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On May 31 2013 04:53 farvacola wrote:Having just reread the book, Lame Lothar really stood out to me this go 'round. He was too damn nice and cordial every time he interacted with the Starks, and nothing could be less Frey-like  In terms of the show, I really don't think there is much if any evidence pointing to what's going to happen. It's gonna hit 'em like a ton of bricks!
I don't know...people in that thread have been skeptical of Roose Bolton ever since he agreed to send Jaime on to King's Landing. I've seen a couple of posts from people who are suspicious of his presence at the wedding since he so recently defied Robb's will. Those people are probably book-readers in disguise being douches, but merely presenting their opinion in the thread could pseudo-spoil everyone else.
Unfortunately, I'm not sure the Red Wedding will have the impact for viewers that it did for us the first time we read it.
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On May 31 2013 04:49 LoLAdriankat wrote:
I wonder if any show watchers have it figured out without being spoiled. There are enough hints to know something is definitely cooking up, though one probably wouldn't notice unless he or she knows it happens. Tywin's marriage power play is basically banking on the fact that Robb Stark needs to die hierless and all the other Starks are (presumed) dead or disinherited.
Talking with a friend, he thinks Robb will die in the future. The scene when Talisa says to Robb that she is pregnant, and then Robb "When the war will be over, I will go with you" etc, that was a death flag just there :D
But he doesn't expect him to die so soon though he thinks something will go bad at the wedding and that the exchange of Arya won't be possible
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I think everyone figured out that something bad'll happen at the wedding. Grey Wind being stressed out is a huge flag.
It's just that no one expects it to be that bad.
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On May 31 2013 05:10 hooahah wrote:
Grey Wind being stressed out is a huge flag.
do we even see Grey Wind in the serie?
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On May 31 2013 05:02 ZasZ. wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2013 04:53 farvacola wrote:Having just reread the book, Lame Lothar really stood out to me this go 'round. He was too damn nice and cordial every time he interacted with the Starks, and nothing could be less Frey-like In terms of the show, I really don't think there is much if any evidence pointing to what's going to happen. It's gonna hit 'em like a ton of bricks! I don't know...people in that thread have been skeptical of Roose Bolton ever since he agreed to send Jaime on to King's Landing. I've seen a couple of posts from people who are suspicious of his presence at the wedding since he so recently defied Robb's will. Those people are probably book-readers in disguise being douches, but merely presenting their opinion in the thread could pseudo-spoil everyone else. Unfortunately, I'm not sure the Red Wedding will have the impact for viewers that it did for us the first time we read it.
Yeah, the people pointing out Roose in the show are clearly book readers or wiki-spoilers, because the show has done very little portrayal of the man; we barely even know that his sigil is the flayed man afterall. He definitely seems a bit cold and pragmatic, but the books did a far better job of emphasizing the terrible possibility that his quiet voice and reserved manner hide something far more monstrous.
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Anyone else hoping they brutally murder Talisa?
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On May 31 2013 05:23 TheFish7 wrote:
Anyone else hoping they brutally murder Talisa?
They almost have to. I don't see any other way to get around the fact that they made her pregnant in the show. Having a living, legitimate heir to Winterfell would throw a wrench into the Westeros story for the next 4 seasons. As it is, it seems like they added the pregnancy bit just to make it that much more tragic when they all die at the RW.
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On May 31 2013 05:26 ZasZ. wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2013 05:23 TheFish7 wrote:
Anyone else hoping they brutally murder Talisa? They almost have to. I don't see any other way to get around the fact that they made her pregnant in the show. Having a living, legitimate heir to Winterfell would throw a wrench into the Westeros story for the next 4 seasons. As it is, it seems like they added the pregnancy bit just to make it that much more tragic when they all die at the RW.
Yupp. In the book his wife isn't even with him at the RW and doesn't get mentioned much after Robb passes away. There is talk of her taking fertility potions to get pregnant, as well as talk that she's take Moon tea to rid herself of the pregnancy. As well that her mother created a love potion that made Robb fall in love when she was tending to his wounds. If GRRM is doing fanservice and a baby Robb is running around in some castle, I want a baby Renly to do that as well. The books are so empty without Ned, Robert, Robb and Renly. Clash of Kings ftw
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On May 31 2013 05:23 TheFish7 wrote:
Anyone else hoping they brutally murder Talisa?
I still think she's a lannister spy
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If the spy idea is true then she doesn't have to die. In that case they probably will not kill her and it becomes one of those 'reverse spoilers' where the show confirms/denies something which was to this point only an iffy theory in the books.
If she is not a spy then she has to die.
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On May 31 2013 04:53 farvacola wrote:Having just reread the book, Lame Lothar really stood out to me this go 'round. He was too damn nice and cordial every time he interacted with the Starks, and nothing could be less Frey-like In terms of the show, I really don't think there is much if any evidence pointing to what's going to happen. It's gonna hit 'em like a ton of bricks!
Yeah I just finished rereading the Catelyn + Arya POV lead-ups and Red Wedding chapters and know that I know what to look out for, everything is so obvious. It's nasty how Martin subtley hyped it, when compared to Ned's death which had no hype
I still had small hopes that it wasn't going to happen, it's made worse in the next chapter where Joffrey and Cersei are smiling like smug bastards. Granted Tywin shuts both of them down and Joff's Purple Wedding however it still grinds my gears they're so happy over something they did absoutely nothing about.
The show made me hate Cersei less with all their dumb humanising however her attitude that chapter reignited my hate for her like never before. Can't wait to read the Walk again
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Ned's death wasn't unhyped, like how much clearer prediction of the future can he give when Cercei gave Ned the line "When you play the Game of Thrones, you either win or you die". Well, surprise, Ned plays the game of thrones and loses and dies.
in fact, I would argue that for a 1st time show watcher, his death was more predictable than a 1st time book reader if neither had info about it before hand. In the books, Goff was just another character among the myriad of names, so his "airtime" to broadcast just how wicked and fucked up he is was more unnoticeable, especially for a 1st time reader who probably has hard time keeping up with half the characters already.
Show watchers get more glimpses of his personality, because his airtime in the show is greater compared to the books, when so many characters were cut off and scenes not implemented. I don't think for either side the fact that Ned's side loses the aftermath of the king's death was no surprise, but the beheading of Ned I would argue was more foreseeable for show watchers than book readers.
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I hate the ASOS Catelyn chapters. She is such a self-absorbed bitch.
She didn't bother me at all in AGOT or ACOK, but after the first Catelyn chapter in ASOS, I'm reminded why I ever hated her in my first readthrough.
edit: Haha I was just curious and looked it up and it's the lowest rated chapter in the book. I don't feel so bad anymore for hating Catelyn so much after that chapter.
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On May 31 2013 15:09 daemir wrote:
Ned's death wasn't unhyped, like how much clearer prediction of the future can he give when Cercei gave Ned the line "When you play the Game of Thrones, you either win or you die". Well, surprise, Ned plays the game of thrones and loses and dies.
in fact, I would argue that for a 1st time show watcher, his death was more predictable than a 1st time book reader if neither had info about it before hand. In the books, Goff was just another character among the myriad of names, so his "airtime" to broadcast just how wicked and fucked up he is was more unnoticeable, especially for a 1st time reader who probably has hard time keeping up with half the characters already.
Show watchers get more glimpses of his personality, because his airtime in the show is greater compared to the books, when so many characters were cut off and scenes not implemented. I don't think for either side the fact that Ned's side loses the aftermath of the king's death was no surprise, but the beheading of Ned I would argue was more foreseeable for show watchers than book readers.
Ok it wasn't "unhyped" but it was certainly considerably less hints than the Red Wedding
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I'm seeing a disturbing amount of people trying to spoil stuff for non-readers practically everywhere. There's always been a problem with all kinds of morons trying to be witty and patting themselves on the back with their stupid borderline spoiler comments (under every youtube ep trailer you see something like "wedding season in Westeros gl robb!!! hehehe" ... ), even on TL, but now it's even worse. I'd imagine it's terribly inconvenient for a show viewer, can't look at any kind of chat or comments anywhere. Even on twitch.tv the current trend seems to be blurting out spoilers in the chat of completely irrelevant streams.
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On May 31 2013 17:13 KasPra wrote:
I'm seeing a disturbing amount of people trying to spoil stuff for non-readers practically everywhere. There's always been a problem with all kinds of morons trying to be witty and patting themselves on the back with their stupid borderline spoiler comments (under every youtube ep trailer you see something like "wedding season in Westeros gl robb!!! hehehe" ... ), even on TL, but now it's even worse. I'd imagine it's terribly inconvenient for a show viewer, can't look at any kind of chat or comments anywhere. Even on twitch.tv the current trend seems to be blurting out spoilers in the chat of completely irrelevant streams.
I don't know why but this makes me laugh for some reason. Imagine watching a sc2 game and someone starts talking about joff or robb dying ^^ The guy being spoiled probably breaks his headset on the table after that ^^ If you wanna be safe stay off the internet XD
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On May 31 2013 17:13 KasPra wrote:
I'm seeing a disturbing amount of people trying to spoil stuff for non-readers practically everywhere. There's always been a problem with all kinds of morons trying to be witty and patting themselves on the back with their stupid borderline spoiler comments (under every youtube ep trailer you see something like "wedding season in Westeros gl robb!!! hehehe" ... ), even on TL, but now it's even worse. I'd imagine it's terribly inconvenient for a show viewer, can't look at any kind of chat or comments anywhere. Even on twitch.tv the current trend seems to be blurting out spoilers in the chat of completely irrelevant streams.
yeah, this is a big problem. I remember back in season 1 there was a popular image on 9gag where Robb laughed at Jaime for losing an arm (in the future).
What the shit people.
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On May 28 2013 10:04 Irrelevant Label wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2013 07:10 Dosey wrote:On May 28 2013 06:45 Redox wrote:On May 28 2013 06:28 Irrelevant Label wrote:On May 28 2013 06:26 Zozo wrote:
If that was to happen, who do you guys think Sandor would champion for?
Brienne? Jaime? Nymeria Sand? Arya? Himself? No one, just a random 1x1 bo1 without a crowd to watch? The Faith. They are the ones charging Cersei with her treasons after all. There is little doubt he is their best swordsman. Damn you might be on to something. Would totally fit. Except Cersei/Strong HAVE to win in order for her to outlive her children, and for the prophecy of Jaime/Tyrion killing her. Plus it is too soon. The books aFfC and aDwD may have been 7 years apart, but in actuality they are happening simultaneously. Do you really think Sandor would be in fit physical condition to even qualify for being their best fighter with that lame leg and having been on the brink of death? No. IF it does happen, it wouldn't be anytime soon and definitely wouldn't be to champion against Cersei. She could lose and they might kill Tommen before her. Hard to say with Myrcella given where she is. They might not plan to kill her at all if she loses. Remember the culture here. She is just a wanton woman who tempted these men, that does not usually carry a death penalty. Their default course of action would be something like forcing her into some group like the silent sisters. My bet is she does something else which gets herself killed. Maybe she loses it, similar to what happened with Cat, after they kill Tommen? Maegi never said "your valonquar", it is "the valonquar". Everyone assumes Tyrion or Jaime, and that is reasonable and if forced to say a name I choose Jaime myself, but once again there is a spot for Sandor here... She also never said that they had to die before her, it is just the (again seemingly reasonable) assumption based on their wearing golden shrouds before Cersei dies. Wasn't Myrcella wearing a golden shroud lately to hide her scar? She was briefly held to be a queen by a handful of people in the plot that earned her that scar. She could already fulfill her part of the requirement.
My personal fun wild speculation: I think it'd actually be really satisfying to see Cersei think she'll be killed by Tyrion only to be somehow killed by "little brother" Jon or Bran, with the bitter realization that it was after all that time a Stark who finished her (perhaps she'll even die believing that the Starks finished off the Lannister family line).
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+ Show Spoiler +On June 01 2013 06:40 TheRealPaciFist wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2013 10:04 Irrelevant Label wrote:On May 28 2013 07:10 Dosey wrote:On May 28 2013 06:45 Redox wrote:On May 28 2013 06:28 Irrelevant Label wrote:On May 28 2013 06:26 Zozo wrote:
If that was to happen, who do you guys think Sandor would champion for?
Brienne? Jaime? Nymeria Sand? Arya? Himself? No one, just a random 1x1 bo1 without a crowd to watch? The Faith. They are the ones charging Cersei with her treasons after all. There is little doubt he is their best swordsman. Damn you might be on to something. Would totally fit. Except Cersei/Strong HAVE to win in order for her to outlive her children, and for the prophecy of Jaime/Tyrion killing her. Plus it is too soon. The books aFfC and aDwD may have been 7 years apart, but in actuality they are happening simultaneously. Do you really think Sandor would be in fit physical condition to even qualify for being their best fighter with that lame leg and having been on the brink of death? No. IF it does happen, it wouldn't be anytime soon and definitely wouldn't be to champion against Cersei. She could lose and they might kill Tommen before her. Hard to say with Myrcella given where she is. They might not plan to kill her at all if she loses. Remember the culture here. She is just a wanton woman who tempted these men, that does not usually carry a death penalty. Their default course of action would be something like forcing her into some group like the silent sisters. My bet is she does something else which gets herself killed. Maybe she loses it, similar to what happened with Cat, after they kill Tommen? Maegi never said "your valonquar", it is "the valonquar". Everyone assumes Tyrion or Jaime, and that is reasonable and if forced to say a name I choose Jaime myself, but once again there is a spot for Sandor here... She also never said that they had to die before her, it is just the (again seemingly reasonable) assumption based on their wearing golden shrouds before Cersei dies. Wasn't Myrcella wearing a golden shroud lately to hide her scar? She was briefly held to be a queen by a handful of people in the plot that earned her that scar. She could already fulfill her part of the requirement. My personal fun wild speculation: I think it'd actually be really satisfying to see Cersei think she'll be killed by Tyrion only to be somehow killed by "little brother" Jon or Bran, with the bitter realization that it was after all that time a Stark who finished her (perhaps she'll even die believing that the Starks finished off the Lannister family line).
im calling rickon!
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No, dummies- it's definitively going to be Sansa. When Littlefinger is done upgrading her and she jumps out of his pokeball, she will be fearsome at the game.
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