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On April 30 2013 08:39 czylu wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2013 04:00 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On April 30 2013 03:50 czylu wrote:
does some1 have a sinking feeling that when the RW comes, there will be some people who WON'T die? Edmure Tully? Who do you mean? i mean i don't think they're gonna kill off robb stark. I know the show is hinting it, but for some reason, I really think they're just gonna split from the books here.
They stated in multiple interviews that they were really looking forward to this particular scene when they decided to film the show. I am certain they will show it similarly to the books (in fact that they might even kill Robb's wife in the series).
On April 30 2013 09:17 Thrill wrote:
Really bad episode, you could tell this was the one where they had to cram in a lot of build up. Most scenes just ended up feeling out of place, rushed and disconnected.
The bath scene and the fight at the start make this episode one of the best. I think the rush in littlefinger scenes towards the end is intentional - it's meant to demonstrate how easily littlefinger gets information. I personally thought it was kind of funny.
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On April 30 2013 18:23 Geo.Rion wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2013 17:43 hns wrote:On April 30 2013 07:10 Ender985 wrote:On April 30 2013 02:56 armada[sb] wrote:On April 30 2013 02:26 TheFish7 wrote:
The creepy song that was sung at the closing credits was Patchface's song and dance about birds living under the ocean and shadows coming out to dance. I wonder if we'll meet patchface in the show and I wonder how significant he is going to be down the line in the books. I assumed, judging by the fact that Shireen was singing the songs, that patchface was cut. Yeah, I read it like another nod to the book readers, like when Cersei said to Tyrion "I had heard half your nose was cut off!". Never thought Patchface had any relevance in the books except for a bit of foreshadowing, and I thing Shireen may play some role at the wall in book 6, so it makes sense to introduce her and not him. In the show it's clear that she will be the one teaching Davos how to read, which is an ok change. Meh, I wanted Patchface in, just to see how creepy they'd make him :/ Also, I'd be somewhat disappointed if they just somewhat spoiler the non-importance of Patchface for the rest of the novels  Patchface as a character is obviously unimportant, however his prophetic songs and rhymes are important. Patchface being the actual embodiment of the great other is a silly idea. He might be his prophet/speaking pipe or w/e. But more likely just some prophetic songs Martin seen fit to give to a drowned half wit.
He could very well pose as a half-wit, his reactions to situation/characters certainly seem as if he perceived his surroundings quite well (plus being prophetic). Also, noone knows how he survived drowning... He might become more important later on. If so, he could be introduced in the show later on, they did that with other important characters as well (Ramsay/Reek, the Reeds etc).
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Zurich15365 Posts
On April 30 2013 18:46 ecstazy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2013 08:39 czylu wrote:On April 30 2013 04:00 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On April 30 2013 03:50 czylu wrote:
does some1 have a sinking feeling that when the RW comes, there will be some people who WON'T die? Edmure Tully? Who do you mean? i mean i don't think they're gonna kill off robb stark. I know the show is hinting it, but for some reason, I really think they're just gonna split from the books here. They stated in multiple interviews that they were really looking forward to this particular scene when they decided to film the show. I am certain they will show it similarly to the books (in fact that they might even kill Robb's wife in the series).
God I just hope they make this as brutal as possible. Something like:
Talisa murdered first (not sure how, strangling seems appropriate. She might be kept outside and Walder has her brought in dead / dying)
Robb sees this, freaks out, gets shot to pieces by crossbows
Crossbows rain down on all the Northeners
Doors open, Freys with axes come in and the gory massacre starts
Catelyn takes one of Walders sons, begs for Robb
Walder laughs at her, has Robb finished
Catelyn kills Walders son, gets her throat cut
--- cut to outside ---
Arya runs towards the castle, Sandor behind her. She looks back and just sees the axe swinging in at her head. Roll credits.
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Yes, Patchface may come later, maybe they find him on the shore or something...
If they need him in, they can get him in easily.
Now it would be just one more thing hidden from the viewer.
It's enough to say "hey btw there is the queen and the daughter of Stannis, how could I have not tell you about them"
They need the little princess to be a very lonely child, having a fool for her diminish the message they want to carry.
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On April 30 2013 19:18 zatic wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2013 18:46 ecstazy wrote:On April 30 2013 08:39 czylu wrote:On April 30 2013 04:00 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On April 30 2013 03:50 czylu wrote:
does some1 have a sinking feeling that when the RW comes, there will be some people who WON'T die? Edmure Tully? Who do you mean? i mean i don't think they're gonna kill off robb stark. I know the show is hinting it, but for some reason, I really think they're just gonna split from the books here. They stated in multiple interviews that they were really looking forward to this particular scene when they decided to film the show. I am certain they will show it similarly to the books (in fact that they might even kill Robb's wife in the series). God I just hope they make this as brutal as possible. Something like: Talisa murdered first (not sure how, strangling seems appropriate. She might be kept outside and Walder has her brought in dead / dying) Robb sees this, freaks out, gets shot to pieces by crossbows Crossbows rain down on all the Northeners Doors open, Freys with axes come in and the gory massacre starts Catelyn takes one of Walders sons, begs for Robb Walder laughs at her, has Robb finished Catelyn kills Walders son, gets her throat cut --- cut to outside --- Arya runs towards the castle, Sandor behind her. She looks back and just sees the axe swinging in at her head. Roll credits.
And most of that should be in slow-motion with no sound at all, while The Rains of Castamere by The National plays in the background.
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I hope we get a 'Jaime Lannister sends his regards'.
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On April 30 2013 19:18 zatic wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2013 18:46 ecstazy wrote:On April 30 2013 08:39 czylu wrote:On April 30 2013 04:00 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On April 30 2013 03:50 czylu wrote:
does some1 have a sinking feeling that when the RW comes, there will be some people who WON'T die? Edmure Tully? Who do you mean? i mean i don't think they're gonna kill off robb stark. I know the show is hinting it, but for some reason, I really think they're just gonna split from the books here. They stated in multiple interviews that they were really looking forward to this particular scene when they decided to film the show. I am certain they will show it similarly to the books (in fact that they might even kill Robb's wife in the series). God I just hope they make this as brutal as possible. Something like: Talisa murdered first (not sure how, strangling seems appropriate. She might be kept outside and Walder has her brought in dead / dying) Robb sees this, freaks out, gets shot to pieces by crossbows Crossbows rain down on all the Northeners Doors open, Freys with axes come in and the gory massacre starts Catelyn takes one of Walders sons, begs for Robb Walder laughs at her, has Robb finished Catelyn kills Walders son, gets her throat cut --- cut to outside --- Arya runs towards the castle, Sandor behind her. She looks back and just sees the axe swinging in at her head. Roll credits.
Robb just being shot to death by crossbows is boring. Needs some Roose in there.
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Zurich15365 Posts
Well he should be still alive when Catelyn takes her hostage, and then stabbed in the heart, just like in the books.
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Yeah, You need to have Smalljon and Greatjon doing their stuff.
Strangely and unexpectedly RW set back the balance.
Now it's the bad guys who's turn is to be in risk of betrayal.
Making it the same as with Joffrey...
When and how they will die.
Manderly has shown great potential for a sweet revenge.
I have also greater satisfaction, the older the fighter is.
Whoresbane could provide something awesome, Blackfish too...
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People claiming the red wedding wasn´t unexpected in the books, either i´m blind but i have to disagree a little bit. Sure you were a bit at unease when Robb walked into Freys homeground, was received poorly and his mother constantly reminded him to "eat his salt and bread" or whatever to be protected. But Robb himself was never worried which was re-assuring, then the feast started, everyone seemed to enjoy themselves and you sorta forgot about the whole thing. It's like a chapter/half a chapter of people having fun and then BAM Catlyn sees some people talking, grabs a hold of a frey knight and he´s wearing mail armor underneath his party clothes - and then shit hits the fan in a total clusterfuck of confusion. The thing is you could foresee the frey´s being up to something, but slaughtering EVERYONE? Not in a million years did i foresee that, Robb being captured or something sure, but every single man of his host annihiliated? Not so much.
I think i re-read the part where it all started like three times to be sure i was understanding it properly. I hope they can convey that same sort of total confusion as to what the fuck is going on, which i had when i read the book. But they have to bring some sort of hope that this will actually work because Robb is in a worse spot in the TV show then he was in the books, Karstarks being half his men and all.
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@unkkz:
About Robb thinking with his dick - I read somebodies position on that a while back (dunno where, might've been in this thread) that I kinda agree with:
- In the Series it is exactly that - he thinks Talisa is hot and that's why he breaks off the Engagement with the Freys
- In the Books, Jeyne "comforts" him when he is wounded and later on he marries her because it is the <b>honorable</b> thing to do in that situation;
This has very different connotations, because he was more or less forced into marrying Jeyne because of his concept of Honor.
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On April 30 2013 21:40 Lorizean wrote:
@unkkz:
About Robb thinking with his dick - I read somebodies position on that a while back (dunno where, might've been in this thread) that I kinda agree with:
- In the Series it is exactly that - he thinks Talisa is hot and that's why he breaks off the Engagement with the Freys
- In the Books, Jeyne "comforts" him when he is wounded and later on he marries her because it is the <b>honorable</b> thing to do in that situation;
This has very different connotations, because he was more or less forced into marrying Jeyne because of his concept of Honor.
Yes. But that is kind of a moot point, since by marrying her he breaks an oath hence his honor is gone. If he doesn't marry her he´s dishonored aswell. Just the option he chooses also has the pretty obvious effect of pissing off an important ally. And this ultimately leads to his demise and the entire war ends. It is clear to everyone around him but him, that marrying her was an idiotic thing, honor or not.
And him "comforting her" would be him thinking with his dick. Even if i editted that part out
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where is the red viper? is there any news of the casting for this character?
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I think Red Viper is Season 4 material for sure... Probably end of season 4.
Purple weddings -> tyrion troubles -> red viper arrives -> Dies 2 days later... Whoops.. that how it will be in the show. The viewer won't probably get introduced. We no nothing of the Dorne yet in the show.
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On April 30 2013 21:40 Lorizean wrote:
@unkkz:
About Robb thinking with his dick - I read somebodies position on that a while back (dunno where, might've been in this thread) that I kinda agree with:
- In the Series it is exactly that - he thinks Talisa is hot and that's why he breaks off the Engagement with the Freys
- In the Books, Jeyne "comforts" him when he is wounded and later on he marries her because it is the <b>honorable</b> thing to do in that situation;
This has very different connotations, because he was more or less forced into marrying Jeyne because of his concept of Honor.
His honor forced him to marry Jeyne, but it sure did not force him to be "comforted". I'm not saying that it was not understandable, but it was clearly the wrong and dishonarable thing to do. And he did it.
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I wonder how the Dornish will look in the series, since the people of Esteros have actors that look to be of middle eastern descent. I'm worried they might look too similar, i wonder how they will differentiate the two.
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On April 30 2013 23:16 unkkz wrote:
I wonder how the Dornish will look in the series, since the people of Esteros have actors that look to be of middle eastern descent. I'm worried they might look too similar, i wonder how they will differentiate the two.
I always imagined them to look somewhat like someone of Spanish/Latino descent, with their dark, black hair, slightly darker skin tone etc.
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On April 30 2013 19:18 zatic wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2013 18:46 ecstazy wrote:On April 30 2013 08:39 czylu wrote:On April 30 2013 04:00 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On April 30 2013 03:50 czylu wrote:
does some1 have a sinking feeling that when the RW comes, there will be some people who WON'T die? Edmure Tully? Who do you mean? i mean i don't think they're gonna kill off robb stark. I know the show is hinting it, but for some reason, I really think they're just gonna split from the books here. They stated in multiple interviews that they were really looking forward to this particular scene when they decided to film the show. I am certain they will show it similarly to the books (in fact that they might even kill Robb's wife in the series). God I just hope they make this as brutal as possible. Something like: Talisa murdered first (not sure how, strangling seems appropriate. She might be kept outside and Walder has her brought in dead / dying) Robb sees this, freaks out, gets shot to pieces by crossbows Crossbows rain down on all the Northeners Doors open, Freys with axes come in and the gory massacre starts Catelyn takes one of Walders sons, begs for Robb Walder laughs at her, has Robb finished Catelyn kills Walders son, gets her throat cut --- cut to outside --- Arya runs towards the castle, Sandor behind her. She looks back and just sees the axe swinging in at her head. Roll credits.
I don't remember where, but I've seen speculations that Jayne/Talisa might be pregnant and will resurface later with an heir to the Winterfel throne.. at any rate, I don't think they'll kill her off, there's no reason to. RW is bloody enough as it is. This is the first time I've realized that they significantly changed her character in the TV show.. seemed like a pointless alteration
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On May 01 2013 00:07 Quotidian wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2013 19:18 zatic wrote:On April 30 2013 18:46 ecstazy wrote:On April 30 2013 08:39 czylu wrote:On April 30 2013 04:00 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On April 30 2013 03:50 czylu wrote:
does some1 have a sinking feeling that when the RW comes, there will be some people who WON'T die? Edmure Tully? Who do you mean? i mean i don't think they're gonna kill off robb stark. I know the show is hinting it, but for some reason, I really think they're just gonna split from the books here. They stated in multiple interviews that they were really looking forward to this particular scene when they decided to film the show. I am certain they will show it similarly to the books (in fact that they might even kill Robb's wife in the series). God I just hope they make this as brutal as possible. Something like: Talisa murdered first (not sure how, strangling seems appropriate. She might be kept outside and Walder has her brought in dead / dying) Robb sees this, freaks out, gets shot to pieces by crossbows Crossbows rain down on all the Northeners Doors open, Freys with axes come in and the gory massacre starts Catelyn takes one of Walders sons, begs for Robb Walder laughs at her, has Robb finished Catelyn kills Walders son, gets her throat cut --- cut to outside --- Arya runs towards the castle, Sandor behind her. She looks back and just sees the axe swinging in at her head. Roll credits. I don't remember where, but I've seen speculations that Jayne/Talisa might be pregnant and will resurface later with an heir to the Winterfel throne.. at any rate, I don't think they'll kill her off, there's no reason to. RW is bloody enough as it is. This is the first time I've realized that they significantly changed her character in the TV show.. seemed like a pointless alteration
In the book Jeyne's uncle (I believe? the castellan of the Crag) had a deal with Tywin; there is the theory that she herself is a spy in the series and conspired with the Lannisters. Unlikely, but not entirely impossible imo. Either way, I doubt they'll kill her off.
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On April 30 2013 16:41 Dakkas wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2013 15:26 Odoakar wrote:
Was Selmy in the high council or not, can't remember...I would say yes, and that he lied to Jorah just to play with him a bit more. He is in the books, not in the show
Just because he wasn't on the small council doesn't mean he doesn't know. I think he knows and he's saving that card in case Jorah turns on him. Jorah seems kinda hostile towards Selmy so I wouldn't be surprised if that's how things went down.
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