EPTAlso keep in mind that afterwards she just kinda chills on the wall for a bit thinking about life and then after that she tries to make a move on Jon but fails. How is that in any way a natural reaction to losing a child? She should be on the floor of the boat, crying in the fetal position. It should be Jon who gets out of bed to comfort her.
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Hyperbola
United States2547 Posts
Also keep in mind that afterwards she just kinda chills on the wall for a bit thinking about life and then after that she tries to make a move on Jon but fails. How is that in any way a natural reaction to losing a child? She should be on the floor of the boat, crying in the fetal position. It should be Jon who gets out of bed to comfort her. | ||
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andrewlt
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The_Red_Viper
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That is a good/great acting scene. Dany had none even close to that. Because Emilia Clarke cannot produce it. On August 22 2017 00:16 andrewlt wrote: Some of the criticisms in this thread are just utterly silly. It's the prime example of destructive rather than constructive criticism. Not everybody reacts with hysterical screaming upon seeing something bad. A blank stare is just as valid a response. It doesn't even matter if it is a valid response. A lot of things "could" happen one way or another. The point is that it would have been a prime position to actually create emotional tension, give Dany some new facet. We have seen the same look countless of times on her face. That's all she can do, she has no range. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 22 2017 00:11 The_Red_Viper wrote: Then pls link me a scene of her actually giving a really great performance. I really wanna know what you see in her acting because to me it is at best decent. It really showed especially in the last few seasons because there we had a lot of great performances of other characters like Tywin, Tyrion, Stannis and even Jaime had great ones. It's funny that you even disagree with Emilia being somewhat mediocre, good for you that there is no right or wrong here  Please accept that other people simply have different opinions than you and have zero desire to engage in further debate. I am not here to win internet arguments. If you are, do not bother. Seriously, discussing this show with you has grown more painful other time simply because you are set on beating the other side into submission. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
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You have the right to have your own opinion, but how can i take it seriously if you don't even bother to defend/explain it with anything beyond "that is my opinion". That goes back to your ultimate "everything is relative" pov though, as i said before "bad pussy" is the best dialogue written since shakespeare and if you disagree that's just your opinion man. What a great pov that is. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 22 2017 00:22 The_Red_Viper wrote: There is no discussion because you simply "don't engage" with any arguments/examples. You have the right to have your own opinion, but how can i take it seriously if you don't even bother to defend it with anything. That goes back to your ultimate "everything is relative" pov though, as i said before "bad pussy" is the best dialogue written since shakespeare and if you disagree that's just your opinion man. What a great pov that is. With the deep argument of “Its bad. Look at this video that is bad, therefore bad.” Its is hard to have much of a discussion. I could just post videos and say “No, this is good. See, its good,”. | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13990 Posts
On August 22 2017 00:22 The_Red_Viper wrote: There is no discussion because you simply "don't engage" with any arguments/examples. You have the right to have your own opinion, but how can i take it seriously if you don't even bother to defend/explain it with anything beyond "that is my opinion". That goes back to your ultimate "everything is relative" pov though, as i said before "bad pussy" is the best dialogue written since shakespeare and if you disagree that's just your opinion man. What a great pov that is. "Dick? I like it" "You need a bad pussy" | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13990 Posts
On August 22 2017 00:17 The_Red_Viper wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZ5oRxgphRc That is a good/great acting scene. Dany had none even close to that. Because Emilia Clarke cannot produce it. It doesn't even matter if it is a valid response. A lot of things "could" happen one way or another. The point is that it would have been a prime position to actually create emotional tension, give Dany some new facet. We have seen the same look countless of times on her face. That's all she can do, she has no range. Pretty unfair to compare to that scene. It's one of the best the show has. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
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So where is the Dany scene? Or Emilia Clarke, it doesn't even have to be GoT. You probably won't find anything because she isn't a good actress, she is decent at best. She has the same facial expressions all the time, she acts a certain way all the time. "There is no range" to her acting. If there actually is then show it to me, should be easy. A good actor can elevate a scene to another level, it was done countless times in GoT. Not once with Emilia though because she simply cannot produce it. You disagree with that, ok. Whatever, you disagree with everything to defend the show/people involved with it. Was her reaction ok? Yes. But it could have been special On August 22 2017 00:32 Cricketer12 wrote: Pretty unfair to compare to that scene. It's one of the best the show has. Well that is the point though, to make it easy to see the difference. There are countless other examples i could bring up immediately for Tyrion, Tywin, Oberyn, Stannis, Cersei, etc. All at least "good actors". But hey everything is relative so even this can be defended as "good acting" | ||
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Plansix
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Now on to the next topic. | ||
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
On August 22 2017 00:17 The_Red_Viper wrote: It doesn't even matter if it is a valid response. A lot of things "could" happen one way or another. The point is that it would have been a prime position to actually create emotional tension, give Dany some new facet. We have seen the same look countless of times on her face. That's all she can do, she has no range. That doesn't make any sense at all. People react to things based on their personality. A person who reacts with shock instead of hysterics would always act with shock instead of hysterics. Changing that up to show off an actress' range just breaks the character. I was reading up about a forced airplane landing a few years ago. An expert said that people generally behave one of three ways: 1. Some people go hysterical 2. Some people go in shock and just stare into space 3. Some people are still able to function You can't expect a character who constantly does 2 to suddenly do 1 on a later scene. If Emilia is to show that kind of emotion, it should be on a different show playing a different character. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
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Pls explain to me what the plan was for the expedition north. How did they intend to catch a wight. What would have happened if there wasn't a small group of wights + 1 ww travelling there? The show didn't really try to give us anything here, instead of using dialogue to do that they used it for some one liners between the avengers. (at least the jorah and jon one was good i guess) | ||
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Hyperbola
United States2547 Posts
On August 22 2017 00:30 Cricketer12 wrote: "Dick? I like it" "You need a bad pussy" I actually like the scene between Tormund and the Hound. I just wish they didn't rush it so much. There were like 5 scenes in a row between characters talking to eachother on their journey and it felt super artificial. Like characters would come up and try to one-up eachother in being the most clever or having the best zinger. "Dick? I like it." "I bet you do" Ohhhhhhh! Dissed! Then they would keep walking a bit until someone comes up with something better. "You were super brave for running through that breach on Pyke" "No, I was just the most drunk!" Woaaah! Epic! It would have been a lot better and more natural if they just had one extended scene where there might be a group conversation and then individual conversations would split off. Maybe they could have ended it on the Jon/Jorah scene? | ||
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Plansix
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The_Red_Viper
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On August 22 2017 00:44 andrewlt wrote: That doesn't make any sense at all. People react to things based on their personality. A person who reacts with shock instead of hysterics would always act with shock instead of hysterics. Changing that up to show off an actress' range just breaks the character. I was reading up about a forced airplane landing a few years ago. An expert said that people generally behave one of three ways: 1. Some people go hysterical 2. Some people go in shock and just stare into space 3. Some people are still able to function You can't expect a character who constantly does 2 to suddenly do 1 on a later scene. If Emilia is to show that kind of emotion, it should be on a different show playing a different character. Sure this is a good argument. The problem with it is 1) The show isn't really extremely consistent with their characters in the first place (Arya comes to mind this season as an example) 2) It's still a show which wants to create good, memorable scenes. Losing "her child" would certainly be enough to create a bigger reaction even if it wasn't 100% in character, i don't think anyone would notice it. You notice this stuff when it is extremely obvious/out of place. On August 22 2017 00:45 Hyperbola wrote: I actually like the scene between Tormund and the Hound. I just wish they didn't rush it so much. There were like 5 scenes in a row between characters talking to eachother on their journey and it felt super artificial. Like characters would come up and try to one-up eachother in being the most clever or having the best zinger. "Dick? I like it." "I bet you do" Ohhhhhhh! Dissed! Then they would keep walking a bit until someone comes up with something better. "You were super brave for running through that breach on Pyke" "No, I was just the most drunk!" Woaaah! Epic! It would have been a lot better and more natural if they just had one extended scene where there might be a group conversation and then individual conversations would split off. Maybe they could have ended it on the Jon/Jorah scene? Yep a group scene would have been better for sure. There could have been a more natural flow of conversation, they even could have discussed their plan and situation a bit. Like they didn't do that at all, the wight was simply gifted to them basically. | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13990 Posts
On August 22 2017 00:45 Hyperbola wrote: I actually like the scene between Tormund and the Hound. I just wish they didn't rush it so much. There were like 5 scenes in a row between characters talking to eachother on their journey and it felt super artificial. Like characters would come up and try to one-up eachother in being the most clever or having the best zinger. "Dick? I like it." "I bet you do" Ohhhhhhh! Dissed! Then they would keep walking a bit until someone comes up with something better. "You were super brave for running through that breach on Pyke" "No, I was just the most drunk!" Woaaah! Epic! It would have been a lot better and more natural if they just had one extended scene where there might be a group conversation and then individual conversations would split off. Maybe they could have ended it on the Jon/Jorah scene? Don't get me wrong, I liked the banter, but cmon. Also in regards to EC, it's actually staggering how many good actors there are by comparison. | ||
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Plansix
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Odoakar
Croatia1837 Posts
You could replace her performance from that moment when Dragon dies and put it in any other dramatic even in this show so far and it would fit. because that's her only expression in this show. I've been stuck by performance of some of the other actors here, like Tyrion in the court scene, Tywin skinning the dear, Jaime in the hot tub, Alfie Allen as Reek, even that psycho Ramsay Bolton. You could see they had range, they could go from being coy, timid, sweet, funny to absolutely devastated, angry, psychotic, dramatic... Clarke is not able to do that. Anyone who thinks her performance in this episode was super has very low expectations. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
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And i agree that Emilia as a person seems to be nice, i like her interviews as well, etc. But that doesn't change her acting unfortunately | ||
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RenSC2
United States1079 Posts
It's not just Emilia's range which seems off the mark. | ||
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