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On May 13 2012 21:42 SeaSwift wrote:
I never really expected Korra to stand up to the original series. I'm happy enough with the direction they have taken it - they moved on the world, came up with some original ideas and progressed some old ones. It has its flaws (metalbending being open to everyone, having "pro-bending" as some forced way to get action and some character development, the general lack of direct plot and the fact that they are trying to rush the series while still putting in filler episodes) but overall I'm content.
there is nothing special about metalbending. The insight that metal is just another form of earth is important and not some metalbender "gene"
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On May 13 2012 21:20 Archers_bane wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 13 2012 14:16 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2012 13:45 XXhkXX wrote:On May 13 2012 13:11 Gahlo wrote:On May 13 2012 13:07 Cyanocyst wrote:On May 13 2012 12:56 Gahlo wrote:
Korra is more Suki with a Katara paintjob with a smattering of Toph attitude.
Both Korra's parents are waterbenders.
Ah, Yakone, that's it. Thought they mentioned firebending somewhere, or maybe I had just assumed it to be the case. I dunno. =\
To be fair though, Toph wasn't much different. She had a pampered home life and ran off all the time to the earthbending ring. She was taught by the badger moles, not self taught. She spent an entire episode scamming people in the fire nation. If it weren't for Katara sweating their way out of the cell they would have been used in a trap for Sparky Sparky Boom Man(I refuse to say his silly "official" name.) Was Toph cool? Yes, but don't give her the bacon/Chuck Norris treatment.
Korra gets frustrated easily with airbending because she is the avatar, she knows she has to learn it. Fire, earth, and water came to her easily. For her to have trouble bending, as the avatar, is a real blow to her confidence. You see it in real life too. Some athletes completely dominate at all levels all their lives until they hit the pros. Then some of them struggle to excel or even keep up and get frustrated and do stupid shit. As for using Bolin to get back at Mako, that's just a thing girls do. I'm not condoning it or saying all girls do it, but it's not unheard of. I really don't think that Korra was using Bolin. She had just got shot down by Makko, and Bolin pumped her up, with all kinds of nice things. It wasn't any kind of plot. Korra doesn't think very far ahead about anything. Well it did kind of happen right then and there, not much time to plot really. I suppose you're right though, I'm conflicted on what I think actually happened there. On May 13 2012 13:10 gumshoe wrote:Few random asides: Wouldn't it be cool if ang's chi block that was supposedly fixed at the end of book fire is now affecting korra's ability as an avatar? 2: Is Amon afraid of the avatar state? Is he not removing Korra's bending out of fear of triggering it? 3: Am I the only one who hates villains that are never fazed by anything ever? 4: Maybe it was Amon who payed off the reffs to make a point about how benders are bullies?(seemed awful convenient at the time) 5: Does anyone else read swamp thing? 1. I dunno, I kinda figured that got "fixed" when Aang was fighting Ozai and got slammed into that stone pillar witht he jagged bit hitting him right in his scar, which instantly made him go into the avatar state. 2. It could be he's afraid of it, but as he said he doesn't want to make her a martyr for the worlds benders to get super uppity about. 3. Not gonna try to play devil's advocate here, it's stupid, I agree. 4. Don't think so. Otherwise I don't think the Wolfbats would have blantantly cheated so hard, it probably isn't the first time they payed off refs. Amon has been in the city for a while and probably knew the score. 5. Nope. 3. I kinda like that he appears so calm and collected most of the time, makes Amon look like a BA. Plus, how do you even know if he's completely calm for sure considering we never see his facial expressions? Also, I think that its more that Amon is a cold and calculating person. Since everything has gone according to plan for him its not really any suprise that he shows no fear, I mean even Ozai didn't show fear until his plans started going downhill. Ozai and Azula showed fear quite a few times in the previous series. However, that fear was covered up a lot by their over confidence in their abilities. I swear Ozai was definetly peeing his pants when Aang went into the avatar state in the season finale just look at his facial expressions lol I just don't appreciate how closed off and basic his character feels, azula was incredibly entertaining, she was certainly cold but active, fierce and relentless. Amon just feels like his trying to be the embodiment of bland justice to get the non benders on his side, which works as a story tool but doesn't make him a very engaging or entertaining villain. The best thing you can do with him is make him terrifying, but unfortunately his powers are very subtle and unpronounced.(removing bending is a powerful tool but it's not terrifying for anyone who isn't a bender, which is what makes it such a useful ability for uniting non benders) All in all he's not as entertaining as zugo(well...i'm being generous but he definitely had a few good moments, like "I RISE WITH THE SUN MUTHA@UCKA), iyro or azula, and he's not as terrifying as say general grievous in the original clone wars cartoon or pre retcon itachi(back when he could put you through an eternity of unavoideble hell with a glance) or even fellow face obscured terror darth vader. I just don't feel scared enough when he shows up and he's not entertaining because he's really fake for the sake of his revolution. This doesn't meen he's a bad character, it just means he's not quite there yet in terms of development.(a lot of the time building a good villain is harder than a good protagonist) I agree with you, thats why I like TLA better than Korra. Those characters are one of a kind and really difficult to recreate. Their interaction with each other and their personalities were so enjoyable to follow. None of the characters in Korra have that much development and background story, yet....so I'm just waiting for all the pieces to fall into place since I know the writers still haven't busted out their best
Ya, I see what you're getting at. Amon isn't really that well developed. But to be honest hes only been in maybe like 3 or 4 episodes? Additionally, his persona makes him kind of difficult to develop, since he's supposed to be a character full of secrets (thus the mask). The only tidbit we got about his backstory doesn't come from a very reliable source (he could have esaily lied about his past to rally the non benders). Hopefully though more development will come. In TLA the creators spent a lot of time focusing on Zuko as well as Aang, so it isn't really that suprising that we got to see the characters in the two groups develop a lot more than Amon (who if you think about it, out of the 3 or 4 episodes he has been in, has only been on the screen for only a handful of minutes lol).
Yeah, I'll miss the TLA characters but I mean these characters are kinda growing on me lol. But I think the creators are slowly unraveling backstories, such as the part about Tenzin and Lin dating prior to the events of the story. It'll definetly be interesting to see how each of the characters develops.
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6 awesome episodes in and you guys are still dissing this show. After that last episode I can't see how anyone is thinking this doesn't more than live up to TLA. TLA wasn't nearly this engaging 6 episodes in.
Every scene with Korra + Tenzin is gold, Bolin is hilarious. The only downside is that Mako is kind of bland, but so was Katara so whatevs.
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On May 14 2012 04:13 TwoToneTerran wrote:
6 awesome episodes in and you guys are still dissing this show. After that last episode I can't see how anyone is thinking this doesn't more than live up to TLA. TLA wasn't nearly this engaging 6 episodes in.
Every scene with Korra + Tenzin is gold, Bolin is hilarious. The only downside is that Mako is kind of bland, but so was Katara so whatevs.
No ones really dissing it, some liked TLA more but we still love this show and it's early so who knows.
And though it's true that I don't think TLA was this engaging 6 episodes in, you have to realize that Korra is planned to be less than half as long as TLA, so TLA had a lot of time to let the characters develop and have side episodes before getting into the nitty gritty.
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On May 13 2012 23:03 Skilledblob wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2012 21:42 SeaSwift wrote:
I never really expected Korra to stand up to the original series. I'm happy enough with the direction they have taken it - they moved on the world, came up with some original ideas and progressed some old ones. It has its flaws (metalbending being open to everyone, having "pro-bending" as some forced way to get action and some character development, the general lack of direct plot and the fact that they are trying to rush the series while still putting in filler episodes) but overall I'm content. there is nothing special about metalbending. The insight that metal is just another form of earth is important and not some metalbender "gene"
Agreed. Those aren't flaws, it's an advancing world. Communication improves so earthbenders learn about metalbending easier. Pro-bending? How is that forced? It fits perfectly into this new modern world. Do we not see MMA tournaments in our modern world?
It's only 6 episodes in... the plot is moving along fine. It's not rushed, and those aren't filler episodes, unless you consider like 1/2 of TLA to be filler episodes just because they aren't following the direct-direct plot of going to the fire nation to stop Ozai.
And for those who are saying the characters in Korra are bad or not as interesting... we'll have to wait and see. We're only 6 episodes in, how much character development could have happened? Compare these 6 episodes to the first 6 episodes of TLA, before toph came in, before zuko went through his many changes, before we started learning how awesome Iroh was, before we knew about Azula, before we knew about anyone really, aside from the fact that Zuko is a troubled prince on a quest for revenge aided by his loving, kind, wise uncle, Aang is a silly but powerful and determined boy who may or may not like Katara, Sokka is a somewhat mature and tough guy but is smart and funny, and Katara is a loving, kind girl.
Now do you think there really is that big of a difference anymore? That's only like 5 characters... we already have Mako, BoLin, Korra, Lin, Tenzin, and if you count them, Tarrlok and Amon.
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On May 13 2012 11:12 Shock710 wrote:If i was Sokka i would have gone with ty lee,she did have a crush on him,the things she could do 0_0
Ohshit! Amon is ty lee's son! He has to be!
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On May 14 2012 05:16 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2012 23:03 Skilledblob wrote:On May 13 2012 21:42 SeaSwift wrote:
I never really expected Korra to stand up to the original series. I'm happy enough with the direction they have taken it - they moved on the world, came up with some original ideas and progressed some old ones. It has its flaws (metalbending being open to everyone, having "pro-bending" as some forced way to get action and some character development, the general lack of direct plot and the fact that they are trying to rush the series while still putting in filler episodes) but overall I'm content. there is nothing special about metalbending. The insight that metal is just another form of earth is important and not some metalbender "gene" Agreed. Those aren't flaws, it's an advancing world. Communication improves so earthbenders learn about metalbending easier. Pro-bending? How is that forced? It fits perfectly into this new modern world. Do we not see MMA tournaments in our modern world?
Meh. The impression that I got in TLA was that Toph managed to metalbend because she felt the world around her in such a unique way and could sense the little pieces of earth in it. It wasn't that she discovered it, it was that only she could do it.After all, if the only reason she could metalbend and nobody else could was because she waggled her limbs at it as you would with earthbending, it stands to reason that someone before her would have at least tried earthbending metal.
On pro-bending, I don't mind pro-bending at all, I just don't like the way the whole series seems to be focussed on it. It just seems very insignificant compared to the world-shaking events in TLA. In TLA, everything led up to the final episode. Here, it seems like they are spending at least a third of the series fucking about in some tournament. And, like I said, the action all seems to be in the pro-bending, as if the creators wanted to put some action in (with different kinds of bending) and shoehorned the pro-bending in to fit that hole. It's not that I think this is bad as such, but it definitely doesn't quite have the pacing or the flow of TLA - as I said, the fact that there aren't going to be as many episodes certainly has to be taken into consideration.
On May 14 2012 05:16 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
It's only 6 episodes in... the plot is moving along fine. It's not rushed, and those aren't filler episodes, unless you consider like 1/2 of TLA to be filler episodes just because they aren't following the direct-direct plot of going to the fire nation to stop Ozai.
To be honest, I do consider about a half of TLA to be filler. Luckily, it provided some colour to the tapestry of the world, and many of those filler episodes were brilliant stories in their own right. I don't have anything against filler stories, per se, it's just that here, in a series with so few episodes, the story of world-changing events seems to be a sideshow to the subplot - that is, the pro bending.
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I'm not surprised that people are complaining... some people will never be happy. As far as I'm concerned its fucking amazing. Very engaging, the fight scenes are cool, I like most of the characters. Mako's a bit bland like someone said but whatever.
Saying that some characters aren't developed enough is very silly so early into the series. Characters CAN'T be very developed yet... it's just too early.
And Ty Lee was a nice girl. I don't think she'd raise a psycho.
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Metal bending being common is very plausible since the only nation that really used an abundance of metal in TLA was the fire nation and they couldn't bend it anyway. Honestly, I would be sort of angry if lightning/metal bending wasn't common in Korra. How absurd would it be to have 70 years of technology development but the bending stays exactly the same.
On May 14 2012 05:35 Crazyeyes wrote:And Ty Lee was a nice girl. I don't think she'd raise a psycho.
I don't think it's fair to call Amon a psycho. I think he has a very fair point. Think how shitty our current world would be if half the people were allowed free access to weapons and the other half wasn't. Amon also seems to use non-lethal attacks and generally keeps the destruction to a minimum. 0 casualties, civilian or otherwise, for a terrorist is pretty good I'd say.
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On May 14 2012 05:33 SeaSwift wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2012 05:16 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:On May 13 2012 23:03 Skilledblob wrote:On May 13 2012 21:42 SeaSwift wrote:
I never really expected Korra to stand up to the original series. I'm happy enough with the direction they have taken it - they moved on the world, came up with some original ideas and progressed some old ones. It has its flaws (metalbending being open to everyone, having "pro-bending" as some forced way to get action and some character development, the general lack of direct plot and the fact that they are trying to rush the series while still putting in filler episodes) but overall I'm content. there is nothing special about metalbending. The insight that metal is just another form of earth is important and not some metalbender "gene" Agreed. Those aren't flaws, it's an advancing world. Communication improves so earthbenders learn about metalbending easier. Pro-bending? How is that forced? It fits perfectly into this new modern world. Do we not see MMA tournaments in our modern world? Meh. The impression that I got in TLA was that Toph managed to metalbend because she felt the world around her in such a unique way and could sense the little pieces of earth in it. It wasn't that she discovered it, it was that only she could do it.After all, if the only reason she could metalbend and nobody else could was because she waggled her limbs at it as you would with earthbending, it stands to reason that someone before her would have at least tried earthbending metal. On pro-bending, I don't mind pro-bending at all, I just don't like the way the whole series seems to be focussed on it. It just seems very insignificant compared to the world-shaking events in TLA. In TLA, everything led up to the final episode. Here, it seems like they are spending at least a third of the series fucking about in some tournament. And, like I said, the action all seems to be in the pro-bending, as if the creators wanted to put some action in (with different kinds of bending) and shoehorned the pro-bending in to fit that hole. It's not that I think this is bad as such, but it definitely doesn't quite have the pacing or the flow of TLA - as I said, the fact that there aren't going to be as many episodes certainly has to be taken into consideration. Show nested quote +On May 14 2012 05:16 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
It's only 6 episodes in... the plot is moving along fine. It's not rushed, and those aren't filler episodes, unless you consider like 1/2 of TLA to be filler episodes just because they aren't following the direct-direct plot of going to the fire nation to stop Ozai.
To be honest, I do consider about a half of TLA to be filler. Luckily, it provided some colour to the tapestry of the world, and many of those filler episodes were brilliant stories in their own right. I don't have anything against filler stories, per se, it's just that here, in a series with so few episodes, the story of world-changing events seems to be a sideshow to the subplot - that is, the pro bending.
I see. Well, with Toph making the metalbending cops, surely she'd be able and wanting to teach it to them?
Ok, I see what you mean about the pro-bending... it is quite convenient for them to use that to put fighting in like you say.
Hmm, well thankfully it seems it's all over and the real shit is gonna start :D
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I thought episodes 4 and especially 5 with the whole romance subplot felt very forced. Episode 6 was very good though. Can't wait for next week's,
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Amon's character is one I could sympathize with unlike the Fire Lord in TLA. The Fire Lord just wanted to use his power to gain more power while Amon is looking for equality. I can root for Amon and I'm glad they aren't making black and white characters like they did in TLA. Amon is a much better antagonist than the Fire Lord would ever be. Obviously every show has flaws (like Korra not acting any bit like any of the other past avatars and not being spiritual and not talking about the Avatars spiritual responsibilities) but maybe they just didn't get to that part of the series yet.
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On May 14 2012 07:47 zJayy962 wrote:
Obviously every show has flaws (like Korra not acting any bit like any of the other past avatars and not being spiritual and not talking about the Avatars spiritual responsibilities) but maybe they just didn't get to that part of the series yet.
I really hope they keep her as she is - her 'flawed' character makes her so much more appealing in my eyes.
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On May 14 2012 07:47 zJayy962 wrote:
Amon's character is one I could sympathize with unlike the Fire Lord in TLA. The Fire Lord just wanted to use his power to gain more power while Amon is looking for equality. I can root for Amon and I'm glad they aren't making black and white characters like they did in TLA. Amon is a much better antagonist than the Fire Lord would ever be. Obviously every show has flaws (like Korra not acting any bit like any of the other past avatars and not being spiritual and not talking about the Avatars spiritual responsibilities) but maybe they just didn't get to that part of the series yet.
Well Aang also didn't act like any avatar before him, as all the avatars before him were willing to kill if it were necessary.
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On May 14 2012 07:47 zJayy962 wrote:
Amon's character is one I could sympathize with unlike the Fire Lord in TLA. The Fire Lord just wanted to use his power to gain more power while Amon is looking for equality. I can root for Amon and I'm glad they aren't making black and white characters like they did in TLA. Amon is a much better antagonist than the Fire Lord would ever be. Obviously every show has flaws (like Korra not acting any bit like any of the other past avatars and not being spiritual and not talking about the Avatars spiritual responsibilities) but maybe they just didn't get to that part of the series yet.
you should keep in mind that the only Avatars you saw in TLA were allready matured. In the Zosin/Roku episode you get to see that Roku was just as childish as Korra is now. This also puts Aang in the right light. Being an airnomad has a much bigger impact on him than being the avatar has. Ofcourse some parts are avatar training too but it fits nicely into the airnomad philosophy. While on the other hand Korra did not have that. She never got in touch with the airbenders until she came to republic city and it seems like she focused on bending training over the mystical side.
So what you can expect for LoK is that she will have to learn the mystical side to being the avatar unlike Aang who had to focus on learning the elements.
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On May 14 2012 07:47 zJayy962 wrote:
Amon's character is one I could sympathize with unlike the Fire Lord in TLA. The Fire Lord just wanted to use his power to gain more power while Amon is looking for equality. I can root for Amon and I'm glad they aren't making black and white characters like they did in TLA. Amon is a much better antagonist than the Fire Lord would ever be. Obviously every show has flaws (like Korra not acting any bit like any of the other past avatars and not being spiritual and not talking about the Avatars spiritual responsibilities) but maybe they just didn't get to that part of the series yet.
Well, Ozai was really the only true black and white character. Although he was the main bad guy, there were many other "bad guys" that really deepened the story: Zuko, Iroh, Azula, Jet, the Dai Li, etc. etc. Even the guy with the third eye was a mercenary, not purely evil (does it for money than to kill people). All these "villains" made up much more of the story than Ozai, and most of these characters had lots of development and thus, conveyed redeemable features (especially Zuko and Iroh).
Or look at season 1 even. The Zhao dude was greedy and all, but even at the end when Zuko offered his hand to save him, Zhao reclined his hand, realizing how evil he's been (though you may interpret that part as him being too stubborn and not wanting anyone to help him, but he was going to die so that doesn't make too much sense).
Even in the end, Aang didn't want to kill Ozai, subverting the traditional "heroes kill the bad guy cus they have the right to even though we're all human" reasoning.
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On May 14 2012 08:08 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2012 07:47 zJayy962 wrote:
Amon's character is one I could sympathize with unlike the Fire Lord in TLA. The Fire Lord just wanted to use his power to gain more power while Amon is looking for equality. I can root for Amon and I'm glad they aren't making black and white characters like they did in TLA. Amon is a much better antagonist than the Fire Lord would ever be. Obviously every show has flaws (like Korra not acting any bit like any of the other past avatars and not being spiritual and not talking about the Avatars spiritual responsibilities) but maybe they just didn't get to that part of the series yet. Well, Ozai was really the only true black and white character. Although he was the main bad guy, there were many other "bad guys" that really deepened the story: Zuko, Iroh, Azula, Jet, the Dai Li, etc. etc. Even the guy with the third eye was a mercenary, not purely evil (does it for money than to kill people). All these "villains" made up much more of the story than Ozai, and most of these characters had lots of development and thus, conveyed redeemable features (especially Zuko and Iroh). Or look at season 1 even. The Zhao dude was greedy and all, but even at the end when Zuko offered his hand to save him, Zhao reclined his hand, realizing how evil he's been (though you may interpret that part as him being too stubborn and not wanting anyone to help him, but he was going to die so that doesn't make too much sense).Even in the end, Aang didn't want to kill Ozai, subverting the traditional "heroes kill the bad guy cus they have the right to even though we're all human" reasoning.
I thought it was more that he didn't want to be embarrassed by getting saved by Zuko.
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On May 14 2012 08:16 MajuGarzett wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2012 08:08 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:On May 14 2012 07:47 zJayy962 wrote:
Amon's character is one I could sympathize with unlike the Fire Lord in TLA. The Fire Lord just wanted to use his power to gain more power while Amon is looking for equality. I can root for Amon and I'm glad they aren't making black and white characters like they did in TLA. Amon is a much better antagonist than the Fire Lord would ever be. Obviously every show has flaws (like Korra not acting any bit like any of the other past avatars and not being spiritual and not talking about the Avatars spiritual responsibilities) but maybe they just didn't get to that part of the series yet. Well, Ozai was really the only true black and white character. Although he was the main bad guy, there were many other "bad guys" that really deepened the story: Zuko, Iroh, Azula, Jet, the Dai Li, etc. etc. Even the guy with the third eye was a mercenary, not purely evil (does it for money than to kill people). All these "villains" made up much more of the story than Ozai, and most of these characters had lots of development and thus, conveyed redeemable features (especially Zuko and Iroh). Or look at season 1 even. The Zhao dude was greedy and all, but even at the end when Zuko offered his hand to save him, Zhao reclined his hand, realizing how evil he's been (though you may interpret that part as him being too stubborn and not wanting anyone to help him, but he was going to die so that doesn't make too much sense).Even in the end, Aang didn't want to kill Ozai, subverting the traditional "heroes kill the bad guy cus they have the right to even though we're all human" reasoning. I thought it was more that he didn't want to be embarrassed by getting saved by Zuko.
Yea I think it was an honor issue. An honorable man that Zhao
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I hope for a solstice, Korra should enter the spirit world soon, i want to see Aang and some history lessons. Besides, some meditation would be good for her and her airbending i think.
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Does anybody else wonder how the entire metalbending police force lost to a single ship? One that isn't exactly stealthy on top of that.
And why there wouldn't have been guards searching the people coming in.
But oh well, I still loved the episode 
Edit: What was that little flashback that I think I saw with some airbender with a different beard than Tenzin? Was that supposed to be Aang?
Also, I agree with above, I want to see Aang XD.
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