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On May 18 2015 22:59 Serejai wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2015 22:45 dudeman001 wrote:another's spear play getting completely overshadowed by Oberyn's. You guys will whine and bitch about anything. Are you seriously complaining because one of the sand snakes wasn't as good with a spear as Oberyn was? I mean come on... This thread has devolved into a circlejerk about how much better the books are, and anytime someone posts something logical (like Plexa has the past few pages) it just gets lost in all the posts complaining about things.
I'm complaining because the choreography was actually terrible. It looks like they gave the actors little to no training with their weapons, they just shoved a spear in her hands and said "Try to do what Pedro did a year ago." The Snakes move, fight and act awkwardly, and that's why we're complaining. It's a legitimate criticism about a show that's maintained quality for so long.
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On May 18 2015 22:45 dudeman001 wrote:
"I'm Sansa Stark of Winterfell. This is my home, you can't scare me."
Proceeds to get terrified by Ramsey. All that character building they've been doing for Sansa since the end of season 4 is getting destroyed. She showed no strength at the end which just makes her a stupid little girl again.
And yeah, the Sand Snakes fight was choreographed terribly. One snake holding the daggers like she's the murderer from Psycho, another's spear play getting completely overshadowed by Oberyn's.
It doesn't feel like this is the last real step to Littlefinger's plan. How could he expect the Knights of the Vale to quickly turn on the northerners after all the history between those two regions? Somehow he has nearly perfect information about what's going on, so he has to be aware of the possibility that Stannis defeats the Boltons and a new Jon Stark joins him with the full northern support. I dunno, Littlefinger just irritates me because he's been making high risk plays for 4.5 seasons and never been burned once.
Wouldn't you be terrified by Ramsey? I feel like the dumb Sansa from S2 would have tried to refuse him, which would have gone much worse for her. As unfortunate as it may be, she's trying to play the game as best she can from her position, which is not a good one. She's a "stupid little girl" for "not showing strength" in getting raped? Seriously?
And yeah, the Sand Snake fight was terrible, but complaining that the one chick couldn't fight as well as Oberyn with a spear is a little silly. The whole point of his fight was to show that no one fights like him with a spear.
The Unsullied complaining about the rape scene is pretty funny though, because IMO what happens in the books is 10x worse. Ramsey having forceful non-consensual sex was pretty much the best case outcome of that scene, I'm not really sure what they were expecting.
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so tyrion can somehow find out that jeor mormont got killed when it pretty much took place during the purple wedding. let alone the fact that he is miles away from the north.
but somehow everyone at kings landing is clueless about sansa?
i mean at this point i assume roose still has an alliance with kings landing and he can easily just say yeah littlefinger arranged the marriage
and the seven are really going to use evidence of a birth mark on loras as evidence to arrest the queen and loras? LOL Olyver is his squire (pretending) its not shocking that he knows a birth mark is there.
but whatever D&D gonna D&D
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I agree that the news should have reached King's Landing, but they did make sure to let us know that Roose explicitly would not let Cersei know about Sansa or Littlefinger himself.
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You'll note that Tyrion traveled with a very talented whisperer of secrets, and, now with Varys gone, Kings Landing is without one of its primary sources of information.
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On May 18 2015 21:31 Conti wrote:Welp, so much for Littlefinger being incompetent and not having a clue what he's doing. 
Littlefinger publicly escorted Sansa to Winterfell for the wedding. He was involved in a huge scene at the crossroads Inn where Brienne loudly announced who Sansa was to everyone there. There were lots of witnesses. His arrival at Winterfell could hardly be considered secretive. There is a huge bounty on Sansa and Tyrion's heads for killing Joffrey which you would expect someone to try to collect. His entire plan is to wed Sansa to make the Boltons out to be traitors so he can have the north for himself, when even the most rudimentary spy network would find out that he is the one who arranged the wedding. It requires us to believe that the Boltons would value a figure head marriage of Sansa to Ramsay to attempt to pacify the north as more important than betraying the Iron Throne when they are about to be attacked by Stannis, when the only reason they are Wardens of the North in the first place is because of their alliance with the Lannisters.
It also requires us to believe the armies of the Vale are going to be willing to die for Littlefinger so he can rule the north because show writers say so. I give them credit for coming up with a reason for Littlefinger to give Sansa up to be a sacrificial pawn though. With better writing it might have worked.
It's funny that the faith didn't arrest Littlefinger as a brothel owner because he had urgent business with the queen mother, but they arrested the queen on the word of a male prostitute. The male prostitute's "proof" is that he knows about Loras' birth mark? He was his squire, which presumably would some times expose him to seeing him undress when putting on and removing his armor.
Dorne was Xena Princess warrior bad. Apparently anyone can walk armed into the presence of the prince of Dorne with no guards any where near them. If this is the best they can come up with then cut Dorne completely. On the plus side the show is so far removed from the books that it will be difficult to say anything is a spoiler for future books this season.
There are still individual scenes which turn out really well, but they are becoming rarer and rarer. They still have a good cast and good production values. This season just isn't that good. Not because it doesn't follow the books, but because the writing is mediocre at best and terrible at worst.
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On May 19 2015 00:30 karazax wrote:
It's funny that the faith didn't arrest Littlefinger as a brothel owner because he had urgent business with the queen mother, but they arrested the queen on the word of a male prostitute. The male prostitute's "proof" is that he knows about Loras' birth mark? He was his squire, which presumably would some times expose him to seeing him undress when putting on and removing his armor.
Yes, they made it look like the Sparrows are pretty much under Cersei's control, or at least the High Sparrow is. Which might as well be the case in the show at this point, so this might actually make sense. Of course, in that case it wouldn't make sense for the Sparrows to spontaneously turn against Cersei, so I suspect that Lady Olenna will be quite involved in turning the Sparrows against Cersei. Which, honestly, is a change I'm perfectly fine with.
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I think the Jamie rescuing Marcella is a good idea, something to do with good characters that dont really have much going on in this part of the books. How they are executing it though is pretty poor, I did enjoy the fight scene but ya you guys are right... poorly choreographed and they shouldnt have just been able to walk into the palace with no guards walk right up to the princess and try to take her away. Same with the Sand Snakes.
Not really digging what theyre doing with Sansa at all. I hope it gets better.
Soooo I guess Im not really that happy with the changes completely. The branching out the writers have done away from the books so far hasnt been that successful imo.
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On May 18 2015 23:37 ZasZ. wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2015 22:45 dudeman001 wrote:
"I'm Sansa Stark of Winterfell. This is my home, you can't scare me."
Proceeds to get terrified by Ramsey. All that character building they've been doing for Sansa since the end of season 4 is getting destroyed. She showed no strength at the end which just makes her a stupid little girl again.
And yeah, the Sand Snakes fight was choreographed terribly. One snake holding the daggers like she's the murderer from Psycho, another's spear play getting completely overshadowed by Oberyn's.
It doesn't feel like this is the last real step to Littlefinger's plan. How could he expect the Knights of the Vale to quickly turn on the northerners after all the history between those two regions? Somehow he has nearly perfect information about what's going on, so he has to be aware of the possibility that Stannis defeats the Boltons and a new Jon Stark joins him with the full northern support. I dunno, Littlefinger just irritates me because he's been making high risk plays for 4.5 seasons and never been burned once. Wouldn't you be terrified by Ramsey? I feel like the dumb Sansa from S2 would have tried to refuse him, which would have gone much worse for her. As unfortunate as it may be, she's trying to play the game as best she can from her position, which is not a good one. She's a "stupid little girl" for "not showing strength" in getting raped? Seriously?
Scared yes, but I was hoping for her to at least show a look of strength as she turned away from Ramsey. SOMETHING that shows she's not the same girl from season 1 and that she actually picked up some manipulation lessons from Littlefinger. I didn't see any of that with her acting and it doesn't appear as though she IS playing the game anymore. She just accepted what Littlefinger told her to do and so she continues to be a toy for men to do with as they want.
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On May 19 2015 00:40 Conti wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2015 00:30 karazax wrote:
It's funny that the faith didn't arrest Littlefinger as a brothel owner because he had urgent business with the queen mother, but they arrested the queen on the word of a male prostitute. The male prostitute's "proof" is that he knows about Loras' birth mark? He was his squire, which presumably would some times expose him to seeing him undress when putting on and removing his armor. Yes, they made it look like the Sparrows are pretty much under Cersei's control, or at least the High Sparrow is. Which might as well be the case in the show at this point, so this might actually make sense. Of course, in that case it wouldn't make sense for the Sparrows to spontaneously turn against Cersei, so I suspect that Lady Olenna will be quite involved in turning the Sparrows against Cersei. Which, honestly, is a change I'm perfectly fine with.
I don't think they are supposed to be controlled by Cersei, not even in the show. Although it is definitely a possibility, to me it seemed that they rather just do what they think is really the best for the Faith, now that they have the power and legitimacy to do so. That includes imprisoning Loras and Margaery, apparently. The High Sparrow looks like an independent man; he does not follow Cersei's orders, only now his goals coincide with Cersei's.
Anyway, we will see what happens when Cersei is put into KeSPA jail (this will happen in the show as well, right?).
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Wow, we're officially out of the books now I'd say xD... that's how I felt watching at least.. the show somehow lost its virginity... :o
The scenes with Arya were really cool!
Edit: just realized that the fighting pit scene with the dragons will have jorah in the pit as fighter probably... tyrion somewhere as well... chaos!!!!
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+ Show Spoiler [letting off steam] +holy shit things turned bad with season 5. for real! I'm really pissed, I loved the fact that the books were made into a series and holy hell did they screw up. Now fucking way I'll continue watching.
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A shit episode. Dorne was crap, Mr.Ecko needs to find a cock merchant, Boltons wed Sansa without any witnesses and there is no bedding ceremony for the bride but instead they walk into the room casually. Events in Kings Landing weren't as awful as the rest... you'd think if the queens brother was on trial they would HAVE A COURT WORTH A FUCK? Sitting on kitchen stools while High Sparrow questions the accused... Lord give me strength. Sorry if this comes off as overly negative, but the episode was awful and they ended it on a rape note with Theons face plastered on the screen.
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On May 19 2015 04:44 boxerfred wrote:+ Show Spoiler [letting off steam] +holy shit things turned bad with season 5. for real! I'm really pissed, I loved the fact that the books were made into a series and holy hell did they screw up. Now fucking way I'll continue watching.
Hear, hear. It was such a crap episode that I figured I'd stick to the books from now on. Writing is just horrible on the show. Dorne. Wow. Someone wrote that the show is going downhill because the books events during this time aren't that spectacular. Not much to be done perhaps.. should pick up towards the end.
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oh Sansa...
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That last 5 minutes.....motherfucker that was easily the worst shit that has happened on the show by far. Nothing in the books compares.
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Direction and writing has been TERRIBLE this season. Jaime and Bron vs. The Sand Snakes was one of the most pathetic scenes that I have ever watched on a overall good (and once upon a time great) TV show. And I was thinking that Barristan/Grayworm vs Sons of Harpy was bad... Poor me.
If you gonna deviate from the books, please give us cool things like Brienne vs Hound.
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Yeah, I'm not sure what happened with the choreography. Previous fights with both Bronn and Jaime were good. Jaime vs. Ned was nice, and just about every fight involving Bronn feels dirty and real. They are way off with the choreography this season, but I feel it's mostly the camera work. The angles were bad in this scene.
Also, Adebisi needs a cock merchant, not Mr. Eko. Hehe.
I wonder one thing though, if Jorah has greyscale, wouldn't anyone who touches him get it? He touched Tyrion this episode, and was hit by the slaver. I kept thinking about that all throughout the scene. Anyone else.
Anyway, I'm fairly certain the High Sparrow is going to turn on Cersei. Not because he's devious, just because she's going to be exposed for one of her numerous sins. I believe the Walk of Shame was confirmed, wasn't it? And also yes, I too think Lady Olenna is going to wreck her. It should be good.
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I wonder one thing though, if Jorah has greyscale, wouldn't anyone who touches him get it? He touched Tyrion this episode, and was hit by the slaver. I kept thinking about that all throughout the scene. Anyone else.
I have no idea how it works in the books/show, but right now i think you have to touch a part which is already affected.
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On May 18 2015 22:59 Serejai wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2015 22:45 dudeman001 wrote:another's spear play getting completely overshadowed by Oberyn's. You guys will whine and bitch about anything. Are you seriously complaining because one of the sand snakes wasn't as good with a spear as Oberyn was? I mean come on... This thread has devolved into a circlejerk about how much better the books are, and anytime someone posts something logical (like Plexa has the past few pages) it just gets lost in all the posts complaining about things.
You sound like the fanboy here, coming to the defense of the show at every possible turn.
If you can't see the lack of quality in the scenes with the Sand Snakes, then I just don't know what to say. They're fucking awful.
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