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On May 13 2013 05:01 Ender985 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 04:46 risk.nuke wrote:
Considering he's my favourite character at the moment. He's gonna die. Though not before we see some interaction between Jamie and Cersei probably so not yet and not by stoneheart. I think this as well. Cersei is probably going to be murdered by Jaime before he bites it, since her other valonqar is a bit too far away at the moment for that. I'd rather see Stoneheart go, since she does not seem to serve any kind of purpose to the overall story other than being spooky and a vengeful shade of her former self. I think Brienne might do it, since that would give her storyarc some purpose, but I still don't see how she'd get to that when bringing Jaime into the BwB. I don't know.
Not to mention her other valonqar just might possibly be only a half valonqar. It is strongly hinted in aDwD that Tyrion is actually part Targaryen and the third dragon head.
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On May 13 2013 05:01 Ender985 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 04:46 risk.nuke wrote:
Considering he's my favourite character at the moment. He's gonna die. Though not before we see some interaction between Jamie and Cersei probably so not yet and not by stoneheart. I think this as well. Cersei is probably going to be murdered by Jaime before he bites it, since her other valonqar is a bit too far away at the moment for that. I'd rather see Stoneheart go, since she does not seem to serve any kind of purpose to the overall story other than being spooky and a vengeful shade of her former self. I think Brienne might do it, since that would give her storyarc some purpose, but I still don't see how she'd get to that when bringing Jaime into the BwB. I don't know.
Maybe I'm too naive, but I think Jaime might actually survive. As someone who started out as an antagonist, mutilated, turned somewhat decent, he might have suffered enough to actually survive. However, me thinking he might survive probably just means he will die for sure, haha.
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On May 13 2013 03:49 Nevuk wrote:
Jaime specifically refers to the sigil of the flayed man of the Boltons when Locke captures him (something about it not being his favorite flag) and at one point last seasons Roose Bolton says something like "a flayed man has no secrets" and Robb says that Ned outlawed that. (Which is that even true in the books? I thought someone gave some piece of Theon's skin to Robb). I think that's about all the evidence people strictly have from the show.
The red wedding feels less obvious in the show than it does in the books, a SoS really hammers in a lot just how bad Robb's position is (also it makes it more clear how big a breach of honor it was and that the Freys are actually a rather large part of Robb's forces, things like guest rules or whatever they're called). Granted I didn't expect the RW exactly, I didn't expect Robb to make it through the book. I was one of those who was glad when Catelyn died though. Her PoV was extremely aggravating.
I also also think that the RW will be less impactful in the show because of the lack of any major characters besides Robb/Catelyn dying (no Greatjon or minor advisers, etc.). Compressing book 2 into one season really hurt Robb's storyline, no Tullys and not enough time to fully flesh out Robb, especially Robb's time where it does look like he's winning.
I think strict show watchers are aware that Robb probably doesn't have long for this world, but predicting that it's going to happen at a wedding from a full assault from troops is silly - that's why it was such a surprise in the books, things like that simply aren't done at weddings. Predicting he might be assassinated at a wedding is reasonable, but predicting that he's going to be attacked the second he walks in the door is a little... off.
On the otherhand I think they are giving more attention to Blackfish than the book did. Which is nice... I mean in the book it's awesome how that bad ass Tully comes out of nowhere but the show needs more time to build the character to be a legend.
Definitely someone I am looking forward to in the next book.
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I don't know.. I don't see how Danny would spare any Lannisters when she arrives, appart from maybe Tyrion.
Then maybe Danny never makes it to westeros so who knows xD
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On May 13 2013 05:17 0x64 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 03:49 Nevuk wrote:
Jaime specifically refers to the sigil of the flayed man of the Boltons when Locke captures him (something about it not being his favorite flag) and at one point last seasons Roose Bolton says something like "a flayed man has no secrets" and Robb says that Ned outlawed that. (Which is that even true in the books? I thought someone gave some piece of Theon's skin to Robb). I think that's about all the evidence people strictly have from the show.
The red wedding feels less obvious in the show than it does in the books, a SoS really hammers in a lot just how bad Robb's position is (also it makes it more clear how big a breach of honor it was and that the Freys are actually a rather large part of Robb's forces, things like guest rules or whatever they're called). Granted I didn't expect the RW exactly, I didn't expect Robb to make it through the book. I was one of those who was glad when Catelyn died though. Her PoV was extremely aggravating.
I also also think that the RW will be less impactful in the show because of the lack of any major characters besides Robb/Catelyn dying (no Greatjon or minor advisers, etc.). Compressing book 2 into one season really hurt Robb's storyline, no Tullys and not enough time to fully flesh out Robb, especially Robb's time where it does look like he's winning.
I think strict show watchers are aware that Robb probably doesn't have long for this world, but predicting that it's going to happen at a wedding from a full assault from troops is silly - that's why it was such a surprise in the books, things like that simply aren't done at weddings. Predicting he might be assassinated at a wedding is reasonable, but predicting that he's going to be attacked the second he walks in the door is a little... off. On the otherhand I think they are giving more attention to Blackfish than the book did. Which is nice... I mean in the book it's awesome how that bad ass Tully comes out of nowhere but the show needs more time to build the character to be a legend. Definitely someone I am looking forward to in the next book.
I'm hoping they don't kill the Blackfish at the RW. It would make later seasons a bit... awkward.
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How did you guys react to the zombie making of characters like uncat?
Cause it killed it for me. I will only read the last books only out of curiosity now, honestly I think the books suck.
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On May 13 2013 05:40 Steveling wrote:
How did you guys react to the zombie making of characters like uncat?
Cause it killed it for me. I will only read the last books only out of curiosity now, honestly I think the books suck.
I don't like any kind of resurrection either and we will probably have unJon in the next book.
The only book that sucked for me was the last one but only because it had so many Daeneris chapters..
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From what I understand it's not completely explicit that Jon died, just that he was stabbed. Would be interesting to get perspective of an uncharacter
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On May 13 2013 05:40 Steveling wrote:
How did you guys react to the zombie making of characters like uncat?
Cause it killed it for me. I will only read the last books only out of curiosity now, honestly I think the books suck.
If you dislike the undead so much, perhaps you should have stopped reading after the prologue of GoT, no?
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On May 13 2013 05:56 Dosey wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 05:40 Steveling wrote:
How did you guys react to the zombie making of characters like uncat?
Cause it killed it for me. I will only read the last books only out of curiosity now, honestly I think the books suck. If you dislike the undead so much, perhaps you should have stopped reading after the prologue of GoT, no?
It's not like that dude rofl.
I mean about the cheap trick he used to bring back a dead character, cause he said in an intereview it was hard for him to kill cat/rob.
It totally killed the immersion for me, the writer can not do stuff like that.
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On May 13 2013 06:02 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 05:56 Dosey wrote:On May 13 2013 05:40 Steveling wrote:
How did you guys react to the zombie making of characters like uncat?
Cause it killed it for me. I will only read the last books only out of curiosity now, honestly I think the books suck. If you dislike the undead so much, perhaps you should have stopped reading after the prologue of GoT, no? It's not like that dude rofl. I mean about the cheap trick he used to bring back a dead character, cause he said in an intereview it was hard for him to kill cat/rob. It totally killed the immersion for me, the writer can not do stuff like that.
I honestly don't think cat is back.. whatever she is isn't her
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On May 13 2013 05:51 Nevuk wrote:
From what I understand it's not completely explicit that Jon died, just that he was stabbed. Would be interesting to get perspective of an uncharacter
If he's not dead it would be pretty lame after the cliffhanger.
We all know Jon is not gone, he will be resurrected by Melisandre, like Thoros did with Dondarrion, or he will change bodies as a warg.
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On May 13 2013 05:56 Dosey wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 05:40 Steveling wrote:
How did you guys react to the zombie making of characters like uncat?
Cause it killed it for me. I will only read the last books only out of curiosity now, honestly I think the books suck. If you dislike the undead so much, perhaps you should have stopped reading after the prologue of GoT, no?
Nah he somewhat has a point - Cat was one of the most annoying characters and uncat is just UNbelievably annoying :>
I also felt it somewhat was out of place and was, in comparison to other very elegant solutions how some characters seized to exist or transformed, just not very well done. My guess is even Martin was sick of her and shut her up by making her a mute zombie.
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On May 13 2013 06:02 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 05:56 Dosey wrote:On May 13 2013 05:40 Steveling wrote:
How did you guys react to the zombie making of characters like uncat?
Cause it killed it for me. I will only read the last books only out of curiosity now, honestly I think the books suck. If you dislike the undead so much, perhaps you should have stopped reading after the prologue of GoT, no? It's not like that dude rofl. I mean about the cheap trick he used to bring back a dead character, cause he said in an intereview it was hard for him to kill cat/rob. It totally killed the immersion for me, the writer can not do stuff like that.
Just because a character was difficult to kill does not mean they were PnJ'd into resurrection because they were difficult to kill. Berric was the first character brought back and we knew absolutely nothing about him. UnCat serves a purpose. He didn't just resurrect her on a whim.
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On May 13 2013 06:02 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 05:56 Dosey wrote:On May 13 2013 05:40 Steveling wrote:
How did you guys react to the zombie making of characters like uncat?
Cause it killed it for me. I will only read the last books only out of curiosity now, honestly I think the books suck. If you dislike the undead so much, perhaps you should have stopped reading after the prologue of GoT, no? It's not like that dude rofl. I mean about the cheap trick he used to bring back a dead character, cause he said in an intereview it was hard for him to kill cat/rob. It totally killed the immersion for me, the writer can not do stuff like that.
Why not?
I mean, sure, if a writer does this all the time, we stop caring about the death of a character, because, well, the writer is just gonna revive the character anyhow. So reviving characters is a bad idea, generally speaking. But here, we have a book series where every character can die, and they do die permanently. We know that GRRM has no problem killing off main characters for good. So we still fear for a character's death, even knowing that revival is a possibility. So why is this a bad thing?
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On May 13 2013 06:07 Dosey wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 06:02 Steveling wrote:On May 13 2013 05:56 Dosey wrote:On May 13 2013 05:40 Steveling wrote:
How did you guys react to the zombie making of characters like uncat?
Cause it killed it for me. I will only read the last books only out of curiosity now, honestly I think the books suck. If you dislike the undead so much, perhaps you should have stopped reading after the prologue of GoT, no? It's not like that dude rofl. I mean about the cheap trick he used to bring back a dead character, cause he said in an intereview it was hard for him to kill cat/rob. It totally killed the immersion for me, the writer can not do stuff like that. Just because a character was difficult to kill does not mean they were PnJ'd into resurrection because they were difficult to kill. Berric was the first character brought back and we knew absolutely nothing about him. UnCat serves a purpose. He didn't just resurrect her on a whim.
Ofc he did, that's why he's grrm and not homer or dante.
He just needs uncat to finish some business(taking revenge for the whole stark family cause it's gonna be a long time before arya's time comes) and he couldn't find a better way to do it.
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Did Melisandre meet with Arya and/or the brotherhood in the books?
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On May 13 2013 06:27 Zeon0 wrote:
Did Melisandre meet with Arya and/or the brotherhood in the books?
She didn't iirc
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On May 13 2013 06:27 Zeon0 wrote:
Did Melisandre meet with Arya and/or the brotherhood in the books?
no, at least not yet
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On May 13 2013 06:13 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 06:07 Dosey wrote:On May 13 2013 06:02 Steveling wrote:On May 13 2013 05:56 Dosey wrote:On May 13 2013 05:40 Steveling wrote:
How did you guys react to the zombie making of characters like uncat?
Cause it killed it for me. I will only read the last books only out of curiosity now, honestly I think the books suck. If you dislike the undead so much, perhaps you should have stopped reading after the prologue of GoT, no? It's not like that dude rofl. I mean about the cheap trick he used to bring back a dead character, cause he said in an intereview it was hard for him to kill cat/rob. It totally killed the immersion for me, the writer can not do stuff like that. Just because a character was difficult to kill does not mean they were PnJ'd into resurrection because they were difficult to kill. Berric was the first character brought back and we knew absolutely nothing about him. UnCat serves a purpose. He didn't just resurrect her on a whim. Ofc he did, that's why he's grrm and not homer or dante. He just needs uncat to finish some business(taking revenge for the whole stark family cause it's gonna be a long time before arya's time comes) and he couldn't find a better way to do it.
We clearly aren't reading the same book series.
Either that or you are just a troll.
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