Toph cool? Yes, but don't give her the bacon/Chuck Norris treatment.
Korra gets frustrated easily with airbending because she is the avatar, she knows she has to learn it. Fire, earth, and water came to her easily. For her to have trouble bending, as the avatar, is a real blow to her confidence. You see it in real life too. Some athletes completely dominate at all levels all their lives until they hit the pros. Then some of them struggle to excel or even keep up and get frustrated and do stupid shit. As for using Bolin to get back at Mako, that's just a thing girls do. I'm not condoning it or saying all girls do it, but it's not unheard of.
I really don't think that Korra was using Bolin. She had just got shot down by Makko, and Bolin pumped her up, with all kinds of nice things. It wasn't any kind of plot. Korra doesn't think very far ahead about anything.
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Just to clarify, I'm not saying that there was a specific reason for Korra to turn to the avatar state, it's just with the show going on short hiatus and amon making his case for how awesome non benders are, the timing just seemed right for korra to make the ultimate bending argument. No there wasn't a specific reason for her to become the avatar, but neither was there one against her transforming (the spirit stuff hasn't been addressed in the show yet and Ang went loco long before he visited the spirit realm) Seeing as the avatar state hadn't even been mentioned yet it would have been cool to see it come out of left field. Yet it didn't happen which leaves me wondering, if this wasn't a big enough moment for korra to hulk out, what will be?
Few random asides: Wouldn't it be cool if ang's chi block that was supposedly fixed at the end of book fire is now affecting korra's ability as an avatar? 2: Is Amon afraid of the avatar state? Is he not removing Korra's bending out of fear of triggering it? 3: Am I the only one who hates villains that are never fazed by anything ever? 4: Maybe it was Amon who payed off the reffs to make a point about how benders are bullies?(seemed awful convenient at the time) 5: Does anyone else read swamp thing?
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On May 13 2012 13:07 Cyanocyst wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2012 12:56 Gahlo wrote:
Korra is more Suki with a Katara paintjob with a smattering of Toph attitude.
Both Korra's parents are waterbenders.
Ah, Yakone, that's it. Thought they mentioned firebending somewhere, or maybe I had just assumed it to be the case. I dunno. =\
To be fair though, Toph wasn't much different. She had a pampered home life and ran off all the time to the earthbending ring. She was taught by the badger moles, not self taught. She spent an entire episode scamming people in the fire nation. If it weren't for Katara sweating their way out of the cell they would have been used in a trap for Sparky Sparky Boom Man(I refuse to say his silly "official" name.) Was Toph cool? Yes, but don't give her the bacon/Chuck Norris treatment.
Korra gets frustrated easily with airbending because she is the avatar, she knows she has to learn it. Fire, earth, and water came to her easily. For her to have trouble bending, as the avatar, is a real blow to her confidence. You see it in real life too. Some athletes completely dominate at all levels all their lives until they hit the pros. Then some of them struggle to excel or even keep up and get frustrated and do stupid shit. As for using Bolin to get back at Mako, that's just a thing girls do. I'm not condoning it or saying all girls do it, but it's not unheard of. I really don't think that Korra was using Bolin. She had just got shot down by Makko, and Bolin pumped her up, with all kinds of nice things. It wasn't any kind of plot. Korra doesn't think very far ahead about anything.
Well it did kind of happen right then and there, not much time to plot really. I suppose you're right though, I'm conflicted on what I think actually happened there.
On May 13 2012 13:10 gumshoe wrote:Few random asides: Wouldn't it be cool if ang's chi block that was supposedly fixed at the end of book fire is now affecting korra's ability as an avatar? 2: Is Amon afraid of the avatar state? Is he not removing Korra's bending out of fear of triggering it? 3: Am I the only one who hates villains that are never fazed by anything ever? 4: Maybe it was Amon who payed off the reffs to make a point about how benders are bullies?(seemed awful convenient at the time) 5: Does anyone else read swamp thing?
1. I dunno, I kinda figured that got "fixed" when Aang was fighting Ozai and got slammed into that stone pillar witht he jagged bit hitting him right in his scar, which instantly made him go into the avatar state. 2. It could be he's afraid of it, but as he said he doesn't want to make her a martyr for the worlds benders to get super uppity about. 3. Not gonna try to play devil's advocate here, it's stupid, I agree. 4. Don't think so. Otherwise I don't think the Wolfbats would have blantantly cheated so hard, it probably isn't the first time they payed off refs. Amon has been in the city for a while and probably knew the score. 5. Nope.
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On May 13 2012 13:11 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2012 13:07 Cyanocyst wrote:On May 13 2012 12:56 Gahlo wrote:
Korra is more Suki with a Katara paintjob with a smattering of Toph attitude.
Both Korra's parents are waterbenders.
Ah, Yakone, that's it. Thought they mentioned firebending somewhere, or maybe I had just assumed it to be the case. I dunno. =\
To be fair though, Toph wasn't much different. She had a pampered home life and ran off all the time to the earthbending ring. She was taught by the badger moles, not self taught. She spent an entire episode scamming people in the fire nation. If it weren't for Katara sweating their way out of the cell they would have been used in a trap for Sparky Sparky Boom Man(I refuse to say his silly "official" name.) Was Toph cool? Yes, but don't give her the bacon/Chuck Norris treatment.
Korra gets frustrated easily with airbending because she is the avatar, she knows she has to learn it. Fire, earth, and water came to her easily. For her to have trouble bending, as the avatar, is a real blow to her confidence. You see it in real life too. Some athletes completely dominate at all levels all their lives until they hit the pros. Then some of them struggle to excel or even keep up and get frustrated and do stupid shit. As for using Bolin to get back at Mako, that's just a thing girls do. I'm not condoning it or saying all girls do it, but it's not unheard of. I really don't think that Korra was using Bolin. She had just got shot down by Makko, and Bolin pumped her up, with all kinds of nice things. It wasn't any kind of plot. Korra doesn't think very far ahead about anything. Well it did kind of happen right then and there, not much time to plot really. I suppose you're right though, I'm conflicted on what I think actually happened there. Show nested quote +On May 13 2012 13:10 gumshoe wrote:Few random asides: Wouldn't it be cool if ang's chi block that was supposedly fixed at the end of book fire is now affecting korra's ability as an avatar? 2: Is Amon afraid of the avatar state? Is he not removing Korra's bending out of fear of triggering it? 3: Am I the only one who hates villains that are never fazed by anything ever? 4: Maybe it was Amon who payed off the reffs to make a point about how benders are bullies?(seemed awful convenient at the time) 5: Does anyone else read swamp thing? 1. I dunno, I kinda figured that got "fixed" when Aang was fighting Ozai and got slammed into that stone pillar witht he jagged bit hitting him right in his scar, which instantly made him go into the avatar state. 2. It could be he's afraid of it, but as he said he doesn't want to make her a martyr for the worlds benders to get super uppity about. 3. Not gonna try to play devil's advocate here, it's stupid, I agree. 4. Don't think so. Otherwise I don't think the Wolfbats would have blantantly cheated so hard, it probably isn't the first time they payed off refs. Amon has been in the city for a while and probably knew the score. 5. Nope.
3. I kinda like that he appears so calm and collected most of the time, makes Amon look like a BA. Plus, how do you even know if he's completely calm for sure considering we never see his facial expressions? Also, I think that its more that Amon is a cold and calculating person. Since everything has gone according to plan for him its not really any suprise that he shows no fear, I mean even Ozai didn't show fear until his plans started going downhill. Ozai and Azula showed fear quite a few times in the previous series. However, that fear was covered up a lot by their over confidence in their abilities. I swear Ozai was definetly peeing his pants when Aang went into the avatar state in the season finale just look at his facial expressions lol
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On May 13 2012 13:45 XXhkXX wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2012 13:11 Gahlo wrote:On May 13 2012 13:07 Cyanocyst wrote:On May 13 2012 12:56 Gahlo wrote:
Korra is more Suki with a Katara paintjob with a smattering of Toph attitude.
Both Korra's parents are waterbenders.
Ah, Yakone, that's it. Thought they mentioned firebending somewhere, or maybe I had just assumed it to be the case. I dunno. =\
To be fair though, Toph wasn't much different. She had a pampered home life and ran off all the time to the earthbending ring. She was taught by the badger moles, not self taught. She spent an entire episode scamming people in the fire nation. If it weren't for Katara sweating their way out of the cell they would have been used in a trap for Sparky Sparky Boom Man(I refuse to say his silly "official" name.) Was Toph cool? Yes, but don't give her the bacon/Chuck Norris treatment.
Korra gets frustrated easily with airbending because she is the avatar, she knows she has to learn it. Fire, earth, and water came to her easily. For her to have trouble bending, as the avatar, is a real blow to her confidence. You see it in real life too. Some athletes completely dominate at all levels all their lives until they hit the pros. Then some of them struggle to excel or even keep up and get frustrated and do stupid shit. As for using Bolin to get back at Mako, that's just a thing girls do. I'm not condoning it or saying all girls do it, but it's not unheard of. I really don't think that Korra was using Bolin. She had just got shot down by Makko, and Bolin pumped her up, with all kinds of nice things. It wasn't any kind of plot. Korra doesn't think very far ahead about anything. Well it did kind of happen right then and there, not much time to plot really. I suppose you're right though, I'm conflicted on what I think actually happened there. On May 13 2012 13:10 gumshoe wrote:Few random asides: Wouldn't it be cool if ang's chi block that was supposedly fixed at the end of book fire is now affecting korra's ability as an avatar? 2: Is Amon afraid of the avatar state? Is he not removing Korra's bending out of fear of triggering it? 3: Am I the only one who hates villains that are never fazed by anything ever? 4: Maybe it was Amon who payed off the reffs to make a point about how benders are bullies?(seemed awful convenient at the time) 5: Does anyone else read swamp thing? 1. I dunno, I kinda figured that got "fixed" when Aang was fighting Ozai and got slammed into that stone pillar witht he jagged bit hitting him right in his scar, which instantly made him go into the avatar state. 2. It could be he's afraid of it, but as he said he doesn't want to make her a martyr for the worlds benders to get super uppity about. 3. Not gonna try to play devil's advocate here, it's stupid, I agree. 4. Don't think so. Otherwise I don't think the Wolfbats would have blantantly cheated so hard, it probably isn't the first time they payed off refs. Amon has been in the city for a while and probably knew the score. 5. Nope. 3. I kinda like that he appears so calm and collected most of the time, makes Amon look like a BA. Plus, how do you even know if he's completely calm for sure considering we never see his facial expressions? Also, I think that its more that Amon is a cold and calculating person. Since everything has gone according to plan for him its not really any suprise that he shows no fear, I mean even Ozai didn't show fear until his plans started going downhill. Ozai and Azula showed fear quite a few times in the previous series. However, that fear was covered up a lot by their over confidence in their abilities. I swear Ozai was definetly peeing his pants when Aang went into the avatar state in the season finale just look at his facial expressions lol
Even before that Ozai's facial expression when Aang was redirecting the lightning indicated some degree of fear.
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Is that Steve Blum doing Amon's voice? Reminds me a lot of Shishio from Kenshin, who is also voiced by Blum.
Also, they're doing a hell of a job demonstrating why Amon and the equalists are credible threats without making him feel too overpowered to the point where Korra would need some kind of magical power-up to rival him. When they first showed his clip at the end of episode 1 (or was it 2) I was a little bit skeptical about how I would like him, but he and his followers are turning out to be pretty great.
The show has been somewhere between alright and enjoyable up until this episode, but now it finally feels like it's hitting its stride.
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On May 13 2012 14:07 Scribble wrote:
Is that Steve Blum doing Amon's voice? Reminds me a lot of Shishio from Kenshin, who is also voiced by Blum.
Also, they're doing a hell of a job demonstrating why Amon and the equalists are credible threats without making him feel too overpowered to the point where Korra would need some kind of magical power-up to rival him. When they first showed his clip at the end of episode 1 (or was it 2) I was a little bit skeptical about how I would like him, but he and his followers are turning out to be pretty great.
The show has been somewhere between alright and enjoyable up until this episode, but now it finally feels like it's hitting its stride.
Yes, Steve Blum voices Amon.
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On May 13 2012 14:07 Scribble wrote:
Is that Steve Blum doing Amon's voice? Reminds me a lot of Shishio from Kenshin, who is also voiced by Blum.
Also, they're doing a hell of a job demonstrating why Amon and the equalists are credible threats without making him feel too overpowered to the point where Korra would need some kind of magical power-up to rival him. When they first showed his clip at the end of episode 1 (or was it 2) I was a little bit skeptical about how I would like him, but he and his followers are turning out to be pretty great.
The show has been somewhere between alright and enjoyable up until this episode, but now it finally feels like it's hitting its stride.
Steve Blum is in fact Amon.
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On May 13 2012 13:45 XXhkXX wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2012 13:11 Gahlo wrote:On May 13 2012 13:07 Cyanocyst wrote:On May 13 2012 12:56 Gahlo wrote:
Korra is more Suki with a Katara paintjob with a smattering of Toph attitude.
Both Korra's parents are waterbenders.
Ah, Yakone, that's it. Thought they mentioned firebending somewhere, or maybe I had just assumed it to be the case. I dunno. =\
To be fair though, Toph wasn't much different. She had a pampered home life and ran off all the time to the earthbending ring. She was taught by the badger moles, not self taught. She spent an entire episode scamming people in the fire nation. If it weren't for Katara sweating their way out of the cell they would have been used in a trap for Sparky Sparky Boom Man(I refuse to say his silly "official" name.) Was Toph cool? Yes, but don't give her the bacon/Chuck Norris treatment.
Korra gets frustrated easily with airbending because she is the avatar, she knows she has to learn it. Fire, earth, and water came to her easily. For her to have trouble bending, as the avatar, is a real blow to her confidence. You see it in real life too. Some athletes completely dominate at all levels all their lives until they hit the pros. Then some of them struggle to excel or even keep up and get frustrated and do stupid shit. As for using Bolin to get back at Mako, that's just a thing girls do. I'm not condoning it or saying all girls do it, but it's not unheard of. I really don't think that Korra was using Bolin. She had just got shot down by Makko, and Bolin pumped her up, with all kinds of nice things. It wasn't any kind of plot. Korra doesn't think very far ahead about anything. Well it did kind of happen right then and there, not much time to plot really. I suppose you're right though, I'm conflicted on what I think actually happened there. On May 13 2012 13:10 gumshoe wrote:Few random asides: Wouldn't it be cool if ang's chi block that was supposedly fixed at the end of book fire is now affecting korra's ability as an avatar? 2: Is Amon afraid of the avatar state? Is he not removing Korra's bending out of fear of triggering it? 3: Am I the only one who hates villains that are never fazed by anything ever? 4: Maybe it was Amon who payed off the reffs to make a point about how benders are bullies?(seemed awful convenient at the time) 5: Does anyone else read swamp thing? 1. I dunno, I kinda figured that got "fixed" when Aang was fighting Ozai and got slammed into that stone pillar witht he jagged bit hitting him right in his scar, which instantly made him go into the avatar state. 2. It could be he's afraid of it, but as he said he doesn't want to make her a martyr for the worlds benders to get super uppity about. 3. Not gonna try to play devil's advocate here, it's stupid, I agree. 4. Don't think so. Otherwise I don't think the Wolfbats would have blantantly cheated so hard, it probably isn't the first time they payed off refs. Amon has been in the city for a while and probably knew the score. 5. Nope. 3. I kinda like that he appears so calm and collected most of the time, makes Amon look like a BA. Plus, how do you even know if he's completely calm for sure considering we never see his facial expressions? Also, I think that its more that Amon is a cold and calculating person. Since everything has gone according to plan for him its not really any suprise that he shows no fear, I mean even Ozai didn't show fear until his plans started going downhill. Ozai and Azula showed fear quite a few times in the previous series. However, that fear was covered up a lot by their over confidence in their abilities. I swear Ozai was definetly peeing his pants when Aang went into the avatar state in the season finale just look at his facial expressions lol
I just don't appreciate how closed off and basic his character feels, azula was incredibly entertaining, she was certainly cold but active, fierce and relentless. Amon just feels like his trying to be the embodiment of bland justice to get the non benders on his side, which works as a story tool but doesn't make him a very engaging or entertaining villain. The best thing you can do with him is make him terrifying, but unfortunately his powers are very subtle and unpronounced.(removing bending is a powerful tool but it's not terrifying for anyone who isn't a bender, which is what makes it such a useful ability for uniting non benders)
All in all he's not as entertaining as zugo(well...i'm being generous but he definitely had a few good moments, like "I RISE WITH THE SUN MUTHA@UCKA), iyro or azula, and he's not as terrifying as say general grievous in the original clone wars cartoon or pre retcon itachi(back when he could put you through an eternity of unavoideble hell with a glance) or even fellow face obscured terror darth vader. I just don't feel scared enough when he shows up and he's not entertaining because he's really fake for the sake of his revolution. This doesn't meen he's a bad character, it just means he's not quite there yet in terms of development.(a lot of the time building a good villain is harder than a good protagonist)
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Zuko** Iroh**
You have to realize that those characters all had a 'PoV,' whereas we only see this guy when he's making public appearances... which are all heavily planned.
Whats this 'swamp thing' ?
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