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On May 15 2013 00:56 DragonLord wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2013 00:40 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:
Do you guys think its possible we get a massive spoiler when Sam meets coldhands?
I mean, on tv we might find out that coldhands is Benjen Stark!
That would be some kind of reverse spoiler from the show :3 I don't think we will see Coldhands face. They don't ever say Bran saw it in the book, and Bran would recognize his uncle I'm sure. Also, relating to Talisa/Jeyne's pregnancy and murder - I don't think it would give away anything about her being a spy? It is quite heavily implied in the series and the books, but she doesn't die in the books so why would she in the series? Also, what was the point of changing her name in the series, does anyone know offhand?
They changed Jeyne's character more and more, to the point that they figured they might as well create an entirely new character in her place. So she got a different name, too.
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Assuming ColdHands doesn't get cut, we'll most likely see a hooded figure (possibly with nose/mouth wrapped in cloth as well), and they'll most likely not shoot his face. Even if it is Benjen (plot-wise), it will do no good to confirm it.
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On May 15 2013 01:06 moopie wrote:
Assuming ColdHands doesn't get cut, we'll most likely see a hooded figure (possibly with nose/mouth wrapped in cloth as well), and they'll most likely not shoot his face. Even if it is Benjen (plot-wise), it will do no good to confirm it.
Wouldn't we already know, anyhow, given that the actor playing Benjen would've been in this season? It's pretty hard to hide such things.
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On May 15 2013 01:10 Conti wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2013 01:06 moopie wrote:
Assuming ColdHands doesn't get cut, we'll most likely see a hooded figure (possibly with nose/mouth wrapped in cloth as well), and they'll most likely not shoot his face. Even if it is Benjen (plot-wise), it will do no good to confirm it. Wouldn't we already know, anyhow, given that the actor playing Benjen would've been in this season? It's pretty hard to hide such things.
But thats the thing, if they're not going for a reveal, there's no need to cast the same actor.
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Netherlands6191 Posts
On May 15 2013 01:02 Conti wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2013 00:56 DragonLord wrote:On May 15 2013 00:40 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:
Do you guys think its possible we get a massive spoiler when Sam meets coldhands?
I mean, on tv we might find out that coldhands is Benjen Stark!
That would be some kind of reverse spoiler from the show :3 I don't think we will see Coldhands face. They don't ever say Bran saw it in the book, and Bran would recognize his uncle I'm sure. Also, relating to Talisa/Jeyne's pregnancy and murder - I don't think it would give away anything about her being a spy? It is quite heavily implied in the series and the books, but she doesn't die in the books so why would she in the series? Also, what was the point of changing her name in the series, does anyone know offhand? They changed Jeyne's character more and more, to the point that they figured they might as well create an entirely new character in her place. So she got a different name, too.
I don't understand why they didn't just stick with the original Jeyne though, I'm not sure what they were trying to achieve with changing her so completely. To add some sort of character development to Robb? To build up audience sympathies so they could brutally slaughter him?
I was also wondering about why they changed Asha Greyjoy to Yara, but decided not to be lazy and so I googled it - apparently it had something to do with it sounding too similar to Osha, incase anyone wanted to know 
Also about the Bolton thing, I'm not sure why but right from the beginning I assumed it was Roose Bolton who struck Robb. Was it not specific in the book? Why is there confusion about it?
Edit: I tried looking it up but it doesn't say anything specific :/ I'd reference the book if I still had it.
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they way ygritte won't stop trying to make fun of a jon and moving her mouth in weird ways is getting extremely annoying, move along already.
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On May 15 2013 01:15 DragonLord wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2013 01:02 Conti wrote:On May 15 2013 00:56 DragonLord wrote:On May 15 2013 00:40 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:
Do you guys think its possible we get a massive spoiler when Sam meets coldhands?
I mean, on tv we might find out that coldhands is Benjen Stark!
That would be some kind of reverse spoiler from the show :3 I don't think we will see Coldhands face. They don't ever say Bran saw it in the book, and Bran would recognize his uncle I'm sure. Also, relating to Talisa/Jeyne's pregnancy and murder - I don't think it would give away anything about her being a spy? It is quite heavily implied in the series and the books, but she doesn't die in the books so why would she in the series? Also, what was the point of changing her name in the series, does anyone know offhand? They changed Jeyne's character more and more, to the point that they figured they might as well create an entirely new character in her place. So she got a different name, too. I don't understand why they didn't just stick with the original Jeyne though, I'm not sure what they were trying to achieve with changing her so completely. To add some sort of character development to Robb? To build up audience sympathies so they could brutally slaughter him?
My guess is that Jeyne would have to be introduced way too late in the season, not giving the writers enough time to establish a proper relationship between her and Robb. In the books, she just comes out of the blue, after all, and Robb is already married. With Talisa, they could show how she got to know Robb, fall in love, etc. so the audience could make more of a connection with her.
Not saying I fully agree with that, but that's my guess as to why it happened.
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Netherlands6191 Posts
On May 15 2013 01:20 Conti wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2013 01:15 DragonLord wrote:On May 15 2013 01:02 Conti wrote:On May 15 2013 00:56 DragonLord wrote:On May 15 2013 00:40 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:
Do you guys think its possible we get a massive spoiler when Sam meets coldhands?
I mean, on tv we might find out that coldhands is Benjen Stark!
That would be some kind of reverse spoiler from the show :3 I don't think we will see Coldhands face. They don't ever say Bran saw it in the book, and Bran would recognize his uncle I'm sure. Also, relating to Talisa/Jeyne's pregnancy and murder - I don't think it would give away anything about her being a spy? It is quite heavily implied in the series and the books, but she doesn't die in the books so why would she in the series? Also, what was the point of changing her name in the series, does anyone know offhand? They changed Jeyne's character more and more, to the point that they figured they might as well create an entirely new character in her place. So she got a different name, too. I don't understand why they didn't just stick with the original Jeyne though, I'm not sure what they were trying to achieve with changing her so completely. To add some sort of character development to Robb? To build up audience sympathies so they could brutally slaughter him? My guess is that Jeyne would have to be introduced way too late in the season, not giving the writers enough time to establish a proper relationship between her and Robb. In the books, she just comes out of the blue, after all, and Robb is already married. With Talisa, they could show how she got to know Robb, fall in love, etc. so the audience could make more of a connection with her. Not saying I fully agree with that, but that's my guess as to why it happened.
Yeah, thats what I was trying to say, it wasn't very clear though. Also, to make this post less pointless, I quite like the art depicting the RW. -> http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/File:Red_Wedding_by_FatherStone.jpg
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Jeyne / Talisa thing is strictly because it's a series and not a book. Everyone is always pregnant or going to college or having a summer adventure. She's there but it has nothing to do with the story. Maybe to point out that Robb is still a boy and not a butcher like Tywin ("How am I supposed to win a war with you laying there like that"? Obvious answer is you have her at a distance when you're in war).
Tyrion being a Targaryen? ^^ I suppose in theory it is possibly Would be one hell of a twist though. Can we link Rickon to Rhaegar as well?
And about the Theon torture part - in the book you get it from his perspective and for obvious reasons he doesn't speak of his torture. Instead we get his rambling thoughts and to piece something together from them. The series shows exactly what happens and complements the book really well. You get events from different perspectives.
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Hey guys, without reading the rest of this thread (to avoid spoilers), can someone tell me where the show currently is in relation to the books? I know game of thrones is only the first book in the song of fire and ice series. I was wondering if they went 1 season per book and they're just keeping it with the game of thrones name, or if its still somehow on the first book. Thanks.
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On May 15 2013 01:45 da_head wrote:
Hey guys, without reading the rest of this thread (to avoid spoilers), can someone tell me where the show currently is in relation to the books? I know game of thrones is only the first book in the song of fire and ice series. I was wondering if they went 1 season per book and they're just keeping it with the game of thrones name, or if its still somehow on the first book. Thanks.
Keeping with the GoT name despite the series being aSoIaF. We're on book 3 at the moment.
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On May 15 2013 01:45 da_head wrote:
Hey guys, without reading the rest of this thread (to avoid spoilers), can someone tell me where the show currently is in relation to the books? I know game of thrones is only the first book in the song of fire and ice series. I was wondering if they went 1 season per book and they're just keeping it with the game of thrones name, or if its still somehow on the first book. Thanks.
First season was the first book. Second season the second. The third season is - very roughly speaking - the first half of the third book.
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On May 14 2013 06:22 Odoakar wrote:
I feel sorry for the people who think the current episodes are too slow-paced.
Wait till we get to Dany acting like a Book I Sansa and Tyrion piggyback riding his way to the East. Last two books were just so incredibly boring.
oh lawd, Dany was far worse than book I Sansa in book 5. Even all the upper middle class early 20s white psuedo-feminist fangirls who only started watching the show because of Dany are going to start hating her. If the writers have any kindness whatsoever they'll just cut out 3/4ths of Dany's book 5 stuff and do the dragon/arena scene early in the season and then don't do any more distracting, disjointed, and unrelated Dany scenes and let the viewers enjoy the main story uninterrupted. That's what Dany felt like in book 5... pointless interruptions of the actual story.
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On May 15 2013 00:40 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:
Do you guys think its possible we get a massive spoiler when Sam meets coldhands?
I mean, on tv we might find out that coldhands is Benjen Stark!
That would be some kind of reverse spoiler from the show :3
One of the Children of the Forest says that Coldhands has been around for a long time, seeing as how the Children of the Forest are hundreds of years old, a long time to them pretty much rules out Benjen Stark.
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i enjoy dany's story, fu haters 
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I just don't understand the whole point of making her pregnant... if she's pregnant, they HAVE to kill her. Otherwise LF's manipulation of Sansa, Stannis's offer to Jon, and Davos's quest for Rickon become completely pointless and irrelevant because Lord Robb Starks son automatically becomes heir to Winterfell. (Oh, and Ramsay's marriage to "Arya" becomes pointless as well)
That's why they kept Tully alive after the wedding. They wanted him to provide a legal heir so that Riverrun didn't fall to the Blackfish by default.
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On May 14 2013 02:26 c0ldfusion wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 01:15 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:On May 14 2013 01:11 Xivsa wrote:On May 14 2013 01:06 Conti wrote:
I liked the warging reference that was made about Jon.
And now I'm wondering if people in the other thread will have magically predicted it to be a warging reference already. Let's see.. What reference? the warg wildling told jon snow's chick she wouldnt like him once she found out what he was or something along those lines. That doesn't make a lot of sense in the context of that conversation though considering Orell is a warg himself and he's trying to hit on Ygritte.
Exactly. I'm fairly certain Orell was referring to the fact that Jon Snow, to his mind, is still a crow at heart and not a wildling. He's referred to Jon's true loyalty earlier I think, back when Mance was sending them on their little adventure. But it seems that Ygritte is fine with that, given the scene where Jon stammers through a quasi-confession.
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On May 15 2013 02:48 TheFish7 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2013 00:40 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:
Do you guys think its possible we get a massive spoiler when Sam meets coldhands?
I mean, on tv we might find out that coldhands is Benjen Stark!
That would be some kind of reverse spoiler from the show :3 One of the Children of the Forest says that Coldhands has been around for a long time, seeing as how the Children of the Forest are hundreds of years old, a long time to them pretty much rules out Benjen Stark.
It still stands that a coldhands reveal might be one of those "reverse spoilers". It just can't be Benjen.
I wonder if they would/will role merge Coldhands and Bloodraven. Depending on how it was done that could be telling in a number of different directions.
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On May 15 2013 04:50 Dosey wrote:
I just don't understand the whole point of making her pregnant... if she's pregnant, they HAVE to kill her. Otherwise LF's manipulation of Sansa, Stannis's offer to Jon, and Davos's quest for Rickon become completely pointless and irrelevant because Lord Robb Starks son automatically becomes heir to Winterfell. (Oh, and Ramsay's marriage to "Arya" becomes pointless as well)
That's why they kept Tully alive after the wedding. They wanted him to provide a legal heir so that Riverrun didn't fall to the Blackfish by default.
This is not exactly a change, it may be in fact a spoiler. Jaime and Catelyn's describe Jeyne differently, and she could be hiding with Robb's son while the "Jeyne" that met the kingslayer being a decoy. Most people seem to think that she is with the Blackfish.
From the wiki: "It has been noted by fans that the descriptions of Jeyne as given by Jaime and Catelyn do not match. In A Storm of Swords Catelyn Tully describes her as a undeniable pretty young woman, slender but with good hips (a factor which may suggest a fertile woman). Jaime Lannister in A Feast For Crows describes her as a pretty girl, but not a girl to lose a kingdom for. He also notes that she has narrow hips. This difference has been the source for a number of speculations about Jeyne's fate."
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How does that make sense? Jaime met Jeyne with her mother, who conspired the red wedding with Tywin, no? You'd think the mother would have brought the real Jeyne there and not hide her with the Blackfish?
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