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SPOILER WARNING If you only watch the show, this thread will spoil you of future events in HBO's Game of Thrones. Thread contains discussion of all books of the series A Song of Ice and Fire
Click Here for the spoiler-free thread.
chroniX
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
517 Posts
May 31 2013 23:46 GMT
#6921
Just watched episode 6 and Melisandre has a "vision" and says to Arya that they will meet again. Do they actually meet at all in the books? I cant remember.
And when do you think they will meet each other again?
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14912 Posts
May 31 2013 23:53 GMT
#6922
No they never met in the books
magicmUnky
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia280 Posts
May 31 2013 23:56 GMT
#6923
not yet anyway
Vorenius
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Denmark1979 Posts
June 01 2013 00:16 GMT
#6924
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 01 2013 08:57 Zooper31 wrote:
Ya Rob is kinda slow sometimes but he's had some big moments that really mattered. Murdering the Karstark guy and some of his council meetings have been pretty good dialogue. Excited for him maybe taking Casterly Rock that'll be big.


Two more days. Those poor sods.
LoLAdriankat
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4307 Posts
June 01 2013 01:35 GMT
#6925
That episode was written by D&D, who know the ending to ASOIAF. I guess it's safe to say that it will happen in the books.
Anggroth
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom345 Posts
June 01 2013 01:36 GMT
#6926
On June 01 2013 09:16 Vorenius wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 01 2013 08:57 Zooper31 wrote:
Ya Rob is kinda slow sometimes but he's had some big moments that really mattered. Murdering the Karstark guy and some of his council meetings have been pretty good dialogue. Excited for him maybe taking Casterly Rock that'll be big.


Two more days. Those poor sods.


I'm wondering whether the internet outrage from the Red Wedding will match that from Ned's death in season 1.
No practical definition of freedom would be complete without the freedom to take the consequences. Indeed it is the freedom on which all others are based.
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
June 01 2013 08:22 GMT
#6927
On June 01 2013 10:36 Anggroth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2013 09:16 Vorenius wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 01 2013 08:57 Zooper31 wrote:
Ya Rob is kinda slow sometimes but he's had some big moments that really mattered. Murdering the Karstark guy and some of his council meetings have been pretty good dialogue. Excited for him maybe taking Casterly Rock that'll be big.


Two more days. Those poor sods.


I'm wondering whether the internet outrage from the Red Wedding will match that from Ned's death in season 1.


I don't think it will genuinely match it.

It will probably be way more over-hyped though.
fishjie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1519 Posts
June 01 2013 08:24 GMT
#6928
On June 01 2013 17:22 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2013 10:36 Anggroth wrote:
On June 01 2013 09:16 Vorenius wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 01 2013 08:57 Zooper31 wrote:
Ya Rob is kinda slow sometimes but he's had some big moments that really mattered. Murdering the Karstark guy and some of his council meetings have been pretty good dialogue. Excited for him maybe taking Casterly Rock that'll be big.


Two more days. Those poor sods.


I'm wondering whether the internet outrage from the Red Wedding will match that from Ned's death in season 1.


I don't think it will genuinely match it.

It will probably be way more over-hyped though.


red wedding is way more emotionally devastating than ned stark dying. i know people who literally had to put the book down and walk outside because it was too upsetting.
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
June 01 2013 08:30 GMT
#6929
On June 01 2013 17:24 fishjie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2013 17:22 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On June 01 2013 10:36 Anggroth wrote:
On June 01 2013 09:16 Vorenius wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 01 2013 08:57 Zooper31 wrote:
Ya Rob is kinda slow sometimes but he's had some big moments that really mattered. Murdering the Karstark guy and some of his council meetings have been pretty good dialogue. Excited for him maybe taking Casterly Rock that'll be big.


Two more days. Those poor sods.


I'm wondering whether the internet outrage from the Red Wedding will match that from Ned's death in season 1.


I don't think it will genuinely match it.

It will probably be way more over-hyped though.


red wedding is way more emotionally devastating than ned stark dying. i know people who literally had to put the book down and walk outside because it was too upsetting.


Yea but I don't think they've built it up as well as it was built up in the books.

I'm just skeptical about them being able to pull it off true to the books because it seems like there are so many ways they can fuck it up and they're already behind as far as the build-up goes.
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-01 10:52:10
June 01 2013 10:48 GMT
#6930
I don't think people are as attached to Robb as they were to Ned. I can imagine people who didn't read the books looking at Ned as more or less the protagonist of the whole show and someone viewers identify with.

Robb, despite his actual standing and relative importance as King of the North and a major figure in the ongoing war, has been portrayed quite blandly, to the point where he's much more of a throwaway character than Ned ever was. He didn't really stand out as a character even during his major successes, and I think that neither the actor nor the show as a whole have done his character justice (certainly not to the point where people would go mental when he gets offed).

Replacing Jeyne with some random foreign chick was also a bizarre decision that contributed to the whole "meh" feel of Robb's arc.

Edit: holy shit for a moment I thought I might have mis-posted in the non-spoiler thread. Scary shit.
DannyJ
Profile Joined March 2010
United States5110 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-01 11:03:03
June 01 2013 11:01 GMT
#6931
Well to be fair I never liked Robb at all in the books either but the wedding really threw me for a loop. I had to read it like 5 times to get a grasp on what the hell just happened. After the shock was gone though I was kind of glad he was gone, same with Cat. More time for better characters like Tyrion... 10 years later in book 5.

And yeah the whole Jeyne replacement is the oddest decision of the entire series for me.
nonsequitur
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
384 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-01 11:05:25
June 01 2013 11:02 GMT
#6932
The Red Wedding will definitely be much more devastating. At this point people are still rooting for the good guys (Starks) to win and get revenge on the Lannisters for Eddard's death. The Starks are on the ascendency and have a decent chance of victory. Arya is so close to finally being reunited with her brother and mother after going through so much.

Then Robb/Catelyn gets butchered when Arya is literally at the doorstep of the castle and in one fell swoop, the Starks are completely broken, all hope of the good guys prevailing is gone, the bad guys (Lannisters) have won and are now the biggest power in the Westeros.

Ned's death doesn't even come close.
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-01 11:05:06
June 01 2013 11:03 GMT
#6933
On June 01 2013 19:48 Talin wrote:
Replacing Jeyne with some random foreign chick was also a bizarre decision that contributed to the whole "meh" feel of Robb's arc.

As opposed to a random domestic chick? Book Jeyne is about as bland and boring as it gets. And it was really hard to understand why Robb threw everything away for her.
Off-season = best season
DannyJ
Profile Joined March 2010
United States5110 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-01 11:15:37
June 01 2013 11:06 GMT
#6934
I don't have a problem with them making her less boring, I just don't see why they also made her into some exotic free city woman. I thought it was more interesting that in books he basically gambled away a kingdom on a girl from a weak house and wasn't a knockout just because he loved her. In the show every dude in Westeros would be clambering over each other for that nice lady...
stillborn
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany119 Posts
June 01 2013 11:15 GMT
#6935
I personally do not really mind about Jayne,
it always, even in the books, came to me, that MR. Martin just needed a reason for Robb to break his vow to get his story developed. No son of Eddard of House Stark would ever break a vow!
teapot
Profile Joined October 2007
United Kingdom266 Posts
June 01 2013 11:16 GMT
#6936
I don't recall her being boring, as much as not being featured much. Most of the Robb/Jeyne thing is reported by people complaining about it and then it ends quite promptly in the Red Wedding.
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
June 01 2013 11:36 GMT
#6937
On June 01 2013 20:01 DannyJ wrote:
Well to be fair I never liked Robb at all in the books either but the wedding really threw me for a loop. I had to read it like 5 times to get a grasp on what the hell just happened. After the shock was gone though I was kind of glad he was gone, same with Cat. More time for better characters like Tyrion... 10 years later in book 5.

And yeah the whole Jeyne replacement is the oddest decision of the entire series for me.


I wasn't a big fan of Robb overall either, but at the point when his campaign was on the upswing and he broke Lannister armies several times and captured Jaime, it was easy to imagine him as "the hero". In the show he just wears the same bland face most of the time, and his "badass" moments were never really on display. It just seemed like they emphasized his mistakes and failures a lot more than his accomplishments earlier on, thus foreshadowing his demise more so than the books did in my opinion (and making him even less likeable in general).

As for Jeyne, her actual character doesn't matter either way. But there is a significant difference between the daugher of an old Lannister-aligned house with holdings on the doorstep of Casterly Rock, and a literal nobody. It just gives the whole romance plot more weight and general symbolism. She might not have been the most appropriate match for a King, but she was at least in the same league.
SpiZe
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada3640 Posts
June 01 2013 12:57 GMT
#6938
I just had the weirdest dream, I was in my kitchen speaking about the upcoming and when I mentioned Robb's future death, I heard a gasp so I turned around and Nikolaj Coster Waldau was leaning on my kitchen counter with a look of horror on his face and I was feeling so bad for having spoiled the show to him.

Well, I'm hyped for the next episode.
hooahah
Profile Joined October 2011
3752 Posts
June 01 2013 14:02 GMT
#6939
god I'm so giddy to revel in everyone's suffering

so many tears are going to flow
schmutttt
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia3856 Posts
June 01 2013 14:09 GMT
#6940
I wonder if Talisa will die in the show, or will she be the spy that a lot of people think she is?
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