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On May 12 2015 19:37 Spaylz wrote: Jeez, reading the Unsullied thread is such a good way to see that Conti is right.
Half of the posts in the last 5 pages are about how the poster thinks the season is boring, and that nothing is happening. And honestly, the show already has had a lot more happen than the books. Going in, we knew that S5 was likely going to be some sort of transitional season to set up for everything going into full motion, but well, they didn't.
And these are TLers; I'd like to think the average poster on TL is relatively smart. So many of them forget events and characters! It's crazy.
Is that really true? I am not so sure about that tbh. A thread on TL is also hardly representative.
I dont mind all the changes yet but my biggest complaint is stuffing too much shit in the individual scenes. The Jorah Tyrion scene was a prime example - D&D felt the need to show Valyria, pop Drogon in the sky, have a fight with stonemen, semi cliffhanger with Tyrion drawning (the episode shouldve ended right then and there btw) and to top it all Jorah got infected with greyscale. All that in like 2-3 minutes or less. What the fuck honestly. No pun intended but the show feels like a D&D game - while you pass through the old ruins, stonemen attack you, fortitude save failed - greyscale infected, your companion is attacked reflex save successful. Previously the show took its time with the punch scenes, now I feel there's some super desperate attempt to progress everything as fast as possible. Every scene has some sort of foreshadowing or is someone telling a story.
On May 12 2015 22:32 disciple wrote: now I feel there's some super desperate attempt to progress everything as fast as possible. Every scene has some sort of foreshadowing or is someone telling a story.
Ironically there's a few of those stuffed to the blink scenes, and the rest of the episode's scenes are tedious, unnecessary and mostly boring scenes that they didn't have to bother with.
On May 12 2015 19:37 Spaylz wrote: Jeez, reading the Unsullied thread is such a good way to see that Conti is right.
Half of the posts in the last 5 pages are about how the poster thinks the season is boring, and that nothing is happening. And honestly, the show already has had a lot more happen than the books. Going in, we knew that S5 was likely going to be some sort of transitional season to set up for everything going into full motion, but well, they didn't.
And these are TLers; I'd like to think the average poster on TL is relatively smart. So many of them forget events and characters! It's crazy.
Is that really true? I am not so sure about that tbh. A thread on TL is also hardly representative.
Considering Dany is already set to marry Hizdahr, Barristan just died and Jorah got greyscale, I would say so. It looks like things are going to pick up in the next few episodes.
Not to mention Stannis moving out against the Boltons. Also, one thing I missed, but Edd spoke out against Jon. Thinking back on it, I'm pretty sure they're setting it up so that Edd participates in the stabbing. It has to be somewhat heartbreaking and it has to portray a credible betrayal, but still... I will be so sad if Edd turns on Jon. He never would.
Don't forget the boy who also spoke out against Jon (in private). They're pretty much the last characters left at the Wall that we know, so they're bound to betray Jon. Sam will stay true to Jon until the end, and the others are antagonists to him already, so it wouldn't be shocking if they did the stabbing.
Not sure how they're gonna develop this grayscale for Jorah, but from the season trailer we at least know that he keeps his hand. The predictable course would be Tyrion laying down a knowledge bomb about grayscale and treating him, but nothing's predictable for GoT anymore. Not after Selmy
Before watching the trailer, I got to see an ad - Another GoT trailer. New level of advertisment!
Meh episode. I hate the fact they are diverging from the books with story elements and character but then return to some elements of book story that now makes no sense with the change they introduced.
Gray worms dialogue was basically a B movie quality.
On May 12 2015 22:32 disciple wrote: I dont mind all the changes yet but my biggest complaint is stuffing too much shit in the individual scenes. The Jorah Tyrion scene was a prime example - D&D felt the need to show Valyria, pop Drogon in the sky, have a fight with stonemen, semi cliffhanger with Tyrion drawning (the episode shouldve ended right then and there btw) and to top it all Jorah got infected with greyscale. All that in like 2-3 minutes or less. What the fuck honestly. No pun intended but the show feels like a D&D game - while you pass through the old ruins, stonemen attack you, fortitude save failed - greyscale infected, your companion is attacked reflex save successful. Previously the show took its time with the punch scenes, now I feel there's some super desperate attempt to progress everything as fast as possible. Every scene has some sort of foreshadowing or is someone telling a story.
I know exactly how you feel. The first few minutes of them sailing through Valyria was very cool. Seeing the ruined civilization, that we've only heard of in 3rd person from the books, was awesome. Jorah surprising Tyrion by knowing the verse he was quoting was a nice touch.
I would have been so happy if they had just kept sailing past it (why the fuck would they go that close to land anyway, when they are no where near their destination?). It was a nice scene on it's own. There was no need for a zombie attack.
Of course that's just my preference. Seeing people complain about lack of action obviously explains why they did it. I wish all those people would just go watch the walking dead, so HBO could make GoT not suck, instead of catering to unsullied .
On May 12 2015 22:32 disciple wrote: I dont mind all the changes yet but my biggest complaint is stuffing too much shit in the individual scenes. The Jorah Tyrion scene was a prime example - D&D felt the need to show Valyria, pop Drogon in the sky, have a fight with stonemen, semi cliffhanger with Tyrion drawning (the episode shouldve ended right then and there btw) and to top it all Jorah got infected with greyscale. All that in like 2-3 minutes or less. What the fuck honestly. No pun intended but the show feels like a D&D game - while you pass through the old ruins, stonemen attack you, fortitude save failed - greyscale infected, your companion is attacked reflex save successful. Previously the show took its time with the punch scenes, now I feel there's some super desperate attempt to progress everything as fast as possible. Every scene has some sort of foreshadowing or is someone telling a story.
I know exactly how you feel. The first few minutes of them sailing through Valyria was very cool. Seeing the ruined civilization, that we've only heard of in 3rd person from the books, was awesome. Jorah surprising Tyrion by knowing the verse he was quoting was a nice touch.
I would have been so happy if they had just kept sailing past it (why the fuck would they go that close to land anyway, when they are no where near their destination?). It was a nice scene on it's own. There was no need for a zombie attack.
Of course that's just my preference. Seeing people complain about lack of action obviously explains why they did it. I wish all those people would just go watch the walking dead, so HBO could make GoT not suck, instead of catering to unsullied .
You do know that same attack happened in the books as well when Tyrion sailed through there? He was in different company but still, it happened. Now we are going to complain as well when they do keep to book material (somewhat :D) ?
On May 12 2015 22:32 disciple wrote: I dont mind all the changes yet but my biggest complaint is stuffing too much shit in the individual scenes. The Jorah Tyrion scene was a prime example - D&D felt the need to show Valyria, pop Drogon in the sky, have a fight with stonemen, semi cliffhanger with Tyrion drawning (the episode shouldve ended right then and there btw) and to top it all Jorah got infected with greyscale. All that in like 2-3 minutes or less. What the fuck honestly. No pun intended but the show feels like a D&D game - while you pass through the old ruins, stonemen attack you, fortitude save failed - greyscale infected, your companion is attacked reflex save successful. Previously the show took its time with the punch scenes, now I feel there's some super desperate attempt to progress everything as fast as possible. Every scene has some sort of foreshadowing or is someone telling a story.
I know exactly how you feel. The first few minutes of them sailing through Valyria was very cool. Seeing the ruined civilization, that we've only heard of in 3rd person from the books, was awesome. Jorah surprising Tyrion by knowing the verse he was quoting was a nice touch.
I would have been so happy if they had just kept sailing past it (why the fuck would they go that close to land anyway, when they are no where near their destination?). It was a nice scene on it's own. There was no need for a zombie attack.
Of course that's just my preference. Seeing people complain about lack of action obviously explains why they did it. I wish all those people would just go watch the walking dead, so HBO could make GoT not suck, instead of catering to unsullied .
You do know that same attack happened in the books as well when Tyrion sailed through there? He was in different company but still, it happened. Now we are going to complain as well when they do keep to book material (somewhat :D) ?
You couldve just said the attack happened and end there cause the other facts around it are completely different. Even if the attack itself is an important plot point in the book going through valyria specifically showing drogon and jorah getting greyscale in the same scene isnt. At this point I think D&D play the show on the premise of cheap surprises and thrills - you know what people will like to see? Old Valyria, and dragons and shit. Sometimes scenes have to be written for their own sake,but they just try super hard to tie in everything the show watchers have heard about and bother to notice if its repeated often enough. Remember the Tywin and Arya scenes? Those were not in the books either but they showed incredibly cool and meaningful character interaction - in fact I wish those scenes are in the books. And in those scenes there was no forced exposition, no foreshadowing, no need for a lot of shit to happen in 2 minutes. It was just good dialog which didn't ultimately have a plot purpose but so what? Now every bit of dialog excels the plot in some way or people just happen to drop important knowledge bombs for the viewers convenience or brimmed with action that take the characters from one set piece to another. It's fake boring and dumb.
So this Jorah taking the place of Connington makes sense.... somehow... not sure how really... he continues his unlikely quest to get back into Danny's inner circle, even though he's mortally infected with a viral disease.
Is there actually so much pressure to finish the tv show next season?
Cause im a bit confused, they cut and merge so many characters and storylines, make everything feel quite rushed, only to run out of book material so they have to make up their own story. Apparently they have no desire to buy some time for grrm to finish the next book somewhat in time. The decision has been made, it seems like.
There isnt so much left, if you cut so much from the story.
What are they going to do? Draw the show out for 5 more seasons to let GRRM finish? Seriously?
They've stated last year that they're planning on 7 seasons, and that's the pace they're in now. Which means that this season they've got to pretty much finish the entirety of GRRM's written material plus a bunch of extra stuff so they can get the content of the last two books in the last two seasons, more or less.
And it's pretty amusing that people use the Arya/Tywin scene as a positive example of new material now, considering that back when it aired people in this thread actually complained about it just like they complain about new material now, saying how it was utterly unrealistic for Tywin not to try to find out who she was, for him to even talk to her like that and give away so much information, yadda yadda. It's almost like people desperately want to hate the new changes, no matter what.
On May 12 2015 22:32 disciple wrote: I dont mind all the changes yet but my biggest complaint is stuffing too much shit in the individual scenes. The Jorah Tyrion scene was a prime example - D&D felt the need to show Valyria, pop Drogon in the sky, have a fight with stonemen, semi cliffhanger with Tyrion drawning (the episode shouldve ended right then and there btw) and to top it all Jorah got infected with greyscale. All that in like 2-3 minutes or less. What the fuck honestly. No pun intended but the show feels like a D&D game - while you pass through the old ruins, stonemen attack you, fortitude save failed - greyscale infected, your companion is attacked reflex save successful. Previously the show took its time with the punch scenes, now I feel there's some super desperate attempt to progress everything as fast as possible. Every scene has some sort of foreshadowing or is someone telling a story.
I know exactly how you feel. The first few minutes of them sailing through Valyria was very cool. Seeing the ruined civilization, that we've only heard of in 3rd person from the books, was awesome. Jorah surprising Tyrion by knowing the verse he was quoting was a nice touch.
I would have been so happy if they had just kept sailing past it (why the fuck would they go that close to land anyway, when they are no where near their destination?). It was a nice scene on it's own. There was no need for a zombie attack.
Of course that's just my preference. Seeing people complain about lack of action obviously explains why they did it. I wish all those people would just go watch the walking dead, so HBO could make GoT not suck, instead of catering to unsullied .
You do know that same attack happened in the books as well when Tyrion sailed through there? He was in different company but still, it happened. Now we are going to complain as well when they do keep to book material (somewhat :D) ?
You couldve just said the attack happened and end there cause the other facts around it are completely different. Even if the attack itself is an important plot point in the book going through valyria specifically showing drogon and jorah getting greyscale in the same scene isnt. At this point I think D&D play the show on the premise of cheap surprises and thrills - you know what people will like to see? Old Valyria, and dragons and shit. Sometimes scenes have to be written for their own sake,but they just try super hard to tie in everything the show watchers have heard about and bother to notice if its repeated often enough. Remember the Tywin and Arya scenes? Those were not in the books either but they showed incredibly cool and meaningful character interaction - in fact I wish those scenes are in the books. And in those scenes there was no forced exposition, no foreshadowing, no need for a lot of shit to happen in 2 minutes. It was just good dialog which didn't ultimately have a plot purpose but so what? Now every bit of dialog excels the plot in some way or people just happen to drop important knowledge bombs for the viewers convenience or brimmed with action that take the characters from one set piece to another. It's fake boring and dumb.
What you said here has been happening for much longer than this season. Basically from season 2 and onwards.For example they skipped most of Arya travels and all the fun parts and bonding. Just showed a few set pieces here and there and moved the plot forward.
And unsullied have been complaining from the start how it all seems strange. If the show actually followed books more closely by letting POV chapters play out longer and slower in the show it all would have been better with more character development and less set pieces and lore dumps.
On May 13 2015 21:17 Conti wrote: What are they going to do? Draw the show out for 5 more seasons to let GRRM finish? Seriously?
They've stated last year that they're planning on 7 seasons, and that's the pace they're in now. Which means that this season they've got to pretty much finish the entirety of GRRM's written material plus a bunch of extra stuff so they can get the content of the last two books in the last two seasons, more or less.
And it's pretty amusing that people use the Arya/Tywin scene as a positive example of new material now, considering that back when it aired people in this thread actually complained about it just like they complain about new material now, saying how it was utterly unrealistic for Tywin not to try to find out who she was, for him to even talk to her like that and give away so much information, yadda yadda. It's almost like people desperately want to hate the new changes, no matter what.
I still think the Arya/Tywin scenes were only good when you look at them in a vacuum. Do i get a cookie now? Srsly, people have different opinions, even in this thread. I doubt people who thought the scenes were a bad change when it aired look at it differently now, it's just different people talking about it probably
Personally i wouldn't mind changes if thex actually improved anything. There are changes which are needed cause of budget/time, then there are changes which aren't needed at all (if you wanna do high quality television and NOT water it down so everyone can appreciate it) D&D try too hard to be popular for my liking, it makes the quality worse.
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