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No, this is not a joke/trolling thread. We don't need more filler posts asking if it is.

Remember to spoiler season 6 content, and clearly label your spoilers.
LittleJoeRambler
Profile Joined November 2011
110 Posts
April 04 2012 19:35 GMT
#10741
I think Earth pony OCs are awesome, but then I'm partial to Earth ponies.
Ickyness is often a side-effect of hard work. But y'all need to get over it.
Camail
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1030 Posts
April 04 2012 19:42 GMT
#10742
[14:27] <+Camail> I GOT 99 PROBLEMS BUT A LINK AINT ONE
[14:27] <+Camail> http://lissy-strata.deviantart.com/art/Romanadvoratrelundar-294013398
[14:28] <+Camail> http://clk300.deviantart.com/art/Serenity-294014561
[14:28] <+Camail> http://dorumon4x.deviantart.com/art/UGUUU-294017498
[14:28] <+Camail> http://mrstufflebeam.deviantart.com/art/Bubble-The-Fun-294017738
[14:28] <+Camail> http://darkplanetjohnson132.deviantart.com/art/MLP-FiM-Human-Ponies-Twilight-Sparkle-294083148
[14:28] <+Camail> http://electrixocket.deviantart.com/art/AJ-Family-Sketch-294051974
[14:28] <+Camail> http://rofldoctor.deviantart.com/art/Sweet-Melody-294049042
[14:28] <+Camail> http://jack-a-lynn.deviantart.com/art/Monk-and-Natalie-Pony-294041803
[14:28] <+Camail> http://sbshouseofpancakes.deviantart.com/art/Ask-Featherweight-2-294022416
[14:28] <+Camail> http://deathpwny.deviantart.com/art/Detective-Pie-294052707
[14:28] <+Camail> http://secret-pony.deviantart.com/art/Derpy-heart-Muffins-294053553
[14:28] <+Camail> http://ninjapony.deviantart.com/art/Flutter-Bubble-294054625
[14:28] <+Camail> http://hinoraito.deviantart.com/art/Free-sketch-for-Kawaii-Kochou-294092712
[14:28] <+Camail> http://hinoraito.deviantart.com/art/Commission-for-marikaefer-294106303
[14:28] <+Camail> http://hinoraito.deviantart.com/art/Troll-Commission-for-marikaefer-294104607
[14:28] <+Camail> http://sophiecabra.deviantart.com/art/Rainbow-Storm-294104946
[14:28] <+Camail> http://stupidlittlecreature.deviantart.com/art/rest-294073901
[14:28] <+Camail> http://toxic-mario.deviantart.com/art/Soda-Pressing-294100213
[14:28] <+Camail> http://bamboodog.deviantart.com/art/Light-And-Sweet-294018129
[14:28] <+Camail> http://soapie-solar.deviantart.com/art/Dashing-Cure-294082562
[14:28] <+Camail> http://soapie-solar.deviantart.com/art/Misunderstanding-294065524
[14:28] <+Camail> http://gunslingerpen.deviantart.com/art/The-great-and-powerful-Trixie-294038356
[14:29] <+Camail> http://ende26.deviantart.com/art/Snoozy-Soarin-294050541
[14:29] <+Camail> http://flutterwonder.deviantart.com/art/EXTERMINATE-294100976
[14:29] <+Camail> http://llamaswithkatanas.deviantart.com/art/Twilight-Sparkle-Says-it-s-Time-to-Read-and-Sleep-294022735
[14:29] <+Camail> http://llamaswithkatanas.deviantart.com/art/Lil-Ol-Fluffershy-294096330
[14:29] <+Camail> http://haute-claire.deviantart.com/art/Rainbow-Feather-and-Gilda-294093184
[14:29] <+Camail> http://haute-claire.deviantart.com/art/Megamare-294105426
[14:29] <+Camail> http://egophiliac.deviantart.com/art/a-little-too-cooled-off-294095944
[14:29] <+Camail> http://mysticalpha.deviantart.com/art/Applejack-Tree-291105141
[14:29] <+Camail> http://dotoriii.deviantart.com/art/Lunaaa-294074762
[14:29] <+Camail> http://tsitra360.deviantart.com/art/Peak-294025108
[14:29] <+Camail> boop
[14:30] <+Camail> http://i.imgur.com/IPxgv.png
http://i.imgur.com/IPxgv.png
Gary Oak
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada2381 Posts
April 04 2012 22:41 GMT
#10743
On April 04 2012 19:51 Saurabhinator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2012 15:55 Gary Oak wrote:
I completely agree with you, Wicket. Most OCs are straight up horrible. The one I'm working on has had so many hours put into him to avoid these pitfalls. I'm going with a very basic colour scheme, ensuring that he has many character flaws, etc.

On April 04 2012 14:15 Combatflaps wrote:
i wonder what percentage of people's personal oc ponies are NOT unicorns, 25-30% max

Well, the one OC I've made is a unicorn, but he's for my fic and there are actual good reasons for it that aren't simply "MUST MAKE COOL WIZARD CHARACTER".


U hatin cool wizard characters?
my OCs dont have personalities. \('u ' )/

You know about my OC. He's definitely a wizard, but it's not for the sole reason of "let's make a cool wizard" that's been done by 70%+ of the fandom.

On April 05 2012 01:04 FnF wrote:
Much of the toxicity of OCs comes from the presence of the author. A great story can maintain the illusion that you're just following events as they happen. If the disproportionate influence of an OC breaks that illusion, it can easily make people feel like the author has something in it, and nothing kills one's interest like a salesman hanging over their shoulder. Suddenly they're no longer experiencing a work, but feeling pushed (even inadvertently) by a random stranger on the Internet into liking what they like.

The signal-to-noise ratio throughout the age of one-click publishing means people are by default wary of such potentially shady "goods", and an extraordinary OC (say, an alicorn), is like a Rolex. The more supposedly impressive, the less likely the people capable of crafting legitimate ones are shoving them in your face in street corners.

It's that plus just plain design. Colour schemes, "extra" mane/coat colours, accessories, etc, etc. Basically, anything that makes the OC look super unique (something you likely wouldn't see in the show) makes its design horrible.

On April 05 2012 01:04 FnF wrote:
Be careful with this. "Mary Sue" isn't a set of attributes. If a character still implausibly warps the flow and focus of the work, stuffing them with countermeasures for no reason but in an attempt to cover this up can make things worse. Even a fake Rolex is more convincing than one being marketed with a "sirtifikat of autentisiti".

I agree. I'm always up for discussion on what I do, but due to spoilers I can't really go into it on the forums. I'm making the flaws make sense, and thanks to extreme caution and multiple intellligent prereaders, I'm trying to avoid what you just described.

On April 05 2012 02:29 Raelcun wrote:
my OC is a unicorn but that's because he's an astronomer struggling with a way to try and make a non unicorn friendly telescope. Large and powerful telescopes are tough for Earth Ponies and Pegasi to use to because of all of the adjustments you have to make at the same time. So he's trying to compact telescope technology into a simpler more usable form, or create a way for other ponies to be able to see the stars in the same way that he does.

He's ass at magic besides physical manipulation, and his non telekinesis spell is just simple altering of objects, being able to change their form slightly that he uses in creating lenses and mirrors for telescopes.

Sounds to me like an example of a non-suck OC. I like to think of unicorns as magical beings, but they aren't powerful wizards unless they're like Twilight and magic is their talent. Rarity doesn't have very good magic aside from what she uses for her dress making/gem finding, which is a pattern your OC seems to follow. Too bad you write half of a fic and then start another one so you have roughly a quadrillion half-finished fics. =(
[14:15] <+Skrammen> I like clicking Gary's links, kinda. Its like playing with lava.
motbob
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States12546 Posts
April 04 2012 22:48 GMT
#10744
Gary achieved a unique feat with the first draft of his OC. It was both nondescript, personality-wise, AND a walking cliche. A stunning accomplishment.
ModeratorGood content always wins.
Gary Oak
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada2381 Posts
April 04 2012 22:56 GMT
#10745
Something that I'm tirelessly working on correcting. I'd say I'm doing a decent job thus far.
[14:15] <+Skrammen> I like clicking Gary's links, kinda. Its like playing with lava.
Saurabhinator
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Australia347 Posts
April 05 2012 00:17 GMT
#10746
On the topic of OCs I don't think we can ever say characters are ever good or bad without context. They dont really have a value without a story to be part of. I mean Dr.Manhatten from Watchmen I believed symbolised what I hated in superhero characters; he basically was god, but it didn't make him a bad character. Watchmen was a wonderful story. What makes the characters good is how the story handles them.

In terms of visual design I don't know if much are that good (I don't look at much), and how I judge what's good and what's bad are probably really personal. But I do believe there are some guidelines which should be somewhat universal. Design should be balanced not Jarring.
#1 Rarity Fanboi. CA:http://conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?224569-Saura-Sketchbook/page7
Camail
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1030 Posts
April 05 2012 00:50 GMT
#10747
On April 05 2012 07:41 Gary Oak wrote:
It's that plus just plain design. Colour schemes, "extra" mane/coat colours, accessories, etc, etc. Basically, anything that makes the OC look super unique (something you likely wouldn't see in the show) makes its design horrible.


Anything that makes your OC look super unique makes it a bad OC...hmmm, I disagree. You qualify that with the phrase "something you likely wouldn't see in the show" so it might just be a wording problem. Because having unique traits, even LITERALLY one-of-a-kind traits, is used by so many writers. It is an exciting feature. When you get down to it, having an aspect of a character being considered unique is what helps it become distinguished in the story. This also goes for aesthetics, I could come up with cases for both if I sat here awhile but I'm sure everyone reading this could too.

Now, maybe you meant that it can't be something that we have not seen explicitly in canon, or maybe even things we have been told are impossible in canon (I don't think we have been told anything like that). This is where you have to start defining the term 'fanfic'. Exactly how close to the implicit boundaries do you have to stay? You can make a convincing narrative for just about anything, where on the spectrum to we say it is no longer relevant to the show? We have one extreme (the show itself) and the other (let's go with Fiddler on the Roof), do we want to draw the line at the implicit boundaries being set up. An implicit boundary in my opinion is just an assumption that we take from the world, like that they have no communication with aliens or that humans do not exist, things we simply take as true because their counter parts seem irrelevant to the story.

Maybe its somewhere in there, maybe its a case by case basis. Taking the aliens example (which is different from trans-dimensionality in some fairly important ways),surely the aliens will be different, we aren't changing the implicit boundary of probability in this case. Now we have another completely different race, well they had to get here somehow, this would inevitably lead to an explanation if it was to truly fit into the story. Then we start to realize that the genre kind of changes, we have to take space into account and vastly different cultural subtleties . It begins to switch genres, and maybe this particular story starts focusing on the alien culture much more than the ponies. In fact, we don't even need to see or interact with any active alien character to make it centered around the alien culture. Some sort of sociological study through the mind of the narrator, who has a very important reason to do it. Then all of a sudden we have entered a land that most would not call fan-fics. Sure, there are ponies, but the ponies aren't central. Even with ponies being the only characters you could easily make them secondary tools. I don't find it too hard to imagine someone developing characters you never see with characters you are always presented with, until the mouthpiece slowly blends into the background of this dynamic cultural story.

My point with that example is that it is VERY fuzzy when we try and use the term "something you likely wouldn't see in the show" because fiction offers almost infinitely complex details that really need to be addressed on a case by case basis. There are points in the above example that the story could have turned to making the ponies relevant, but that's the point. It could have or it couldn't have, there is no right answer for it being a story, but it seems there is one for it being a fan-fic. We just really don't have the necessary mental tools to map out what is and is not a fan-fic before we read it.

I already made my second point somewhere else, but basically I think you have to judge an OC on aesthetics and character as separate criteria.

Aaaand that's about it. It may seem like this is too much to write about a single sentence, but I think it is really important to understand how vague some of our standards are. I was gonna make a few examples of OCs that could blur the lines as well but I have already put too much time into this >_>.
http://i.imgur.com/IPxgv.png
Whitewing
Profile Joined October 2010
United States7483 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-05 02:22:23
April 05 2012 02:04 GMT
#10748
On April 05 2012 09:50 Camail wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2012 07:41 Gary Oak wrote:
It's that plus just plain design. Colour schemes, "extra" mane/coat colours, accessories, etc, etc. Basically, anything that makes the OC look super unique (something you likely wouldn't see in the show) makes its design horrible.


Anything that makes your OC look super unique makes it a bad OC...hmmm, I disagree. You qualify that with the phrase "something you likely wouldn't see in the show" so it might just be a wording problem. Because having unique traits, even LITERALLY one-of-a-kind traits, is used by so many writers. It is an exciting feature. When you get down to it, having an aspect of a character being considered unique is what helps it become distinguished in the story. This also goes for aesthetics, I could come up with cases for both if I sat here awhile but I'm sure everyone reading this could too.

Now, maybe you meant that it can't be something that we have not seen explicitly in canon, or maybe even things we have been told are impossible in canon (I don't think we have been told anything like that). This is where you have to start defining the term 'fanfic'. Exactly how close to the implicit boundaries do you have to stay? You can make a convincing narrative for just about anything, where on the spectrum to we say it is no longer relevant to the show? We have one extreme (the show itself) and the other (let's go with Fiddler on the Roof), do we want to draw the line at the implicit boundaries being set up. An implicit boundary in my opinion is just an assumption that we take from the world, like that they have no communication with aliens or that humans do not exist, things we simply take as true because their counter parts seem irrelevant to the story.

Maybe its somewhere in there, maybe its a case by case basis. Taking the aliens example (which is different from trans-dimensionality in some fairly important ways),surely the aliens will be different, we aren't changing the implicit boundary of probability in this case. Now we have another completely different race, well they had to get here somehow, this would inevitably lead to an explanation if it was to truly fit into the story. Then we start to realize that the genre kind of changes, we have to take space into account and vastly different cultural subtleties . It begins to switch genres, and maybe this particular story starts focusing on the alien culture much more than the ponies. In fact, we don't even need to see or interact with any active alien character to make it centered around the alien culture. Some sort of sociological study through the mind of the narrator, who has a very important reason to do it. Then all of a sudden we have entered a land that most would not call fan-fics. Sure, there are ponies, but the ponies aren't central. Even with ponies being the only characters you could easily make them secondary tools. I don't find it too hard to imagine someone developing characters you never see with characters you are always presented with, until the mouthpiece slowly blends into the background of this dynamic cultural story.

My point with that example is that it is VERY fuzzy when we try and use the term "something you likely wouldn't see in the show" because fiction offers almost infinitely complex details that really need to be addressed on a case by case basis. There are points in the above example that the story could have turned to making the ponies relevant, but that's the point. It could have or it couldn't have, there is no right answer for it being a story, but it seems there is one for it being a fan-fic. We just really don't have the necessary mental tools to map out what is and is not a fan-fic before we read it.

I already made my second point somewhere else, but basically I think you have to judge an OC on aesthetics and character as separate criteria.

Aaaand that's about it. It may seem like this is too much to write about a single sentence, but I think it is really important to understand how vague some of our standards are. I was gonna make a few examples of OCs that could blur the lines as well but I have already put too much time into this >_>.


I agree with camail. We read stories entirely because the characters aren't exactly like everyone else, they're unique people. The other important thing to realize here is that 'in the show' is very vague: the developers literally change what could plausibly be shown in the show every single episode.

Further, there are some very unique characters in the show that are extremely different from other characters: and that's not a bad thing. Stories get dull very quickly when the characters aren't unique and interesting. There's not a single pony on that show that looks anything like Luna other than Luna, for example. The important thing is that the characters have an interesting story, and that their personality and actions mesh well with the story that is being developed. Mary Sue characters can be okay in small doses, but should be hardly ever present if at all. The most important thing of all when writing a story is character development, and development can only ever occur if a flaw was present in the first place.

More importantly, a good story is dependent on conflict. Even a Mary Sue character can be interesting as long as the conflict is good: that's why Superman is such a popular character, despite the fact that he's nearly perfect in every way.
Strategy"You know I fucking hate the way you play, right?" ~SC2John
Raelcun
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States3747 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-05 05:21:33
April 05 2012 05:20 GMT
#10749
On April 05 2012 07:41 Gary Oak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2012 02:29 Raelcun wrote:
my OC is a unicorn but that's because he's an astronomer struggling with a way to try and make a non unicorn friendly telescope. Large and powerful telescopes are tough for Earth Ponies and Pegasi to use to because of all of the adjustments you have to make at the same time. So he's trying to compact telescope technology into a simpler more usable form, or create a way for other ponies to be able to see the stars in the same way that he does.

He's ass at magic besides physical manipulation, and his non telekinesis spell is just simple altering of objects, being able to change their form slightly that he uses in creating lenses and mirrors for telescopes.

Sounds to me like an example of a non-suck OC. I like to think of unicorns as magical beings, but they aren't powerful wizards unless they're like Twilight and magic is their talent. Rarity doesn't have very good magic aside from what she uses for her dress making/gem finding, which is a pattern your OC seems to follow. Too bad you write half of a fic and then start another one so you have roughly a quadrillion half-finished fics. =(


I have 3 unfinished fics right now, the first one is on hold cuz I need to scrap it and start over pretty much. The second is almost done but I'm getting yelled at to send it to EQD so I'm trying to edit it up a bit before I do so and finish it. And the third I'm still working on while I slave over the previous two. I do plan on finishing all three of them, and the fourth yeah probably never going anywhere so I don't really count it; but that one is only one chapter in when I realized it's probably not making much progress.

I guess you can add in the fifth but that's a oneshot so it doesn't count, and that Zecora fic I need to edit up to final draft level as well from the competition. Basically most of my shit is stuck in editing.
Brutaxilos
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2630 Posts
April 05 2012 06:20 GMT
#10750
Dunno if this was posted anywhere before, but best anti-depressants ever.
Jangbi favorite player. Forever~ CJ herO the King of IEM. BOMBERRRRRRRR. Sexy Boy Rogue. soO #1! Oliveira China Represent!
nohbrows
Profile Joined February 2011
United States653 Posts
April 05 2012 06:32 GMT
#10751
On April 05 2012 15:20 Brutaxilos wrote:
Dunno if this was posted anywhere before, but best anti-depressants ever.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmLwFWc5gMU&list=LLYkLgtEIfyx2RFM_cTHRW5Q&feature=mh_lolz


It's hard to call it an anti-depressant when you know the context to that video.
Seizon Senryaku!
Chaosvuistje
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands2581 Posts
April 05 2012 06:38 GMT
#10752
On April 05 2012 15:32 nohbrows wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2012 15:20 Brutaxilos wrote:
Dunno if this was posted anywhere before, but best anti-depressants ever.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmLwFWc5gMU&list=LLYkLgtEIfyx2RFM_cTHRW5Q&feature=mh_lolz


It's hard to call it an anti-depressant when you know the context to that video.


Bwahahaha. This comment was the best anti-depressant I had all day.

But yeah, the context is a little bit more gruesome than just RD and PP dancing.
[Agony]x90
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States853 Posts
April 05 2012 06:44 GMT
#10753
Hint: Guess where RBD's wings are.
JF dodger since 2009
Gary Oak
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada2381 Posts
April 05 2012 07:41 GMT
#10754
Go read this. Now.

http://bronycurious.deviantart.com/art/Sisterhooves-Slighted-A-FiM-Picture-Book-293719504?q=gallery:bronycurious&qo=1
[14:15] <+Skrammen> I like clicking Gary's links, kinda. Its like playing with lava.
Brutaxilos
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2630 Posts
April 05 2012 07:44 GMT
#10755
Shut up. I know.
Jangbi favorite player. Forever~ CJ herO the King of IEM. BOMBERRRRRRRR. Sexy Boy Rogue. soO #1! Oliveira China Represent!
Wikt
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Poland226 Posts
April 05 2012 09:28 GMT
#10756
On April 05 2012 16:41 Gary Oak wrote:
Go read this. Now.

http://bronycurious.deviantart.com/art/Sisterhooves-Slighted-A-FiM-Picture-Book-293719504?q=gallery:bronycurious&qo=1


That was considerably adorable :D And decently drawn as well.
Rest your copper eyes on heavens low. Let the radio waves carry you home.
Gary Oak
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada2381 Posts
April 05 2012 09:37 GMT
#10757
It actually brought tears to my eyes.
[14:15] <+Skrammen> I like clicking Gary's links, kinda. Its like playing with lava.
Bash
Profile Joined August 2007
Finland1533 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-05 09:46:12
April 05 2012 09:45 GMT
#10758
I guess this is worth mentioning here too, Gabe Newell (of Valve) is a brony.

I can't sing and I can't dance, but still I know how to clap my hands.
Zoundsforsook
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Scotland636 Posts
April 05 2012 09:50 GMT
#10759
On April 05 2012 16:41 Gary Oak wrote:
Go read this. Now.

http://bronycurious.deviantart.com/art/Sisterhooves-Slighted-A-FiM-Picture-Book-293719504?q=gallery:bronycurious&qo=1

This is pretty neat indeed!

who doesn't enjoy some scootalove
Paint it bright and bold.
Gary Oak
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada2381 Posts
April 05 2012 10:23 GMT
#10760
So, I just realized something interesting about the season finale...

+ Show Spoiler +
Not only is Luna in one of the promo clips, but if you look closely at a certain screencap with Luna in it, you can see Vinyl Scratch on the very far right.
[14:15] <+Skrammen> I like clicking Gary's links, kinda. Its like playing with lava.
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