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On June 18 2012 10:55 Zambrah wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 10:30 TwoToneTerran wrote:
I'm not sure. Amon even spelled out that the main thing he wanted to avoid was having the world's armies crashing down on him when he refused to debend Korra at the statue. I'm assuming he has a plan, otherwise he wouldn't go into full scale war. Its probably fair to assume that after the whole non-bender curfew, that a good deal of Republic City's citizens would be onboard with Amon's plan, so when the revolution happens he'll probably have a nice boost in forces.
Haha let's go with that! That would explain the pretty noobiness of those chi-blockers who got owned by those airbending kids :D
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On June 18 2012 13:27 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 10:55 Zambrah wrote:On June 18 2012 10:30 TwoToneTerran wrote:
I'm not sure. Amon even spelled out that the main thing he wanted to avoid was having the world's armies crashing down on him when he refused to debend Korra at the statue. I'm assuming he has a plan, otherwise he wouldn't go into full scale war. Its probably fair to assume that after the whole non-bender curfew, that a good deal of Republic City's citizens would be onboard with Amon's plan, so when the revolution happens he'll probably have a nice boost in forces. Haha let's go with that! That would explain the pretty noobiness of those chi-blockers who got owned by those airbending kids :D
Yeah, I think that the chi-blockers were TOO strong in the early episodes. There were multitudes of them that easily won fights vs. benders... I could understand if there were a select few that were extremely good fighters, but it seemed like ALL of them were better fighters than the benders themselves.
And as I thought that, I knew that whenever the benders DID beat the chi-blockers, it would look like the chi-blockers suddenly got worse at fighting, out of the blue.
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On June 18 2012 13:38 ClysmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 13:27 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:On June 18 2012 10:55 Zambrah wrote:On June 18 2012 10:30 TwoToneTerran wrote:
I'm not sure. Amon even spelled out that the main thing he wanted to avoid was having the world's armies crashing down on him when he refused to debend Korra at the statue. I'm assuming he has a plan, otherwise he wouldn't go into full scale war. Its probably fair to assume that after the whole non-bender curfew, that a good deal of Republic City's citizens would be onboard with Amon's plan, so when the revolution happens he'll probably have a nice boost in forces. Haha let's go with that! That would explain the pretty noobiness of those chi-blockers who got owned by those airbending kids :D Yeah, I think that the chi-blockers were TOO strong in the early episodes. There were multitudes of them that easily won fights vs. benders... I could understand if there were a select few that were extremely good fighters, but it seemed like ALL of them were better fighters than the benders themselves. And as I thought that, I knew that whenever the benders DID beat the chi-blockers, it would look like the chi-blockers suddenly got worse at fighting, out of the blue.
Don't underestimate them. The Chi blockers may not have bending, but they still have martial arts training (which benders get through just bending since the forms and the physical moving of the element are the same).So, just because they don't have inherent "bending" they still are very capable fighters. How many times did you see a bender get zapped? With harnessing the electricity they are on pretty even footing.
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On June 18 2012 13:43 Belgo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 13:38 ClysmiC wrote:On June 18 2012 13:27 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:On June 18 2012 10:55 Zambrah wrote:On June 18 2012 10:30 TwoToneTerran wrote:
I'm not sure. Amon even spelled out that the main thing he wanted to avoid was having the world's armies crashing down on him when he refused to debend Korra at the statue. I'm assuming he has a plan, otherwise he wouldn't go into full scale war. Its probably fair to assume that after the whole non-bender curfew, that a good deal of Republic City's citizens would be onboard with Amon's plan, so when the revolution happens he'll probably have a nice boost in forces. Haha let's go with that! That would explain the pretty noobiness of those chi-blockers who got owned by those airbending kids :D Yeah, I think that the chi-blockers were TOO strong in the early episodes. There were multitudes of them that easily won fights vs. benders... I could understand if there were a select few that were extremely good fighters, but it seemed like ALL of them were better fighters than the benders themselves. And as I thought that, I knew that whenever the benders DID beat the chi-blockers, it would look like the chi-blockers suddenly got worse at fighting, out of the blue. Don't underestimate them. The Chi blockers may not have bending, but they still have martial arts training (which benders get through just bending since the forms and the physical moving of the element are the same).So, just because they don't have inherent "bending" they still are very capable fighters. How many times did you see a bender get zapped? With harnessing the electricity they are on pretty even footing.
Lately I think only Lin has been zapped and she really needs to figure out not to shoot metal wires at electric batons. I think mos of the benders have been captured by the spinning wire things recently.
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Well it seemed pretty realistic to me, they simply underestimated the chi-blockers early on and/or simply weren't prepared.
I'm not trying to bash LoK but everything would be different if they had guns xD I mean yea, benders would still be able to fight back (if they don't guns themselves haha), since the guns would be the old weak kinds, so they could use knock the bullets out of the air or whatnot, but with guns the equalists could have even greater numbers X).
Better yet, equalists with the martial arts they have now PLUS guns. They get in close, dodge their bending, then shoot them close range.
Actually anyone notice no one uses swords or blades? Imagine chi-blockers with those. Oh man, mako and bolin woulda been killed already. Actually I'm glad they don't use blades, since whenever i see blades in a Y7 show I'm just like... yeah no one's gonna get cut with it >.<. It sorta detracts from the experience, even if the sword fighting is cool.
(And also many mentioned before, why don't the metal bending cops shoot bullets haha)
Ok ok, i'll stop ruining everything now.
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Well, most of the benders that got beat up by Equalists early on were pretty nooby.
I recall a comment about pro-bending and how it seemed pretty lame compared to a lot of the bending from TLA. Pro-bending is a sport with its own specific techniques and strategies-- not really suited for anything outside the sport itself. Still, it can be assumed these so-called "pro-benders" are still significantly better than your average citizen with bending ability. The average citizen probably has little to no bending training. Recall in TLA most of the benders we saw were professional soldiers or otherwise masters/ prodigies in their respective bending.
Metalbending police are probably not very trained to fight Equalists. They're probably more used to things like crowd control (as illustrated by tying people up with barriers) and chasing down small groups of criminals with airships and full support and communications. Admittedly, they are pretty complacent though-- standing with your back to an entrance in the pro-bending arena was quite possibly the stupidest thing they could have done there. If they were going to do that, they should have used seismic sense at least... also, electricity beats metal pretty bad (though not in pokemon).
I think its realistic that members of the White Lotus, which was pretty kickass in TLA, would be pretty good fighters. The organization has clearly gone quantity over quality a bit, but they're still better than the average citizen, criminal or cop. So, it makes sense they did better against the Equalists. Tenzin *is* Aang's son, and hey, he's doing better and better against Equalists now that he's learned to dodge electricity. Apparently getting electrocuted was a weakness of his (just like Aang). 
Far as kids beating up Equalists:
Well, no one wants to beat up a kid
It was a sneak attack
Dem airbenders are evasive little buggers
Kids do all sorts of unorthodox stuff that adults would never try or think they could get away with. Think of some of the crazy things you did when you started playing SC2. Some of them were pretty stupid and you would never do them now, but hey it worked against that Masters player at the time didn't it?
And I leave you with this.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ConservationOfNinjutsu
Beginning: Amon, Lieutenant and one or two Equalists. Very kickass.
Now: Amon, Lieutenant, airship fleet and a fucking invasion force. Everyone except Amon is weak as hell.
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On June 18 2012 14:04 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
Well it seemed pretty realistic to me, they simply underestimated the chi-blockers early on and/or simply weren't prepared.
I'm not trying to bash LoK but everything would be different if they had guns xD I mean yea, benders would still be able to fight back (if they don't guns themselves haha), since the guns would be the old weak kinds, so they could use knock the bullets out of the air or whatnot, but with guns the equalists could have even greater numbers X).
Better yet, equalists with the martial arts they have now PLUS guns. They get in close, dodge their bending, then shoot them close range.
Actually anyone notice no one uses swords or blades? Imagine chi-blockers with those. Oh man, mako and bolin woulda been killed already. Actually I'm glad they don't use blades, since whenever i see blades in a Y7 show I'm just like... yeah no one's gonna get cut with it >.<. It sorta detracts from the experience, even if the sword fighting is cool.
(And also many mentioned before, why don't the metal bending cops shoot bullets haha)
Ok ok, i'll stop ruining everything now.
Well, chi blocking is a very retarded counter to bending from a "realistic" point of view. The blockers are just as fragile as benders and have to get extremely close to be effective. This would be extremely ineffective against competent benders, specially air, who could easily keep a distance, and earth whom have amazing defense.
Water and fire would be more vulnerable since it's easier to get close to them, but they can still attack from a distance and water has some mobility.
Guns or even melee weapons (why chi block them if you're close enough that you can hit them with a hatchet? lol) would be much more effective, but of course this is still a kid's show, and that sort of realism would be far to violent for it.
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On June 18 2012 14:06 ticklishmusic wrote:
Well, most of the benders that got beat up by Equalists early on were pretty nooby.
I recall a comment about pro-bending and how it seemed pretty lame compared to a lot of the bending from TLA. Pro-bending is a sport with its own specific techniques and strategies-- not really suited for anything outside the sport itself. Still, it can be assumed these so-called "pro-benders" are still significantly better than your average citizen with bending ability. The average citizen probably has little to no bending training. Recall in TLA most of the benders we saw were professional soldiers or otherwise masters/ prodigies in their respective bending.
Metalbending police are probably not very trained to fight Equalists. They're probably more used to things like crowd control (as illustrated by tying people up with barriers) and chasing down small groups of criminals with airships and full support and communications. Admittedly, they are pretty complacent though-- standing with your back to an entrance in the pro-bending arena was quite possibly the stupidest thing they could have done there. If they were going to do that, they should have used seismic sense at least... also, electricity beats metal pretty bad (though not in pokemon).
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Pro bending is analogies to MMA/UFC. Taking these martial arts, regardless if they where first created for sport or not (like Tai Chi and Ba Gua) and adding in the "sports" stuff. (forget that a good majority of mma fighters are nothing but giant meat puppets and have very little actual skill, just pure strength). The benders in TLA where the more traditional sense of the martial arts.
And Metalbenders where quite...shocked...when the Chi blockers had electricity. (GET IT! JOKE!)
Far as kids beating up Equalists:
Well, no one wants to beat up a kid
It was a sneak attack
Dem airbenders are evasive little buggers
Kids do all sorts of unorthodox stuff that adults would never try or think they could get away with. Think of some of the crazy things you did when you started playing SC2. Some of them were pretty stupid and you would never do them now, but hey it worked against that Masters player at the time didn't it?
I will say what I said before about the kids
Don't forget that every air tribe member can bend due to their very spiritual upbringing(Who knows why Bumi can't bend, but most likely due to the upbringing the three of them got, or probably what happens when you get freaky with an avatar since kya is a water bender.). You saw earlier that the kids could easily do the post training (something that is very hard, I know from experience) So they are completely immersed in the art. And since air bending is Ba Gua, an internal style like tai chi (water bending) that the barrier to be proficient isn't necessarily lock behind not being physically strong. So yes, they are kids but they have had the best training, both physically, mentally and spiritually since they had been born.
Short version! Kids age = Number of years practicing, so even meelo has a very good set of training time. Also, white Lotus people will be godlike! (hopefully D ; )
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On June 18 2012 14:06 ticklishmusic wrote:Well, most of the benders that got beat up by Equalists early on were pretty nooby. I recall a comment about pro-bending and how it seemed pretty lame compared to a lot of the bending from TLA. Pro-bending is a sport with its own specific techniques and strategies-- not really suited for anything outside the sport itself. Still, it can be assumed these so-called "pro-benders" are still significantly better than your average citizen with bending ability. The average citizen probably has little to no bending training. Recall in TLA most of the benders we saw were professional soldiers or otherwise masters/ prodigies in their respective bending. Metalbending police are probably not very trained to fight Equalists. They're probably more used to things like crowd control (as illustrated by tying people up with barriers) and chasing down small groups of criminals with airships and full support and communications. Admittedly, they are pretty complacent though-- standing with your back to an entrance in the pro-bending arena was quite possibly the stupidest thing they could have done there. If they were going to do that, they should have used seismic sense at least... also, electricity beats metal pretty bad (though not in pokemon). I think its realistic that members of the White Lotus, which was pretty kickass in TLA, would be pretty good fighters. The organization has clearly gone quantity over quality a bit, but they're still better than the average citizen, criminal or cop. So, it makes sense they did better against the Equalists. Tenzin *is* Aang's son, and hey, he's doing better and better against Equalists now that he's learned to dodge electricity. Apparently getting electrocuted was a weakness of his (just like Aang). Far as kids beating up Equalists: Well, no one wants to beat up a kid It was a sneak attack Dem airbenders are evasive little buggers Kids do all sorts of unorthodox stuff that adults would never try or think they could get away with. Think of some of the crazy things you did when you started playing SC2. Some of them were pretty stupid and you would never do them now, but hey it worked against that Masters player at the time didn't it? And I leave you with this. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ConservationOfNinjutsuBeginning: Amon, Lieutenant and one or two Equalists. Very kickass. Now: Amon, Lieutenant, airship fleet and a fucking invasion force. Everyone except Amon is weak as hell.
Interesting pointing out that trope! Btw I love tvtropes haha.
Good points about equalists vs kids. When they tried to stop meelo they didn't have their sticks out, seems like they didn't want to electrocute him (especially because, unless if amon believes in not killing citizens, if LoK were more realistic then zapping someone with those sticks would probably kill them).
Also nice pointing out the white lotus stuff. Pretty reasonable.
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It's also worth noting that the equalists probably aren't entirely adept at fighting airbenders considering Tenzin and his family are the only living airbenders.
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I just feel like it should be EXTREMELY rare for a non-bender to be able to not get demolished by a competent bender. In TLA, you never really saw any non-bender capable of fighting at the same level as a bender besides that acrobat girl, but it was very rare.
In LoK, it seems like whatever Joe Schmo decides to join the Equalists can go toe to toe with benders easily. The only times that this is somewhat feasible is when they use electric gloves and ropes... but I still feel like a bender should be able to overcome that. But then there are also many other times where they fight them hand-to-hand, with no gadgets, and can still chi-block them like it is a piece of cake.
Don't get me wrong, I'm loving LoK, I just feel like the bending hasn't been as powerful and badass as it was in TLA.
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Damn, it was really nice to see Tenzin kick some ass. His kids were pretty sweet too, Meelo is pure fking gold haha.
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On June 18 2012 15:18 ClysmiC wrote:
I just feel like it should be EXTREMELY rare for a non-bender to be able to not get demolished by a competent bender. In TLA, you never really saw any non-bender capable of fighting at the same level as a bender besides that acrobat girl, but it was very rare.
In LoK, it seems like whatever Joe Schmo decides to join the Equalists can go toe to toe with benders easily. The only times that this is somewhat feasible is when they use electric gloves and ropes... but I still feel like a bender should be able to overcome that. But then there are also many other times where they fight them hand-to-hand, with no gadgets, and can still chi-block them like it is a piece of cake.
Don't get me wrong, I'm loving LoK, I just feel like the bending hasn't been as powerful and badass as it was in TLA.
You can kind of attribute the lack of epic-scale bending to the surroundings, they ARE in a city for the vast majority of the series, and up until this latest episode, epic scale bending would probably get people arrested, BUT this double episode special is PROBABLY gonna have plenty of epic bending, TLA's best moments of bending are during the war (in my opinion) when there weren't any negative consequences for massive destruction.
You can probably bet on some really, really awesome bending shows with this next hour long special.
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On June 18 2012 15:41 Zambrah wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 15:18 ClysmiC wrote:
I just feel like it should be EXTREMELY rare for a non-bender to be able to not get demolished by a competent bender. In TLA, you never really saw any non-bender capable of fighting at the same level as a bender besides that acrobat girl, but it was very rare.
In LoK, it seems like whatever Joe Schmo decides to join the Equalists can go toe to toe with benders easily. The only times that this is somewhat feasible is when they use electric gloves and ropes... but I still feel like a bender should be able to overcome that. But then there are also many other times where they fight them hand-to-hand, with no gadgets, and can still chi-block them like it is a piece of cake.
Don't get me wrong, I'm loving LoK, I just feel like the bending hasn't been as powerful and badass as it was in TLA. You can kind of attribute the lack of epic-scale bending to the surroundings, they ARE in a city for the vast majority of the series, and up until this latest episode, epic scale bending would probably get people arrested, BUT this double episode special is PROBABLY gonna have plenty of epic bending, TLA's best moments of bending are during the war (in my opinion) when there weren't any negative consequences for massive destruction. You can probably bet on some really, really awesome bending shows with this next hour long special.
Yeah I've kind of accepted that the bending is a bit toned down in this series. It's still great to watch though. I hope you're right about the finale ^_^
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On June 18 2012 07:25 Seiferz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 06:56 Tempest636 wrote:
Avatar the Last Airbender, though childish at times, is one of the greatest, most detailed and well thought out shows in existence. The writers spaired no expense in story creation and plot device management in an already kewl universe. So far Korra is doing just as well and I can't wait to see what they do with it :3 for western cartoons, yea. if you think this is impressive you should dabble in some real anime. also why does tenzin have arrows? i thought that was an avatar thing
All Air Nomads get them when they master air bending.
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On June 18 2012 07:01 Tempest636 wrote:
Has anyone else noticed slight mirrors of Amon to Aang? like how in AtLA season 2 and 3 Zuko mirrored Aang, both growing and going thru changes, both need to regain their honor, etc. but Amon blocks bending just like aang, and with the episode where he faced tarlak he overcame the blood bending much like aang in the flash back.
thoughts?
Both times that Aang got out of the blood bending he went into the avatar state. After going into the avatar state he had freewill over his body again. Now with Amon, even though he was still able to walk, it looked like it was a struggle.
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Just wondering, does anyone remember whether or not Airbending is invisible? I seem to remember back in TLA when Aang and the Gang first met Toph in the episode The Blind Bandit. When Aang beat Toph by airbending her out of the ring, The Boulder and the guy who ran the underground bending league thought that Aang and Toph were colluding because they didn't see what knocked Toph out. They thought she fell out on purpose so they could split the bonus win money.
I'm just looking for ways to make it more believable that the airbending kids could beat all those Equalists. They already have the innocent kid factor going on along with the fact that Equalists haven't ever fought Airbenders before. Being able to bend invisible forces would be another plus.
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have you ever seen air? I certainly have not. Airbending seems visible in the cartoon because they have to make it a bit visible through adding some lines that show the airflow or by adding dust to the air.
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On June 18 2012 17:45 Supamang wrote:
Just wondering, does anyone remember whether or not Airbending is invisible? I seem to remember back in TLA when Aang and the Gang first met Toph in the episode The Blind Bandit. When Aang beat Toph by airbending her out of the ring, The Boulder and the guy who ran the underground bending league thought that Aang and Toph were colluding because they didn't see what knocked Toph out. They thought she fell out on purpose so they could split the bonus win money.
I'm just looking for ways to make it more believable that the airbending kids could beat all those Equalists. They already have the innocent kid factor going on along with the fact that Equalists haven't ever fought Airbenders before. Being able to bend invisible forces would be another plus.
I will say what I said before about the kids
Don't forget that every air tribe member can bend due to their very spiritual upbringing(Who knows why Bumi can't bend, but most likely due to the upbringing the three of them got, or probably what happens when you get freaky with an avatar since kya is a water bender.). You saw earlier that the kids could easily do the post training (something that is very hard, I know from experience) So they are completely immersed in the art. And since air bending is Ba Gua, an internal style like tai chi (water bending) that the barrier to be proficient isn't necessarily lock behind not being physically strong. So yes, they are kids but they have had the best training, both physically, mentally and spiritually since they had been born.
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