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OK. Apparently someone on IMDB had acces to Weyland's computer and found this little .doc lying around. I wonder what it could all mean?
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MY PLAN FOR IMMORTALITY - BY WEYLAND
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- Spend $trillion on a trip to an unknown moon, on a hunch from a naive hippy couple who believe things because they choose to
- Recruit a bunch of absolutely stupid tools from various disciplines who think and act irrationally
- Get some crew members with adolescent angst on board (incl. an android and my own daughter)
- Pretend to be dead to the crew, but reveal myself later (problem - won't they think I'm a dousche? Cross that bridge when I get to it)
- Let the "scientists" fumble about a bit first and see what they rustle up
- Even if lots of people die, become infected and raped by aliens, don't worry, keep believing that "they created human life, so they must be able to save us too" (Wait - if that's the case, what about asking a few milfs to save my life? They've created human life too... does what I said even make any sense? Have I taken my pills? Ah whatever, the $1t trip to a moon will be fun)
- Anyway - get to the Alien chamber whatever the risk, and ask an android to try and ask an alien creature for some "answers" so that I might cure the aging problem somehow.
Contains spoilers, obviously.
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On June 03 2012 20:22 teapot wrote:OK. Apparently someone on IMDB had acces to Weyland's computer and found this little .doc lying around. I wonder what it could all mean? + Show Spoiler +
MY PLAN FOR IMMORTALITY - BY WEYLAND
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- Spend $trillion on a trip to an unknown moon, on a hunch from a naive hippy couple who believe things because they choose to
- Recruit a bunch of absolutely stupid tools from various disciplines who think and act irrationally
- Get some crew members with adolescent angst on board (incl. an android and my own daughter)
- Pretend to be dead to the crew, but reveal myself later (problem - won't they think I'm a dousche? Cross that bridge when I get to it)
- Let the "scientists" fumble about a bit first and see what they rustle up
- Even if lots of people die, become infected and raped by aliens, don't worry, keep believing that "they created human life, so they must be able to save us too" (Wait - if that's the case, what about asking a few milfs to save my life? They've created human life too... does what I said even make any sense? Have I taken my pills? Ah whatever, the $1t trip to a moon will be fun)
- Anyway - get to the Alien chamber whatever the risk, and ask an android to try and ask an alien creature for some "answers" so that I might cure the aging problem somehow.
Contains spoilers, obviously.
it has a shitty script with contrived plot points. That goes for 99% of big, Hollywood action movies. Even Dark Knight had a shitty script, but it was saved by a few important elements - like Ledger's Joker. Just because some of the plot devices in Prometheus are silly doesn't mean the movie has no redeeming qualities or that it isn't enjoyable. But ok, we get it.. you don't like the movie. You're just repeating yourself at this point.
On June 03 2012 20:53 teapot wrote:
Good review.
Uninsightful and narrowminded review.. and anyway, even Alien and Blade Runner got torn to pieces by narrowminded reviewers when they were first released..
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Its a solid movie really. I think that you should keep your mind open towards various interpretations rather than sticking to one and saying that the movie sucks.
Yes, there are scenes that werent necessary and character development was poor but it shouldnt detract from the grand and august approach the movie took.
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On June 03 2012 21:20 Quotidian wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2012 20:22 teapot wrote:OK. Apparently someone on IMDB had acces to Weyland's computer and found this little .doc lying around. I wonder what it could all mean? + Show Spoiler +
MY PLAN FOR IMMORTALITY - BY WEYLAND
====================================
- Spend $trillion on a trip to an unknown moon, on a hunch from a naive hippy couple who believe things because they choose to
- Recruit a bunch of absolutely stupid tools from various disciplines who think and act irrationally
- Get some crew members with adolescent angst on board (incl. an android and my own daughter)
- Pretend to be dead to the crew, but reveal myself later (problem - won't they think I'm a dousche? Cross that bridge when I get to it)
- Let the "scientists" fumble about a bit first and see what they rustle up
- Even if lots of people die, become infected and raped by aliens, don't worry, keep believing that "they created human life, so they must be able to save us too" (Wait - if that's the case, what about asking a few milfs to save my life? They've created human life too... does what I said even make any sense? Have I taken my pills? Ah whatever, the $1t trip to a moon will be fun)
- Anyway - get to the Alien chamber whatever the risk, and ask an android to try and ask an alien creature for some "answers" so that I might cure the aging problem somehow.
Contains spoilers, obviously. it has a shitty script with contrived plot points. That goes for 99% of big, Hollywood action movies. Even Dark Knight had a shitty script, but it was saved by a few important elements - like Ledger's Joker. Just because some of the plot devices in Prometheus are silly doesn't mean the movie has no redeeming qualities or that it isn't enjoyable. But ok, we get it.. you don't like the movie. You're just repeating yourself at this point. Uninsightful and narrowminded review.. and anyway, even Alien and Blade Runner got torn to pieces in reviews when they were first released..
Actually the things you list are pretty important reasons for disliking a film. Script is VERY important. And the other films you mention are more popcorn nonsense that are ruining Hollywood. So, I don't have a problem with that.
If I was being generous I could say this is a bad film with some redeeming features.
Among the redeeming features;
Fassbender's performance as the android with an oedipus complex. The intentional amiguity of his motives throught the film is one of the few intriguing things.
Even then, during his introduction we are immedeatly shown more ham-fisted, spoon-fed film-making, by having him very unsubtly watching Peter O'Toole's famous scene in Lawrence of Arabia and then basing his demenour off him. Thanks for spelling that out Ridley. Dont want the audicence having to fire up any unecessary brain cells. Maybe not all of the Twilight fanshave seen Lauwrence of Arabia, so we will just run a 10 minute clip to update generation clueless.
The mistakes of this underhelming film are not a few forgivable mistakes. They are coming out rapid-fire like a machine gun of stupidity.
Badly developed caracters. Weak plot. Cliched script. Pseudo-science masquerading as profundity. Absolute suspension of disbelief as the disjointed plot unravels itself. Pointless plot twists.
I'm really curious just how many boxes a bad film has to tick off for you to think of it as bad?
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The vast majority of reviews I've read were ranging from Fair to Really Bad.
But I also heard that + Show Spoiler +Charlize Theron has sex in the movie?
Does this even things out?
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Saw this last night, and found it absoultely mediocre. The first half part of the movie felt like the standard suspense horror introduction, but after that, it just flatlined. In fact, I really felt that it dragged on far too long, and should have ended about half an hour earlier. After having seen it, I was left with a feeling that what could have been a good movie, was butchered by panoramic 3d-shots, action-film sequences and a "FUCK YEA AMERICUH HEROIC SACRIFICE"-mentality rather than the "fuck shit we're all going to die alone and terrified"-state of mind that's been the trademark of the Alien films.
Meh.
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On June 03 2012 21:38 teapot wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2012 21:20 Quotidian wrote:On June 03 2012 20:22 teapot wrote:OK. Apparently someone on IMDB had acces to Weyland's computer and found this little .doc lying around. I wonder what it could all mean? + Show Spoiler +
MY PLAN FOR IMMORTALITY - BY WEYLAND
====================================
- Spend $trillion on a trip to an unknown moon, on a hunch from a naive hippy couple who believe things because they choose to
- Recruit a bunch of absolutely stupid tools from various disciplines who think and act irrationally
- Get some crew members with adolescent angst on board (incl. an android and my own daughter)
- Pretend to be dead to the crew, but reveal myself later (problem - won't they think I'm a dousche? Cross that bridge when I get to it)
- Let the "scientists" fumble about a bit first and see what they rustle up
- Even if lots of people die, become infected and raped by aliens, don't worry, keep believing that "they created human life, so they must be able to save us too" (Wait - if that's the case, what about asking a few milfs to save my life? They've created human life too... does what I said even make any sense? Have I taken my pills? Ah whatever, the $1t trip to a moon will be fun)
- Anyway - get to the Alien chamber whatever the risk, and ask an android to try and ask an alien creature for some "answers" so that I might cure the aging problem somehow.
Contains spoilers, obviously. it has a shitty script with contrived plot points. That goes for 99% of big, Hollywood action movies. Even Dark Knight had a shitty script, but it was saved by a few important elements - like Ledger's Joker. Just because some of the plot devices in Prometheus are silly doesn't mean the movie has no redeeming qualities or that it isn't enjoyable. But ok, we get it.. you don't like the movie. You're just repeating yourself at this point. On June 03 2012 20:53 teapot wrote:
Good review. Uninsightful and narrowminded review.. and anyway, even Alien and Blade Runner got torn to pieces in reviews when they were first released.. I'm really curious just how many boxes a bad film has to tick off for you to think of it as bad?
you see, I don't approach a movie with a checklist of pluses and minuses. Thankfully I'm not that autistic. It's more an issue of "does this silly, underdeveloped character that is obviously there just to die ruin the movie for me as a whole?" In the case of Prometheus - no, it didn't. The setting, visual direction and performances of the key characters were enough to make it a solid 7.5/10 for me, and it left me wanting more. I'll probably even see it again if I can work it into a date or something
Also, the people who hold the Alien franchise to a higher standard seem to be forgetting that the first movie was basically Texas Chainsaw Massacre in space. Why are you expecting something that doesn't engage in stereotypes?
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The thing is it's useless explaining someone why a movie they think is good is actually bad. It's like having to explain why a joke is funny. When you've watched thousands of movies and read hundreds of books your expecations get higher and you can easily see if the script works or if the characters are good etc. Pretty visuals don't make a movie good for me it's the same for games nowadays... pretty graphics but shitty gameplay.
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I love it. And I personally like the way movies are being prequeled nowadays.
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On June 03 2012 22:36 Daray wrote:
The thing is it's useless explaining someone why a movie they think is good is actually bad. It's like having to explain why a joke is funny. When you've watched thousands of movies and read hundreds of books your expecations get higher and you can easily see if the script works or if the characters are good etc. Pretty visuals don't make a movie good for me it's the same for games nowadays... pretty graphics but shitty gameplay.
I feel like refusing to have a conversation on principle and wording it this way seems a little bit elitist. A person who enjoyed a movie should be able to explain why, and same with a person who didn't. They may not see eye-to-eye, but they can surely attempt to talk about it and reach some agreements.
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On June 03 2012 22:36 Daray wrote:
The thing is it's useless explaining someone why a movie they think is good is actually bad. It's like having to explain why a joke is funny. When you've watched thousands of movies and read hundreds of books your expecations get higher and you can easily see if the script works or if the characters are good etc. Pretty visuals don't make a movie good for me it's the same for games nowadays... pretty graphics but shitty gameplay.
It's actually pretty easy in this case.
Script = bad
The rest = good
If you like to let yourself dive in a film and can live with some plot holes then you'll like it. Otherwise you won't.
Enter all the intolerant reviewers who believe their opinion is "right" because they can point out the problems with the scritp (which exist, and everyone will notice...) and that their review has more value because they've "watched a lot of films".
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OK, I apologize for my comments that berate anyone for liking it. I am just severely dissapointed with this film.
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moktira
Ireland1548 Posts
On June 03 2012 21:20 Quotidian wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2012 20:22 teapot wrote:OK. Apparently someone on IMDB had acces to Weyland's computer and found this little .doc lying around. I wonder what it could all mean? + Show Spoiler +
MY PLAN FOR IMMORTALITY - BY WEYLAND
====================================
- Spend $trillion on a trip to an unknown moon, on a hunch from a naive hippy couple who believe things because they choose to
- Recruit a bunch of absolutely stupid tools from various disciplines who think and act irrationally
- Get some crew members with adolescent angst on board (incl. an android and my own daughter)
- Pretend to be dead to the crew, but reveal myself later (problem - won't they think I'm a dousche? Cross that bridge when I get to it)
- Let the "scientists" fumble about a bit first and see what they rustle up
- Even if lots of people die, become infected and raped by aliens, don't worry, keep believing that "they created human life, so they must be able to save us too" (Wait - if that's the case, what about asking a few milfs to save my life? They've created human life too... does what I said even make any sense? Have I taken my pills? Ah whatever, the $1t trip to a moon will be fun)
- Anyway - get to the Alien chamber whatever the risk, and ask an android to try and ask an alien creature for some "answers" so that I might cure the aging problem somehow.
Contains spoilers, obviously. it has a shitty script with contrived plot points. That goes for 99% of big, Hollywood action movies. Even Dark Knight had a shitty script, but it was saved by a few important elements - like Ledger's Joker. Just because some of the plot devices in Prometheus are silly doesn't mean the movie has no redeeming qualities or that it isn't enjoyable. But ok, we get it.. you don't like the movie. You're just repeating yourself at this point. Uninsightful and narrowminded review.. and anyway, even Alien and Blade Runner got torn to pieces by narrowminded reviewers when they were first released..
I'm curious as to why you think it's a narrow minded review? Just because I didn't enjoy something you did doesn't make it narrow minded. I don't think people with differing opinions to me are narrow minded, especially when it comes to enjoyment of a film or story.
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On June 04 2012 01:50 moktira wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2012 21:20 Quotidian wrote:On June 03 2012 20:22 teapot wrote:OK. Apparently someone on IMDB had acces to Weyland's computer and found this little .doc lying around. I wonder what it could all mean? + Show Spoiler +
MY PLAN FOR IMMORTALITY - BY WEYLAND
====================================
- Spend $trillion on a trip to an unknown moon, on a hunch from a naive hippy couple who believe things because they choose to
- Recruit a bunch of absolutely stupid tools from various disciplines who think and act irrationally
- Get some crew members with adolescent angst on board (incl. an android and my own daughter)
- Pretend to be dead to the crew, but reveal myself later (problem - won't they think I'm a dousche? Cross that bridge when I get to it)
- Let the "scientists" fumble about a bit first and see what they rustle up
- Even if lots of people die, become infected and raped by aliens, don't worry, keep believing that "they created human life, so they must be able to save us too" (Wait - if that's the case, what about asking a few milfs to save my life? They've created human life too... does what I said even make any sense? Have I taken my pills? Ah whatever, the $1t trip to a moon will be fun)
- Anyway - get to the Alien chamber whatever the risk, and ask an android to try and ask an alien creature for some "answers" so that I might cure the aging problem somehow.
Contains spoilers, obviously. it has a shitty script with contrived plot points. That goes for 99% of big, Hollywood action movies. Even Dark Knight had a shitty script, but it was saved by a few important elements - like Ledger's Joker. Just because some of the plot devices in Prometheus are silly doesn't mean the movie has no redeeming qualities or that it isn't enjoyable. But ok, we get it.. you don't like the movie. You're just repeating yourself at this point. On June 03 2012 20:53 teapot wrote:
Good review. Uninsightful and narrowminded review.. and anyway, even Alien and Blade Runner got torn to pieces by narrowminded reviewers when they were first released.. I'm curious as to why you think it's a narrow minded review? Just because I didn't enjoy something you did doesn't make it narrow minded. I don't think people with differing opinions to me are narrow minded, especially when it comes to enjoyment of a film or story.
I just skimmed it because it's way too tl;dr, but it's a text that's stuck in a negative mode with no proficient attempts at analysis what so ever. It's just listing stuff you think are bad and festering in negativity. The funny thing is, you're lambasting Prometheus for having shallow characters, which is exactly the same criticism lobbed against Alien in its time:
"There is very little involvement with the characters themselves ... A generally good cast in cardboard roles."
Variety.
"Indeed, the film's characters are so lifeless that one begins to wonder whether they might not be parodies of space-age bureaucrats. If so, the satire is far too flat to be its own reward."
The New York Times
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=43799.0
You're leaving out a lot of context there. Scott always says things that - he said it about Kingdom of Heaven too. He was more concerned with telling a good story in the form of a film than historical accuracy, and here he is less interested in how DNA actually works in the specific setting where an alien is sacrificing himself to seed a planet with his DNA. Scott is obviously a person with little patience for nitpickers, but saying that Prometheus requires auto-lobotomization is just silly. In fact, the imagery and set design of the movie was enough to engage my brain and imagination.
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I started writting a review and why this is 3 hours of my life i will never get back , but mid 20 lines i realized this was movie was just not worthed .. I am really trying to find something good about it but.. the plut was undeveloped and quickly jumped logical factors. Like Charliez theron's character bossing around at the start and mid movie she doesnt even appear for 30 min :D The effects wrent anything special. They even tried to put some "deepnes" but it was so badly done that.. just waste of time imho.
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moktira
Ireland1548 Posts
On June 04 2012 02:00 Quotidian wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2012 01:50 moktira wrote:On June 03 2012 21:20 Quotidian wrote:On June 03 2012 20:22 teapot wrote:OK. Apparently someone on IMDB had acces to Weyland's computer and found this little .doc lying around. I wonder what it could all mean? + Show Spoiler +
MY PLAN FOR IMMORTALITY - BY WEYLAND
====================================
- Spend $trillion on a trip to an unknown moon, on a hunch from a naive hippy couple who believe things because they choose to
- Recruit a bunch of absolutely stupid tools from various disciplines who think and act irrationally
- Get some crew members with adolescent angst on board (incl. an android and my own daughter)
- Pretend to be dead to the crew, but reveal myself later (problem - won't they think I'm a dousche? Cross that bridge when I get to it)
- Let the "scientists" fumble about a bit first and see what they rustle up
- Even if lots of people die, become infected and raped by aliens, don't worry, keep believing that "they created human life, so they must be able to save us too" (Wait - if that's the case, what about asking a few milfs to save my life? They've created human life too... does what I said even make any sense? Have I taken my pills? Ah whatever, the $1t trip to a moon will be fun)
- Anyway - get to the Alien chamber whatever the risk, and ask an android to try and ask an alien creature for some "answers" so that I might cure the aging problem somehow.
Contains spoilers, obviously. it has a shitty script with contrived plot points. That goes for 99% of big, Hollywood action movies. Even Dark Knight had a shitty script, but it was saved by a few important elements - like Ledger's Joker. Just because some of the plot devices in Prometheus are silly doesn't mean the movie has no redeeming qualities or that it isn't enjoyable. But ok, we get it.. you don't like the movie. You're just repeating yourself at this point. On June 03 2012 20:53 teapot wrote:
Good review. Uninsightful and narrowminded review.. and anyway, even Alien and Blade Runner got torn to pieces by narrowminded reviewers when they were first released.. I'm curious as to why you think it's a narrow minded review? Just because I didn't enjoy something you did doesn't make it narrow minded. I don't think people with differing opinions to me are narrow minded, especially when it comes to enjoyment of a film or story. I just skimmed it because it's way too tl;dr, but it's a text that's stuck in a negative mode with no proficient attempts at analysis what so ever. It's just listing stuff you think are bad and festering in negativity. The funny thing is, you're lambasting Prometheus for having shallow characters, which is exactly the same criticism lobbed against Alien in its time: "There is very little involvement with the characters themselves ... A generally good cast in cardboard roles." Variety. "Indeed, the film's characters are so lifeless that one begins to wonder whether they might not be parodies of space-age bureaucrats. If so, the satire is far too flat to be its own reward." The New York Times http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=43799.0
But that's a thread called "Alien: The Bad Reviews", it still got some great reviews at the time.
My review certainly was negative but I do think I explained why, I don't think it's fair to say there's no analysis whatsoever, especially when you didn't read it. I didn't go in to the film looking for holes or to be negative, I wouldn't have gone otherwise, these were things that struck me as I saw it. And whether some people thought the characters were shallow in Alien or not, I thought they were far more shallow in Prometheus, personally I didn't warm to any of them or care about any of them, whereas when I first saw Alien I did, I also recognised each character in Alien after a time, I never did in Prometheus.
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