EPTlava is just /liquid/ rock so it simply implies that to be bent, the state of the earth is changed from solid to liquid but it is still earth and can still be bent
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Frolossus
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lava is just /liquid/ rock so it simply implies that to be bent, the state of the earth is changed from solid to liquid but it is still earth and can still be bent | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On August 24 2014 04:34 Warri wrote: Indeed, and the villian was the airbender this time. However, they really butchered firebending in LOK, apart from the lightning. Almost every fight in ATLA with a firebender had some serious repurcussions, if not for the combatants, then at least for the surrounding area. Think about season 1, how Zhao took out his own fleet with firebending, how he killed the moonspirit with it. And in season 2, everywhere Aang went, azula set the whole village on fire and then even burned Iroh. Hell, zuko burned Toph's feet without even trying to. And let's not start with agni-kais and Zuko's scar. Fire was serious and dangerous. In LOK, fire is completely harmless everytime. The first scene from current time we see is a completely friendly fire duel between korra and trainers. I can't think of a single scene in all 3 seasons, excluding the wan episodes, where fire was dangerous. It really is just redcolored airbending :/ There are lots of times in ATLA where fire bending isn't doing damage as well. The agni kai between zuko/chao where they hit each other with fire but no damage done off the top of my head. It's inconsistent in how it does damage (like aang burning katara, but then seeing someone else get hit with a full fire blast and just get pushed back). | ||
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Kupon3ss
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KrazyTrumpet
United States2520 Posts
On August 24 2014 11:45 Kupon3ss wrote: As with all bending, things only deal damage when the plot demands That's one of those times where I just have to suspend my disbelief and remind myself that, at the end of the day, it IS mostly a kids' show. | ||
]343[
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A friend of mine mentioned that Zaheer actually had two things still tethering him to the world before he could float (not as good as an Avatar, who gains PURE COSMIC ENERGY when they let go of everything!)--(1) P'Li, and (2) caring about his own life. Falling off the cliff backward like that was only possible because he didn't care if he failed to gain the ability to float; if that happened, he'd die, and so would Korra, and everything would be hunky-dory. Kuvira getting a name was the weirdest thing. Guess she'll be important... and the way she saved Tonraq was preeeetty ridiculous. Jinora looking just like Aang really blew my mind. In fact, a friend and I had to watch the AtLA finale again today to see our boy Aang  I really hope Ghazan actually survived the cave collapsing  He was a pretty cool dude  (also, when I read this thread, I was sad about all the misspellings of people's names "Bumi," "Jeong Jeong," etc. I guess I just sound like a jerk when I say this, but oh well.) | ||
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Prog455
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On August 23 2014 17:55 Spaylz wrote: It does bug me a little bit, since when you're bending molten earth you're essentially firebending. It makes little sense that a firebender couldn't lavabend once the earth is actually molten. Bending molten earth and fire is by no means the same thing. Lavabending is the art of bending a mineral. Firebending is the art of bending a chemical reaction. None of the utilities that comes from firebending, such as being able to fly or manipuling heat in generel, would be accessible to earthbenders. Lavabending is no closer to firebending than for instance waterbenders turning water into steam. Aside from lightning bending, firebenders should also be able to bend plasma, which is significantly warmer than lava. On August 24 2014 16:01 ]343[ wrote: A friend of mine mentioned that Zaheer actually had two things still tethering him to the world before he could float (not as good as an Avatar, who gains PURE COSMIC ENERGY when they let go of everything!)--(1) P'Li, and (2) caring about his own life. Falling off the cliff backward like that was only possible because he didn't care if he failed to gain the ability to float; if that happened, he'd die, and so would Korra, and everything would be hunky-dory. Caring about ones own life is not something that would still tether you to the earthly world. The mind-body dualism theory in philosophy asserts that your body is only a vessel for your true self - that being your soul. This is a belief that has been held by many different religions, including for instance Christianity. It is also something that is believed in Buddhism, which has provided the main inspiration for the Airbending nation. In regards to benders in LoK being stronger than benders in TLA, i believe this to be a natural thing. Consider how discoveries made by preeminent scientists of the past, is taught at grade school level today. The calculus was invented by Isaac Newton and Gotfried Leibniz, two of the greatest minds in the history of mankind. Today it is taught to everyone. Furthermore there is a thing called the Flynn effect, which is the fact that the average IQ of our population have risen a great deal during the last 100 years. | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On August 24 2014 16:01 ]343[ wrote: Watched the finale last night! Great season. I'm a bit miffed that it wrapped up so neatly with the Red Lotus guys getting totally demolished (Mako's lightning and Bolin's lavabending were nice surprises, even though theoretically we already knew Mako had lightning...), but the action scenes were excellent, the story was pretty compelling, and Korra wasn't annoying!! A friend of mine mentioned that Zaheer actually had two things still tethering him to the world before he could float (not as good as an Avatar, who gains PURE COSMIC ENERGY when they let go of everything!)--(1) P'Li, and (2) caring about his own life. Falling off the cliff backward like that was only possible because he didn't care if he failed to gain the ability to float; if that happened, he'd die, and so would Korra, and everything would be hunky-dory. Kuvira getting a name was the weirdest thing. Guess she'll be important... and the way she saved Tonraq was preeeetty ridiculous. Jinora looking just like Aang really blew my mind. In fact, a friend and I had to watch the AtLA finale again today to see our boy Aang I really hope Ghazan actually survived the cave collapsing He was a pretty cool dude (also, when I read this thread, I was sad about all the misspellings of people's names "Bumi," "Jeong Jeong," etc. I guess I just sound like a jerk when I say this, but oh well.)He still cared about his life/korra after he learned to fly so that doesn't work. | ||
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Vortok
United States830 Posts
Also, a friend of mine mentioned how Bolin's parents were a fire and earth bender, so there's also that fusion in his lineage (and before Aang did this thing, the different nations rarely intermingled, perhaps a reason for combo bending being very rare) - though who knows whether stuff like that is supposed to have an impact upon a person's potential bending abilities or not. I am also wondering how it'll be used by Bolin. As someone mentioned, lava is fairly destructive so it's likely to have less practical uses for someone that isn't a villain character. Should still be a bit more useful than combustion bending though. Might be rather hard to find a lot of peaceful applications to an ability that is essentially just explosions. Also a bit amused at all the hoopla about an airbender flying while fire benders seem to nonchalantly turn themselves into rockets every other fight. Sure it looked more efficient and refined than the fire version, but the end result is fairly similar. | ||
Whitewing
United States7483 Posts
On August 25 2014 11:26 Vortok wrote: Well, to pull a science card, water bending into ice is basically making the water move way slower to the point that it freezes. Lava bending could simply be seen as the reverse of that, since the faster the molecules of a substance move around the hotter it gets (though I rather doubt they bothered too much with a science side when writing bending abilities). Also, fire bending is generally stuff without a significant physical form (fire/lightning) much like air bending. Water and Earth bending have generally been with stuff that can be 'placed' as an actual object even after the bending is done. So lava fits as an earth bending ability a bit better. Also, a friend of mine mentioned how Bolin's parents were a fire and earth bender, so there's also that fusion in his lineage (and before Aang did this thing, the different nations rarely intermingled, perhaps a reason for combo bending being very rare) - though who knows whether stuff like that is supposed to have an impact upon a person's potential bending abilities or not. I am also wondering how it'll be used by Bolin. As someone mentioned, lava is fairly destructive so it's likely to have less practical uses for someone that isn't a villain character. Should still be a bit more useful than combustion bending though. Might be rather hard to find a lot of peaceful applications to an ability that is essentially just explosions. Also a bit amused at all the hoopla about an airbender flying while fire benders seem to nonchalantly turn themselves into rockets every other fight. Sure it looked more efficient and refined than the fire version, but the end result is fairly similar. Remember how Tenzin was whooping the shit out of him just a couple episodes before in an airbending battle? Tenzin didn't start losing until he got ganged up upon 4 to 1. Zaheer isn't a top level airbender, he simply achieved a skill that requires only a particular state of mind. He was granted airbending quite recently. Now, imagine that flying skill as performed by a true master airbender, and you can start to see how absolutely broken it is. Firebenders have their hands tied up with the rockets, and then they free fall and fire off an attack or two, then use the rockets again. It's quite predictable. A true airbending master with that flying skill can fly however they want while doing any airbending technique they feel like in any order or pattern. | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On August 25 2014 19:20 Shock710 wrote: I think someone already mentioned it in this thread, but the firebending flying rocket thing it kinda like a booster jump they cant change direction in midair, they need a point to land and then lauch to a new point. (also didnt aang fly in the battle vs sozin when he had like massive 4 ring elements around him, tho it might be that he put himself into the airball and then lifted that. But i also remember the avatar state being able to float every now and again when they enter it.) That was due to the airbending not like zaheer. Another thing is it still required the avatar state considering we have never seen the avatar do it when not in it. | ||
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Motlu
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Koerage
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Spaylz
Japan1743 Posts
On August 25 2014 20:34 blade55555 wrote: That was due to the airbending not like zaheer. Another thing is it still required the avatar state considering we have never seen the avatar do it when not in it. Zaheer is still using airbending to fly, he's not doing it with his mind. Tenzin especially said he was using ancient airbending techniques. I had forgotten about it, but yes, Aang essentially flew a couple of times too. Toward the beginning when he would enter the Avatar State and create an air sphere around himself, and in the battle vs Ozai, when he clearly flew with that method. It's not quite the same thing, but technically it is flying, as opposed to the propelling method used by firebenders. We might see more of the Fire Nation in Book 4... But I have a feeling it will be much, much more "global". As I said before, I really think they are headed in a direction in which the Avatar is not necessary due to the effort of the nations. To illustrate that, they'd need to cover several parts of the world. It would also make sense, since each book had a clear focus: Republic City, Water Tribes, Earth Kingdom... Last should be Fire Nation, and the world as a whole (if I'm right, which is absolutely not sure). | ||
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Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
I'd always heard good things about this show and I liked The Last Airbender so I decided I'd give it a shot. A week later and I have gone through all three seasons and I thought I would share my opinions! I haven't done a lot of research besides watching the show so I apologize if I misspell something D: (names/places/etc) + Show Spoiler [Season 1] + Season 1 was awesome. Having a whiny rambunctious teenager as a protagonist has been done before and it's not always super enjoyable, but I think the creators of the show did a nice job. I like that they had Katara in the show right away as it gave an immediate link to the first series. Moving the show from being this huge epic where Aang and his bros travelled everywhere and had a new location every episode to having just Republic City as the setting was a big change but I enjoyed it. People throw around the term "steam-punk" to describe Republic City and I think that makes sense. There is a lot more technology in this series, but I think it integrates pretty well. Pro bending was an interesting concept even though it wasn't my favorite part of the season, but when Amon came and broke up the championship game that was pretty insane. The characters were well done and interesting. I've read that some people didn't enjoy Korra in this season but honestly I didn't think it was so bad, partially because I knew this would be her "young/immature" season and would build on it. Mako and Bolin were fun particularly for me because they remind me a bit of me and my brother, and Bolin is the perfect comic relief for the show. Lin and Tenzin are the successors from the previous series as they both are descendants from old characters which is cool to see and Asami, while not my favorite character, was a nice addition because she is one of the only non-benders who gets a spotlight. That VILLAIN though. Amon was the best villain in the series through all three seasons in my opinion. He was legitimately scary, seemed capable of defeating Korra, and was mysterious. His backstory was pretty cool, and I didn't expect that he was related to Tarrlok. All in all it was cool to have the protagonist not fight some gigantic planet crushing force of destruction and instead just fight a human being for once. The ending of season 1 was just ok for me. The part I FUCKING LOVED was when Tarrlok blew up the boat that he and Amon were on. That is some heavy stuff for this show, but it was awesome. The part that was just so/so for me was how the suspense of Korra losing her bending to Amon kind of just disappeared and Aang gave it back right away. I mean I knew she would get her bending back but it still seemed so sudden. Korra and Mako started dating which was cool I guess I liked their relationship, but I wasn't a fan of the weird love-rhombus that was going on all season. Bolin liking Korra/Mako liking Asami, then Korra/Korra liking Mako. I dunno it seemed all a little trivial to me, but I can't really complain. Overall I loved season 1. Great story, great villain, great start. + Show Spoiler [Season 2] + I greatly enjoyed Season 2 as well, although I didn't enjoy it quite as much as the first season. Location shift to the Southern Water tribe was alright, but I was never that into the whole angry spirits need to be cleansed thing as the primary problem. Anyway let's talk about it! I think the season started off slowly but it picked up as it went on. Tons of social commentary in this season. Mako and Korra were pretty much constantly arguing which was kind of meh because their relationship did not last long at all. Villains: Unalaq was quite confusing to me. The shows creators seemed to want to bat the audience around like a ping pong ball on whether or not he was a bad guy for awhile, and then eventually it came out that he was basically the big bad of the season (or so we thought). The guy basically fills every villain stereotype: second in line to the throne removes his own blood from his way, poses as a benevolent friend to the protagonist, bribes, cheats, and steals, and ultimately turns out to just be a pawn to this giant lord of chaos thing with one eye (seriously this seems to always happen). Obviously the big bad was really Vaatu in this season, and he provided the epic all powerful bad guy feel as opposed to the human and seemingly more vulnerable Amon from season 1. As a side note, Desna and Eska were cool additions, especially with Aubrey Plaza voicing Eska (this was hilarious to me). Eska's relationship with Bolin was comic and I enjoyed it. As far as the actual storyline, there were some slow parts. Bolin as an actor was funny for a bit but it seemed to drag. Mako getting bullied by other cops was just a way to add secondary antagonists, and a lot of the season was just people trying to convince the President to fight Unalaq. Korra spends a good portion of the season unconscious, but that is ok because seeing Wan's story/birth of the avatar/epic Raava vs Vaatu fight and its origins was quite cool. The spirit world was kind of where the season lost me. I think there were some silly moments that I didn't quite understand. First off: why the hell did Korra turn into a little girl for about an episode while she was there? I dunno why Iroh was there either, although I of course loved him in ATLA. Jinora having the spiritual abilities was cool for her character but overall no that exciting to me, and Tenzin, Bumi, and Kya having their little arguments and the long search for Ikki was a bit dull for me. Anyway the story really started to pick up towards the end. Unalaq being super evil and all that and lo and behold that whole once every 10,000 years thing has popped up just at the perfect time! The final fight was pretty cool, but I much preferred the human sized avatar vs dark avatar fight to the giant blue lady vs giant black and red satyr fight at the end. Finding Jinora in the fog of lost souls or whatever it was called was nice but man did the three siblings spend a lot of time looking for Tenzin's kids this season. The ending of season 2 was I think better than the end of season 1 from the perspective of the main characters. This time there were some real consequences as Korra lost her connection with the past avatars, unlike the previous season where her consequence was immediately fixed after the final battle. Korra leaving the spirit portals open gave some insight into what would happen in the next season and what some of the conflicts might be. Overall I enjoyed Season 2 quite a bit! Special shoutout has to go to Varrick, who, along with his trusty assistant Zhu Li, was one of the most entertaining characters in the whole show. He briefly turned into a bad guy during the season but you couldn't help but like him anyway. His first scene where he is in jail after getting caught is hilarious! The creators did an awesome job with that character. + Show Spoiler [Season 3] + Season 3 I think was my second favorite season and I liked what they did with the storyline. The season seemed to start off a little slow with Korra trying to help the spirits and people in Republic City coexist, but it got a little strange when they started talking about approval ratings from the citizens. Anyways, the President got all stupid and kicked Korra out of the city, but that was ok because at this point we had the plot line of rebuilding the air nation going which was awesome! Villains: I don't really know what the general opinion is on the villains of this season, but they seemed just ok to me. Zaheer is the main antagonist in this season when he gets air bending and escapes his prison, but that begs the question: how was he so dangerous that he needed to be in that absurdly secure prison before he got air bending? What abilities did he have that made him such a threat before he could even bend? I know he tried to kidnap Korra along with the other three of his group of four Red Lotus members, but he was the feared leader of them and he couldn't even bend? I dunno. Also the whole concept of him trying to find the avatar seemed kind of pointless as at some point he mediated and found out exactly where she was seemingly on a whim. His three henchmen all have their unique twists on bending: Ghazan with the lava bending which makes sense coming from earth benders but imo both Bolin and Mako should be able to lava bend(earth nation father, fire nation mother how perfect is that), Ming-Hua with her lack of arms and stuff, and P'Li with her exploding forehead eye of doom. It's kind of a shame how they all died, as Ghazan seemed like a cool guy and Bolin had that funny moment in the truck with both Ghazan and Ming-Hua. The whole Red Lotus thing is not an uncommon storyline: anarchists overthrowing governments to restore chaos and the natural order of things or w/e. It's also to a degree a sympathetic cause, especially when their first kill was the evil Meh moments: It was cool to have a backstory for Lin and Suyin as well as an appearance from Toph, but honestly I could have done without a sibling squabble for a few episodes in the middle there. The jab at "modern art" was kind of funny but the time with the metal clan was just ok for me. Tenzin's character continues to confuse me as he seems to fluctuate between being a wise air master to being a novice who has no idea how to teach people every other episode. Finally, the Kai/Jinora thing was fine and all but I wasn't particularly enamored with either character. Awesome moments: Ok can we just recognize that motherfucking ZUKO was in this season on a motherfucking DRAGON?! I was pretty hyped to see Zuko as he was the character from ATLA that I was most hoping to see. Although he didn't have a huge part I was still happy he was there. Bolin finding a girl in Opal was cool but man Bolin's love interests just jump around don't they? I don't really mind that though. One of my favorite parts of the season was when the Red Lotus attacked the air temple and Tenzin went into beast mode. I was basically sitting in front of my computer saying, "Yeah Zaheer eat shit this is what a real air master can do". It was cool to see him being a badass and taking on Zaheer, and winning! We all know he would have won the 1v1 if Zaheer hadn't gotten that backup so I was pretty happy to see Tenzin be that awesome. Jinora becoming an air master at the end of the season was very cool. It will be interesting to see how Korra recovers to start season 4 as her being in a wheelchair is a bit problematic! I don't really know what is going to be the conflict next season, but I have enjoyed the show so much thus far that I'm sure they'll come up with something interesting. Anyways this is just a long post rambling about the show and my thoughts on it. Feel free to agree/disagree with me and reply/PM if you want to discuss what I said or just the show in general! This show is awesome :D | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On August 26 2014 04:16 Darkhorse wrote: The final fight seemed sort of anticlimactic as Zaheer just gets trapped in earth and gets gagged by Bolin in a moment of comedy. Long way to fall from being the badass guy who took on the Avatar. They pulled the same thing with Ozai and Sokka actually. I think the parallel was intentional. | ||
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Darkhorse
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On August 26 2014 04:28 obesechicken13 wrote: They pulled the same thing with Ozai and Sokka actually. I think the parallel was intentional. I actually didn't remember that as it has been years since I watched the first series. You're probably right! | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On August 26 2014 04:52 Darkhorse wrote: I actually didn't remember that as it has been years since I watched the first series. You're probably right! Here's a transcript of the episode. Sokka Well, look at you, buster. Now that your firebending's gone I guess we should call you the Loser Lord. Ozai [Weakly.] I am the Phoenix King! [Flops on the ground while semi-conscious and drooling.] Toph [Mockingly.] Oh, sorry. Didn't mean to offend you, Phoenix King of Getting His Butt Whooped. Suki [Patheically.] Yeah! Or how about King of the ... Guys Who ... Don't Win? Toph [Pointing at Suki before pointing to herself; gently.] Leave the nicknames to us, honey. | ||
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