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Requizen

United States33802 Posts

April 24 2014 19:29 GMT

#9141

On April 25 2014 04:26 c0ldfusion wrote:
uh.. FiWiFaKi just posted _the_ bomb in the other thread.. I mean....

Ugh, do most non-book readers even know who Rhaegar or Lyanna are without needing a recap from someone else? They've only been brought up a handful of times in the show at best.

c0ldfusion

United States8293 Posts

April 24 2014 19:30 GMT

#9142

I know.. and of course our hands are tied with respect to these matters in the other thread. Oh wells...

SKC

Brazil18828 Posts

April 24 2014 19:33 GMT

#9143

Second hand spoilers must be fun to moderate. Jon theories are bound to reach non readers, and they may or may not be aware they probally come from someone that read the books. Its like the poisoning, the information is all there. If show watchers had the time and will to dissect the show like people do with the books, Im sure they would find it out, but the books saves them the trouble of doing it.

shark.

593 Posts

April 24 2014 19:34 GMT

#9144

I don't think the show has given anywhere near enough information about the R+L to come that conclusion. He has said in the past he has been spoiled about the Red Wedding so someone probably sent him in the right direction about that theory. I don't believe they showed Neds flashback to the Tower of Joy which has always been the major part for the theory for me and others I know.

CobaltBlu

United States919 Posts

April 24 2014 19:35 GMT

#9145

I think it is reasonable for a show watcher to suspect Jon's parentage but very little information has been given about Rhaegar and Lyanna. It feels really unlikely that someone would jump right to that theory just from watching the show.

Mikau

Netherlands1446 Posts

April 24 2014 19:36 GMT

#9146

There is literally nothing in the show about R+L=J apart from some conjecture (like Jon Snow being too major of a character). Rheagar and Lyanna are barely even mentioned in the show, and I don't even think they were mentioned at all after Robert died.

SKC

Brazil18828 Posts

April 24 2014 19:37 GMT

#9147

On April 25 2014 04:34 shark. wrote:
I don't think the show has given anywhere near enough information about the R+L to come that conclusion. He has said in the past he has been spoiled about the Red Wedding so someone probably sent him in the right direction about that theory. I don't believe they showed Neds flashback to the Tower of Joy which has always been the major part for the theory for me and others I know.

Its the part that almost confirms the theory, but we have book theories that rely on a much shakier ground than that. You cant be sure about it with just the show, but its enough to put doubt in Jon´s heritage and I dont doubt some people could come up with R+L as the source, even if they wouldnt be taken as seriously as they are with book information.

Tyrion is a Targ was seriously discussed in this thread, for example.

Someone with several recent posts in this thread confirming is pretty much the shittiest thing you can do to it though.

c0ldfusion

United States8293 Posts

April 24 2014 19:41 GMT

#9148

Well I think he needs to be stopped. This is a massive spoiler.

scudst0rm

Canada1149 Posts

April 24 2014 19:42 GMT

#9149

Based on Fiwifaki's recent posts here it seems like he is a chronic wiki reader

SKC

Brazil18828 Posts

April 24 2014 19:44 GMT

#9150

Well, that image that explained the poisoning was spread out on both that thread and major websites, so thats one thing you definatelly dont have to be a prolific wiki reader to be spoiled.

c0ldfusion

United States8293 Posts

April 24 2014 19:47 GMT

#9151

On April 25 2014 04:42 scudst0rm wrote:
Based on Fiwifaki's recent posts here it seems like he is a chronic wiki reader

He just confirmed it.

Mikau

Netherlands1446 Posts

April 24 2014 19:48 GMT

#9152

Why are people drawing more and more attention to that post? Ignore it till it goes away if you don't want to spoil show watchers even more :/

SKC

Brazil18828 Posts

April 24 2014 19:50 GMT

#9153

People dont think. Oh a guy posted a theory. Oh several people that seem to be book readers are complaining about it. Must be true.

Report the post, talk to a mod, complain here, whathever, but posting there is dumb.

The_Red_Viper

19533 Posts

April 24 2014 19:56 GMT

#9154

I think it is pretty sad that people try so hard to look clever, i mean even most of the book readers didn't figure out R+L=J on their own...

Mikau

Netherlands1446 Posts

April 24 2014 19:58 GMT

#9155

I honestly think he wasn't trying to look clever but was just 'spoiled' by the friend he supposedly discussed it with. Friend has book info -> talks to Fiwifaki with book information -> Fiwifaki thinks he and his friend are geniuses for figuring it out.

KwarK

United States44238 Posts

April 24 2014 19:58 GMT

#9156

Nuked the lot and PMed him.

SKC

Brazil18828 Posts

April 24 2014 20:00 GMT

#9157

Friend doesnt even have to have read the books, he may just have got spoiled somewhere and both were excited to talk about the new theory, like people do here all the time. It may not be something easy to reach with show info, but if someone talks about it, it really makes sense.

Conti

Germany2516 Posts

April 24 2014 20:00 GMT

#9158

Man, I don't envy the mods. I also don't think he intentionally spoiled everyone. Once the information about Jon is presented, it actually makes sense, even for a show watcher. I just consider it downright impossible to come up with all this on your own, without any information from the books.

KwarK

United States44238 Posts

April 24 2014 20:00 GMT

#9159

Read books, still didn't know R+L=J without reading wikis and shit.

Durak

Canada3685 Posts

April 24 2014 20:01 GMT

#9160

I've read the books and watch the show and even I didn't consider the theory when watching the show.

Jon isn't "too major of a character": the entire show revolves around House Stark, particularly at the beginning, and follows every character in the family. You get complete development for everyone: Ned+Catelyn, Robb, Sansa, Arya, Brandon, Jon, and even a lot about Rickon who's just a child.

Based on my own experience, it's only girls who watch the show that stumble into the idea. "I vote for Jon Snow for king; he's hot. We don't know who his mother is so is there some way he can become king?" They just want to know how the system works for deciding who is king.