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On September 17 2013 23:43 Sbrubbles wrote:
Aside from the fire nation (and even then it was because of firebending), they looked mostly midieval. They skipped from that straight to the 1930s.
Such is the effect of globalization. The Avatar world seems pretty small in comparison to Earth.
There are a couple points I could mention, but I want to avoid argument.
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On September 18 2013 00:01 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2013 23:43 Sbrubbles wrote:
Aside from the fire nation (and even then it was because of firebending), they looked mostly midieval. They skipped from that straight to the 1930s. Such is the effect of globalization. The Avatar world seems pretty small in comparison to Earth. There are a couple points I could mention, but I want to avoid argument.
Could have just argued that how long did it take to go from medieval tech to the 2nd industrial revolution? About 100 years... or time passed in avatar world. Great burst of technology spurring more technology.
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On September 18 2013 01:41 semantics wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2013 00:01 Gahlo wrote:On September 17 2013 23:43 Sbrubbles wrote:
Aside from the fire nation (and even then it was because of firebending), they looked mostly midieval. They skipped from that straight to the 1930s. Such is the effect of globalization. The Avatar world seems pretty small in comparison to Earth. There are a couple points I could mention, but I want to avoid argument. Could have just argued that how long did it take to go from medieval tech to the 2nd industrial revolution? About 100 years... or time passed in avatar world. Great burst of technology spurring more technology.
The Medieval ages are considered to have ended around the 15th century. Second industrial revolution began vaguely around 1860. Nonetheless, it is not that big of a stretch considering the much smaller world of Avatar indeed (although it did take quite a while for Aang, Katara and Sokka to reach the North Pole while flying on Appa).
edit: typos
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On September 18 2013 02:02 Spaylz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2013 01:41 semantics wrote:On September 18 2013 00:01 Gahlo wrote:On September 17 2013 23:43 Sbrubbles wrote:
Aside from the fire nation (and even then it was because of firebending), they looked mostly midieval. They skipped from that straight to the 1930s. Such is the effect of globalization. The Avatar world seems pretty small in comparison to Earth. There are a couple points I could mention, but I want to avoid argument. Could have just argued that how long did it take to go from medieval tech to the 2nd industrial revolution? About 100 years... or time passed in avatar world. Great burst of technology spurring more technology. The Medieval ages are considered to have ended around the 15th century. Second industrial revolution began vaguely around 1860. Nonetheless, it is not that big of a stretch considering the much smaller world of Avatar indeed (although it did take quite a while for Aang, Katara and Sokka to reach the North Pole while flying on Appa). edit: typos
But could you even argue they were in medieval when firenation built that massive steam powered drill and they could expand though the whole world with great steam powered ships? I just went along with that premise they were medieval as it makes for a simpler argument. And I don't have to roughly try to fit european history classified by moods or events preceding/post into the avatar world.
Also did take quite awhile to fly there on appa because Aang just can't help himself and be a tourist everywhere.
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damn im still pretty sad that everyone can use/redirect lightning and metalbending
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On September 18 2013 02:16 semantics wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2013 02:02 Spaylz wrote:On September 18 2013 01:41 semantics wrote:On September 18 2013 00:01 Gahlo wrote:On September 17 2013 23:43 Sbrubbles wrote:
Aside from the fire nation (and even then it was because of firebending), they looked mostly midieval. They skipped from that straight to the 1930s. Such is the effect of globalization. The Avatar world seems pretty small in comparison to Earth. There are a couple points I could mention, but I want to avoid argument. Could have just argued that how long did it take to go from medieval tech to the 2nd industrial revolution? About 100 years... or time passed in avatar world. Great burst of technology spurring more technology. The Medieval ages are considered to have ended around the 15th century. Second industrial revolution began vaguely around 1860. Nonetheless, it is not that big of a stretch considering the much smaller world of Avatar indeed (although it did take quite a while for Aang, Katara and Sokka to reach the North Pole while flying on Appa). edit: typos But could you even argue they were in medieval when firenation built that massive steam powered drill and they could expand though the whole world with great steam powered ships? I just went along with that premise they were medieval as it makes for a simpler argument. And I don't have to roughly try to fit european history classified by moods or events preceding/post into the avatar world. Also did take quite awhile to fly there on appa because Aang just can't help himself and be a tourist everywhere.
Oh wow you're right. I completely, and I mean completely forgot about the giant drill. That does make a very good point. I mostly had the ships and air balloons in mind, but with that on top of it the leap in technology makes a lot more sense.
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On September 18 2013 02:21 Erasme wrote:
damn im still pretty sad that everyone can use/redirect lightning and metalbending
Who taught the peasants to read and write!?
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On September 18 2013 02:21 Erasme wrote:
damn im still pretty sad that everyone can use/redirect lightning and metalbending
Yes and no...
It is good that techniques are not kept hidden and shared amongst everyone. But yeah, definitely makes it appear less formidable.
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On September 18 2013 02:34 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2013 02:21 Erasme wrote:
damn im still pretty sad that everyone can use/redirect lightning and metalbending Who taught the peasants to read and write!?
It was supposed to be fucking difficult! As in, the slightest misstep or emotion and you'd fry yourself. That's why Azula was so formidable, because she was emotionless.
Not equivalent at all, IMO. Who taught the peasants to wing-glide or BASE JUMP?
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The Fire Nation was mostly a peaceful nation, only its army and its leaders wanted to go full conquest. At least, this is shown during Book 3 of TLA. After the end of the war with the fire nation, I'm not surprised they shared all of their technological advance to show they trully wanted to stay at peace.
At least to those earth dudes, air and water tribes seems a lot more isolated.
The earth cities, while not as advanced as the fire ones, were far from being medieval.
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On September 18 2013 02:21 Erasme wrote:
damn im still pretty sad that everyone can use/redirect lightning and metalbending
Well toph taught people metalbending it's covered in the comics it wasn't impossible for people it just required guidance on how to do it, toph due to her seismic sense? could recognize there was a way.
Lightning is suppose to be hard i have no explanation on why that became easier, perhaps techniques and expanding knowledge let more people practice and attempt it then would have otherwise. But then why would the firenation a warring nation at the time not try to tech that to every one of their soldiers. The only possible reason is new ways of teaching or new techniques were found.
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Is the Avatar world really smaller than the real one? I thought it might be like the Elder Scrolls world, where much of it is just uncharted or inaccessible from the region where the stories take place.
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On September 18 2013 02:54 semantics wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2013 02:21 Erasme wrote:
damn im still pretty sad that everyone can use/redirect lightning and metalbending Well toph taught people metalbending it's covered in the comics it wasn't impossible for people it just required guidance on how to do it, toph due to her seismic sense? could recognize there was a way. Lightning is suppose to be hard i have no explanation on why that became easier, perhaps techniques and expanding knowledge let more people practice and attempt it then would have otherwise. But then why would the firenation a warring nation at the time not try to tech that to every one of their soldiers. The only possible reason is new ways of teaching or new techniques were found.
That is how all learning evolves. Training get more efficient and refined over time. There was a point in the history of fencing when people would directly face each other, chest to chest and try to stab the other with a tiny, thin sword. Then one guy learned that if you stood sideways, you presented a small profile. And after a while, everyone was doing it.
Teach evolves like everything else. And not everyone can metal bend. Korra can't(because none of her previous selves know how) and she is a crappy air bender.
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It's different, it doesnt require you to be extraordinary talented to stand sideways
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On September 18 2013 03:57 Millitron wrote:
Is the Avatar world really smaller than the real one? I thought it might be like the Elder Scrolls world, where much of it is just uncharted or inaccessible from the region where the stories take place.
Well, we know where the poles are and I think it's been confirmed that the "other side" of the map is just water. Given how long it takes for people to go pole to pole, I don't see it being all that big.
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On September 18 2013 06:43 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2013 03:57 Millitron wrote:
Is the Avatar world really smaller than the real one? I thought it might be like the Elder Scrolls world, where much of it is just uncharted or inaccessible from the region where the stories take place. Well, we know where the poles are and I think it's been confirmed that the "other side" of the map is just water. Given how long it takes for people to go pole to pole, I don't see it being all that big.
Well, it took ~4 months by air, with some dicking around in-between. We see fire-nation ships sort-of keep up with Appa, as well as that train/tank thing in Book 2, so he can't be that fast. Anybody know how fast a steamship is? We could get a rough estimate of Appa's speed by how fast he is compared to Fire Nation warships, and with a little math we'd have an even rougher estimate of the distance between the poles.
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On September 18 2013 12:41 Millitron wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2013 06:43 Gahlo wrote:On September 18 2013 03:57 Millitron wrote:
Is the Avatar world really smaller than the real one? I thought it might be like the Elder Scrolls world, where much of it is just uncharted or inaccessible from the region where the stories take place. Well, we know where the poles are and I think it's been confirmed that the "other side" of the map is just water. Given how long it takes for people to go pole to pole, I don't see it being all that big. Well, it took ~4 months by air, with some dicking around in-between. We see fire-nation ships sort-of keep up with Appa, as well as that train/tank thing in Book 2, so he can't be that fast. Anybody know how fast a steamship is? We could get a rough estimate of Appa's speed by how fast he is compared to Fire Nation warships, and with a little math we'd have an even rougher estimate of the distance between the poles.
Even then, they didn't travel in a straight line.
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in 1801 steamboats went 5 miles per hour (!). In the next 50 years the speed improved by about fivefold.
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while googling on the topic I found this "remember that we see the Avatar world from the back of Appa, who the writers have said flies "at the speed of plot."
if that's true and it would be a bit silly if it weren't, this is going nowhere
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Avatar world has to fit in gravitational models in order to work otherwise the gravity would be off.
Their world doesn't make sense though. Magic and whatnot.
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Regarding all the technobabble, its really pointless to nitpick details, we can compare to earth, but the unique characteristics of the avatar world make a faster technological progression very possible.
Think about it, 100 years of world peace under a global government created by a messiah
The world enters a golden age of knowledge exchange, as things like the scientific method were probably figured out and sciece could really bloom since everyone in the world speaks the same language.
Then you have the fact that there is bending in the world, who knows what insight into geology, metallurgy, chemistry (inorganic) can a earth bender like toph really acquire over a lifetime ? id say a lot!
The fact that the fire nation already had combustion engines should tell you all you need to know regarding the tech level before the current series
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