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Millitron
United States2611 Posts
In TLA, we're told that people learned bending by studying animals. The first firebenders learned from dragons for instance, yet in these episodes we see the Lion Turtles just give people bending, and said people immediately know how to use it. What gives? Overall though, I like the design of these spirits way more than the ones in previous episodes, they feel much more like the ones in TLA. The dark spirits in the previous episodes didn't really resemble the spirits in TLA at all. | ||
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Prog455
Denmark970 Posts
On October 22 2013 04:39 Millitron wrote: The last two episodes were great, as everyone has been saying, but I've got some complaints. In TLA, we're told that people learned bending by studying animals. The first firebenders learned from dragons for instance, yet in these episodes we see the Lion Turtles just give people bending, and said people immediately know how to use it. What gives? Overall though, I like the design of these spirits way more than the ones in previous episodes, they feel much more like the ones in TLA. The dark spirits in the previous episodes didn't really resemble the spirits in TLA at all. This buggled me a lot too. The only "bending animal" to appear in these episodes were a dragon. | ||
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ddrddrddrddr
1344 Posts
Besides, these people are given powers and they immediately know how to use it, versus everyone we've seen in the previous avatar series where people do much more learning. They may actually be different powers with similar manifestations. Like telekinesis versus firing the gun. You might move a bullet but the mechanism is dissimilar. | ||
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Foblos
United States426 Posts
On October 22 2013 04:39 Millitron wrote: The last two episodes were great, as everyone has been saying, but I've got some complaints. In TLA, we're told that people learned bending by studying animals. The first firebenders learned from dragons for instance, yet in these episodes we see the Lion Turtles just give people bending, and said people immediately know how to use it. What gives? Overall though, I like the design of these spirits way more than the ones in previous episodes, they feel much more like the ones in TLA. The dark spirits in the previous episodes didn't really resemble the spirits in TLA at all. The way that I understood it was that this was the time before elements were bending and spirits were bent (cf the Lionturtle in TLA). When the people were just bent to have fire (or air, water, earth) they had control of the element, but they clearly weren't benders, as you can see when Wan defends the Oasis from the hunters. They're just tossing stones and he is a martial arts guru, after having trained his fire bending with the dragon. At the end of the show, when the "new age" has come, the Lion turtle promises that they will be receding and not giving people the elements anymore. I think it is after this, but before the next scene where Wan dies that "benders" appeared. They give that historical panorama where Wan is describing what he will be doing with/for Rava to bring peace and it shows the four nations in conflict. So I think shortly after the lionturtles departed people who had once had their spirits bent to allow for the elements and their children were able to bend and learned from the animals (or moon) how to be benders instead of people just tossing an element to and fro. | ||
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
On October 22 2013 04:39 Millitron wrote: The last two episodes were great, as everyone has been saying, but I've got some complaints. In TLA, we're told that people learned bending by studying animals. The first firebenders learned from dragons for instance, yet in these episodes we see the Lion Turtles just give people bending, and said people immediately know how to use it. What gives? Overall though, I like the design of these spirits way more than the ones in previous episodes, they feel much more like the ones in TLA. The dark spirits in the previous episodes didn't really resemble the spirits in TLA at all. They still learn to bend from the animals. The turtles give the ability to bend but don't teach shit about doing it well. You can see how terrible the city firebenders are and how ballin wan is after dragon lessons. It's like, suppose you were born legless but some scientists give you cool cyborg legs. Then you have to work with a physical trainer so you don't suck with them. Did the scientists or the trainer teach you to use them? | ||
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Spaylz
Japan1743 Posts
More seriously, I liked the story, although it did feel rushed. Can't really blame them though, they don't have the luxury of extending too much and they had to get the story through. It seems rather obvious now that Vaatu is about to be involved in the plot. I look forward to that and I'm curious to see how it plays out. I am a bit iffy about the lion turtles... It just seems... easy. Kind of a deus ex machina, much like how energybending was used to solve the "I can't kill anyone" problem that Aang had. I've never been too fond of lion turtles to begin with, and I didn't really like that part of the story. I would have preferred another explanation for men acquiring power over the elements. It just seems like a very easy explanation for me to have those giant mystical beasts bestow power upon humans. We don't know where they came from, we don't know why they have that power, and yet they are the explanation for bending. Nonetheless, I loved the background story about the Avatar. I also love the direction they took, e.g. the Avatar being the embodiment of the Light Spirit itself. And quite frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if the next Avatar series were to depict the life of Wan and bring us back to the very beginning. I know I would personally love it. | ||
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D10
Brazil3409 Posts
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AppleTart
United States1261 Posts
On October 23 2013 09:06 D10 wrote: Female protagonists overall suck, I cant recall one that is outstanding, and Korra certainly isnt it. Given that there were many Miyazaki references in the last two episodes of Korra... you should know that in nearly all of his films the protagonist is female. | ||
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IamaGrapeMan
Canada165 Posts
On October 22 2013 04:39 Millitron wrote: The last two episodes were great, as everyone has been saying, but I've got some complaints. In TLA, we're told that people learned bending by studying animals. The first firebenders learned from dragons for instance, yet in these episodes we see the Lion Turtles just give people bending, and said people immediately know how to use it. What gives? Overall though, I like the design of these spirits way more than the ones in previous episodes, they feel much more like the ones in TLA. The dark spirits in the previous episodes didn't really resemble the spirits in TLA at all. yeah as everyone was saying we can read "learn from animals" to mean gain proficiency at. even in TLA toph mentions she learns how to bend from studying moles - but she already knows how to bend, just as ang already knows how to bend when he studied with the dragons. | ||
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FindMeInKenya
United States797 Posts
On October 23 2013 09:14 AppleTart wrote: Given that there were many Miyazaki references in the last two episodes of Korra... you should know that in nearly all of his films the protagonist is female. but strong film doesn't always translate to strong protagonist as well. In fact, I would argue that most of Miyazaki's film are strong due to the story, themes, art and music and despite of relatively weak female protagonist. IMHO, most of Ghibli animation's female protagonists are overshadowed by the male supporting casts, with the exceptions of Valley in the Wind and Kiki's delivery. Look at Castle in the Sky, Pazu outstaged the female lead, Princess Mononoke, Matsuda arguably outshine Ishida (same with other supporting cast as well). For Totoro and Spirited Away, I would argue both film's creatures outstaged the main lead. Point is, there are very few examples of strong female lead in the industry, and using Miyazaki's films as counter argument is probably not a smart choice. | ||
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Warri
Germany3208 Posts
Pretty good amv imho. Made me realize that theres not enough Lin earthbending shown this season  | ||
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Skilledblob
Germany3392 Posts
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
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gruff
Sweden2276 Posts
On October 23 2013 10:03 FindMeInKenya wrote: but strong film doesn't always translate to strong protagonist as well. In fact, I would argue that most of Miyazaki's film are strong due to the story, themes, art and music and despite of relatively weak female protagonist. IMHO, most of Ghibli animation's female protagonists are overshadowed by the male supporting casts, with the exceptions of Valley in the Wind and Kiki's delivery. Look at Castle in the Sky, Pazu outstaged the female lead, Princess Mononoke, Matsuda arguably outshine Ishida (same with other supporting cast as well). For Totoro and Spirited Away, I would argue both film's creatures outstaged the main lead. Point is, there are very few examples of strong female lead in the industry, and using Miyazaki's films as counter argument is probably not a smart choice. Maybe he doesn't agree with you? You haven't specified a single reason why they are weak or outstaged. Just saying they are is not much of an argument. And also it's doesn't automatically follow that they suck even if you accept that they were "outstaged." Those are two completely different arguments. | ||
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T.O.P
469 Posts
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McRatyn
Poland901 Posts
On October 23 2013 09:43 IamaGrapeMan wrote: yeah as everyone was saying we can read "learn from animals" to mean gain proficiency at. even in TLA toph mentions she learns how to bend from studying moles - but she already knows how to bend, just as ang already knows how to bend when he studied with the dragons. I agree, bending is probably hereditary now, learning it and perfecting is done studying the animals  | ||
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jubil
United States2602 Posts
Don't know why people are complaining so much about the rest of the season, on the whole I think it's quite good. This world-building backstory - good. Unforeseen twist with Varrick - good. (I especially liked the setup, with the explosions from the movie set reflecting in Mako's eyes, and the ominous chair swivel as he bursts into the meeting with Asami) More Bolin, Mako, Asami development - good. Light stuff with Tenzin's family - good. The twins as creepy villains - good. Only thing I'm still not thrilled about was the over-the-top villainy of Unaloq, but I suspect we'll find out more about his motives soon. People bitch about Korra, but seriously, she's the main character. Main character arcs are supposed to have dramatic ups and downs, and especially in teen/kid shows they involve raging emotions and relationship drama, that's just how these things work. The show would be quite boring if she was just placid the entire time. I for one find it quite interesting to have an Avatar who is in so many ways the counterpoint to Aang. | ||
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Staboteur
Canada1873 Posts
On October 24 2013 10:35 jubil wrote: Great episodes, both had a really "legendary" feel to them. Don't know why people are complaining so much about the rest of the season, on the whole I think it's quite good. This world-building backstory - good. Unforeseen twist with Varrick - good. (I especially liked the setup, with the explosions from the movie set reflecting in Mako's eyes, and the ominous chair swivel as he bursts into the meeting with Asami) More Bolin, Mako, Asami development - good. Light stuff with Tenzin's family - good. The twins as creepy villains - good. Only thing I'm still not thrilled about was the over-the-top villainy of Unaloq, but I suspect we'll find out more about his motives soon. People bitch about Korra, but seriously, she's the main character. Main character arcs are supposed to have dramatic ups and downs, and especially in teen/kid shows they involve raging emotions and relationship drama, that's just how these things work. The show would be quite boring if she was just placid the entire time. I for one find it quite interesting to have an Avatar who is in so many ways the counterpoint to Aang. I agree. TLA had a whole lot going for it with the way it introduced / exposed / developed characters (seriously, some of the subtle acting in TLA was fantastic), but Legend of Korra really isn't bad. I'm more excited about the angling back towards Tenzin family stuff, because it looks back towards a character focus. One of the things that's slowing down Legend of Korra, in my opinion, is that the story is bigger than any of the characters are, to the point of overpowering. It's still a group of friends trying to save the world, but TLA felt like it was a group of FRIENDS trying to save the world, whereas Korra comes with a capital WORLD. But yeah. If we get more of the Tenzin and family character development moving forward, I'll be happy. The two episode introduction of the first avatar was cool, but literally none of that storyline caught me up in it. There are a ton of plot holes introduced, and not enough time to put to certain things like + Show Spoiler + Wan's friend dying and the grief that should follow I also like the Bolin actor turn, and the Varrick twist. I wonder if we'll see Bolin hit a traumatic low and have a character turnaround, or if he'll carry on as comic relief for the rest of the season. | ||
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Shock710
Australia6097 Posts
edit: also continuing watching the ep i found the quote from (the one where aang gets accused for killing chin the conquer in his past life (avatar kyoshi) and then it flashs back to her and she splits the damn country in half to create kyoshi island O_O holy crap shes powerful (she probably was in her prime but how come korra's bending seems so weak she kinda just shoots fireballs) what happened to techniques like the water octopus the firewall kicking that zuko did or the zuko fire whips (iroh explaining lighting bending and then lighting redirection omg was so cool ) but yeah i hope to see more like those special bending moves added in, or maybe some special benders like remember the guy who blows up stuff with his mind O_O lol | ||
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erkicman
United States206 Posts
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