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Funguuuuu
Profile Joined July 2011
United States198 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-30 03:54:50
June 30 2012 03:52 GMT
#2901
On June 30 2012 12:17 Xenocide_Knight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2012 18:52 Velocirapture wrote:
On June 27 2012 15:21 bittman wrote:
I also liked the style of fighting in LoK. If anything, the major reason I saw the bending being what it was from a setting point of view is that it's hard to chi block someone encased in a wall of rock. If it was TLA, Lin wouldn't be standing there owning stuff, she'd throw herself into a defensive area and chuck rocks at people all day.

But if we go the "probending as a big influence" then another big influence is obviously that people aren't at war. And certainly not at war with chi blockers until suddenly: they're at war with chi blockers. In TLA people had fought against firebenders for 100 years predominately and being at war was a constant thing.

Anyway I thought there was some beauty in the bending of LoK. Bending battles were pretty and that Tarlok v Korra battle, though short, was pretty boss. But nothing was ever going to be of the scale of TLA. I mean, come on: fighting against a giant water carp man or super saiyan firebenders isn't typically fair.

I understand the gripe, but I still appreciate the bending style shown in the show.


I would also like to point out that the show makes a pretty big deal in the first episode about how out of control bending can do more harm that good in a highly populated and developed cityscape. If you had the bending power to throw huge boulders and incinerate the landscape would you use it while fighting in the middle of Manhattan?

Id like to think that even a hothead like Korra would respect certain limits to prevent collateral damage (both life and property).

I thought that was going to be an important conflict though. Disappoint T.T

Like when Lin decides to go outside the law, I figured she would use Toph-like godmode bending and topple entire skyscrapers in order to kill a couple chi-blockers (it actually sorta fits the personality I would imagine from Toph's daughter. Maybe have an episode about Lin's rough upbringing at the hands of one of the most strict and feared mothers of all time who was also chief of police). Tenzin would confront her and tell her that she's out of control and the innocent lives she's sacrificing only helps to further Amon's goal. Lin struggles with her conscience but as the season develops and more and more of her officers are losing their bending, she decides that the only way to fight a madman like amon is to become equally ruthless (like alfred says in the dark knight). Maybe Jinora was exploring Republic city and got caught by Amon and lost her bending. Tenzin being Mr. spiritual-super moral is devastated but still will not stoop to Lin levels of collateral damage. Lin is disgusted and that could be her breaking point to truly go over the edge.

At which point the council (basically Tarlok who sees the chance to forever take control of the police and council) would rule that Lin is now a criminal on the same scale of Amon. Korra would obviously be caught in this crossfire of Lin vs Tenzin vs Amon vs Tarlok, not to mention the love drama that is tearing apart the friendship of Mako-Bolin-Asami-herself. Bolin and Mako have a huge falling out and fight but as they lose restraint, they accidentaly kill Asami. Bolin being the seemingly more empathetic "nice" character is devastated that he contributed to not only the death of asami, but other innocent bystanders. He surrenders himself willingly to Amon and it is later revealed that Bolin is one of Amon's new Lieutenants(I figure a pro-bender would be at least better than your average joe at hand-to-hand combat).

That obviously leads to an epic/dramatic/sad Mako-Bolin fight and Tenzin-Lin fight (since they used to be lovers it'd be even more emotionally charged. Maybe one episode dedicated to their past story, preferably real tragic. Lin would probably also mention how if Tenzin just grew a backbone, he probably could have stopped Amon before Jinora lost her bending). It also removes the cheesy love square with Asami dead and Mako/Bolin both feeling so guilty about her death. Mako especially feels awful since as we found out, he always preferred Korra to Asami anyway.

Perfect setup for final epic Korra/Amon fight where after a 10 minute battle across the city, Amon manages to subdue Korra and is about to take her bending. As he tries to take her bending, Korra finally goes avatar state and does generally epic things. Korra being Korra, there is a final scene where she decides to spare Amon but then Amon goads her and taunts her until she kills him in a fit or anger. With his dying breath, as Korra comes out of the avatar state, he tells her to look around: Republic city is a ruined, desolate landscape with hundreds, maybe thousands dead.

That also makes it so you don't have to unmask Amon. Just leave it V for Vendetta style where Amon is the faceless manifestation of the unjust rule by benders. Could maybe have a scene during the Korra/Amon fight where benders manage to save themselves amidst the burning city while non-benders pretty much all die, stuck in collapsing buildings/bridges/etc. Final scene could be Korra sobbing among the ashes of Republic city (aang's statue should be the only undamaged tall structure since it was on an island.) and General Iroh's fleet approaching through the smoke on the horizon.

Then season 2 would be setup great. What will Iroh's stance be? Zukos? Zuko's daughter's? Zuko would probably side with Amon and be horrified by the deaths of so many innocents. Zuko's daughter would take the other side and declare the supremacy of benders over non-benders. Her name should probably be Azula. Iroh would then obviously be caught in the conflict between his own family. He would then become TLA's Zuko-style conflicted character. Ironic considering his namesake.

As for the other characters, it could go anyway really. Tenzin probably kills Lin in a tearful finishing blow (which his wife considers revolting and causes a separation in the family of last airbenders. Not to mention Jinora losing her bending and Lin being the one "avenging" her. Tenzin's wife probably unfairly blames Tenzin for Jinora. "Maybe if you were more like Lin, this wouldn't have happened") Tenzin himself is shocked by his act of killing Lin. It was so out of character: only brought on by his past with Lin and the anguish/guilt of Jinora losing her bending. He becomes numb and unresponsive to an increasingly desperate Korra. Mako probably spares Bolin leaving the potential of Bolin+Amon's Lieutenant teaming up after the death of Amon. (Mako beating Bolin also symbolically underscores the bender>non bender theme)

Korra wrestles with the overwhelming guilt but she still has to confront major obstacles: how did Amon take people's bending? Was he really connected to the spirits? It is no longer such a ridiculous notion that the spirits would be outrages by the atrocities committed by benders in season 1. How will she master airbending with Tenzin in such a terrible state? How can she help his marriage falling apart? Lin clearly was out of control but who was truly the bad guy here?

Mako is a shadow of his former self: brooding and distant. Iroh has enough of his own problems dealing with Zuko/Azula2.0 and the now incredibly angry non-bending survivors of Republic city. (Could probably insert a Mengsk/Sons of Korhal character here: Intelligent, manipulative, and determined to rally a rebellion to overthrow the current government of benders. Probably will recruit/work with Bolin and Lieutenant man). Korra would be truly alone and in a terrible place, thus setting the stage for her exploration of the spiritual side of bending. Probably get help from Spirit Aang and maybe Katara.

etc, etc, etc.

While this would have been awesome if it had indeed happened, there is not a snowballs chance in hell that Nickelodeon would allow it.
The night is dark and full of Terrans
Zeke50100
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2220 Posts
June 30 2012 05:20 GMT
#2902
The finale of the show was absolutely pathetic. All conflicts are resolved within 10 minutes. Apparently, people can't handled having conflicts linger across seasons.

Oh, wait.

At least with the lion turtle, there were numerous references to ancient lion turtles with ancient wisdom. With LoK, they just threw in the deus ex machina because it looked cool >.>
Angel_
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1617 Posts
June 30 2012 05:28 GMT
#2903
On June 30 2012 12:17 Xenocide_Knight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2012 18:52 Velocirapture wrote:
On June 27 2012 15:21 bittman wrote:
I also liked the style of fighting in LoK. If anything, the major reason I saw the bending being what it was from a setting point of view is that it's hard to chi block someone encased in a wall of rock. If it was TLA, Lin wouldn't be standing there owning stuff, she'd throw herself into a defensive area and chuck rocks at people all day.

But if we go the "probending as a big influence" then another big influence is obviously that people aren't at war. And certainly not at war with chi blockers until suddenly: they're at war with chi blockers. In TLA people had fought against firebenders for 100 years predominately and being at war was a constant thing.

Anyway I thought there was some beauty in the bending of LoK. Bending battles were pretty and that Tarlok v Korra battle, though short, was pretty boss. But nothing was ever going to be of the scale of TLA. I mean, come on: fighting against a giant water carp man or super saiyan firebenders isn't typically fair.

I understand the gripe, but I still appreciate the bending style shown in the show.


I would also like to point out that the show makes a pretty big deal in the first episode about how out of control bending can do more harm that good in a highly populated and developed cityscape. If you had the bending power to throw huge boulders and incinerate the landscape would you use it while fighting in the middle of Manhattan?

Id like to think that even a hothead like Korra would respect certain limits to prevent collateral damage (both life and property).

I thought that was going to be an important conflict though. Disappoint T.T

Like when Lin decides to go outside the law, I figured she would use Toph-like godmode bending and topple entire skyscrapers in order to kill a couple chi-blockers (it actually sorta fits the personality I would imagine from Toph's daughter. Maybe have an episode about Lin's rough upbringing at the hands of one of the most strict and feared mothers of all time who was also chief of police). Tenzin would confront her and tell her that she's out of control and the innocent lives she's sacrificing only helps to further Amon's goal. Lin struggles with her conscience but as the season develops and more and more of her officers are losing their bending, she decides that the only way to fight a madman like amon is to become equally ruthless (like alfred says in the dark knight). Maybe Jinora was exploring Republic city and got caught by Amon and lost her bending. Tenzin being Mr. spiritual-super moral is devastated but still will not stoop to Lin levels of collateral damage. Lin is disgusted and that could be her breaking point to truly go over the edge.

At which point the council (basically Tarlok who sees the chance to forever take control of the police and council) would rule that Lin is now a criminal on the same scale of Amon. Korra would obviously be caught in this crossfire of Lin vs Tenzin vs Amon vs Tarlok, not to mention the love drama that is tearing apart the friendship of Mako-Bolin-Asami-herself. Bolin and Mako have a huge falling out and fight but as they lose restraint, they accidentaly kill Asami. Bolin being the seemingly more empathetic "nice" character is devastated that he contributed to not only the death of asami, but other innocent bystanders. He surrenders himself willingly to Amon and it is later revealed that Bolin is one of Amon's new Lieutenants(I figure a pro-bender would be at least better than your average joe at hand-to-hand combat).

That obviously leads to an epic/dramatic/sad Mako-Bolin fight and Tenzin-Lin fight (since they used to be lovers it'd be even more emotionally charged. Maybe one episode dedicated to their past story, preferably real tragic. Lin would probably also mention how if Tenzin just grew a backbone, he probably could have stopped Amon before Jinora lost her bending). It also removes the cheesy love square with Asami dead and Mako/Bolin both feeling so guilty about her death. Mako especially feels awful since as we found out, he always preferred Korra to Asami anyway.

Perfect setup for final epic Korra/Amon fight where after a 10 minute battle across the city, Amon manages to subdue Korra and is about to take her bending. As he tries to take her bending, Korra finally goes avatar state and does generally epic things. Korra being Korra, there is a final scene where she decides to spare Amon but then Amon goads her and taunts her until she kills him in a fit or anger. With his dying breath, as Korra comes out of the avatar state, he tells her to look around: Republic city is a ruined, desolate landscape with hundreds, maybe thousands dead.

That also makes it so you don't have to unmask Amon. Just leave it V for Vendetta style where Amon is the faceless manifestation of the unjust rule by benders. Could maybe have a scene during the Korra/Amon fight where benders manage to save themselves amidst the burning city while non-benders pretty much all die, stuck in collapsing buildings/bridges/etc. Final scene could be Korra sobbing among the ashes of Republic city (aang's statue should be the only undamaged tall structure since it was on an island.) and General Iroh's fleet approaching through the smoke on the horizon.

Then season 2 would be setup great. What will Iroh's stance be? Zukos? Zuko's daughter's? Zuko would probably side with Amon and be horrified by the deaths of so many innocents. Zuko's daughter would take the other side and declare the supremacy of benders over non-benders. Her name should probably be Azula. Iroh would then obviously be caught in the conflict between his own family. He would then become TLA's Zuko-style conflicted character. Ironic considering his namesake.

As for the other characters, it could go anyway really. Tenzin probably kills Lin in a tearful finishing blow (which his wife considers revolting and causes a separation in the family of last airbenders. Not to mention Jinora losing her bending and Lin being the one "avenging" her. Tenzin's wife probably unfairly blames Tenzin for Jinora. "Maybe if you were more like Lin, this wouldn't have happened") Tenzin himself is shocked by his act of killing Lin. It was so out of character: only brought on by his past with Lin and the anguish/guilt of Jinora losing her bending. He becomes numb and unresponsive to an increasingly desperate Korra. Mako probably spares Bolin leaving the potential of Bolin+Amon's Lieutenant teaming up after the death of Amon. (Mako beating Bolin also symbolically underscores the bender>non bender theme)

Korra wrestles with the overwhelming guilt but she still has to confront major obstacles: how did Amon take people's bending? Was he really connected to the spirits? It is no longer such a ridiculous notion that the spirits would be outrages by the atrocities committed by benders in season 1. How will she master airbending with Tenzin in such a terrible state? How can she help his marriage falling apart? Lin clearly was out of control but who was truly the bad guy here?

Mako is a shadow of his former self: brooding and distant. Iroh has enough of his own problems dealing with Zuko/Azula2.0 and the now incredibly angry non-bending survivors of Republic city. (Could probably insert a Mengsk/Sons of Korhal character here: Intelligent, manipulative, and determined to rally a rebellion to overthrow the current government of benders. Probably will recruit/work with Bolin and Lieutenant man). Korra would be truly alone and in a terrible place, thus setting the stage for her exploration of the spiritual side of bending. Probably get help from Spirit Aang and maybe Katara.

etc, etc, etc.


you forgot you were watching korra because you've been reading too much deep psychological manga. T_T
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34503 Posts
June 30 2012 09:44 GMT
#2904
Xenocide, you should totally become a producer of a spinoff series targeted at adults.
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Skilledblob
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany3392 Posts
June 30 2012 11:10 GMT
#2905
Xenocide has seen too many cheap dramas
TOloseGT
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States1145 Posts
June 30 2012 12:13 GMT
#2906
Xenocide, that would be a pretty cool late night anime, not a very good Nick's series.
Praetorial
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States4241 Posts
June 30 2012 12:18 GMT
#2907
Xenocide, that reflection would theoretically work if this were not a kid's show.
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SilSol
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden2744 Posts
June 30 2012 12:37 GMT
#2908
I've seen some of it now and i like it a lot! thx for this otherwise i would never of thought about watching it! <3
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RogerX
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
New Zealand3180 Posts
June 30 2012 12:39 GMT
#2909
Xenocide, why you do this to my children?
Stick it up. take it up. step aside and see the world
Millitron
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States2611 Posts
June 30 2012 17:57 GMT
#2910
On June 29 2012 14:57 Acetone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2012 14:37 Millitron wrote:
I don't think Amon wanted to rule with an iron fist as the only bender, mostly because that's a pretty obviously terrible plan. He was raising an army trained specifically to fight benders. He'd be toast if his cover was ever blown. Sure bloodbending is powerful, but its not Beat-a-whole-army-by-myself powerful.

I suspect he really believed that bending was the root of all evil, primarily from his horrific blood-bending lessons.

I agree, as did Tarrlok. Yakone was a pretty bad apple, and given his great power, a terrific example of how oppressive bending can be. Maybe not all of season 2, but I think at least the first few episodes of it will involve Team Avatar, Tenzin, Lin and Co. convincing the Equalists that most benders aren't power-hungry douchers and that outlawing bending would be like if the USA were to repeal the right to bear arms: nobody would actually be any safer (shock glove, anyone?). And hopefully, the result of their efforts will be a similarly democratic government to the one that existed before the Equalist attack, only with equal bender and non-bender representation.

I'm pretty sure I actually discussed the right to bear arms way earlier in the thread. Anyways, at the risk of ruining the thread by making it about gun-rights, I think the world actually WOULD be safer without bending. I'm adamantly against gun control, and think everyone should have guns, but the difference here is that not everyone can be a bender. You either are one, or you aren't; anyone can own a gun though. Guns provide equality by giving everyone power, removing bending would provide equality by giving no one power.

I agree though that this will likely be a central conflict in season 2, though I don't think its as black and white as you suggest.
Who called in the fleet?
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35172 Posts
June 30 2012 18:09 GMT
#2911
On June 30 2012 14:20 Zeke50100 wrote:
The finale of the show was absolutely pathetic. All conflicts are resolved within 10 minutes. Apparently, people can't handled having conflicts linger across seasons.

Oh, wait.

At least with the lion turtle, there were numerous references to ancient lion turtles with ancient wisdom. With LoK, they just threw in the deus ex machina because it looked cool >.>

They didn't know there was going to be a second season till they were close to finished animating the first season. Should they have been given a few more episodes for season 1 to being with? Yeah, but it is what it is.

At the same time, the Avatar State was exposed multiple times in TLA. If that isn't "good enough" it was shown in the flashbacks as well. Then there's the whole"throughout the series Korra's chakra were getting unlocked" thing. I find it hilarious how much people feel the need to be handheld through the series.
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34503 Posts
June 30 2012 18:13 GMT
#2912
On July 01 2012 03:09 Gahlo wrote:
Then there's the whole"throughout the series Korra's chakra were getting unlocked" thing. I find it hilarious how much people feel the need to be handheld through the series.

Woah, I completely missed out on this. Where is this highlighted?
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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35172 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-30 18:45:37
June 30 2012 18:37 GMT
#2913
On July 01 2012 03:13 Firebolt145 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2012 03:09 Gahlo wrote:
Then there's the whole"throughout the series Korra's chakra were getting unlocked" thing. I find it hilarious how much people feel the need to be handheld through the series.

Woah, I completely missed out on this. Where is this highlighted?

Somewhere on the Avatar Reddit. It was linked a few times earlier in this thread, I believe.

EDIT: Here it is: http://www.reddit.com/r/TheLastAirbender/comments/v8hb2/everyone_seems_to_be_forgetting_the_korra_opening/
ore0z
Profile Joined December 2009
Romania161 Posts
June 30 2012 22:09 GMT
#2914
On July 01 2012 03:09 Gahlo wrote:
At the same time, the Avatar State was exposed multiple times in TLA. If that isn't "good enough" it was shown in the flashbacks as well. Then there's the whole"throughout the series Korra's chakra were getting unlocked" thing. I find it hilarious how much people feel the need to be handheld through the series.


The Avatar state and the chakras were never mentioned in A:LoK. I can understand most people's being confused because it was never suggested. The idea that the series followed Korra releasing her chakras was never hinted on, or explained, so its still just an idea that doesn't have any support.
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34503 Posts
June 30 2012 22:14 GMT
#2915
Tbh after reading that, it sorta reminds me of the mass effect 3 indoctrination theory. It sounds amazing and I want to believe it but sometimes I wonder if all this chakra theory stuff is us finding things that we want to find.
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Belgo
Profile Joined September 2009
United States721 Posts
June 30 2012 22:29 GMT
#2916
On July 01 2012 07:14 Firebolt145 wrote:
Tbh after reading that, it sorta reminds me of the mass effect 3 indoctrination theory. It sounds amazing and I want to believe it but sometimes I wonder if all this chakra theory stuff is us finding things that we want to find.


Correct, but you can make a case seeing that we have a president, Aang, doing just that. Each of his chakra's where released from some action that he had a part in. http://avatar.wikia.com/wiki/Chakras
12 gateways being thrown down, which is standard transition after the two observatory opening
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34503 Posts
June 30 2012 23:12 GMT
#2917
Yeah, I know it happened in TLAB and there was an entire episode dedicated to it. But somehow this theory just seems far too subliminal to be intended.

Granted it's not quite as subliminal as the indoctrination theory is, so I'd be far less surprised if season 2 revealed that this theory is true, whereas I'd have shaken my head if Bioware claimed the indoctrination theory was true.
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jodogohoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada2533 Posts
July 01 2012 03:23 GMT
#2918
the problem with xenocide knights theory is that it's more based on human connections versus broader social issues. while there is some issues, it doesn't go as far as it could. it doesn't look at the historic change from agriculture to industry, etc... a neo-marxist would have great fun with republic city
MountainDewJunkie
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States10346 Posts
July 01 2012 03:34 GMT
#2919
May I make a fan poll?

+ Show Spoiler +
Poll: Thoughts on Amon's true identity?

I'm okay with it (14)
 
50%

It's a good explanation/revelation (7)
 
25%

Convenient, dismissive (4)
 
14%

I wish he was a non-bender with spiritual powers (2)
 
7%

it wasn't the most important revelation (indifferent) (1)
 
4%

28 total votes

Your vote: Thoughts on Amon's true identity?

(Vote): Convenient, dismissive
(Vote): I wish he was a non-bender with spiritual powers
(Vote): I'm okay with it
(Vote): it wasn't the most important revelation (indifferent)
(Vote): It's a good explanation/revelation

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MajuGarzett
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada635 Posts
July 01 2012 04:48 GMT
#2920
On July 01 2012 12:34 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
May I make a fan poll?

+ Show Spoiler +
Poll: Thoughts on Amon's true identity?

I'm okay with it (14)
 
50%

It's a good explanation/revelation (7)
 
25%

Convenient, dismissive (4)
 
14%

I wish he was a non-bender with spiritual powers (2)
 
7%

it wasn't the most important revelation (indifferent) (1)
 
4%

28 total votes

Your vote: Thoughts on Amon's true identity?

(Vote): Convenient, dismissive
(Vote): I wish he was a non-bender with spiritual powers
(Vote): I'm okay with it
(Vote): it wasn't the most important revelation (indifferent)
(Vote): It's a good explanation/revelation


I would have really liked his story to have had something to do with Koh. It would have connected it to TLA with the continuing conflict between Koh and the avatar and spirit world stuff would have really fleshed out Korra's spiritual growth instead of Aang popping up out of nowhere.
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