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OK just finished Toll the Hounds
+ Show Spoiler +I was happy to see that the story returned to Darujistan, as I still had a soft spot for the characters that were introduced in Gardens of the Moon. Unfortunately it ended the way I was afraid GotM would end, with some of those characters dying (right from the start it was obvious that Rake had too much swag to last). I do still appreciate it as a story development though. Apparently the last two books are a two parts of the final chapter. I'm really curious to see who is (if there is any) the big bad they are going to fight.
-The crippled god is obviously severely hinted but after he got his ass beat by mael and his plans ruined by karsa and withal I'm not convinced anymore hes the main problem here.
-Is Draconus coming back to be a major jerk? It seems that his time in Dragnipur made him see the error of his ways..
-The big undead dragon of revelations who gave a quick visit to Kallor with the sole purpose(?) of blowing his mind mentioned the Jaghut marched against death and won, so does that mean Hood is coming back for round two? Then again he is Jaghut too so it stands to reason that at the end of said war he took the position of god of death to make sure this didn't happen anymore or something. Besides that he said himself he's not the god of death anymore..
-There are agents in darujistan trying to revive "a Tyrant". Are they talking about Raest? He got his ass beat last time he showed his face so I don't see how that is cause for too much concern?
Questions I suppose will be answered in the last 2500 pages... Wish me luck..
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+ Show Spoiler [Reply] +You'll learn more about the big UD dragon.
The Jaghut lost their war - After all, Hood got recruited by the enemy.. There is more to this you'll learn.
I believe the Tyrant referred to is Draconus in that part, not sure.
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On October 21 2014 14:36 Duvon wrote:+ Show Spoiler [Reply] +You'll learn more about the big UD dragon.
The Jaghut lost their war - After all, Hood got recruited by the enemy.. There is more to this you'll learn.
I believe the Tyrant referred to is Draconus in that part, not sure.
The Tyrant in that last part and everything surrounding the attempt of his/her revival is handled in Orb Sceptre Throne bij ICE.
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Reader's log 02:00 AM 17 november 2014.
Finished Dust of Dreams the day before yesterday. Read the first few pages of The Crippled God. The end is nigh...
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Queen of Chains, so damn good.
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On the topic of Raest
+ Show Spoiler +He's got monsterous power. Basically, he fought off 5 dragons by himself when he wasn't even at his full power. He didn't have his Finnest aka he wasn't even in his final form
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This book series reminds me of the Elvenbane series by Andre Norton & Mercedes Lackey. Seems intriguing!
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So I'm halfway through deadhouse gates.
I really don't understand warrens. So they are alternate dimensions (Tiste andii are not of this world and came from the dark warren) which can be use for travelling and as a source if energy by mages. Right?
Are some warrens more powerful than others? Is a mage's power related to how many warren he has? Does the warren you have determine what kind of magic you're capable of?
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On November 23 2014 17:56 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
So I'm halfway through deadhouse gates.
I really don't understand warrens. So they are alternate dimensions (Tiste andii are not of this world and came from the dark warren) which can be use for travelling and as a source if energy by mages. Right?
Are some warrens more powerful than others? Is a mage's power related to how many warren he has? Does the warren you have determine what kind of magic you're capable of?
I think it's safe to say that all (or most of) your questions will be answered further on in the series. From your post I think you understand warrens pretty well so far.
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On November 23 2014 17:56 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
So I'm halfway through deadhouse gates.
I really don't understand warrens. So they are alternate dimensions (Tiste andii are not of this world and came from the dark warren) which can be use for travelling and as a source if energy by mages. Right?
Are some warrens more powerful than others? Is a mage's power related to how many warren he has? Does the warren you have determine what kind of magic you're capable of?
I also think you understand warrens pretty well. It's just never completely spelled out what they truly are or how they function.
- The warrens determine what kind of magic you can do. If you can use Denul, you can heal. Telas lets you use fire, etc.
- Commanding more than one warren doesn't mean you are stronger per se. It basically only means that you have access to more warrens ;-) The likelyhood that such a character is in general more powerful than others is pretty high though.
- I would be afraid to put a word to what the warrens really are. In a way they are alternate dimensions. + Show Spoiler +Since the warrens are basically running through K'ruls (or are his veins... sth. like that) they are part of the Malazan world and not from some kind of other world.
- The question wether some warrens are more powerful than others leads you nowhere. One of the best concepts of the whole series is power. There are like thousands extremely powerful individuals in those books and he probably says about 50 of them that they could destroy the whole world if they wanted to or if they had the chance. It took me a while to understand that he just plays with those concepts and ideas and you should not take him literally. Draconus may be the most powerful individual of them all, but he has been trapped in his own sword for hundred thousand years.
So back to the warrens, the boring answer is, as always, that it is completely relative. If you need to heal your army to fight another day, throwing fireballs around is not gonna help you much. But maybe if you had thrown those fireballs in the first place, your army might not need healing now ;-)
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On November 23 2014 18:53 Malinor wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2014 17:56 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
So I'm halfway through deadhouse gates.
I really don't understand warrens. So they are alternate dimensions (Tiste andii are not of this world and came from the dark warren) which can be use for travelling and as a source if energy by mages. Right?
Are some warrens more powerful than others? Is a mage's power related to how many warren he has? Does the warren you have determine what kind of magic you're capable of? I also think you understand warrens pretty well. It's just never completely spelled out what they truly are or how they function. - The warrens determine what kind of magic you can do. If you can use Denul, you can heal. Telas lets you use fire, etc. - Commanding more than one warren doesn't mean you are stronger per se. It basically only means that you have access to more warrens ;-) The likelyhood that such a character is in general more powerful than others is pretty high though. - I would be afraid to put a word to what the warrens really are. In a way they are alternate dimensions. + Show Spoiler +Since the warrens are basically running through K'ruls (or are his veins... sth. like that) they are part of the Malazan world and not from some kind of other world. And they are, as you say, a source of energy which can be accessed only by certain individuals - The question wether some warrens are more powerful than others leads you nowhere. One of the best concepts of the whole series is power. There are like thousands extremely powerful individuals in those books and he probably says about 50 of them that they could destroy the whole world if they wanted to or if they had the chance. It took me a while to understand that he just plays with those concepts and ideas and you should not take him literally. Draconus may be the most powerful individual of them all, but he has been trapped in his own sword for hundred thousand years. So back to the warrens, the boring answer is, as always, that it is completely relative. If you need to heal your army to fight another day, throwing fireballs around is not gonna help you much. But maybe if you had thrown those fireballs in the first place, your army might not need healing now ;-)
Yeah, the bolded explains it well. It's all subjective and if you have any power in general it makes you want more power whether you are the most powerful or not. Different characters experience their power in different ways and with varying degrees of acceptance.
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Currently reading Midmight Tides, done with the first book.
Must say I have a real hard time with this book, the characters and story so far are not interesting me at all.
Hope this gets better, or I will take a long time reading this book.
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If you just finished book 1 and then skipped on to book 5 I can imagine you are having a less than easy time.
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I'm pretty sure he meant the books within the book.
Edit: I'm also on Midnight Tides, 2 chapters from the end. It was definitely hard getting into for me as well, and sticking with for that matter. Especially since the first 4 all tied-in with something you were familiar with. This one not so much, but you do get a ton of new information about what's going on in the over-arcing story. With how close I am to finishing it, it feels like there's so many things to wrap up! I'm excited for the ending, but as a whole thus far the book feels kinda 'meh' to me. Hopefully that changes with the end!
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On December 01 2014 15:58 B.I.G. wrote:
If you just finished book 1 and then skipped on to book 5 I can imagine you are having a less than easy time.
What Shivan said.
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Just think of it as the opening book of the series. It may be book 5 but it's dealing with a completely different side of the universe you haven't seen until now. At the start it's a bit slow but it really picks up delivering some of the most interesting characters and moments later on. Trull and Tehol are some of my favourite characters in the series.
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Almost 10 months ago I posted this:
On March 09 2014 08:33 B.I.G. wrote:
Thanks for the quick replies guys. Even though purely based on description it doesn't really sound like a perfect fit for me I'm still gonna give it a go because getting into a series that already has 1000s of pages written is so so sweet and the fact that apparently it's good enough to merit it's own 24 page thread.
Now I just finished The Crippled God and holy shit what a ride it has been. I never thought I would be able to tackle such a monstrous series, especially considering that at times it can be very difficult to read (especially for a non native english speaker). However I pulled through and I'm happy I did. I see it as an achievement. I read some review on these books and it said something like "Reading the Malazan Book of the Fallen series might very well be the biggest literary challenge you will ever undertake". I can say that in my case it's definitely true. Kudos to mr. Erikson for writing a story of over 10.000 pages that still leaves you yearning for more and still leaves questions open (although not in a nagging way):
like what ever happened to Topper, Kruppe, Rallick Nom, Torvald Nom, Laseen, Korbolo Dom, Kallor, etc etc the list goes on.
And then there are entire story lines that seem to be unfinished (or left open for new story I guess) like + Show Spoiler +Leoman story line, the girl (I forgot her name) that Heboric failed to protect and became some kind of priestess to the sick and crippled, Osric and his son that posed as a high mage for the apocalypse, Dassem Ultor's tale, Karsa's tale etc etc.
But I guess that it makes sense that so many of these story lines are left open. All those characters that kind of faded out had played out their role in this story but still have a place in this world, just waiting for their story to be told someday. I'm very happy to know that there are at least 8 more books in the malazan universe for me to read, but I think I'm gonna save those for later. Let the epicness of this story sink in first. Maybe some light reading to detox xD
Thanks guys for making this thread. I don't know why or how it caught my eye but somehow I felt drawn to it. Best choice ever. It completely made me rediscover my passion for reading that I thought I had lost so many years ago. GG TL
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well Kruppe obviously became ruler of everything, because he is just that awesome
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This series is quickly becoming my favorite of all time.
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I still think its a shame tehol and kruppe didnt meet. What a battle of the wits that would've been...
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