[TV/BOOK] *SPOILERS* Game of Thrones Discussion - Page 717

he'll probably have a shitty, random death that you only see coming like 5 minutes before it happens in the second to last episode.

Bronn will have to die to remind people that, you know, Cersei is mean. (And also to finally begin turning Jamie into the valonqar)

This is so embarassing. If i realize little stupid details, like Jon coming out of the water and the first thing he does while pulling himself up is grabbing his fucking sword so that he can only use one hand to pull himself up, it means i have lost all abilitie to suspend disbelief. I think i start hating this show. The script is so mindblowingly stupid at this point.

I could list all the things that i found to be stupid, but i will keep it to two including the sword grabbing:

Why the fuck are they protecting their one little packaged skeleton from being freed when they are surrounded by a shitton of other skeletons? Do they have a timer? "Mission: Survive 1 minute against the attacking White Walker. The captured Wight needs to survive." Why are the other Wights trying to free the captured one? Have they read the script?

while i agree with many of the stupid details, (e.g. other than super fast dragons and ravens, the one that bothered me most was how easy it would have been for jon to just get on the fucking dragom) it looked like jon was using the cross guard as an ice pick to haul himself out.

I never saw the other wights trying to free the captured one just attacking what ever was alive and closest to them. I figure they knew that the only reason they were there was to get a wright (stupid in the first place) so if they didnt keep the one they already had tied up and hooded they probably wouldnt get another chance to catch one. it did take like four guys to pin it down and tie it up.

I mean sure, they came for that thing and that was their ultimate goal. And it makes sense protecting the package over your life if you believe your party will survive. It's not like they got told from HQ to just hold out a little longer...

Oh jebus the XCOM mission this would make:
HQ: Hold on just a little longer, package almost secured.
HQ: Okay, package secured.
Objective Complete: Capture a Wight 1/1
HQ: Now you just need to eliminate all remaining hostiles
Objective updated: Hostiles remaining 52091
Jon: FFS BRADFORD!

The only guy that protected it over his life was the nights watch guy that accidentally fell of the edge at the end right? the camera work was pretty funny to only ever show the main gang untill someone had to die then there was a handy nights watch person They did say something like danearys is our only hope now the raven is flying to dragon stone shes our only way out of here or something. so they were waiting for an extraction of sorts.

the real absurdity is that a little pond stopped 1000s of wrights for a whole day. they had more than enough to pile bodies across and i dont think they can even drown... or that the avengers of westeros were able to last more than 30 seconds against them when they did come.

In regards to the Jon not getting on the dragon, I think he was trying to keep the undead off of the rest of them while they all got on and got a little tunnel vision. It also looked like they had plenty of time right up until the ice spear and then shit went sideways.

Dragons are clearly faster than a horse, which means they might travel at 45 to 50 mph(80 KPH). So it would take like 30+ hours for her to fly north to them.(kingslanding is like 1500 miles from Winterfell). If we assume they were about one days travel from the wall(10 miles on foot), then they should have spent two nights on that rock in the middle of the frozen lake.

Of course, if the dragons can fly faster than that, it takes less time.

im not gonna concern myself too much with the timeline but you would also have to add the raven flying time from eastwatch to dragonstone too

Yeah, it still doesn’t make sense. They should have written it that they captured the wight and then figured out they were being chased by the army, sent someone off to send a raven and lead the army off. Also a line or two that the Night King seems to know their plan(I’m convinced the night king has some bran like farseeing powers or the ability to see through his undead).

I get the pacing issues, but they could clean this stuff up by moving some scenes around and cutting a walking sequence or two.

I'm surprised no one is calling out how utterly retarded the hound was. You're all fine sitting on the little island, but no, the hound decides to fuck with the undead so they attack. Great fucking idea.

I don’t know, waiting to freeze to death seems like something that would impair my judgment.

Getting some skyrim vibes from this episode.
Also, I love how they are able to get a message from the north pole to dragon stone in 24 hours or so.

It went Gendry -> Raven -> dragon. I can understand it if they didn't venture far and Gendry ran to Eastwatch in a couple hours and if Dany was right there... But they first would have to find a dragonstone Raven then send it (which should take days or maybe even a week) and then Dany would have to fly the same distance up (probably the same speed as a raven). Assuming everything is operating at 100 percent efficiency, it would take a week for Dany to get to Eastwatch and then she would have to fly around and find them.

I would have laughed my ass off if she flew in and they were all dead and frozen.

Like others mentioned here and elsewhere already: they're out of source material and they're hollywood writers. So while the show had the awesome cruel realism in the first seasons we've well arrived in hollywood high fantasy hero territory. And I'm not talking teleports, dragons and resurrections- i'm talking about not drowning/swimming in full plate armor (Jaime) or armor/fur/leathers in frozen temperature waters (Jon).

Years ago when I did some kind of swimming test that had some rescue elements I had to swim in some light (!) clothing. Can't remember the details but it was nothing besides pants and shirt. It was rough as fuck and I was a good swimmer. And that was swimming pool temperature water.
You fall into even a small body of water in full plate/mail- you're dead. You fall into icy water- you're dead. Even if you wouldn't drown, which you will because your muscles stop working after a very short time, the hypothermia will kill you in minutes. But hey maybe Jamies hand is actually a Go-Go-Gadget version with a hidden submarine in it or Bronn has secret superpowers that enable him to carry 300 pounds under water for miles, and Jon is so filled with holy fire from his last resurrection that his body functions are superhuman.

I could forgive all that nonsense though because hey, it's fantasy after all. But the utter stupidity of the plot lately really bugs me. Tyrion and Varys are supposed to be smart. The entire expedition plot is so retarded it really hurts.