EPT[TV/BOOK] *SPOILERS* Game of Thrones Discussion - Page 312
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SPOILER WARNING If you only watch the show, this thread will spoil you of future events in HBO's Game of Thrones. Thread contains discussion of all books of the series A Song of Ice and Fire Click Here for the spoiler-free thread. | ||
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Z-BosoN
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Gentso
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Nevuk
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The red wedding feels less obvious in the show than it does in the books, a SoS really hammers in a lot just how bad Robb's position is (also it makes it more clear how big a breach of honor it was and that the Freys are actually a rather large part of Robb's forces, things like guest rules or whatever they're called). Granted I didn't expect the RW exactly, I didn't expect Robb to make it through the book. I was one of those who was glad when Catelyn died though. Her PoV was extremely aggravating. I also also think that the RW will be less impactful in the show because of the lack of any major characters besides Robb/Catelyn dying (no Greatjon or minor advisers, etc.). Compressing book 2 into one season really hurt Robb's storyline, no Tullys and not enough time to fully flesh out Robb, especially Robb's time where it does look like he's winning. I think strict show watchers are aware that Robb probably doesn't have long for this world, but predicting that it's going to happen at a wedding from a full assault from troops is silly - that's why it was such a surprise in the books, things like that simply aren't done at weddings. Predicting he might be assassinated at a wedding is reasonable, but predicting that he's going to be attacked the second he walks in the door is a little... off. | ||
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kafkaesque
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On May 13 2013 02:58 Skilledblob wrote: even in the books you knew that something wasnt right. As I said, everyone but me saw it coming from a mile away. | ||
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Redox
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On May 13 2013 03:40 Ender985 wrote: Well one of my co-workers is an avid show watcher but has not read the books, and he came to me after the Karstark incident and he told me Robb was fucked and probably going to die soon. So while it is true that in the other thread there are a lot of people with "too accurate predictions", the show is hinting at the RW much more strongly than the book did. I mean in the book, when Robb drank Frey's water and eat his bread and salt, I was sure nothing bad would happen to him in there. Well I thought I heard the scary music from "Jaws" when I read that. Because the bread and salt thing was never mentioned like that before. | ||
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Nevuk
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I wouldn't say this in the show thread because it is a hint about the PW. | ||
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daemir
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dravernor
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Z-BosoN
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On May 13 2013 03:49 kafkaesque wrote: As I said, everyone but me saw it coming from a mile away. Nah dude... when I read it, I had been spoilered that some major shit was about to go down near the end of book 3, and I still didn't see it. There are hints if you read it over again, but even so, it's a difficult conclusion to reach. Killing guests in your own home in Westeros is like the worst thing you can do, so I was not expecting a high lord, such as walder frey, to kill the fucking king in the north, in a WEDDING, in his OWN HOME. I think everyone who saw it a mile away prob knew it was coming, it's a big big stretch to figure out that robb is going to be murdered in the fashion that he was. | ||
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Nevuk
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On May 13 2013 03:59 daemir wrote: Stannis' letters about the incest were spread wide and how hard is it to figure out the blond hair thing after it's pointed out to you. QoT is rather intelligent and even Ned figured the thing in the end. Oh yeah, I mean I definitely think the QoT believed it in the book as well but I don't recall any hints that were quite as obvious as that (especially with her scene with Tywin where he points out that she's marrying her grand daughter to Joffrey so she clearly doesn't care if people think he's the product of incest or not). Tywin thinks he's won the exchange but... in book hindsight, it's more obvious she's playing the long game with Tywin in that exchange (though the whole Loras thing is just getting ridiculous). Also, the show runners in the behind the episode video for the Tywin/Olenna scene state that they think Tywin refuses to believe the rumors and that that is his largest weakness. I say things like this in this thread and not the other one because I'm trying not to be an asshole, even though none of it is strictly a spoiler, if I pointed out these then people would probably think that the information IS important, which is a spoiler that I didn't gain from the show. | ||
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Gentso
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On May 13 2013 03:40 Ender985 wrote: Well one of my co-workers is an avid show watcher but has not read the books, and he came to me after the Karstark incident and he told me Robb was fucked and probably going to die soon. So while it is true that in the other thread there are a lot of people with "too accurate predictions", the show is hinting at the RW much more strongly than the book did. I mean in the book, when Robb drank Frey's water and eat his bread and salt, I was sure nothing bad would happen to him in there. I would argue that anyone who's telling you that anyone will die soon probably spoiled themselves already in one way or another. If GOT teaches anything, it's to expect the unexpected. People are always fucked in Westeros. Sure, Robb is losing a war pretty badly but why does that exactly mean he's going to die? Balon rebelled and he lived. Robb still has his army and he's in the Riverlands. It's not like he's been captured. Why hasn't anyone predicted Jamie would die while he was prisoner, like Ned Stark? I feel like if I were watching the show without reading the books I'd just feel like Robb is in a bad position, but I wouldn't automatically start assuming he should die because of it. My coworkers and friends are completely oblivious on the other hand. They don't know who's torturing Theon and none has mentioned the possibility of Robb dying to me once. | ||
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Figgy
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The show even makes fun of the show watchers having absolutely no idea while poking at the book readers by making Theon guess. | ||
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ACrow
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On May 13 2013 04:06 Z-BosoN wrote: Nah dude... when I read it, I had been spoilered that some major shit was about to go down near the end of book 3, and I still didn't see it. There are hints if you read it over again, but even so, it's a difficult conclusion to reach. Killing guests in your own home in Westeros is like the worst thing you can do, so I was not expecting a high lord, such as walder frey, to kill the fucking king in the north, in a WEDDING, in his OWN HOME. I think everyone who saw it a mile away prob knew it was coming, it's a big big stretch to figure out that robb is going to be murdered in the fashion that he was. I felt the same way, it was one of the best moments reading a book I ever had, I was super surprised and read the chapter once over, thinking "that cannot be, he cannot be that cruel yet again". I was blown away. I think kafkaesque is just poking fun at people who claim that they weren't surprised at all, 'cause they're oh so smart. There are a lot of those people around here  | ||
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Figgy
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Conti
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On May 13 2013 04:22 Figgy wrote: Hey, I've got a great idea. How about not letting anyone with less than 200 posts go in the TV thread for Game of Thrones? Easy fix? Yes! This, however, sounds like a good idea. | ||
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dravernor
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On May 13 2013 04:22 Figgy wrote: Hey, I've got a great idea. How about not letting anyone with less than 200 posts go in the TV thread for Game of Thrones? Easy fix? Yes! That would make me sad, but I think it would solve a few things. Haha find it quite funny how this thread has devolved into a discussion of the other thread rather than the books. | ||
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Figgy
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On May 13 2013 04:31 DragonLord wrote: That would make me sad, but I think it would solve a few things. Haha find it quite funny how this thread has devolved into a discussion of the other thread rather than the books. Is uncat going to kill Jamie?? Yes/No?! | ||
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Kevin_Sorbo
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and Cat has been so goddamn annoying... | ||
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risk.nuke
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Ender985
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On May 13 2013 04:46 risk.nuke wrote: Considering he's my favourite character at the moment. He's gonna die. Though not before we see some interaction between Jamie and Cersei probably so not yet and not by stoneheart. I think this as well. Cersei is probably going to be murdered by Jaime before he bites it, since her other valonqar is a bit too far away at the moment for that. I'd rather see Stoneheart go, since she does not seem to serve any kind of purpose to the overall story other than being spooky and a vengeful shade of her former self. I think Brienne might do it, since that would give her storyarc some purpose, but I still don't see how she'd get to that when bringing Jaime into the BwB. I don't know. | ||
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