EPT[TV/BOOK] *SPOILERS* Game of Thrones Discussion - Page 459
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c0ldfusion
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shark.
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KwarK
United States44238 Posts
GRRM gave us a long background about how wargs, if killed, can transfer into the animal. We know the Red God can resurrect people. Melissandre is getting crazy new powers and is there on the scene when Jon dies. Jon uses Ghost as a life boat, gets ressed as AA. | ||
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GENerateSAYing
United States103 Posts
On April 25 2014 04:56 The_Red_Viper wrote: I think it is pretty sad that people try so hard to look clever, i mean even most of the book readers didn't figure out R+L=J on their own... I had no idea till way later in the books. I'm glad I never looked anything up online--made it much more enjoyable to finally find out after GRRM provided enough clues for me. If someone got it a few clues before me great for them. Honestly I'm still smug that my character is still alive. Go Littlefinger. The real kicker for me is the unfolding of who will be king and who will live till the 'end'. I have a feeling LF will become king--but not for very long. Not sure which is stronger in him, his survivability or his ambition. Hopefully when the real crap hits the fan he will bail, but those in power are not quick to give it up.... | ||
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Conti
Germany2516 Posts
On April 25 2014 05:00 KwarK wrote: Read books, still didn't know R+L=J without reading wikis and shit. Same here. Would have never figured it out in a million years. Then again, I did miss a lot of things that others apparently felt were obvious, so maybe I'm just bad at noticing things. | ||
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GENerateSAYing
United States103 Posts
On April 25 2014 05:06 KwarK wrote: Was listening to the DoD audiobooks with the wife recently and I heard a Melissandre vision where she asked the flames to show her Azor Ahai or whatever and it would only show Jon Snow. The vision of Jon Snow flickered from man, to wolf, then back to man again. Also Melissandre was saying her powers were growing daily, she no longer needed food/sleep etc, she could do new things she never had been able to before and so forth. GRRM gave us a long background about how wargs, if killed, can transfer into the animal. We know the Red God can resurrect people. Melissandre is getting crazy new powers and is there on the scene when Jon dies. Jon uses Ghost as a life boat, gets ressed as AA. I can see him coming back--after all why go through the whole process of who his parents are and let him just die before it becomes relevant. | ||
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c0ldfusion
United States8293 Posts
On April 25 2014 05:06 KwarK wrote: Was listening to the DoD audiobooks with the wife recently and I heard a Melissandre vision where she asked the flames to show her Azor Ahai or whatever and it would only show Jon Snow. The vision of Jon Snow flickered from man, to wolf, then back to man again. Also Melissandre was saying her powers were growing daily, she no longer needed food/sleep etc, she could do new things she never had been able to before and so forth. GRRM gave us a long background about how wargs, if killed, can transfer into the animal. We know the Red God can resurrect people. Melissandre is getting crazy new powers and is there on the scene when Jon dies. Jon uses Ghost as a life boat, gets ressed as AA. Hmm.. I don't remember the flames showing him becoming a wolf and then back again. I do remember the flame showing Jon Snow though. Interesting.. | ||
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scudst0rm
Canada1149 Posts
On April 25 2014 05:06 GENerateSAYing wrote: I had no idea till way later in the books. I'm glad I never looked anything up online--made it much more enjoyable to finally find out after GRRM provided enough clues for me. If someone got it a few clues before me great for them. Honestly I'm still smug that my character is still alive. Go Littlefinger. The real kicker for me is the unfolding of who will be king and who will live till the 'end'. I have a feeling LF will become king--but not for very long. Not sure which is stronger in him, his survivability or his ambition. Hopefully when the real crap hits the fan he will bail, but those in power are not quick to give it up.... What clued you in later in the books? I figure you either figure it out during the tower of joy or not at all. All the other supporting evidence doesn't seem to mean much on its own. | ||
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Mikau
Netherlands1446 Posts
And I think the point of the prologue of ADWD (with Varamyr going into his wolf I think when he died) was to show precedent for saving Jon. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On April 25 2014 05:09 GENerateSAYing wrote: I can see him coming back--after all why go through the whole process of who his parents are and let him just die before it becomes relevant. Well yeah, Jon has Dany's same plot armor: he's had too much development and plot away from everyone else for him to just die without touching the rest of the story. Even without his possible heritage and prophecy, there's no way even GRRM would kill him off randomly like that. | ||
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Spaylz
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Mikau
Netherlands1446 Posts
On April 25 2014 05:11 scudst0rm wrote: What clued you in later in the books? I figure you either figure it out during the tower of joy or not at all. All the other supporting evidence doesn't seem to mean much on its own. And this. I didn't get it at all in my first read through, but after finding out about the theory on internetforums I was completely convinced after a reread of GoT. There's so many little clues that only make sense to me if it's true. In later books there's practically nothing confirming it after that. | ||
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
On April 25 2014 05:06 KwarK wrote: Was listening to the DoD audiobooks with the wife recently and I heard a Melissandre vision where she asked the flames to show her Azor Ahai or whatever and it would only show Jon Snow. The vision of Jon Snow flickered from man, to wolf, then back to man again. Also Melissandre was saying her powers were growing daily, she no longer needed food/sleep etc, she could do new things she never had been able to before and so forth. GRRM gave us a long background about how wargs, if killed, can transfer into the animal. We know the Red God can resurrect people. Melissandre is getting crazy new powers and is there on the scene when Jon dies. Jon uses Ghost as a life boat, gets ressed as AA. I think Jon warging into Ghost is the second most likely theory from the books, behind his heritage. It only makes sense after that prologue. I took time to realize even the Loras and Renly relationshit, but Jon not really being dead caught on immediatly. | ||
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Spaylz
Japan1743 Posts
I don't want Jon to be Rhaegar and Lyanna's son. I want Jon to be Ned's son. I don't know why... But I just do. I'm going for the Ashara Dayne theory <_< | ||
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KwarK
United States44238 Posts
She then sees skulls, and Jon’s face in between them. She again tries to concentrate on Stannis, but she only gets Jon, seeing him to change from man to wolf and then to man again. http://adwd-reread.blogspot.com/2011/07/melisandre.html When I heard that, knowing that Jon dies, the extra stuff about wargs when they die and the parentage I was like ":D:D:D I got one!". | ||
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The_Red_Viper
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GENerateSAYing
United States103 Posts
On April 25 2014 05:11 scudst0rm wrote: What clued you in later in the books? I figure you either figure it out during the tower of joy or not at all. All the other supporting evidence doesn't seem to mean much on its own. I've been watching murder mysteries with my parents for years, so "all the other supporting evidence" is exactly what I was paying close attention to. Also at the very beginning when we find out that Jon is a bastard I knew it was going to be a mystery surrounding it--that got my attention to start looking for clues. My parents and I both watch the show and we figured it out together (I can't take all the credit) once we starting laying out the clues one by one in order. What I like about GRRM is that he includes very little irrelevant information in his stories. Sure there is extra info about food/decoration/sex but other filler details he does a great job at making relevant. The show highlights this when the rains of castamere plays at the red wedding. Music selection being a big prelude isn't very common in fantasy. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
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GENerateSAYing
United States103 Posts
On April 25 2014 05:18 The_Red_Viper wrote: I have no problem with Jon being AA, but pls PLS don't be the hero that saves everything "ezpz" -.- I'm sure he won't. GRRM has said many times that he hates story's that are cheesing where the hero runs in to save the day. Looking at his work so far, I'm sure you don't have to worry ^-^. | ||
KadaverBB
Germany25658 Posts
On April 25 2014 05:24 Requizen wrote: To the mods that are taking care of the TV thread: I have so much pity and respect for your annoyance fortitude. Thank you <3 I think its kinda funny that the other thread totally has turned into another GoT type scenario. Everybody suspects everybody of being a book reader, theres 0 trust, and everyone hates everybody and everything  | ||
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