[TV/BOOK] *SPOILERS* Game of Thrones Discussion - Page 455

On April 22 2014 02:25 c0ldfusion wrote:
So, (this was brought up in the other thread), does anyone else find it weird that Tywin talks about Robert Baratheon like he was a king from long ago when he's educating Tommen? Tommen barely bats an eye during that lecture. I mean, as far as he knows, Robert was his father. That exchange felt a little off.

On April 22 2014 06:47 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Does anybody else think this sumsar guy in the other thread might have read the books?

I think the “butterfly effect” that I have spoken of so often was at work here. In the novels, Jaime is not present at Joffrey’s death, and indeed, Cersei has been fearful that he is dead himself, that she has lost both the son and the father/ lover/ brother. And then suddenly Jaime is there before her. Maimed and changed, but Jaime nonetheless. Though the time and place is wildly inappropriate and Cersei is fearful of discovery, she is as hungry for him as he is for her.
The whole dynamic is different in the show, where Jaime has been back for weeks at the least, maybe longer, and he and Cersei have been in each other’s company on numerous occasions, often quarreling. The setting is the same, but neither character is in the same place as in the books, which may be why Dan & David played the sept out differently. But that’s just my surmise; we never discussed this scene, to the best of my recollection.
Also, I was writing the scene from Jaime’s POV, so the reader is inside his head, hearing his thoughts. On the TV show, the camera is necessarily external. You don’t know what anyone is thinking or feeling, just what they are saying and doing.
If the show had retained some of Cersei’s dialogue from the books, it might have left a somewhat different impression — but that dialogue was very much shaped by the circumstances of the books, delivered by a woman who is seeing her lover again for the first time after a long while apart during which she feared he was dead. I am not sure it would have worked with the new timeline.
That’s really all I can say on this issue. The scene was always intended to be disturbing… but I do regret if it has disturbed people for the wrong reasons.

On April 21 2014 16:14 Serek wrote:


Wrong. The director intended to portray it as a rape:



From Hollywood Director. So in that regard, he didn't do a bad job. Whether it was the right call is a debate I don't give two hoots about. I always thought Jaime's "redemption" arc was too little, too late anyway.

You could also argue it took some convincing. While it may have started out as our modern definition of rape, it seemed to become consensual after a while.