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SPOILER WARNING If you only watch the show, this thread will spoil you of future events in HBO's Game of Thrones. Thread contains discussion of all books of the series A Song of Ice and Fire
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Dunmer
Profile Joined April 2012
United Kingdom568 Posts
April 22 2014 17:09 GMT
#9101
Bolton sent me to get Jon snow though so maybe they cross paths with wildings and end up fighting for castle black. Could be a way to them to show Jon's reluctance to accept stannis's terms
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shark.
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
593 Posts
April 22 2014 17:16 GMT
#9102
The show writers seem to know what they are doing but with these twists in characters and times I can't help feeling this will not end pleasantly for the many who have read the books. They seem to do certain things well but add extra which then leads to poor portrayal of the characters that have been built within the book. I'm worried about how they may lead into the future parts of the BWB/LS etc with all these changes being made.
Rho_
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States971 Posts
April 22 2014 18:42 GMT
#9103
On April 23 2014 02:00 CobaltBlu wrote:
Sending Gilly to moletown seems excessively stupid of Sam considering they are showing the wildlings pillaging south of the wall. I don't understand the show changes sometimes.


As mentioned above, they are probably cutting Oldtown. It's not a satisfactory answer, but given the expense of the show I'm guessing they're trying to keep the number of filming locations/sets down, and Oldtown would be another spot to film for a minor part of a fringe plotline.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
April 22 2014 18:46 GMT
#9104
Uh, how can they cut Oldtown? I mean, nothing's happened there yet, but that was one of the main reasons of Sam leaving, to become a Maester, and there's a lot pointing to the group he meets being important in the next book for reasons of magic and dragons.

Also, if they do the "Mance's baby" bit, they need Gilly back eventually.
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c0ldfusion
Profile Joined October 2010
United States8293 Posts
April 22 2014 19:01 GMT
#9105
On April 23 2014 03:46 Requizen wrote:
Uh, how can they cut Oldtown? I mean, nothing's happened there yet, but that was one of the main reasons of Sam leaving, to become a Maester, and there's a lot pointing to the group he meets being important in the next book for reasons of magic and dragons.

Also, if they do the "Mance's baby" bit, they need Gilly back eventually.

Exactly. They need the baby.

Not sure what they're doing.
scudst0rm
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada1149 Posts
April 22 2014 19:39 GMT
#9106
She's just in moles town, they could easily bring her back after the battle or go find her when Jon wants to swap babies. It's a really minor deviation, I don't know how you made the leap to them cutting Sam's entire AFFC story arc.
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karazax
Profile Joined May 2010
United States3737 Posts
April 22 2014 19:49 GMT
#9107
Yeah in the books Sam and Gilly don't even arrive at the wall until a much later point in the books, so this is likely filler material. They have to find screen time for the actors some times, just to keep on the payroll. Like showing Jaime in season 2 being in prison, when he isn't in the 2nd book at all, but you can't keep the actor and not give him a scene for a whole season.
Rho_
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States971 Posts
April 22 2014 19:58 GMT
#9108
On April 23 2014 03:46 Requizen wrote:
Uh, how can they cut Oldtown? I mean, nothing's happened there yet, but that was one of the main reasons of Sam leaving, to become a Maester, and there's a lot pointing to the group he meets being important in the next book for reasons of magic and dragons.

Also, if they do the "Mance's baby" bit, they need Gilly back eventually.


You can cut Oldtown as a filming location without cutting it as a part of the plot, which is what I was trying to suggest.
c0ldfusion
Profile Joined October 2010
United States8293 Posts
April 22 2014 20:02 GMT
#9109
To be fair most of the divergences in the previous seasons were all minor or all eventually converged back into the book storyline.
chillpenguin
Profile Joined March 2011
United States90 Posts
April 22 2014 20:56 GMT
#9110
Like someone else said, Sam got to Castle Black a little bit too early I think, so they needed something to do with Gilly. They acknowledge how unrealistic it would be for Gilly to be chillin' in Castle Black for a whole season.

Going forward they could easily get her back into the story given her close proximity, but if they wanted to cut out the whole Mance's baby thing I don't think much would be lost (they have yet to introduce Dalla or Val, if they ever intend to). Sam could simply be sent to Oldtown to train as a maester by himself.
hariooo
Profile Joined October 2013
Canada2830 Posts
April 22 2014 22:16 GMT
#9111
Unless we get a whiff of the showrunners completely diverging from a main plot arc I think we can just enjoy the occasional difference as something to be surprised about so we don't know every little step in each episode. Rob ended up sleeping with a different chick but we ended up in the same place. I don't think we need to sweat the cosmetic stuff too much.
Spaylz
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Japan1743 Posts
April 22 2014 23:13 GMT
#9112
I think most of the divergences they choose to go with are a result of the lack of events we have in AFFC and ADWD. They are stretching some of the story lines so that they have actual content to go on.

I would imagine this is the reason why we have yet to see Lady Stoneheart, Coldhands or the Greyjoys. They are two interesting characters, and if they are saved for later it is fine with me, so long as they stick to the actual story.
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TheFish7
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States2824 Posts
April 22 2014 23:54 GMT
#9113
Argh i need to re-read the books. The show and the books are starting to blur together in my memory and that can't happen
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Irrelevant Label
Profile Joined January 2012
United States596 Posts
April 23 2014 01:50 GMT
#9114
On April 23 2014 08:54 TheFish7 wrote:
Argh i need to re-read the books. The show and the books are starting to blur together in my memory and that can't happen


Read right ahead of the show. It has the added bonus of then being able to pick apart every little change.

It is harder right now because in the first three episodes of s4 there has been stuff from as early as 30% of the way through SoS and as late as 80%. It should narrow down towards content from late in SoS.

Next season they get seriously into book 4 and 5 and I imagine it'll become impossible. Maybe a ball of beasts reading order would make it reasonable. A lot hangs on what they do with the Dorne and Iron Islands storylines.

I've lost my pre-show impression of Melisandre, Jorah, Sam, Sansa, and Varys more recently. Probably a couple more who do not come to mind as strongly. Tywin was the first one to creep in, but that I didn't mind losing to Charles Dance. Dance is a little silly with the burnside thing going on though. That part just can't be overwritten.
Discarder
Profile Joined July 2012
Philippines411 Posts
April 23 2014 02:46 GMT
#9115
has anyone seen the Arya chapter spoiled for 'The Winds of Winter'?

+ Show Spoiler +
in that chapter, He killed Raff the Sweetling in this chapter by asking him if he can walk and stabbing him in the throat,
exactly the same way lommy died. In the first episode of season 4, They killed polliver this way.
I would have preferred the original tarvern scene where arya stabs him in the back asking, 'is there gold in the village? where is beric dondarrion'. My point is, they shouldn't mix things up like this.
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c0ldfusion
Profile Joined October 2010
United States8293 Posts
April 23 2014 02:56 GMT
#9116
On April 23 2014 11:46 Discarder wrote:
has anyone seen the Arya chapter spoiled for 'The Winds of Winter'?

+ Show Spoiler +
in that chapter, He killed Raff the Sweetling in this chapter by asking him if he can walk and stabbing him in the throat,
exactly the same way lommy died. In the first episode of season 4, They killed polliver this way.
I would have preferred the original tarvern scene where arya stabs him in the back asking, 'is there gold in the village? where is beric dondarrion'. My point is, they shouldn't mix things up like this.


+ Show Spoiler +
They don't have a choice since they're merged in the show. And to be honest, I don't think the show runners knew how GRRM was gonna set it up in book 6 when they were filming season 2.
chillpenguin
Profile Joined March 2011
United States90 Posts
April 23 2014 13:05 GMT
#9117
On April 23 2014 10:50 Irrelevant Label wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2014 08:54 TheFish7 wrote:
Argh i need to re-read the books. The show and the books are starting to blur together in my memory and that can't happen

Read right ahead of the show. It has the added bonus of then being able to pick apart every little change.


I would strongly disagree with this. If you read right ahead of the show, all you will be able to focus on is every little change from the books, and it will hinder your ability to enjoy the show. I enjoy the show most when I'm just watching the show for what it is and not worrying about every little tiny detail that is different.
c0ldfusion
Profile Joined October 2010
United States8293 Posts
April 23 2014 13:08 GMT
#9118
I can't help myself. I constantly compare the show to the books. But I love changes and I hope they really kick it up a notch for seasons 5 and 6 given the crappy pacing of books 4 and 5. As an added bonus, it's really delightful to see the book elites on the internet foam at their mouths with every little change in the show.
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
April 23 2014 13:12 GMT
#9119
Book 4&5 are so underrated, it is not even funny
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c0ldfusion
Profile Joined October 2010
United States8293 Posts
April 23 2014 13:20 GMT
#9120
I'm not saying they're terrible books. Most reasonable people, I think, would find the pacing of books 1-3 to be vastly superior to that of books 4,5.
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